What is the vidya equivalent of
>first chapter starts off with a 3 page long landscape description
?
>>337337414
Any RPG where you leave the starting town after one hour.
Just three pages aren't bad though, the problem comes when wannabe fantasy writes spent the whole fucking chapter explaining the map.
>fps
>your character wakes up from stasis
This is why Tolkien is garbage, I swear like more than half of the LotR trilogy is landscapes being described.
>>337337414
>freezeframe at an awkward angle
>record scratch
>"well your probably wondering how i got into this pickle"
>>337337414
where the game opens with a slide show and voice over talking about the generic fantasy history of the setting.
>>337337678
>Tolkien
More like
>first chapter starts of with a 50 page long introduction to a fake book used as 'source material' for the Lord of the Rings story itself with plenty of footnotes refering to material that doesnt even exist
Please Ronald
>>337337414
The Roxas sequence in KH2
>you start in a prison cell and someone helps you escape
>>337337863
what were they fucking thinking
>>337337414
Literally ANY intro like the Deus Ex HR one
>long boring dialogue
>your get an unwanted tour through some fucking lab, only for the devs to showcase some shit nobody cares about
>the character giving the tour is too slow to walk after, too fast to to run with
>if you get out of range, she just stands there, waiting for you to continue
>if you tab out of the game, it all freezes
Jesus fucking christ, is there ANYTHING worse than those fucking sightseeing tours on rails that require you to manually keep walking with some shitty NPC?
I'm the last person on earth who would skip cutscenes, but they really should add a [skip] button to those retarded sightseeing segments on rails, familia.
Wouldn't it just be a ridiculously long tutorial?
a video game doesn't need to paint you a mental picture of its world.
if you're talking about annoying shit that gets in the pay of you just wanting to play the game it would something like an unskippale cutscene telling you "the story thus far"
>>337338029
Probably just to showcase tech which might have been impressive at the time
>>337337414
play wolfenstein new world order
lengthy unskippable story bullshit intro
play wolfenstein the old blood
SAME
FUCKING
SHIT
post acceptable ways to start off a book.
>>337337414
Longest Journey
I love deep lore and shit, but some of the dialogue and lore babble is so fucking boring and pointless.
>the whole temple area when you talk to the high priest and he explains the entire fabric of the universe for like 30 minutes
PLEASE GOD NOOOO
NOOOOOOOO
>>337337943
>you then work together to save the whole damn island and become its next king, then send a cordial "fuck you" to the people who imprisoned you in the first place
>it's an "give the reader a chapter long inside into the struggling young female side protagonists mind" episode
>>337338128
There are none. I have never read a book that had me from the very first page. Basically you always need to force yourself trough the intro.
Worst shit is when the author starts off the book with a passage that is way later into the book to get you hyped with some supposedly interesting moment just to say "look, read this book and you will know what happens to this exciting moment". And after that the actual intro happens.
>>337338128
I prefer the approach where they just start writing like this is chapter 2 and explain things as they go.
Just don't throw me into some totally bizarre and alien world and not explain anything directly. Then it comes off like you're trying to hard to be mysterious and it makes me remember all the times I pulled that shit for highschool and then I just cringe and stop reading.
>>337338356
*freeze frame*
Wow, crazy huh? You must be wondering how I got here. Well, it all began when..
>>337337678
Read the chapter about Beleriand in the Silmarillion
The LotR books aren't even bad
>>337338183
>high priest is boring and won't stfu about the most inane spiritual bullshit
Sounds like good writing to me :^)
Every single modern game ever.
>>337338356
>I have never read a book that had me from the very first page.
I don't remember if it was the first page or the second, but I was hooked on Snow Crash when the big, gritty spiel on how the mob controlled everything and how much shit the MC'd be in if he failed this job led to the reveal that in the grimdark cyberpunk future, pizza delivery was serious business.
>>337338462
I guess. And to be fair I dont even think its compulsory, I think you have to actually ask.
>anime first episode
>main character is some fag who talks 5 minutes about philosophy shit
This why I can't watch anime anymore.
>>337338128
only the best way of course
>>337337863
Came here to post this
>>337338128
the story starts at the point where the story gets interesting. as opposed to the story not getting interesting until chapter seven. if the story doesn't get interesting until chapter seven you need to delete chapters one through six.
