>bosses are immune to debuffs/death spells
>they are useless outside bosses
Why this shit keeps happening and which games outside SMT don't have retarded and useless debuffs?
image is morbid and disturbing
Debuffs work great in EO
>>337335275
You are morbid and disturbing
>>337334990
>no bovine would be okay with you hacking off chunks of flesh at all, definitely not on the reg
>cow is presumably drugged or lobotomized
>>337335351
About to post this.
>>337334990
>roast pig on BBQ, almost eat it completely
>heal it back like nothing happened
>>337335351
But that is not a game
Why not just
>cage a hydra
>cut off head
>make soup
>cut off 2 heads
>make 2 soups
>repeat until fed
>cauterize excess necks
>>337335681
Too dangerous and it might taste foul and poisonous
>>337335734
What if constantly healing wounds eventually also poisons the flesh/causes prions?
>>337334990
I don't think that cow is going to like having chunks cut out of him only for them to regrow to be cut out again.
I would not wish this fate on anyone.
>>337335807
What I'm more concerned with is the energy efficiency pyramid. Even in an ideal system of 100% energy conversion, wouldn't the act of healing that much tissue require just as much energy from food sources?
>>337335352
Your mom is morbid and disturbing!
That's some Prometheus shit.
>>337335914
A game where backgrounds move more than characters is not a game
>>337334990
ff xiii
>>337334990
>Why this shit keeps happening
Why do so many people talk like filthy mexicans/russians now?
>>337336149
cyka blyat
>>337336105
that shitposting would be better suited for fps
>>337336105
That doesn't even make sense.
>>337335930
>>337335556
>>337335407
I doubt that the said process is energy efficient too.
Magic or no magic, you just can't beat physics and logic. Regardless if they're crying in the corner.
>>337335949
Yes, but the energy might come from a renewable source, like the sun.
>>337334990
Path of Exile's debuffs are more useful and effective on bosses than anything else
>>337336149
they are mostly australian actually, you wouldn't be able to tell if someone russian or mexican unless they tell you
>>337336231
>magic can literally do anything
>can't defy logic or physics
I wish I had that "It's magic I ain't gotta explain shit" cap.
>>337336232
That's fucking retarded.
Energy is still consumed and converted into healing magics which is used to patch up the bovine.
>>337336231
>Magic or no magic, you just can't beat physics and logic.
But you can
Summoning or polymorphing infinite matter is fine by fantasy physics.
It probably isn't a closed system. Could be some sort of a continuous process, with input on one side and sink on the other.
>>337334990
I miss the troll physics threads
>>337336316
If magic can do anything, why don't they just summon meat instead of cutting it off a cow?
Checkmate, wizards.
>>337336149
Your shitty language is too easy to learn so every retard speaks it to some degree. Enjoy speaking your inferior language till the end of your days.
>>337336232
>>337336318
>>337336361
Possibly explained by the presence of mana in the atmosphere where the energy is drawn from.
>>337336424
Because only wizards can summon, she's a cleric.
>>337336424
>why don't they just summon meat instead of cutting it off a cow?
because she is a healer not summoner
>>337336424
>summon meat
From where? The Astral Plane of Delicious Fleshy Pieces?
And it's a cleric.
>Bosses get two attacks in a single turn
>Bosses have no weaknesses
>Bosses can use your overleveled teammates against you
fucking persona, i swear to god
>>337336495
>>337336507
Then how can she summon up the power of healing?
>>337334990
any game that lets you see the success rate of your attacks, like FFT or Vagrant Story
>>337336231
>>337336316
>>337336361
Arcanum had the best magic/science interaction in a game
>Powerful wizards make machines malfunction
>Complex machines dull the use of magic
>>337336424
They do it constantly in the The Witcher universe.
There they can summon stuff like food, fuck pets, and all that good shit.
>>337336231
It is energy efficient tho, that steak will last a day or more, and i think she can cast that spell a lot of times a day.
>cast a powerful Sleep spell on the cow
>cut off a chunk
>heal it back up
>cow wakes up and is none the wiser
I dare you to find something wrong with this.
>>337336318
Yes, but when that energy comes from a near limitless source, does it matter?
>>337336625
At a certain point you don't even have the same cow anymore.
>get special potions or buff items
>keep them for ages until a right moment comes
>never use it
>>337336668
What if you only use the same part over and over again?
>>337336541
>boss is in final phase
>can now attack four times
>>337336668
better than killing the cow and losing it in the first place
>>337336231
>Magic or no magic, you just can't beat physics and logic.
Beating physics and logic is precisely what magic is and nothing else.
>>337336668
It's still the same Cow of Theseus
>>337336479
What's the nature of mana?
Is it a chemical or a form of energy?
