So why do games like Battlefront and Overwatch get away with practically zero SP content but SFV was deemed a disaster for having an unfulfilling SP mode? Is there a bias in favor of games that are heavily marketed?
>>337355968
Because everyone knows shooters are made for multiplayer content and fighters are made to be played alone against the computer.
Because they couldn't whine about the multipalyer part considering they are too shit to play against other people.
With heavily marketed casual shit they at least have some fun.
>>337356175
Fighting games are meant to be played with others. SP content has always been an afterthought. Same with other MP-driven genres.
>>337355968
Fighting games are generally unpopular because they're not team based. SFV is considered a disaster because of numerous reasons, not just the lack of SP content.
>>337356357
Not him but you aren't very good at sarcasm are you?
>>337356175
Says an untalented shut in who will never amount to anything.
Both are new franchises thus aren't pressured into providing what their previous installment provided.overwatch also is providing it's content for free. Why are street fighter fags still trying to defending their turd of a sequel ?
>>337357068
>thus aren't pressured into providing what their previous installment provided
SF4 had even less SP content at launch, you ignorant motherfucker. Keep shilling Overwatch. I'm sure some retarded kids will buy it when TF2 already exists for free with more content.
Because casuals love Overwatch since it's brain dead but playing SF online actually forces you to learn.
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>>337357278
>SF4 had even less SP content at launch
This is completely false mviii
>>337357437
SF4 Arcade mode is inferior to SFV character story mode.
>>337357512
That's subjective, arcade mode is at least a challenge. Don't get me wrong V has taken a lot of shit from memelords who didn't even buy the game but vanilla 4 was still a better single player experience.
>>337355968
>OV have 21 starting characters with just one infinite gun and 3 abilities
>60$ on consoles
>everyone loves it, buys it, will get 9/10 user ratings everywhere
>SF5 had 16 several times more dephtfully detailed starting characters with shittons of moves/animations, with actual singleplayer content on the way in a few months
>60$ on consoles
>got a 3/10 user ratings for being a "half game" and not having any contant
it's like people are not biased at all
>>337357431
Chun is, yes. Dunno about Sakura though.
Biased cause my favorite character isn't in SF5 yet
>>337357967
The only reason casuals and reviewers give OW a pass and not SFV is because OW does not take skill to play online whereas a Shoryuken spamming scrub will get bodied in SFV over and over again.
Who cares keep posting Sakura.
>>337357997
Because in Overwatch you can suck and still have fun letting the rest of the team carry you.
In SF there's no chance of that and bads get scared away from online within a few games, and with no single player there's not much else to do apart from bitch about it online.
>>337355968
Shooters was overtaken by "normies", it was taken by people who never played videogames before so it was easy to please them with a minimal amount of content.
Fighting games, while still kind of popular, it has some key features that are liked by most of the people who like the genre. Removing these key features will drive away a lot of people, because not everyone that play fighting games has the eSport shitty mentality. Some people want to play the arcade mode for the story, some only want to play with friends and some people only like the competitive aspect too.
>>337359298
I wonder if you can even make a fighting game that is as forgiving to play as OW and other casual bait without bastardizing the game. Probably not even possible.
>>337355968
Battlefront didnt get away with it. it sold poorly
Overwatch is a new IP designed with multiplayer only so it's ok.
SF has always been an arcade game, which had a lacking story mode which consisted of fighting against 8-12 characters to get to the end, suddenly SFV doesnt even have that, instead you fight 3-4 rounds and thats the end of the story
>>337356874
>right in the kokoro
>>337357967
be salty bitch
>>337359840
rest assured Riot are working on that as we speak
>>337360082
>SF has always been an arcade game,
Yes? Do you think people played SF at the arcades against CPU?
>>337355968
Because Overwatch has gameplay.
Meanwhile all it takes for you to buy garbage is "whyfoos".
The problem here is your lack of standards.
>>337360532
>someone will reply seriously to this bait
>>337360594
>H-h-he made fun of the fact I'm a socially inept permavirgin weeaboo!
>It's just bait!
No, people just actually want to help you be free from your mental disease.
>>337359840
Wasn't Rising Thunder supposed to fill that niche?