>>337338687
>military grade assault rifle
TRIGGERED
jesus fucking christ, i'm not even some autistic gun nut from /k/, but this shit makes my blood boil.
>military grade assault rifle
EVERY fucking assault rifle is "military grade", that's why it is an assault rifle in the first place, as opposed to a fucking hunting rifle, a pistol or a pdw.
it's a RIFLE for when soldiers (who are the MILITARY) need to attack something, which constitutes an ASSAULT.
it's like saying
>my hand tightened around my kitchen grade table spoon, strawberry pudding dripping onto the floor with a constant *plop* *plop* *plop*
>my familiy grade pet Mr. Snuffles was sniffing around the yard, still following the traces of our neighbour's feline MkII furball grade pet cat...
if you really HAVE to make something sound extra gritty and dangerous, go for fictional items at least, otherwise we're slipping into FOX news tier descriptions of "military assault sporks with cop tracing baby killer rounds".
>>337337414
>Game starts halfway through in a cutscene
>"You're probably wondering how I got in this situation"
That's your cue to stop playing
>>337339252
Assault rifles sold to civilians have the automatic function removed, making them not military grade
>>337338687
>numerous
redundant when the word casings also conveys that there's more of them. You can get rid of 'as I looked' and replace 'brightly lit' with just 'bright', too. also give some idea of who 'them' is.
>>337339403
then they aren't an assault rifle, just a rifle.
>>337339252
>my family grade pet Mr. Snuffles was sniffing around the yard, still following the traces of our neighbour's feline MkII furball grade pet cat...
that's actually a good line. it implies pets are something manufactured in your setting, without just stating so.
Long tutorials explaining basic shit that you would have to be retarded to not pick up on your own.
>>337337414
The first 30 minutes of ANY JRPG.
>>337338563
What anime?
>>337339873
I suspect he's referring to the one with the titty bounce limbo
>>337337414
Skyward Sword
>tfw you make it through the boring 3 pages of prologue
>a fucking great series of books opens up right before you, rewarding you for sticking through the tedious first pages
Every time.
Reading fantasy is impossible if you're unwilling to overcome the occasional boring intro in my experience.Also, Tolkien is one of the most overrated authors ever. Not saying he was bad, but people should really stop jerking off his long dead corpse and admit that there are authors alive nowadays that have surpassed him.
>>337338550
I honestly would've preferred Snow Crash to be entirely about pizza delivery. Everything else was DEAD BORING in comparison.
>>337339951
And that is?
>reading fiction
there's your problem anon
>>337337678
>This is why Tolkien is garbage, I swear like more than half of the LotR trilogy is landscapes being described.
I'd hate to see what you illiterate fucks would do were you asked to read, say, The Name of the Rose.
>>337339951
>I suspect he's referring to the one with the titty bounce limbo
i'm not even into anime and i found that webm pretty awesome.
>>337337414
>game starts with a lengthy tutorial explaining every obvious function of the game instead of just throwing you in and letting you figure it out
>"Do I need to go over that again?"
>you accidentally select "yes"
>>337340120
shit taste
>>337340016
fucked if I remember
>>337340102
That's an actual good book thought, please do not mention it in the same breath as genre fantasy trash like lotr.
>>337340102
>The Name of the Rose
I'd hate to see what you bandwagoning cucks would do were you asked to read and rate authors that you didn't feel the need to be impressed by due to their name alone.
>m-m-m-muh Schopenhauer, truly a genious!
>omg guise infinite jest, right? xD yeah, i totally GET IT :DD our secret club, huh?
People who are arrogant about their taste in books and feel superior because they only read shit off some wikipedia list of misunderstood intellectual author's digest are the fucking equivalent of 16yr olds listening to Led Zeppelin and berating the other kids because they "just dont understand the classics".
Pathetic/10.
>>337339403
and they're not assault rifles either, because being select fire (switching from semi to burst/auto) is one of the military's requirements to classify it as an "assault rifle"
and no, "assault weapons" is a made up term used to describe anything that's black, plasticky, and scary or some shit.
