ITT vidya tropes we all hate.
>the church is the bad guys
>>337344416
This so much
Pretty sure that pic is BS by all texts.
>>337344416
Every time, without fail.
But what can we expect. It's a medium made by atheist autists for other atheist fedoras.
>>337344416
Hello SPOTTED the american bible thumper
>>337344416
>the main antagonist turns out to be a pawn and joins forces with the protagonist to defeat THE REAL enemy
>>337344416
>japanese game
>god is bad
This is why weeb trash will always be reddit bait
>>337344416
>hate
>>337345458
>>337345368
retard phoneposters
>Any RPG
>Church is introduced
>The Pope is a bit of a dick
>He's probably allied with the main villain because he thinks he can be come more powerful and the main villain will turn on him later
>Turns out he's just a bit of a dick and nothing more
>He's also one of the greatest Popes they ever had
>you must complete a minigame to proceed
yeah this thread will be video games
>>337344416
I don't hate that.
Your thread is shit.
>>337345543
>implying that an all seeing dictator isn't bad
inb4 le fedora maymay.
>>337345410
It's not btfo by the text that matters.
>>337344416
heres one I want to see: Church is bad, God is good and the player is tasked by God to find out a way to fix the Church.
>Weapons/armour deteriorate and you need to pay money to repair them
Boring tedious bullshit, it's the one thing Skyrim did right by getting rid of that shit
>>337345763
Hm?
>>337344416
FFX did this the worst out of any game.
>>337345767
Grandia 2.
Next.
>>337345809
This was, to a very loose extent, the plot of FFX. In that the spirits that summoned most of the Aeons were good and just wanted to rest, while the church itself was corrupt and keeping the world fucked to stay in power and because "lol we dont know what to do."
>>337345762
>dictator
>>337344416
Depends on what you call the church? The thing you preach? Yeah, not true. Do a miracle to prove me wrong.
The bible: The devil hates you!
The bible: Love your enemies, let yourself be smacked in the face and turn the other cheek. Try dying a virgin, your sexuality is evil.
Yeah, a manipulated book from satan, so yes, churches like the catholic one are evil IRL.
>>337345634
How would you know?
>>337345809
An economy is fun, especially in a multiplayer game where playing more is thus rewarded.
>>337344416
do you remember you history classes anon?
church hasn't always been good. not by our standars at least.
maybe they are taking inspiration by that?
>>337346130
>If you don't do what I say, when I say, in the order that I say, I will punish you for all eternity
Sounds like a dictator to me, bro.
>>337346281
>dictatorships are bad
epic
>>337344416IF YOU KILL HIM YOU'LL BE NO BETTER THAN THEM
>>337344416
>Claim to be monotheistic
>Clearly worship three gods
>Also worship the mother of God BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE WE SAY SO
Sometimes it works. Ahem...Dead Space.
>>337346232
>capitalized
>no period
>>337346281
>it's to his creator that he will stand or fall, and he will stand, for God can make him stand
Sounds like you've been listening to the wrong translations.
Doesn't Dragon Quest do the opposite? It's been a while since I played a DQ game.
>>337344416
I'm pretty okay with vidya churches being evil/shitty.
Its really just a different flavor of 'bad guy organization' where they get to design some kickass angels and shit for late game enemies, and they can slap in a bunch of symbolism, just cause.
That said, I'm cool with vidya churches being good and helpful as well.
>>337346170
>Try dying a virgin, your sexuality is evil.
Actually, this is not related to what was written in Bible at all.
The whole anti-sexuality, hell, anti-body approach was introduced by certain Greek philosophy movements. In fact, many aspects of current Christian (or just Catholic) faith was incorporated from other cultures.
The more you know...
>>337346170
Here's my story.
>See evidence that there's a God.
>That same night have a dream where I ascend to heaven and get a glimpse of the fires and shrieks of pain of hell.
>start searching religions and shit
>first go eastern religions
>it goes horrible, I am declared insane even
>Go bible way
>Still horrible, shit gets really fucked up
>ask jesusbois to take the demon I had out of me
>n-no you're insane, go to the psychiatrist (no lay on hands, no demon casting out)
>Decide that since according to the bible the law has been modified, the names of both the Christ and God have been replaced and so their commandments, since this would be obvious
>Decide that since I do not know the law I am free of sin according to the bible itself and common sense, you cannot impute a law to those you haven't given it.
>Decide that it is better to ask God for some of His elect to come and preach and prove their words to me
>wait 'n pray
>start feeling better, more confident, again start enjoying vidya, get many and better vidya, a new gaming device is on its way as I type this
>suddenly the people who hated me and declared me insane are "threatening" me with declaring me sane so I no longer get some shitty 300 monthly euro neetbux.
>Apparently being declared sane is now bad
Loving every laugh.
>Liberal ideals are good
>conservative ideals are bad
Even video games are spreading their Marxist and libtard propaganda now.
>>337345667
>He's probably allied with the main villain because he thinks he can be come more powerful and the main villain will turn on him later
>he thinks he can be come more powerful
>be come
Ok.
>>337346313
Typically, yes. They are.
Statistically, the evidence is against you. What even is your argument here? Does God somehow offer work to your poor, or fund science/education programs?
I literally don't understand. What good has he done?
>>337346343
>Be any denomination of Christian but Catholic
>Get butthurt about the church is evil trope
ironknee.jpg
>>337345543
>>337345456
Have you even read the Old Testament? Yahweh is clearly the villain and the biggest douchebag ever.
They usually only depict God as evil when it's inspired in the christian God.