You can make a fighting game with braindead combos and one button specials but top players with good understanding of spacing and fundamentals are always going to wreck casualfags. Unless you just make the game super random like Smash and no one want's that shit in real fighting games
>>337360594
he's half right
>>337360532
Overwatch is babby's first game compared to any fighting game, Blizzshill cocksuckers.
>>337360082
>Battlefront didnt get away with it. it sold poorly
Didn't they say just a few days ago that it sold 14m units?
>>337355968
Battlefront had legions of Star Wars fanboys that were willing and grateful to buy anything with the Star Wars label on it.
Overwatch has legions of Blizzard drones that are willing and grateful to buy anything with Blizzard's name on it.
And while Street Fight has its own fanboys, I don't believe them to be nearly as rabid and mindless as the previous two groups mentioned.
>>337360960
Fighting games have the potential for high skill ceilings, but only a very small percentage of people will hit that, none of which are on /v/.
The only reason /v/ casual fags ever touch fighting games is because of whyfoos.
Anyone who liked fighting games knew SFV was shit before it even hit the gate.
>>337361159
What's your CFN? Post it so I can floor your sorry Blizzard shill ass.
>>337359840
Smash Bros is pretty much that.
>>337359840
What about Smash?
Battlefront didn't.
Also Overwatch is being sold for $40 because it's multiplayer only. Capcom sold a half finished game for full price.
>>337361218
I think I made it clear that anyone with a head on their shoulders avoided SFV like the plague.
Clearly I won't be on your faggy network for a shit game I won't buy.
Normies just don't care about core gameplay, there's no way to get them excited about (crush) counter-only combos or armor on an EX move. Especially not in a 1-on-1 game. They want to run around in an arena with their friends using wacky characters they can post fan art of on Facebook.
A Power Stone-like game with enough players per match could probably be a huge success if it played its cards right.
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>>337361370
>I'm a huge fag that don't even know how to play the game but I'm going to spout shit anyways
t. Blizzshill cocksucker
>>337361370
Stick to Overwatch kiddo. I'm sure PRESS BUTTON TO WIN is the right amount of depth for you.
>>337360313
>Yes? Do you think people played SF at the arcades against CPU?
I did, many times, I also played the console version and played the CPU plenty of times and finsihed the game with multiple characters, that said I'm not one of the shitters complaining about SFV, but I do understand where they are coming from.
>>337361448
SFxT tried this. A lot of other fighting games tried this. A tag system where you and a buddy can switch characters. It didn't really catch on.
>>337355968
SFV was a disaster because it was an unfinished pile of shit with awful game mechanics
>>337361019
well shit, it does say that, guess most people stopped playing it and talking about it.
>>337361702
>implying you didn't have poor gangsta kids that their job was to drive people away so you can fight against the CPU in arcades.
>>337361317
>>337361348
>Smash
>fighting game
>>337361836
Honestly I just checked again and it sold 14m to retailers, not to consumers. Not sure on those numbers.
>>337356175
First post best post
all of /v/ btfo and they ignore it.
>>337355968
Battlefront got shit on that and general lack of content, what are you talking about?
>>337355968
>Game has been "simplified for a wider audience" aka casuals who just want to mash buttons
>Slow as shit movement and walk speed
>Huge floaty jumps with next to no horizontal range
>Tiny ranged normal's
>Tiny hitboxes on everything
>Normal's have a shitty priority system
>Throws are slow as shit with no range
>Links are gone and combos are now mashable
>Huge buffer window
>No close standing attacks
>No neutral jump attacks
>Dizzy making people fall out of combos
>Game is full of comeback mechanics desinged to "lower the effectivness of player skill"
>Only super can chip kill
>V-Trigger a huge universal buff you get as a rewarded for losing
>V-Reverasl a get out of jail free you are rewarded with for losing
>Receve less damage the less health you have
>Worst roster in a street fighter game to date fan favorites replaced with characters no one wanted like birdie and rmika
>Risk/Reward is skewed due to high damage from jump ins yet pitifully low damage on anti airs and how you can no longer get large damage punishes from a jab
>Huge amounts input lag
>Constant fps loss on ps4 and high end PC's
>Random input drops
>Dumbed down mechanics
>Top players already saying the game is casual garbage
>P2W
>Game literally released in an unfinished state
>Online doesn't work correctly
>No punishment for rage quitters
>lobbies that dont even work most of the time with no flags or ping
>error 40002
>>337361990
Who keeps posting this? How long has it been? It's not even real
>>337361916
Nah, back then I just beat the other guys till they didnt have more coins, so either they ended up waiting for me to finish playing or they left.
it also depended on the time of day, during lunch ours the local arcade didnt have much action going on.