>>337339976
No, they really had not. There are few authors that can compare, Miéville comes into mind, but the absolute majority of fantasy production, including most of the most famous and successful authors don't even begin to compare. What Tolkien wrote was not genre fiction. There are very few fantasy authors who can claim the same.
It's popular to shit on Tolkien today, because you kids are basically illiterate and most non-genre-fiction seems incomprehensible to you apparently, but it's always better to blame others than to question yourself.
>>337339279
I thought it was going to lead into him saying "So anyway, my mother found my porn stash."
>>337340412
tolkien is fucking thrash, fuck off plen
>>337340354
You have clearly not read the book.
>>337340370
People like you need to be shot on sight. Seriously. Nothing more pathetic in the world than an anti-intelectual cunt seriously thinking he is superior to others by his lack of education, knowledge, experience. You literally boast how stupid you are and you think that makes you cool.
>>337340412
>It's popular to shit on Tolkien today
so why is it most people seem to think one meta-step further and try to shit on those who DON'T think Tolkien is the god of fantasy?
and why is it that those people, just like you did with your post, never post any actual arguments at all and instead rely on simply going "hating him is popular, that's why he must be good"?
is it due to the lack of arguments?
because honestly, we're talking about people who write down stories about made up bullshit here and if Tolkien was really as good as people claim (and in my experience, he isn't), more people would attempt to copy his style.
unfortunately, they don't.
why is that?
>>337340120
>I'm not even into x but even I thought...
>thinking for some reason your opinion is objective because you don't know shit
This meme needs to die.
>>337340543
I've read both tNotR and LotR, also tone down the elitist attitude, nobody is impressed by it here.
>>337340408
>talking shit about my tactical assault moped
>>337340653
it doesnt matter wether you read the actual books or not, if all you took from them was how you want to antagonize anybody that namedrops them without bringing any actual point to the table, you were clearly not really paying attention and reading them out of some sense of obligation
>>337340614
They sure love to take all that shit with the elves though
>>337338687
*freeze frame*
*record scratch*
Sigh, yeah, this is me. You're probably wondering how I got into this crazy situation, right? Well, this stuff all began about 5 days ago...
>>337340749
as a gun owner this is what I hate the most
you can really tell who they're trying to target with their merchandise when they slap "tactical" or "strategic" on the front of something
"durr check out this tactical foregrip"
>>337340543
>Seriously. Nothing more pathetic in the world than an anti-intelectual cunt seriously thinking he is superior to others by his lack of education, knowledge, experience
HAHAHA
nigger, not even in the slightest.
i don't lack education, knowledge or experience, but as opposed to some people on this board, I don't think these are necessary qualities to enjoy reading books.
the constant /lit/ tier infinite jest circlejerk is, among others, a perfect showcase of how some people think they are what they eat.
reading a spastically written "smart" book doesn't mean you're smart.
reading some old penguin classics doesn't mean you suddenly have "classy" taste.
reading what a self proclaimed intellectual has written does not make you intellectual yourself.
it doesn't work that way and anybody who thinks it does can just keep tipping their fedora and go search for the truth inbetween those pages, that's fine. but don't think that just because you slober up the words of the allegedly great thinkers, you are now a great thinker yourself.
you are not what you eat.
>>337339279
I'm not sure if its because of litteral translations failing to localize the sentence structure or grammer but japanese light novels and VNs all have these awfull stuttery sentences that just love to delay any usefull information under a good dose of hyperbole and pointless metaphors, and repeat themselves three times for good measure.
When the game supposed to be immersive but it starts with a controls tutorial
>>337340928
to be fair, my foregrip is objectively better at strategy than I am
>>337339473
Are you being serious here ?
>>337341090
I've had too much caffeine and can no longer tell
>>337341038
>they say "press the B button to jump...what the heck is a B button?"
>>337340637
>you need to know how to paint before you can like a painting
>you need to know how to play literally every instrument before you can like a piece of music
LEL
what else m8?
did you figure out you liked dicks too just because you acted like one or were you always a fag tho?
>>337340614
Because Tolkien is the father of modern fantasy in more ways than one, he theorized the philosophical place of fantasy in the intellectual landscape and wrote an elaborate false world that served as a blueprint for a million others
It doesn't matter if you liked the books or not, denying the influence Tolkien had and keeps having is being delusional
>>337337414
The tutorial part of any main pokemon game.