And before you start putting hats on my head, I'm not even atheist.
>>337346378
How do you determine which translation is correct?
I mean, they're all translations of the same text at the end of the day, right?
nice video games guys
>>337346170
>jumping to conclusions about a verse "being fulfilled" before it was even written
>medieval fantasy is the most popular setting
>Church is the bad guys
I WONDER WHY.
>>337346548
>Does God somehow offer work to your poor, or fund science/education programs
nah bro communism is evil and god is good
>>337344416
>American tolkien fantasy
>ancient evil awakens
>>337346613
By translations, that's supposed to suggest whatever the fuck actually says that, because the Bible doesn't -- it says what was greentext.
>>337346343
>>Claim to be monotheistic
Yep. Checks out.
>>Clearly worship three gods
Okay he doesn't understand how this works.
>>Also worship the mother of God BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE WE SAY SO
Oh he's talking about Catholics. Kek.
>>337344416
>Character giving you information and mission objectives over radio
This needs to fuck off entirely and i'd be happy if I never saw it in a game ever again
I don't mind religion being the bad guy, but the plot to them is so simple. It's basically hurr we kill people so we're bad. I'm like so what? Plenty of people kill shitters that doesn't mean they're bad.
If anything video games should just explore the aspect of different religions and point out their bullshit like Christiany. I mean, fuck that shit you can be an evil douche your entire life and at the last minute on your death bed you can ask God for forgiveness and everything is cool and you get into Heaven.
Not saying any other religions are better. Islam is a very terrible religion and is really a cult than a religion that is based on punishment.
>>337346548
How about creating all of the simple stuff that would provide money to literally any demographic that got into something.. entertainment, drugs, science, etc.
> can't jump unless your prompted to at the ledge. Not all ledges.
>>337346681
Ah yes, because the book that contradicts itself even from version to version not to mention internally is totally evidencing that it has never been edited.
Do a miracle, since you claim this is true.
>>337346485
See this? You know when I decided to explore this way? It came to my head the moment I was more desperate and most desiring of death to end this shit already and prayed to God insistently.
Actually, is there even a game that depicts any organized religion as something positive?
Except Civilization series, but this hardly count, as the player decide on his/her own.
>>337346795
>douche and last minute ask for forgiveness
See >>337346378
We probably shouldn't judge.
From Buddhism, "Joshu asked Nansen, 'What is Tao?' Nansen answered, 'Ordinary mind is the Tao.'
'Then should we direct ourselves towards it or not?' asked Joshu.
'If you try to direct yourself towards it, you go away from it', answered Nansen.
Joshu continued, 'If we do not try, how can we know it is the Tao?'
Nansen replied, "Tao does not belong to knowing or not knowing. Knowing is illusion, not knowing is blankness. If you really attain the Tao of no doubt, it is like the great void, so vast and boundless. How then, can there be right and wrong in the Tao?'"
Hello there good friends, did someone say God?
>>337346681
Also your excuse is very shitty, God knows the future.
How are you then claiming that a book allegedly written by the spirit of God wouldn't know the future?
Take good note how these faggots lie.
>>337344416
>Fantasy game
>The entire world is in danger.
>The fate of everything is in the balance.
>"Should we send the our armies against this threat my lord?"
>"Nah, that group of kids over there can do it"
Every fucking time.
>>337346170
The Holy Trinity was created by philosophers long after the establishment of the church and Jesus' death. The Holy Trinity does not appear in the bible and should not be believed.
>>337347085
In Japan you lose power as you grow old
Hence why the old veteran in every JRPG party is like 33
>>337347093
Neither should Jesus, do a miracle in his name so that we may believe this is true.
This is simple: Followers of God can and will do the most astounding miracles.
But jesusbois can't
Antichrist confirmed.
>>337344416
>we all hate
fuck the church
>>337347038
Castlevania. Sometimes.
>>337347009
>that it has never been edited
What a backpedal.
If you require a miracle, you realize nothing about faith.
>implying the catholic church wasn't a hive of villainy and sin in the middle ages
>>337344416
>we all hate.
Sorry anon but I actually hate the church. A Catholic Priest molested me when I was a little kid.
>>337345767
WH40k would benefit of someone made game based on this scheme.
not so much a trope, but
>world in danger
>villagers and leaders well aware that shit is totally serious and only you, the hero, can save them
>go to merchant/inn
>"that'll be $3.50"
I understand games will be games, but don't write the story like some end of days shit, only to have vendors and inn keepers still charging ME for their services and wares.
>>337347093
Is it not like there was added additional sentence about that in "King James Version", the same that most researchers reject?
When exactly the Trinity concept was established and why?
I sometimes study various religions and movements in free time, this is quite interesting.
>>337346343
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? The bible says not to worship idols or any other above god. God is the only god. the Holy Trinity, saints and the worship of Mary are expressly forbidden by the bible.
>>337346548
Stop talking like god should be an human being in the first place, that may help you understand you fucking faggot
>rival/villain joins you
>less powerful/competent than before
>>337347084
The claim is that the verse was fulfilled by what is, in the discussion, potentially God. Yet, "a house divided against itself cannot stand." So, where does that set the conversation?
It's complete drivel. The verse itself is future tense.
>>337347093
>>337347346
It says the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the LORD.
On what bases is your argument?
>>337344416
>Legendary sword used to kill the gods themselves.
>"I'll give you 20 gold for it"
>>337347231
Come to think of it, I guess that some games from "Tales of.." series could also count.
I was also considering first Disgaea to count too, but thats my personal opinion.
>>337346795
>and at the last minute on your death bed you can ask God for forgiveness and everything is cool and you get into Heaven.