>>337361990
>1.4 million sold
Stay mad autist
>>337357068
Uh free? Check again, bud
>>337362087
Literally everything in that post is real though, who are you trying to kid?
>>337357967
Its LITERALLY OK when Blizzard does it because Blizcucks are willing to damage control and pay what ever price Blizzard pulls out of their ass.
>>337362281
When are you going to stop posting it? Are you paid to post it? I hope for your sake that you are.
>>337361785
I don't think he meant tagging in, I think he meant a 8v8 type environment like in Anarchy Reigns. Even that one has entirely too much depth for normies to grasp, though.
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>>337361979
battlefront was shit on for this from the start, it even had a lot of those charts about what will be missing from the game
what I find suprising is that noone is complaining about how little content Overwatch has for the same price (at least on consoles). Maybe it's because it didn't had a prequel that had more content? Either way, people are dumb as hell if they are supporting overwatch while bashing sf5/bf for the lack of content.
>>337362092
Sorry I was meant to reply to the other anon.
What I tried to say, anyway, that arcade singleplayer made is a big core for fighting games. Not everything was multiplayer. I did enjoyed playing against other players (most of the time I lost) but I also enjoyed trying to kill the final boss too.
>>337362134
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>>337361805
MCMXCVII:
>hey man wanna play some SFA2?
>lol no look at those cartoon graphics that game has shit mechanics I'd rather spend my money on Madden 98
>>337361990
90% of the people are perfectly satisfied with the new gameplay and only bash the game for it's lack of content.
one fucking "top player" said that the game is "casual garbage" othervise the game breaks huge rekords with its tournament scene
the rest of your complaints either got fixed since the first few days or other games (like OW) that doesn't got shit on for them also have them
>>337359298
Oh so what your saying is Overwatch is for pussy beta faggots and SF is for people you are capable of holding conversations with. Got it.
>>337362389
Overwatch already has more maps than Battlefront did and 21 characters to choose from, it's also cheaper on PC.
anyway Overwatch is way more fun to play than Battlefront, wish I had not bought the damn thing (only reason I bought it was because friends were talking about playing it online together)
>>337363081
forgot to mention that all DLC in the future will be free as opposed to Battlefronts season pass bullshit
>>337362784
>hey man wanna play some SFA2?
>lolno its a broken unbalanced pile of shit
Fixed that for you
>>337360532
Are you seriously trying to pretend that Overwatch isn't pushing the shit out of its waifus? That's half the reason it's getting attention. Meanwhile, SFV was censoring its own "waifus" and the game only has 5 female characters.
Overwatch has extremely simplistic gameplay, even by FPS standards. ESPECIALLY if you want to compare it to SFV.
>>337357967
>OV
>new IP
>multiplayer only
If you don't like multiplayer only game you just avoid the game
>SF
>game that has more than 20 years
>pandering to the autistic EVO crowd
>incomplete game
>$60 and probably $120 for all the dlc characters
People that enjoyed previous games are not pleased by the new business model of the game.
It's not that hard to understand anon.
>>337362835
>90% of the people are perfectly satisfied with the new gameplay
Not even close
>>337363274
Not him but my local scene of 5 players (including me)
we all prefer SFV than Ultra and have completely abandoned ultra
100% satisfaction confirmed for my scene.
>>337363257
OW is still based on TF2, a completely free game. Difference is that everyone can play OW online since the game is intended for brain-dead monkeys. Whereas SF requires actual knowledge to play online without getting bodied in every match. That's the simple truth. OW treats retards like winners and SF treats retards like retards.
>>337363584
Not him but my local scene of 5 players (including me)
we all prefer Ultra than SFV and have completely abandoned SFV
100% dissatisfaction confirmed for my scene.
battlefront leveraged the star wars license to prop up an otherwise kinda shitty game
overwatch is not $60 like SFV was
>>337363728
>overwatch is not $60
On console it is.