>>337341038
>fantasy RPG vidya
>has a guy with a very immersive voice narrating the story and shit
>suddenly goes 'press the right mouse button to...'
better (or worse) yet
>narrator says 'press x button to do something, but wait, what does that even mean?'
>>337341074
your foregrip does not think, it's there to make it more comfortable for you to hold the rifle
you are the one coming up with strategies on how to use it
you are the strategic one~ <3
>>337338183
So you want the priest character to be unrealistic?
Long ass 30 min cutscene before the game even starts. Like mgs
>>337341302
To be fair, Pokemon games are aimed towards kids and most kids probably need that long tutorial.
>>337341302
If you are old enough to post on /v/, you are way too old to still be playing Pokemon.
Fiction is just a fucked from the beginning in the eyes of the intelligentsia, it'll never please ivory tower intellectuals because it's fundamentally not what they're interested in
Might as well just stop caring about their opinion
Siege of avalon
Hey, don't knock East of Eden.
When any RPG sends you through an hour-long tutorial.
>>337338356
Literally every Witcher book had me hooked since the first page, especially Season of Storms. Then again Sapkowski is one of the most readable fantasy authors in the business, I had the book finished in like six hours.
>>337340102
Wait for the movie.
>>337338128
>The building was burning down, and it wasn't my fault
Dresden files is great
>>337337678
He is not a taste for average reading. But once you get an eagle's eye for history, for people, for the cycles and patterns they weave again and again...Tolkien becomes a lot more understandable.
You have to understand he was gifted with languages and had an intuitive understanding of how language "arises" in a particular frame of time. He shows a world of subtlety beyond Orwell's "theory of language".
The hunter in the forest who must be quiet and stealthy must come up with a quiet and stealthy means of language. The schmuck in the city utilize language to process interactions with other faceless schmucks as quick as possible.
"But to what relevance?"
Tolkien gives a good description that you can't destroy the concept of freedom or humanity by merely forbidding certain words. You'd have to destroy the entirety of their material existence and their creaturely volition.
>>337340614
>if Tolkien was really as good as people claim (and in my experience, he isn't), more people would attempt to copy his style.
By that logic, Twilight and Hunger Games are most brilliant books of the past few decades. People don't copy his style because it's quite difficult to write the way he does. His quality is both purely literal, he works the language beautifully, but more importantly, his strength lies in actual understanding of archetypal and mythological narrative. The man was tremendously educated and understood the fundamental appeal of mythological storytelling, and he managed to transform it into fairly modern (for his time, at least) story without losing any of it's appeal. And he did it with rich and colorful language. And you can see that the content, the ideas were insanely powerful and appealing, considering an ENTIRE FUCKING GENRE sprouted out of just copying and regurgitating the items, themes and objects he discovered and brought up to life in his books. His ability to discover, transform, and juxtapose elements of folklore and mythology is really unparalled in 20th century literature, safe for few rare authors, mostly of magical realism school.
People don't realize how skillfully his world is build, because it became so insanely appealing that it became commonplace, almost common sense. But that would have not happened if he weren't so damn good at his job.
>>337340998
>reading a spastically written "smart" book doesn't mean you're smart.
No. But rejecting to read them, or dismissing their value without reading them - dismissing the value of good literature in general, pretending that people who do praise it do so for some sort of personal agenda (specifically aimed at you) makes you an absolute, colossal cretin.
Even the biggest, most annoying literary snob has an advantage to you: he at last opened the god damn book, while you, you sorry cunt, were making excuses and reasons why you don't have to.
>>337341818
I wish people had kept this under the rug, now every totalitarian regime wanabe goes for the words first
>>337341620
I'm still stuck with the first book with the short stories because you always need to orientate yourself again and again. I just want one progressive story.
>>337340614
>if Tolkien was really as good as people claim (and in my experience, he isn't), more people would attempt to copy his style.
>unfortunately, they don't.
>why is that?
Because a lot of shit writers that think just having elves, dwarfs, etc is all you need to "copy his style". But thanks to writers like this and over exposure to shit like this, this is now considered the safe bet with fantasy fiction, so these fuckers keep on getting jobs.
>>337341275
Nobody is denying the influence of Tolkien, but people are right when they claim that he's not impossible to surpass.