Except trying to be a cheeky cunt doesn't work, you have to actually regret what you have done in the first place.
Why people ignore that part is beyond me.
>>337344416
>tfw fedorafags ruined the reputation of atheism
>tfw can't call out retarded godfags without being mocked
>>337347261
>If you require a miracle, you realize nothing about faith
Faith is trust, trust is for those that show themselves trustworthy, your very bible claims teh world is full of demons and you certainly aren't God to demand faith of me.
So yes, if some idiot comes to me telling me that he comes from God, he better be ready to prove it, because last I checked, going with the wrong God is something that the true one would not approve.
And here you are demanding faith on very evident lies.
Jesuits rule, all others drool.
OP here.
Check out my other thread guys.
>>337347674
>>337347674
>>337347674
>>337347674
>>337347674
>>337347674
>>337346343
So every time Zeus turned himself into some animal he became a new god?
God, you're retarded.
>>337346548
The Church was THE BIGGEST funder of art, science and technology for hundreds of years. They provided food and shelter for the poor and for the longest time they were the only ones that could actually read. Monastic orders spent their entire lives writing books on history, science and art.
It's only after the invention of the printing press that books and reading became common place. Before that it was a massively expensive and time consuming effort to write even one book. Try reading some history instead of tipping your fedora all the time.
>>337346767
>>337347350
explain a little bit will ya? so who the fuck is god among that three?
>>337346586
>Have you even read the Old Testament? Yahweh is clearly the villain and the biggest douchebag ever.
Not at all. Besides, if he makes the world and he sets the rules he can react how he wants when nobody follows them.
>>337347542
>>337347064
You can half ass it. Oh I feel bad about this, but this part I don't regret because it was ok.
>>337347763
>The Church was THE BIGGEST funder of art, science and technology for hundreds of years. They provided food and shelter for the poor and for the longest time they were the only ones that could actually read. Monastic orders spent their entire lives writing books on history, science and art.
Oh look, there's actually educated people on /v/.
There's still hope.
>>337347762
Greeks never claimed to base their whole religion on the number of Gods they had, so that's irrelevant.
>>337347337
>Oblivion, the Shivering Isles expansion.
>Finally become the lord of the isles, master of this reality and may or may not actually be the old Shaggy itself.
>the nigger guards still wont allow you into your space cocaine dungeon and demand a bribe if they'll ever catch you sneaking in.
>>337347476
I can only recall fragments about Father and Son being the one.
Few years ago 4chan is full of atheists, now it's all christfags. What happened?
>>337347782
You can't explain the Holy Trinity clearly because it's one of the Holy Mysteries. They're all God but they're also different entities.
If you read TES lore, just pretend those three Mantled into a single being.
>>337347782
They're all God because they're all distinct yet the same being.
>>337347084
>God gave people free wil
>God knows the future, and thus we have no free will since it is known what will happen
Pick one.
Bottom implies god = dictator
>>337347710
>>337347782
And how can you separate the level of trust of a believer from the level of trust from the watcher? "God is one. I am the vine. You are the branches." From Bhuddism, "Emptiness here, emptiness there, but the infinite universe stands always before your eyes. Infinitely large and infinitely small; no difference, for definitions have vanished and no boundaries are seen." If there is no true boundary between the believer and the watcher? Even Jesus was described as "not being able to do miracles because they didn't believe". "With man, nothing is possible; but with God, all things are possible."
>>337346343
The father son and holy spirit are considered to be three facets of the same entity. You got me on the Mary thing though. Even when I was catholic I didn't understand it.
>>337347782
>explain a little bit will ya? so who the fuck is god among that three?
Easy, slightly cheeky answer?
Yes.
The idea is that God is all knowing and all present and all powerful. He can literally be anything and everything and all things and every potential iteration of everything just listed in an infinite number of universe. Also he is the universe(s).
The Trinity is an interpretation of a few characters in the Bible (being overly simple here) as being an aspect of God. It uses some basic logic to connect various dots that may or may not actually be connected to do so. It isn't overtly stated ever, but there is compelling enough language to leave the impression.
If this is still difficult to process on a conceptual level, just think of The Trinity as avatars. Jesus was God's MMO character on Earth.
>>337346170
>a manipulated book from satan
I actually like this idea. Either Lucifer fucked up the original Bible and turned it into was it is now, or Yahweh was the asshole from the start and Lucifer tried to warn us.
Phillip K Dick speculated about this in VALIS, saying that our concept of christian God could be an illusion created by a lesser God (perhaps a demiurge) and that the real one is still unknown to us or simply forgotten.
And I mean, if you think about it, why would God need the worship of infinitely inferior beings like us? Some of the christian values may be noble, but it's so childish and insecure of him, that he could hardly be considered a God at all.
Even if God (not necesarily the christian one) were to exist, why should we worship him at all, really?
>>337347763
>The Church was THE BIGGEST funder of art, science and technology for hundreds of years.
There is related thing that keeps to bug me and nobody yet gave me answer - why they stopped?
Monasteries used to be sanctuaries of knowledge. What made them stop?
>>337347350
>saints and the worship of Mary are expressly forbidden by the bible.
And yet people do worship her.
>>337344416
the only game i remember doing this in a good way (by making everyone in the church batshit insane and out to kill you from the start) was dead space
>>337348115
If you go into the future and find out about how you'll become an even bigger faggot does that prove that free will doesn't exist? Or is there still time to change your ways?Well, maybe not for you specifically.
>>337348185
The Mary cult is retarded as fuck.