>>337363637
Nothing that you posted invalidate what I just said.
Feel free to believe you are actually superior than others because you are better in a single videogame.
By the way I don't like Overwatch either, but it's obviously that OV is trying to achieve the multiplayer only crowd while SF failed to catch their own fanbase (except for the tryhards) and a game can't survive with just tryhards.
>>337363774
really? that's kinda funny.
then i offer an alternative suggestion:
people want to play overwatch, only people over the age of 25 and really closer to the age of 30 actually care at all about street fighter at all
>>337363637
both require skill, however in fighting games its 1 vs 1 so if you lack skill you get your shit pushed in.
on Overwatch, if you suck, you can still win YES but its going to be harder as the rest of the team has to pick up the slack for your uselesness. or simply you just lose cause the other team doesnt have a shit eating player like you.
>>337361975
>literally "pls respond"
>>337362380
>All those fake reviews
People are talking about SFV's problem as a 1v1 game as if it's unique to SFV.
Fighting games have just never been very popular since the mid-90s because the scene has gotten too strong. Losing in a fighting game is more frustrating because it's entirely your own fault you lost. Especially when it's some faceless nobody humiliating you online. Shit sucks.
Losing as a team means that your losses don't fall entirely on your head. Team losses don't start to get very frustrating until you're pretty high level, then it starts to become obvious when there's a retard dragging the whole team down. Until then it's pretty much all fun and games with little frustration.
But like, why is this dominating discussion? This has literally always been true, it's not a matter of SFV vs OW.
>>337364230
>fake reviews
SFV babies going full damage control
>>337355968
But battle bourne has single player content and Overwatch is 40 bucks or less and didn't promised anything besides the multiplayer.
>>337364530
I dropped the game because it felt so shallow, has the "meta" not changed at all? Is it still as simple as it was on release?
>>337356357
>>337356874
Literally so retarded, they can't sarcasm
>>337361924
Smash has you fighting as the main mechanic.
Whether it was intended to be played competitively or not is up to the developer and the players.
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>>337366254
It's random fun fightan like Powerstone is. Doesn't make it a bad game, but it's not a traditional fighting game for sure
>>337366862
I agree.
It still fits the category of fightan game, but even Sakurai said that he wants the game to be casual, and at least Smash 4 actually works pretty well that way.
>>337366862
I still a subgenre of the fighting games big genre.
imo I don't care about competitive Smash (that's for autistic kids) Smash is better played with friends
SFV focusing on multiplayer first is great because it forces people to use the game mechanics the way they're supposed to be used.
It's still hard for me to believe that in 20fucking16 niggas still want to fight a braindead CPU that reads your imputs with ungodly reactions. That shit isn't fun at all.
>can you make the CPU scared of you?
>can you use mind games on the CPU?
>can you become a better player by fighting a CPU that doesn't evolve it's style to counter yours?
Unless you're retardad then the answer is no.
>>337362380
>>337364642
but it did sell 1.4 million
which isn't bad for a game selling to the multiplayer crowd
Fighting games make the majority of their sale to casuals who only play for story or against CPU. That is why Mortal Kombat makes sales. A lot of people are too shy, nervous or unconfident to play against other humans mostly because they feel they can't perform as well.
That is why games like Overwatch or Battlefront also get a lot of flack. A lot of players want single player campaigns or solo mode. They also judge the value of these games based on single player content. A game worth 60 dollars in the mind of a casual-solo player should have a 8-10 hour campaign or solo play. Yet weirdly a game that has 100's of hours worth of multiplayer is deemed overpriced at 40-60.
>>337363181
Sorry your SFIV jab-jab-throw bullshit doesn't work in the older games.
>>337366862
Smash is actually a decent "gateway" fighting game. So it's a good way for casuals to get used to the idea of fighting games.
>>337367339
Speaking of CPU, they really need to be able to program CPU that actually react human. That is
>punish your shoryuken spams
>attempt to trick you with whiffed throws
>read your game and slowly adapt after it
It's probably much eaiser said than done but to me any SP content is useless when I know the CPU simply isn't acting human. Even in bot matches in FPS games, there is a basic resemblance. In fighting games, the AI actually feels like a cheating robot. Until they fix the AI issues, there is no real point to SP content in fighting games.