>the father of modern fantasy
Holy shit, every time somebody brings that up it literally means "I have no argument, so please at least respect that XY is older than your shit".
People have written fantasy about struggling elves before Tolkien and nobody sucks Dunsany's dick for it. People had ideas about dwarves and dragons long before THAT and you don't see people stroking their dicks to the Edda or Siegfreid(sp?) the dragonslayer.
Tolkien's books are in the lucky position of having experienced a renaissance when the LOTR movies came out.
That takes nothing away from the books he wrote, it doesn't make any single page better or worse.
It just means that if Mr. Shekelstein in Hollywood had picked up the works of ANY other fantasy author, even fucking GURRM instead of LOTR, they would've been able to make the same movies generating the same hype.
>b-b-b-but the father of all fantasy
Has literally never been an argument.
The student surpasses the teacher all the time.
People care about the US, not the UK.
Our planes are based on early machines made of wood an paper, and nobody wants those anymore.
The ATARI (or commodore?) was the father of every gaming console ever, yet you don't see anything else besides XBOX and playstation nowadays.
It takes nothing away from paper planes or ataris, but just because they were good once doesn't mean that anything else coming after them will have to hide in their shadows forever and tremble in awe at the sheer mentioning of their long passed greatness.
Because that's the true sign of the eternal beta cuck.
Now enjoy your daddy's Beatles vinyls and let those gosh darn kids listen to the horrible noise the young uns call music these days.If they only knew they weren't REALLY having fun, right?
>>337337827
Every JRPG ever
>>337341992
The progressive story comes at the third book. The first two books are just to give you a sense of Sapkowski's style, of his characters and some amusing approaches to classical fairy tales.
The only book that got me with the first page was a greek crime noir novel, which started in the middle of a phone conversation between the main character and the antagonist, who was seriously fucking with the protagonist's mind and told him some shady shit about the MC's grandfather, whose funeral he was in town for.
Other than that it's always either a boring description of the protag's daily life or a "witty", "clever" introduction to the world which makes you want to fucking die. Same thing in vidya games.
>>337337414
Forced low level combat with no access to weapons you specialized for.
>>337338128
>The night was blue like a toledo blade
Still the best opening line to a pirate story I've ever seen
>>337341843
>it's
Literally stopped reading there.
>>337337414
>game starts with you exiting the sewers
>you have to fight rats and other critters for the first 45 minutes
>more lowlevel heal potions than you'll ever need drop at every corner
>>337342062
Wait. What? Are you seriously arguing that LotR is only considered good and hyped because of the movies?
Seriously? I'd argue that pretty much everyone on this board read the books way before Peter Jackson did his garbage in 2001.
I read the fucking books when I was like twelve. I'd wager most of us did the same, and have re-read them as an adult.
>>337342062
tl;dr you don't really understand the impact of tolkien's legacy, its not about the elves, dwarves and dragons
>you start off with a rusty sword and some trinket you're told to sell for money
>too scared to get rid of either in case they turn out to be relevant for some endgame sidequest and/or the true ending
>>337341005
Spice and Wolf might be the only LN I read that didn't have shitty writing
>>337342062
>The ATARI (or commodore?) was the father of every gaming console ever
Brown Box and later Odyssey.
>>337338128
They were all dead. The final gunshot was an exclamation mark to everything that had led to this point. I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over. To make any kind of sense of it, I need to go back three years. Back to the night the pain started.
>>337342062
>comparing literature to planes and video games
If you can only think in analogy, it's probably time for you to stop breathing. Your entire argument makes the assumption that there are concrete rules for what constitutes good literature, and that it's a quality which can be quantified.
It's not. You're retarded. Please stop being.
>>337342346
I started reading them when I was fifteen but stopped somewhere around two towers because I realized I just wasn't entertained and was only reading them for nerd cred
>>337342062
>Holy shit, every time somebody brings that up it literally means "I have no argument, so please at least respect that XY is older than your shit".
Actually, this is just you being to stupid to realize that creating an entire world view that became so appealing that it formed an entire genre, insane amount of tropes, stereotypes and models might speak to the authors talent. Also, people do stroke their dicks to Edda and other classical MYTHOLOGICAL AND FOLKLORE stories. The genius of Tolkien was transforming those stories, which are often extremely difficult to read because a mythological narrative works distinctly differently from modern one, into a modern type of narrative.