T. Catholic
>>337347275
Post greentext/picsoriginalbloxblox
>>337346343
>catholics
>are christians
Pick one.
>>337347093
The Trinity is garbage anyway. It's the most plebeian-tier "mystery" that's not only boring, but also nonsensical and inconsistent even by theological standards.
If you want to read nonsense, you can at least have it be interesting. Judeo-Christian mysticism has so much more to it.
>>337348046
contrarianism, /pol/, newfags
>>337348221
The world finally caught up and took the lead in the fields of science and culture. But we'll have to give the Church the credit for what they've done, both good and bad.
>>337348030
"The Lord is Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."
>>337348115
Time is not a line. It is a block. There is no future or past. Just your linear perception of a blob. God knows all infinite outcomes of every permutation of your existence. He accepts each and every You that accepts him.
>>337347931
>You can half ass it.
God will know if you half ass it and he'll tell you that you can't outsmart him and oh look you don't get into Heaven after all.
>>337347346
The Holy Trinity appears in the late second century and was not even widely accepted. Even today many Christians don't accept the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.
The idea of the Holy Trinity follows the idea that god is all knowing, all seeing and all powerful. Thus god is the father of Jesus, the Son and the Holy Spirit is all around us.
The idea of the Son being god is debunked and not supported by the bible itself. If Jesus is a manifestation of God then so is everything. We are his children as well so according to the Holy Trinity we would also be divine.
This begs the question: Why would the Father be a different manifestation of his will? In truth, it wouldn't as God is God, and there is only one god. Why even have a separate instance of the Father?
This also brings the Holy Spirit into question since if God is simply God and is all knowing and all powerful why not simply do away with this idea and stick to the idea of God?
The Holy Trinity does not appear in scripture and is post bible philosophical bullshit.
>>337348337
Gnosticism is pretty fascinating too.
>>337347082
Who might this handsome, trustworthy creature be?
Do any of you sons of man in this thread know? I am interested.
>>337348000
I'm just phrasing it in a way you are likely to understand since everyone loves greek myths.
>>337347337
>every inn in the first game is free and you're the hero of the country it takes place in
>sequel happens in a different country where you're barely known, and you must pay for inns this time
>>337346586
Yes, that's what you get when the devil rewrites the bible. The people that claim to be doing what is allegedly supposed to be done aren't doing miracles simply and plainly because they aren't doing nor preaching what God commanded.
Just think about it, the devil hates mankind.
Result? A bible that proclaims God hates your sexuality. A bible that even claims that God hated people who ate pigs in the beginning. A bible that tells you that you should try dying a virgin and poor giving all your stuff away. A bible that tells you something as unnatural as loving your enemies (and it does this after telling you that most of the world is populated by demons).
Very clearly that bible is telling you to love demons.
>>337348115
>I know you will buy bread
>fucking hell, I am now forbidden of freedom, can't even buy bread in peace.
Oh wow such retarded argument.
>>337348179
If with God all things are possible, and I have witnessed both miracles and shit without having any particular faith because at that time I was atheist... aren't you the one that lies demanding faith on something you cannot prove?
>>337348205
No, you don't like that idea, you like your own idea.
God wants worship and love because of a very simple reason: Dude, I'm your father, look at what I'm giving and gonna give you, aren't you fucking happy?
Here are the extents to what they will reach in order to keep you away from God.
Btw, real insistent the people of this thread on jesus when they can't do miracles for shit in his name. Wasn't the world populated by sons of the devil?
>>337348464
>The idea of the Son being god is debunked and not supported by the bible itself.
Yeah?
>Get asked who you are.
>Quote The Father at creation.
>Get nailed to the cross for blasphemy.
Yeah, Jesus probably meant nothing by "I am."
>>337348205
"The greatest wisdom seems the most childish."
Christians on 4chan are all whackjobs. Especially the ones on /his/.
Although this isn't really fair, it's just that the reasonable ones are quiet, cause in reality noone sane cares about belief.
>>337348335
>believe in Christ
>Christians
what's the problem here?
>>337348179
You just used a lot of words to explain nothing
Can you name a game where the church is good?Other than TES, hahaha, took that one away from you, take that faggot
>>337348195
>>337347782
Jesus was not his physical avatar on Earth, Jesus was his son. You can clearly see this because in his death Jesus asked why God had forsaken him.
If Jesus is God's avatar then so are we as Humanity was made in God's image and we are his first children. Humans are not God. Worshiping Jesus as a manifestation of God is idolatry and is blasphemy.
There is no Trinity, there is only God.
>>337348445
You can half ass it because you can claim what the bad thing you did was a good thing in the grand scheme.
You know, like poor and stupid parents giving birth to their kids in a bad neighborhood and a terrible school. The parent can just say some dumb like I did the best I can or I expected my kid to carry on my legacy and accomplish the things I couldn't even though I gave my kid pretty much zero chance at life.
>>337348558
Also doesn't fit because God doesn't "change forms" between the three aspects of the trinity. He is all three simultaneously, and is never Jesus at one time then the Father at another, which is what the Zeus analogy would suggest. Zeus was never an animal and his "normal" self at the same time.
>>337348567
>I have witnessed miracles
What, then, and why ask for more?
Again, it's a request without an understanding of faith or the Word.
The mental gymnastics here are ludicrous. Pls stop posting.
Why does /v/ pretend that god is real and religion is good?
Honest question.
>>337348736
my guess is because the ones that do pretend god is real never bothered to question otherwise
>>337348710
>is never Jesus at one time then the Father at another, which is what the Zeus analogy would suggest
Wanna try that one again, champ?