>>337334990
The real question is, other than NES games, what games DOES this happen in
You OP are a retard who fell for a meme.
Debuffs work on bosses in most JRPGs, for example practically every Final Fantasy game. You just never tried, expecting it not to work.
>>337336707
Then you can rez it
Or even rez as a zed and heal it with whatever heals zombies. Though it would require keeping the flesh fresh somehow.
>>337336463
Pax Americana was a mistake.
>weeb japshit games are poorly designed
color me shocked
>>337336735
It's sperm of a male virgin aged 30+
>>337336816
Rare-Medium Rare of course. Anything more is unacceptable.
>>337336771
zombies are always comically rotted in anime shit tho, I'd rather just torture it for millennia,
Maybe we can make a new religion around this cow in it's honor or something?
>>337336668
Isn't that the same for most animals? Our cells constantly die and get replaced.
Isn't' it like 10 years and you are a "completely new human"?
>>337334990
But debuffs usually do work on bosses, it's just status conditions that are mostly useless on them except when they're rarely useful.
>>337336847
>Medium Rare
Why not just nuke the fucking thing while you're at it?
>>337336816
>How to derail a thread
well done mustard race.
What marinades do y'all niggas use though? Soy, tabasco and worchester god race reporting in
>Eat a piece of bacon
>Someone heals it back to a whole pig inside you
>Healing is now a super effective attack spell
>>337336913
Medium Rare is fine for lower quality cuts.
>>337336560
I loved it.
>a giant blimp was enough to make any but most powerful wizards useless
>wizards were not allowed to travel by trains because they could fuck up the machinery
>if you have high tech affinity, wizard shopkeepers tell you to get the fuck out before you destroy all the magic in their merchandise
>>337336852
>I'd rather just torture it for millennia,
But it will grow old and die.
>>337336917
I just like a nice classic smoked hickory BBQ sauce or some simple BBQ spice rub.
>>337336971
oh yeah
guess I'll have to get a new one eventually
hey maybe we can retire her to a life a luxury for her years of service instead of just killing her?
>>337336847
I mean, obviously. I feel sorry for those fools who actually cook their meat. They will never have a friend tapeworm named Cinnamon to cuddle.
>>337336917
>tabasco
>>337336939
You can't heal a bacon into a pig, since bacon is dead. You have to rez it into a pig.
>>337336560
>>337336964
Fuck. Now you want to make me want to try it and get properly into it.
What is generally considered the most fun? Magic or Tech?Or just a generic melee brute?
>>337336917
I just go with ketchup, the mc donalds one is actually not too bad
>>337334990
>outside SMT
I really hate this meme
Most bosses are immune to status effects in almost every SMT game
What people refer to are stat boosts and debuffs, which are only really important in Persona 3 and 4
>>337336231
Full metal alchemist magic is powered by death in a sepperate dimension
>>337337042
>I live in a third world country and don't know what the fuck I'm talking about: The Post
>>337337094
Since the entire game's dialogue changes if you play a low int character, melee brutes can be pretty fun.
>>337336964
>wizards were not allowed to travel by trains because they could fuck up the machinery
They were, if they sat waaay in the back
Pork>Beef
>>337337120
>which are only really important in Persona 3 and 4
B8?
>>337337130
Only in the first anime series. and honestly that bit kind of felt tacked on and completely out of the blue.Would've been cool if they'd hinted at and developed it more
If the cleric decides to heal the slice of meat instead, will it grow back an entire cow?
>>337337143
Only if they were not powerful enough to fuck it up even in the backseats.
>>337336917
burgundy wine sauce, sometimes a simple peppercorn
>>337335681
>>337337223
no, because it's dead flesh once it's cut free, and you usually can't heal dead things with rpg healing magic
Should I grind 15 levels so I can finish the last boss of persona 1 or should I just leave it on my pile of shame and start 2?
>>337337327
just force yourself to beat it if you're that close to the end
>>337337094
Tech is more fun but it's not as overpowered as magic.
Still easy, pic related carried me through the whole game and you can get it quite early by either crafting or stealing.
>>337336870
Iirc I read it takes just somewhere between 6 months and 1 year.
>>337337496
Really? That little. Damn.
Don't stuff like Hair and skin take longer?
>>337337176Made perfect sense they are constantly talking about equal in and out and are constantly wondering about how to get enough energy to make the philosopher stone. They are then told the only way to generate enough power is to use live humans. Did you not immediately wander about how all minor alchemy was powered? Then they hint at the gate being some kind of exchange in the first episode. Its the very reason i like the first one more alchemy was wayyy more fleshed out as was the homunculi
>>337337571
You from 1 year ago is dead, anon. Face it.