>The student surpasses the teacher all the time.
Name authors that surpassed him, and not merely lived off the concept and the appeal of things he discovered. "The student surpasses the teacher all the time" is so much less of an argument than "he is a father of all fantasy" that it's not even fucking funny.
To sire an entire genre, an entire aesthetic, an entire new way to tell stories and build worlds: that is an achievement.
To vaguely state that it is possible that a follower may surpass his teacher is a vapid, empty truism.
the whole of Planescape Torment
>>337342235
Hello Oblivion
>>337342482
yes
>>337338563
>anime first episode
>first minute is three twenty second long establishing shots with minimal movement
Anime sucks so bad holy shit
>literature
Most worthless medium thread?
Even 6 year olds can read and write.
YOU
ARE
NOT
CREATIVE
>>337342678
Where is the proofs for your statement though
>>337343156
You can read up a number of critical evaluations of his works from number of well established authors. I'm pretty sure even Borges praised his work in one of his famous prefaces or essays.
Other proof is the sheer popularity of his narrative inventory alone.
>>337343068
Ah, I see that since a 16 year old on 4chan /v/ has denounced the oldest entertainment medium to contain nothing more than a 6 year old's worthless drivel, based on his own opinion of literature(or probably pretentious literature buffs made his opinion this way) then we should burn all books and focus on ridding ourselves of everything spiritual and cultural.
>>337343350
You are bitting down one of the lazies bait's I've seen on this board in a good while.
>game begins with 20 minute cutscene
>you finally get control of a character
>walk down a hallway
>another even longer cutscene begins
>>337343456
Xenosaga ep 1 was literally this but I enjoyed it a lot
Probably because the story was very intriguing and the world believable, so I wanted to know more every time
>>337342205
>Literally stopped reading there.
That has to be the most pathetic way to back out of an argument in the world.
>>337341620
You must have a very simple mind.
>>337343409
Everyone here is addicted to bait
>>337337414
>vidya starts off with long mandatory tutorial stage
>you can't skip it when you replay itDUMB FROGPOSTER
>>337343794
I'm not even the guy you were arguing with. I just pointed out that you're incapable of proofreading.
Which is hilarious for someone who just wrote a fucking essay on 4chan about literature.
>>337342521
The books are much better as an adult, honestly. I re-read them sometime in college, and the language was not nearly as dense as I remember.
>>337344120
First of all, if two paragraphs are an "essay", then there might be something wrong with your basic text perception. Second of all, no, I do not bother to proofread texts posted on an anonymous board where the text retention counts in hours at max. Third, I'm not a native english speaker.
The fact that you however feel the urge to "put someone down" for a simple spelling mistake, rather than to maybe address WHAT he had said makes you an insecure moron, trying to make himself sound relevant when he has absolutely nothing to add to the discussion.
>>337343345
>You can read up a number of critical evaluations of his works from number of well established authors.
there we are again, always with the referring to those nebulous authorities and their work.
those "well established" shady figures nobody has ever read or cared about.
really, why not just say "it's out there somewhere, i'm sure!"?
because that's as much substance as your deflection towards some obscure 3rd party authority figures has.
>>337343345
>You can read up a number of critical evaluations of his works from number of well established authors
Read:
>please make my argument for me, since I got nothing
>>337343409
>everything I don't agree with is bait
Yep, sounds like /v/ alright
>>337338128
>Now consider the tortoise and the eagle.
>>337342062
you sound like a massive cunt
>>337344435
>there we are again, always with the referring to those nebulous authorities and their work.
You really are a seriously insecure piece of shit, aren't you? Once again dressing up your own ignorance as a virtue.
You don't know who Borges is? You, then, really have absolutely no fucking right to make judgements on literature. YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. It's that damn simple. Also, the argument is actually already contained in the original post you idiot.
What did you expect, exactly? A mathematical formula? Double-blind experiment? We are talking about literature here you fucking cretin, and yes, "shadowy figures" of authority are a key aspect of these debates. Authority and weight of judgement are build by consensus and informal discourse. The fact that you can't stand such environment because the notion of someone having an authority over you scares the everliving SHIT out of you is not my problem: just admit that you don't know fuck about the subject matter, you can't even fucking deal with how the discussion is hold without bursting into tears and feeling violated and FUCK RIGHT OFF.