>>337348046
Counter-counter culture is the new counter culture
>>337348228
>>337348185
You're not suppose to worship Mary and the saints. They're just in prayers as a sort of "hey mary you so hot as fuck, tell jesus i love him so he gives me ten grand" or "hey saint nigger, you're the saint of cars, explain to jesus how the ignition works so he can do his miracles on my car" kind of shit
that's what I remember anyway
it's probably wrong
>>337348221
Nothing made them stop, Monastic orders still safeguard knowledge. There are fortress monastaries in the Mediterranean right now that have vast libraries. Hell, the Vatican is a large library in and of itself.
The printing press just made books easy to mass produce. It didn't take months to make books anymore and it made books more affordable so a larger number of people had access to them.
>>337348567
>Everything bad is the Devil's fault
>God is gud boi, he dindu nuffin
>>337348221
Society changed. It's all about humanitarian aid now.
>>337346756
Sure but in general, how do you know what translation of the bible to follow?
>>337348860
No need when I got it right the first time.
>>337348221
Nothing's suggested they have stopped. We don't check the belief of every scientist.
>>337348337
There's really no inconsistency about it. The key comes by realizing that everything is without a true boundary. "With God, all things are possible." If we are the branches to the Vine, then maybe God could be described as Jesus plus his followers. "The Father is greater than me.. I am in Him and He in Me."
>>337348736
Cause otherwise they'd be le defora tippers.
>>337347346
Trinity comes from the idea that God is much, much higher than us, to the point his real form cannot be understood at all, even by the imagination.
The Trinity represents God in three aspects:
>the Father: the entity we cannot see or experience, all-seeing, all-judging, distant
>the Son: Jesus Christ, God made man, who taught everything we needed to know from God
>the Holy Spirit: the spirit of prophecy, but really anything that links us to God. YHWH as experienced by the prophets is the Holy Spirit for example.
It is one big paradox - Jesus is God, the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but they are different & distinct entities (Jesus prayed to the Father, El/YHWH is clearly not Jesus either). It is an expression of how we cannot make "sense" of God because for that we would need to be God himself.
>>337345667
what is dragons dogma
>>337348714
Because the miracles I have seen, were only evidencing that:
a) There is a God
and
b) There is a devil
and
c) The only way to know is look for the people that can do these miracles
Basically it was just:
>Be in the backyard talking by the phone
>Suddenly feel something amazig
>My whole being realizes this is God
>That very night have a dream about going to heaven
>From this moment on? Demonic activity and lies everywhere.
Yup, I got miracles to a point where I know that I should demand miracles from alleged followers of the true God.
At this point you're just demanding that I should be retarded and go with the first liar, especially since the nature of the miracles I have seen proved that indeed the world is populated by deceiving people of satan.
And yes, here you are demanding that I go with the first retard that claims to know the way.
>>337348868
>Surely the devil was kicked from heaven from being a good guy.
>>337348464
>If Jesus is a manifestation of God then so is everything
Based on what, and what problem would that be? Yet, Jesus would be perfection, which is the whole point.
>>337348278
Depends on the type of time travel, if it's me travelling to parallel universe I wouldn't know if me being a bigger faggot is a differance between our universes, or that it is something that would happen in my 'home' universe.
Alternatively, if it was in the same universe (and I decided to change my ways), the 'old' future I travelled to would never have existed. This would cause a paradox of me travelling to the future, seeing that I become a faggot, and change it, thus invalidating that future, and making it that it never happened. This would mean that I would've never been able to travel to it, and never get the incentive to change, etc.
My point stands in both cases
>>337345456
>Every history book ever
>Church is the bad guy
>B-b-but muh fedora !!
Fucking christfags I can't stand them. Since when did they took over 4chan ? I remember a time when they were btfo at sight.
>>337348625
Probably the not so fine print that says they shouldn't be elevating Mary and the saints to the position they do.
>>337349003
And surely history was written by the victors.
Is this the thread where we pretend to be religious?
>>337348428
He may accept mebut I won't accept him, teehee
>/v/ discussing religion
>>337348046
I'm not a christfag, but trendy atheists that haven't read the bible yet criticize it endlessly are just as bad as unthinking christfags. They're just the other side of ignorance.
>>337349003
>The only way to know
See >>337347064
.. and "we walk by faith not by sight".
>>337346367
That's pretty autistic.
>>337348586
>Although this isn't really fair, it's just that the reasonable ones are quiet, cause in reality noone sane cares about belief.
You mean that it's hard to have civil discussion on this subject so most people don't bother.
>>337348689
Are you going to out-argue god with semantics?
>>337349009
Jesus was not perfection and never claimed to be. If Jesus is God then so is Humanity since we are his children.
>>337348572
Maybe, but that quote can still be used as a shitty excuse for doing anything you fucking want and justifying it as "greatest wisdom"
>>337348868
Let me guess, you think paradise lost is canon
>>337348228
Cool thing about christianity - unlike islam it, more or less, allows interpretation. Catholicism is especially good at paradoxes like being monotheistic while worshipping Mary, Jesus, saints and angels. I liked how the wise fathers of this faith incorporated elements of existing religions into theirs, turning the fierce jewish sect into something more acceptable to people of Europe, turning religion of the desert shepherds into religion of the farmers, introducing old rites and gods as christian celebrations or saints. the transition process was, at least in Rome, quite natural and slow allowing the old culture to mutate and dissolve in new ways, or al least die peacefully. Of course there was a disasters like burning the Alexandria library but generally I believe it could have been much, much worse - I'm glad that whoever created the christianity as we know it todayfocused more on redemption and mercy aspects than revenge and revolution, things that also could be found in the Gospels if you're looking hard enough.