Kind of off topic but as some one who doesn't really play multiplayer FPS much, will it be easy to jump in day one on Overwatch and still hold my own?
I really only play fighting games for multiplayer but the art style and non stop threads on /v/ have got me kind of interested
>>337368506
Are you retarded tick throws are far stronger in older games than in SF4, ST is even know for its BS throw loops, you underage little faggot.
>>337368886
Overwatch is babby's first FPS. Seriously.
Sometimes you don't even hit the characters with your gun and they die anyway because the hitboxes are huge in this game.
There is a character that his special is that his bullet will not miss, even if you hit the ground.
>>337368886
You fell for the shilling. Well the game is intended for brain-dead kids so sure go ahead. You get an ultimate attack as time goes on so everyone gets their special little moment in the spotlight.
>>337369354
>even if you hit the ground.
I knew i forgot to test something before the beta closed. Owel.
>>337361990
>P2W
how? every character is free at the moment
When's Sakura
>>337357967
>the only content is the amount of characters
wew lad
Overwatch has numerous maps and game modes and all SF stages essentially play the same.
How exactly did Battlefront "get away with it"? It has scores comparable to SFV and
>>337373314
It has scores comparable to SFV and is criticized on most forums*
>>337371759
Why even want her, Capcom already ruined Karin and they'll ruin her too.
>>337372991
>stages
>2D fighter
They always been just backgrounds, who gives a shit
>>337374003
Exactly, so only comparing characters is absolutely retarded.
>>337373985
What's wrong with Karin?
>>337374239
Each character in SF has more depth than the entire cast of OW put together. It's that simple. It takes hundreds and thousands of hours to properly master a character in SF.
>>337374718
>It takes hundreds and thousands of hours
But no one is that autistic to play hundreds and thousands of hours to play with the same character
>>337355968
All of them are MP oriented and that's ok.
I still can't understand why people cares about SF single player content so much. A cinematic story mode such as the one from Xrd is a nice plus (although not really necessary), but stuff like arcade mode is completely irrelevant. Specially when the game lacks an arcade version to begin with.
SFV has other stuff to be hated for, though. And maybe Overwatch too, but since I don't play FPS that much I personally don't care.
>>337375026
Why not? I've spent a few hundred hours on SFV already and I don't regret it. Is this the new ADD generation that gets tired of a game a few hours in and instantly demand new shit? Learning a character can take a lot of time, especially considering all the various match-ups and so on.
>>337373985
Karin's fine in this game, in fact if it wasn't for her I would have probably dropped this game long ago since she's the only character I enjoy playing as
>>337355968
Because nobody gives a fuck about SP in shooters
Nearly every casual playing fighter games only cares about the SP
>>337374718
And there's more to the game than just it's characters.
>>337375307
Karin is tricky as fuck. I regard both her and Chun-Li to be really tricky to play.
>>337356175
My nigga
>>337375659
I'm pretty good with most of her stuff execution wise, it's just canceling her jabs and cr.MK into instant Tenkos that I have trouble with.
I hope Ibuki and Juri will both be tough characters to play too
>>337363637
The
>simple truth
is, no game rewards you for not knowing how to play it. Shooters have an equivalent of "getting bodied" that you don't comprehend.
>>337374718
> It takes hundreds and thousands of hours to properly master a character in SF
>>337376890
But if you're a bad player in a great party who can just help the dominating team mop up the opposition, then you are going to get at least some fun from the game
>>337377934
A bad player in a FG presumably finds a rank where they win some as well.
>>337377486
He's right
>>337366397
this
if smash wants to be like a fighter they at least can do 1 life per fight to simulate a round, otherwise its nothing like a fighter and i've been saying this shit for a good fucking decade now
>>337363637
Why is she all worried while holding the phone? Did she saw something troublesome while answering the phone?
>>337378631
not when you can be matched with people with higher rank than you, like SFV
>>337366254
Dark Souls has you fighting as the main mechanic
>>337381179
you've never played Darkstalkers, Injustice, or any other game with a "stock" system, I take it?