It's absolutely INSANE how again and again you literally try to push your ignorance as something in your favor. Seriously: it's actually quite fucking deranged. There is arrogance, and then there is this:
NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND CAN ACTUALLY, SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THAT IGNORANCE IS A VIRTUE.
I tried reading LotR but I got bored because there were no jokes. I don't care if it's 'deep' or if the language 'intricately weaves itself' or any of that bullshit. All I want is something which I can easily read with a lot of humour in it and I'm good. I don't care if this makes me look like a mouth-breathing moron, it's just what I think.
>>337345498
It does not make you look like a mouth-breathing moron as long as you don't go around saying how LotR is shit. It's actually entirely fine to have specific requirements and interests in literature. If you want something easy to read that is fine.
The problem is not with people not appreciating Tolkien per se (though I would like to see people more willing to challenge themselves, and read things outside of their comfort zone), but with people confusing their own personal interests with broad and valid judgements. It's the difference between saying "I really can't get into Tolkien" and "Tolkien is overrated shit.". The first is an entirely valid statement, the second makes you a mouth-breathing idiot and an arrogant twat.
As long as you can tell the difference between these two attitudes, you are smarter than your average /v/ poster, honestly. It actually counts for a lot.
>>337345498
I bet you love Marvel movies.
>>337346212
It's very easy to see the difference between the two attitudes to me. I also concede I don't know a lot about literature and that I genuinely have ADHD so I have trouble focusing on reading heavy novels, and my native language is not English so some effort of reading English books is spent looking up what words and phrases mean because my vocabulary and vernacular are both seriously lacking.
>>337346351
I don't care for superheroes, though. They've never interested me. I just can't get into the mindset of liking a series of books where every character is SUPER SAYAN GOD. There has to be more to a character than just being a superhero for me to even remotely care.
>>337346778
>I also concede I don't know a lot about literature and that I genuinely have ADHD so I have trouble focusing on reading heavy novels
Then you are fine and smart enough in my book, certainly smarter than a lot of people posting in this thread. Though I don't entirely understand the last argument: one does not need to read books in the language of their origin. As one literary critic stated: generally speaking, if a book cannot be translated without losing majority of it's value, then it probably never was a very good book to begin with.there are exceptions, usually regarding poetry, but as a general rule of thumb for prose, it's not a bad guideline.
I tend to be overly snobbish and overzealous in defense of classical literature, but it's really not because I need to prove how smart I am. I just despise the kind of laziness and intellectual dishonesty which comes with a lot of classical literature bashing.
Read what you want and can, everybody has a different limit to what he enjoys. I just really hate people who refuse to explore their limits, and then turn that laziness into a virtue, literally insulting others and their works because they can't be honest enough with themselves to even just admit they do have limits, much less have the actual resolve to explore it.
>>337347347
My native language is Swedish so I usually have no other option but to read an English translation of a book.
>>337347621
>My native language is Swedish so I usually have no other option but to read an English translation of a book.
That is... interesting. Does Sweden have somehow particularly small translation business? Because I'm Czech we have roughly the same population size as Sweden, yet with a few exceptions you can find most of the worlds classics and popular literature translated here.
>>337337414
Is that supposed to be bad? It gives you an image of the backdrop for a story so you can see it in your head.
If you don't have patience don't read good books and go back to reading love triangle young adult books.
>>337339252
>I'm not autistic like /k/
>proceeds to be a fucking /k/ autist being mad over adjectives
>>337348062
>Is that supposed to be bad? It gives you an image of the backdrop for a story so you can see it in your head.
If you'd read the discussion that follows, you'd find that a lot of people here don't have particularly high regard of literature in general and seem to be proud of it too.
>>337348274
To each their own. Still stupid to shit on one form of entertainment because you prefer the other ignoring the merits and flaws of both.
>>337348687
>Still stupid to shit on one form of entertainment because you prefer the other ignoring the merits and flaws of both.
How often you see /v/ posts that aren't stupid shit? It's what most people come here for.