>>337348689
God can read your mind
>>337348689
>You can half ass it because you can claim what the bad thing you did was a good thing in the grand scheme.
You aren't trying to convince me with your half ass, you're trying to convince God, the guy who knows everything and more importantly, your heart. You can't get anything past him.
Oh boy am I having fun
>>337349098
>God is evil! T_T
In which way?
>>337349208
No, I do not make a habit of accepting words that cannot be proven.
But let's see if you are what you preach.
Grab a knife
Slit your throat
It won't kill you
Go ahead, walk by blind faith.
>>337349241
word
phoneposters are the absolute worst
>You're a fucking retard who probably still believes in Santa
>Y-Yeah? Well, y-you wear a hat!
Every time.
>>337348403
Questioned by many researchers - comparing with other Letters, it might also mean that Spirit influence is equal to that of Son. But thanks anyway.
>>337348464
>The idea of the Son being god is debunked and not supported by the bible itself.
Not really, in numerous fragments there are references how Father and Son are both separate and the same being. But thanks for sharing.
>>337348676
>Jesus asked why God had forsaken him.
Quoting from the Psalms.
We are God's children because we are his smartest creatures and he guided us specifically. What does that have to do with being gods? Jesus is not literally the son of God. He called God "daddy" because the Father appointed Jesus (the person) as his Son, his ultimate messenger, inhabited by Jesus the Word who has always been eternal alongside the Father & Holy Spirit.
The Trinity is only one God, in three entities. It's not very accurate because God isn't a 4D entity, but take a 3D cube with one red side, one green side, one blue side. If you put the red side on a 2D piece of paper, it'll appear as a red square. The green side will appear as a green square, the blue side will appear as a blue square. Are the cubes' sides not assimilated with it anymore?
>>337349434
>Jesus
Do a miracle or jesus is a lie.
>ITT
>>337348567
>trying to fuck with understanding of godliness and Lucifer without reading into LORD vs Lord
Christ says, "my burden is light". What is the definition of Lucifer?
And of him, "to God will he stand or fall, and he will stand because God can make him stand."
You're setting up a false dichotomy. "All will be saved except the One who is doomed to destruction." Sure sounds like Lucifer. But then, "to the one who endures to the end, I will save."
We still don't get to judge Lucifer, because as soon as Jesus re-appears, at least, the previous passes away. "Where there are prophecies, they will cease."
>>337348569
Wasn't that quote an alteration by the King James Bible?
>>337349024
The whole point is that time travel/free will arguments both end up in the same situation. You get stuck with a bunch of paradoxes and circular reasoning and it's better to just not waste your time with it. If free will issues are the only thing holding you back from believing in the biblical God then it will be a first.
>>337344416
But I love that trope, it buttblasts /pol/tards and /b/abies (and by extension 90% of /v/) for days.
The Holy Trinity's a bunch of baloney
God is God, Jesus is Jesus, the Holy Spirit is hogwash hippy bullshit
>>337348567
>I know you will buy bread
If god knows this, there isn't a possibillity of me NOT buying bread.The 'do I buy bread?' choice isn't really a choice then, is it?
If there is no choice, there is no freedom
>>337346485
My man, take care of your self, OK? Just remember, if it comes down to killing someone, something has definitely gone wrong somewhere and you need to fall back re-evaluate.
>>337347782
Here's a simple way that I like to think of it.
Humans were made in God's image, and in reflection of God, we're composed of three core parts that make us 'work'. Body, Mind, and Spirit. Our body is self explanatory. It's flesh, it can live, die, and rot away. It's just a vessel that carries us through life. Our mind is what controls us. It's our essence. It's where we get our emotions and personality, and it's what governs our body to do what it does. Our spirit is our connection to God. It's eternal and will never die, and through it we can speak with and hear God.
We're made up of three separate things, but we represent one.
God(Mind) made himself flesh(Body), to give us the gift of salvation(Holy Spirit)
They're three, and they're separate, but they're still one. If that makes sense? It's not a pantheon, it's one entity with... Layers, I suppose you could say? For example, you can't pray directly to God or the holy spirit, because "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me(Jesus)." You also can't pray TO the holy spirit, because it's a thing to be given, not worshiped.
It's... Complicated, but if you believe that this one being created the entirety of everything with just his spoken word, then you just kind of understand that there are some things that we can't fully comprehend.
>>337349075
>Every history book ever
>claiming the church to be the bad guy
Don't take the reformation and Protestantism to mean every book ever. The problem was that the Borgia's, an Italian noble family, used their massive amounts of money to buy control of the church. They had a member of their family become pope and used him to advance their interests.
>>337346495
Then why are you here?
>>337349353
It's just a poem, but God kicked the Devil out and God's fanclub wrote the Bible. It's not a stretch to say that things might be presented in his favor.
Also, can we really say that a guy who would flood the whole planet is good?
>>337349341
Nope. It's based on understanding what childishness and purity and suppleness are.
>>337349387
I didn't say he was evil, but definitely an imperfect and not wholly good if we go by the OT.
>>337349552
>jesus is a lie
No way to prove Jesus' life happened as in the gospels.
However, you don't have a bunch of people suddenly talking about a new philosophy (for the culture at the time) and creating a cult for a self-proclaimed messiah martyr without a similar guy coming up with these things at that time.
Historians don't have doubts that a guy (maybe not called Yeshua) lived at that time and that place, preaching those things then getting himself killed.