>>337384314
no, i have, its just those are a bit offbeat but still in the vein with a 99 sec timer and same amount of health in the bar. there is a reason those aren't played anymore.
>>337355968
Street Fighter V was a disaster because they neglected to include Sakura in the roster
>>337384829
Darkstalkers isn't played anymore because it's like 20 years old.
Injustice isn't played anymore because Netherealms only supports one game at a time, and they moved on to MKX, just as Injustice replaced MK9.
It has nothing to do with the way they handled rounds.
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>>337371759
You unlock her after defeating Sheng Long and beating the arcade mode with 3 perfects and never losing a match.
>>337385394
Shenlong is in SFV?
>>337385648
yeah, he's right next to the Arcade mode!
>>337375238
Congrats, youre an autist and problaby a pathetic virgin as well. Enjoy wasting your time on a shitty game while i go fuck your mom
>>337385256
GET
>>337386660
>insulting someone who posted 2 hours ago
It certainly took you long enough to come up with that hot comeback, I hope your brain didn't hurt you or anything.
>>337388478
Not as much as your moms puss:^)
>>337385256
Scrub Sakuras always use her Ultra 2. It's only really useful in a few match ups.
Ultra 1 does ridiculous damage and is not much harder to set up than 2
>>337389605Is Chris_G a scrub?
>>337390729
Compared to the other top Sakura players? Yes
>>337391118
What other top sakura players?
>>337355968
SFV was full price
>>337376564
Plink the input.
Cause SFV is shit when it comes to online
I matchmake with 11 other people in Overwatch faster than it takes for me to get a single person in SFV
>>337385256
>haven't played any 3-D street fighter games
>last SF played was Alpha 3
Call me shit but how different is it to play these games in 3-D? Do they handle more "clunky"?
>>337392302
Probably him.
>>337356261
I'm genuinely wondering if you are referring to Street Fighter or Battlefield, because both fit the description of "heavily marketed casual shit" pretty well.
>>337392302
Uryu for one, Juso is another. Fruit (a Middle Eastern player) is also much better imo.
Chris relies to much on random ex srk fadc, and his loops are pretty basic. He also starts playing very scrappy when under pressure
>>337355968
>Is there a bias in favor of games that are heavily marketed?
Yes, /v/ is 90% gullible underage mustard race. For reference watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz3wZKbb0Pc
>>337393316
Without taking in considerations A3's infinites, SF4 has slower movement and connecting combos is a bit harder.
I feel like A2/3 have more natural and fluid movement, while SF4 needs you to be more meticulate.
Although that Sakura player was trash and would have get bodied regardless of main or game.
>>337394251
Not him, but thanks, I'll check them out.
>tfw SFV is a casualised,, braindead, broken piece of shit
>tfw reviews and casuals dont even shit on it for the right reasons
You just gotta accept that people will never understand the genre at all at some point.
>>337355968
People pitched a fit for Battlefront because it removed content it had in previous versions.
Overwatch isnt causing trouble because it's a new IP with no previous expectations.
People were pissed off at SFV because it removed content that's present in pretty much every game that came before it.
So, in conclusion, removing content from IPs is bad from a consumer standpoint.
>>337394870
This is a good analysis.
SFIV is a much more analytical and careful game, whether or not you prefer this is up to the player.
I remember a quote from a Japanese player talking about how SFIV required a lot more risk management and careful play than other games, I think he used VF as the comparison.
>>337392837
Not the same guy, but also a filthy 16er who struggles at getting good. While plinking helps, the different intervals between raw tenkos and cancelling from light, medium and heavy attacks fucks me over to no end.
Also, I'm terrified of Bison. I know he's a pushover once you learn to fight him, but good players seem to have a relentless offence.
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>>337392837
Why would plinking even be a thing?
If it's too hard, just call the bullshit where it is.
In 3D fighters combos are done the normal way.
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>>337376564
>Cant hit a 3f window
lmaooooooooo
I'll never understand why SF fans think their game is overly complex or hard to understand.
You realize a huge majority of the FGC are retarded babies who can't handle fireballs and anti airs, and prefer to indulge their time in twitch memes?
Fighting games, Street Fighter especially is extremely simple to get into, I'd say even more so than FPS' like Quake or UT.