>>337349283
>If Jesus is God then so is Humanity since we are his children.
Did you forget a little story about Adam & Eve? We dropped the ball hard and have been stuck with the curse of sin ever since.
>Look into the scientific world
>Doesn't believe a Creator made all of it
Yet Christians are told not to go into science.
>>337347835
That sounds like the description of the biggest man baby ever.
>>337348626
Everything is affected by everything -- probability -- thus, there's it becomes another false dichotomy.
>Christianity will crumble in your lifetime
>>337349701
>Also, can we really say that a guy who would flood the whole planet is good?
Everyone who died had it coming. Doesn't make God any less good, it just made the entire planet not worth saving.
>>337348627
Harvest Moon
>>337346586
This. But seriously, there is no evidence to prove that a god even exists, christfags are brain-damaged. They don't even want to play video games as this thread clearly proves as the OP is samefagging in a failed attempt at a Reddit raid.
>>337349894
>islam will violently take its place
lesser of two evils?
>>337349847
What would you think of an ant crawling across your keyboard thinking you're the world's biggest manbaby because you tried to squash it for "no reason"?
>Pope obviously up to some shady shit, using his power for no good
>None of the other followers notice despite it happening right under their noses
>Everyone acts surprised when it turns out he's actually being a blasphemous fuck and was worshiping the ancient evil all along
>>337349283
But Jehova's witnesses state that since God is perfect, it can't create something that isn't perfect.
But then say that humans aren't perfect because muh Lucifer.
Not saying that you are wrong, since witnesses are just a different vision of christianism, just pointing it out.
>>337349720
And what is undestanding? Objective and absolute knowledge doesn't exist.
>>337349894
>he's happy Islam will become the dominant religion
>>337349958
Nah, they'll both go.
>>337348924
>Nothing's suggested they have stopped. We don't check the belief of every scientist.
No, thats not what I mean. What I was thinking about was monasteries and such actually investing into research centers, encouraging their own members to pursue knowledge. For what I know, only Jesuits still try to take that path.
>>337348949
Oh, Im aware of that, similar to the concept of how 2D being couldnt comprehend third dimension, yet still being capable of sensing its existence. Being able to see the 2D graphical projections of 3D objects (slices), yet unable to see them as a whole.
>>337349083
Thats another influence from Greek culture.
how's this for a vidya tweest
all influential religious, philosophical, scientific, political and ecenomic books were written by satan to keep humanity overpopulated and in a constant state of war so he'd get a steady supply of souls to feed him in hell
t.shyamalan
>>337345698
Eh, worked in Saints Row 2.
>>337349958
>Islam
>lesser of two evils
>>337349560
>Jesus!
Do a miracle or jesus is a lie
I can tell you 2+2=4 and put two apples and two oranges so you can see in a picture that it is true
You however are claiming bullshit here and can't prove it for shit.
>>337349606
>If you know I have a penis I am no longer free to pee when I have the need!
This gets more retarded by the second.
>>337349785
The bible has been manipulated, so you're judging based off lies.
>>337349814
>I've read some books that claim this and that and some people have written books saying this and that
Uh-huh
I have these Harry Potter books, you're gonna be amazed when you hear about wizards and shit, it must be the way reality works, man.
As I said, a follower of the true God, will be able to do miracles, jesusbois can't.
>>337348843
>as if there's an alternative
If the DNA of an Adam or a Noah is found as is suggested, linking all humans, that makes evolution very implausible.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0624_050624_spencerwells_2.html
>>337348046
The christians on reddit got pissed off that the atheists left so they no longer have a scapegoat and now they're organizing raids on other sites.
>>337350009
islam wont go
sandnuggers are gullible barbarians
>>337348676
>You can clearly see this because in his death Jesus asked why God had forsaken him.
Back in the time of Christ the books weren't divided up by verse and chapter for ease of searching, if you wanted to reference something you quoted the first sentence. That's what Jesus was doing there on the cross.
>>337349387
>walk by blind faith
"Will not the blind leading the blind both fall into a pit?"
"You shall not test the Lord your God". There's reason for these things. "A house divided against itself can't stand."
>>337350114
this is true. Western people were born with the curse of reasoning.
>>337349552
The miracle is that he has the patience actually put up with you.
>>337350054
>Do a miracle or
You don't get to decide the truth only by what you see. That's not even how science functions.
>>337350175
If this was true then Christianity wouldn't exist :^)
>>337344416
Chruch is evil, tho.
Also, God does not exist.
>it's a 4chan is ironically Christian now because /pol/ shames people thread
>>337349353
Wait, you're the christian. So that doesn't make any sense. Unless you're a coptic christian or a Jew.
>>337350260
>Not living on several layers of irony at all times
>This entire thread
>>337350054
The fuck are you talking about?
Are you saying early Christian epistles are fabricated? What's your source? You're about to create a big splash in theology.
A bunch of people got together and started a cult to worship a supposed dude who supposedly said and did this or that. These entirely new philosophies & theological ideas didn't come out of nowhere, someone must have stated them.
>>337350175
and look what it has brought us
>>337348883
They all say basically the same thing.
>>337349826
what's with this religion and science can't mix bullshit
the fucking pope is a doctor
vatican has a fucking observatory
one of the chruch's scientific advisor is stephen hawking
>>337349961
You just made him sound like even WORSE than a manbaby. If we're of no more moral consequence to him then ants then that makes him sound like a psychopath.
>>337345456
You believe in baseless inmoral fairy tales.
Woah, you are so smart.
>>337345543
The concept of God is inmoral, tho.
>>337345767
>God is good.
Bait
>>337346170
Jesus does not exist, tho.
>>337348046
It's not christfags, it's agnostics pretending to be christfags
>>337350253
This desu senpai.
>>337349961
Except that ant is actually you, and you're directly responsible for its every action.
In fact, the keyboard is you, too. As is the entire fucking universe.
The Christian God is, in fact, the biggest man baby ever, because what he does is the equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum at his toys in his sandbox.
>>337350147
And you're blind because you cannot do miracles and you pretend to guide others.
>you shall not test
Ah yes, the words of some demon in disguise that doesn't want the truth found out.
I'm going to say it simply:
You test an omnipotent God:
-He passes the test in all ways to give Himself glory so you know that's actually God and recognize His godhood.
-You test a lie
Nothing happens, test failed.
Pop, this is why the bible says: do not test.
>>337350226
Persistent lies are no miracle
>>337350234
Actually yes, that's how science works, you observe reality and notice that this is how it works.
Example of science:
When I get massaged in the butt, my dick gets hard, I must be aroused by this.
Example of not science:
When I get massaged in the butt my dick gets hard, so this means tomorrow will rain and Jesus will rise me from the dead.
>>337350350
>What's your source?
Experience
>>337350370
Majority of white Protestants (meaning majority of Christians) in America are anti-science, anti-homosexuality, and complete puppets to politics.
>>337350463
>let's discuss this
>no i refuse to discuss this because it requires assumptions to be made first
ok
but why are you still itt
>>337349283
>Jesus was not perfection and never claimed to be.
It's the whole of the story. Jesus had to be blameless for the completion of forgiveness / redemption to happen.
>>337349989
>Objective and absolute knowledge doesn't exist.
You have no basis for this.
>>337350417
>If we're of no more moral consequence to him then ants then that makes him sound like a psychopath.
That's not even close to the point. He just operates on an entirely different level, our petty standards of morality mean nothing to him because we are drooling retards compared to His magnificence.
On an objective level, we are of no moral consequence to anybody.
>>337350492
Agnostic what? Atheist or theist? Because them being agnostic atheists doesn't make any sense, because they know nothing about the bible.
>Makes masturbation a pleasant experience
>Also outlaws it
Why is God such ajerk?
>>337350496
So God is calling himself a manbaby right now so a little piece of him can feel like he's not a loser for another 10 minutes?
>>337346485
>Evidence there is a god
HAHAHA, TOP KEK.
>>337350548
Paul's sources were also experience
Muhammad's sources were also experience
Clearly experience isn't the best factor in discussing objective historical facts
>>337349821
I didn't drop shit. Just cause some dumb cunt in some dumb story fucked up does not mean I am in any way responsible. If it was so then I'd be responsible for genocides and slavery.
time to choose
>>337348567
>>Result? A bible that proclaims God hates your sexuality. A bible that even claims that God hated people who ate pigs in the beginning. A bible that tells you that you should try dying a virgin and poor giving all your stuff away. A bible that tells you something as unnatural as loving your enemies (and it does this after telling you that most of the world is populated by demons).
Have you ever actually read the Bible? God created sex for man and woman, of course he doesn't hate it, he's just opposed to it outside of the bounds of marriage. Read the Law, there's nothing forbidding sex between married couples. As for pigs it's worth mentioning that of the ~600 laws given to the Israelites most that aren't about sacrificial rules are in place for healthy living in the desert/wilderness. Eating shellfish is forbidden because eating it where the Israelites were would have ended in deaths, same goes for pigs which are always dirty. Paul encouraged celibacy but always stressed that it was his personal opinion.
>>337350550
Catholics are at 1.2 billion
Protestants are at 800 million
>>337346485
Religion really is a mental illness.
>>337350689
>This knowledge to be used only in times of extreme emergency
lmao
>>337349425
>Questioned by many researchers
>[not posting evidence / authoritative claims on this]
Burden of proof.
>>337344416
Why hate accurate depictions of your faith?
>>337350054
How can you be so retarded? No matter what you do, since God is omnipotent and omnipotency encompasses all, everything leading to as well as the good and bad stuff that will happen to you were set up by him in full awareness. You pee whenever you feel a need that he knew and wanted you to have since the very beginning.
Don't feel bad, it wasn't your choice to be this stupid in the end.
>>337344416
>>337350260
Plenty here actually believe they're "Christians", even though an earnest disciple of Christ would never be drawn to a site that's so full of lust, malice, jealousy and profanity. I have some real Christian friends and insofar as they're even aware of 4chan they're revolted by it.
>>337347387
>What is Jesus
Even by your shit religion's rules, you are retarded.
Just admit you are wrong and you have mo evidence of god.
>>337350648
By your logic, yeah.
I'm not the one who believes in God.
>>337350786
>>337349918
Unfortunately the almighty fedora meme makes it impossible to serious say this anymore, christfags can shut down any questions they don't like answering
>>337350689
Depends which ones are women or at least take a form resembling a woman
>>337350054
If I flip a coin, and somehow I know (with my divine knowledge) that it'll land on heads, is there really a choice if you want to win?
>>337350859
>>337350786
in case anyone feels like thumbing through a gold mine of psychotic religious faggotry, head on over to:
www.rr-bb.com
it's that same morbid fascination you get when seeing a really bad car accident.
>>337349894
They've been saying that for 2000 years. Romans used to view Christianity as a form of atheism because of the lack of sacrifices and that they didn't pray to statues. Within 100 years of Voltaire's death his house was bought by Christians and set up as a printing press to print bibles.
>>337344416
>americans