>>337337571
Try to not bathe for 2 weeks, then rub your skin
>>337336917
Thyme and black pepper run m8
>>337336870
>Isn't' it like 10 years and you are a "completely new human"?
This goes deepand into depressing territory.
If you consider that there are time periods of your life that you have no memory of, isn't the "you" from that time period basically dead? And the current "you" being an entirely different person?
How long until the current "you" dies in the same way?
>>337337496
Does this happen for brain cells as well?
>>337337590
>Did you not immediately wander about how all minor alchemy was powered?
No, but admittedly I was quite young when I first watched the series with my older brother.
>i like the first one more alchemy was wayyy more fleshed out as was the homunculi
Definitely agree with you there. I watched the proper adaptation last year, and though thefight scenes were a little better and some of the characterisation was neat, it certainly didn't feel the same. Also Father was a really shit big bad compared to Dante.
>>337334990
Valkyrie Profile has debuffs working on nearly eveyrthing.The Nep games actually have many bosses not immune to debuffs. A shame that the EX moves trivialize the game anyways. Not using them actually makes you very reliant on debuffs and status conditions.
>>337337663
Well, I mean, all your skin, not just the outer layers.
>>337337702
>>337336560
That's stupid though, technology doesn't work by some form of 'technological power', it's just clever abuse of the laws of physics
>>337337739
They both have very good strengths but when i watch movies and shows world building means way more to me than anything else which is why I enjoy the Prequels in star wars. Acting, character development, and a forced plot might be terrible not to mention very slow and a lot of politics but to me that is the best because if you create a pretty function that isnt always true it can only be good for 1 equation but if you make an ugly function that is always true then you can compute infinite equations.
>>337334990
that's a poor comparison to scientists growing cultured meat
>>337337716
Pretty sure it does, the main reason we get old and senile is mostly because of prions making cell renewal harder and DNA strands getting full of errors over billions of billions of transcriptions during our lives.
>>337337923
But anybody can see when a technology is getting more advanced. You find it involving more and more equations to compute its processes so in a way it is effecting the fabric of reality more than a spoon lifting soup to your lips. Technology does have power.
>>337337702
I find it baffling that people find this scary.
There is only ever the current "you" anyway and any aspects of yourself that would transcend the now only exist in your mind anyways.
I guess it's a "you are actually smaller than you think you are" kind of thing and it also reminds people of the unstoppable passage of time and the final conclusion of ones life to come.
>>337337923
The idea was that ordered systems inherently disrupt the primal energies of magic, whilst the presence of magical apparatus and entities disrupts the consistency of natural forces. Light and sound move at variable rates, friction oscillates unpredictably etc, so machines don't work around magic, but magic doesn't respond well to the order of machines.
>>337337923
That's the point.
Technology is abiding to the rules of nature and physics.
Magic is breaking them.
Those 2 are at constant war with each other and are mutually exclusive. A very advanced machinery abides to these rules so hard that its very presence makes it impossible to break those rules, unless the wizard in question is able to break them so hard the machinery can't compete and malfunctions.
>>337337923
Science works with laws of physics
Magic works against laws of physics
>>337336625
Physical attacks wake sleeping things, anon
it's basic rpg logic
>>337337176
It was out of the blue because it HAD to be.
Once they caught up with the manga, the author came to them, told them how the manga was going to end, and said "don't you fucking dare spoil this ending, you better make something else up".
So they did.
Actually I like the direction the original anime went much better.
>>337337923
In many settings magic is a power that breaks physical laws and thus would certainly have the potential to be diametrically opposed to technology.
Then there are settings where magic is basically the same as technology.
It just depends on the setting.
>final fantasy 13
>debuffs and death work on bosses
>>337338060
>>337338121
>>337338146
The manual actually has a lovely passage about this. Let me see if I can find it.
>>337338206
>it's a 'the boss is a zombie type and dies to one pheonix feather or raise spell' bossfight.
>>337338206
Not only that, I found normal battles quite tough that I really needed to make use of debuffs and buffs if I didn't want them to take 9 mins+
>>337336542
clerics don't summon healing, they borrow it from their deity
>>337338326
Take a look at the motherfucking experiments. Top tier Arcanum writing demonstrated:
http://troika.wikia.com/wiki/Chapter_1:_Introduction
MMOs usually do.
>>337334990
>which games outside SMT don't have retarded and useless debuffs?
Paper Mario (they are completely broken)
Final Fantasy (particularly useful in 5)
Touhou GoS (debuffs are essential for survival especially at many points of the endgame)
Might and Magic in general
>>337336946
Fatty cuts need a bit more heat to melt the fat too. If were talking meat that was cut straight from a cow it might be bloodier than butchered meat but you could eat it raw. Raw beef cut into thin strips and dipped in sauce is meant to be pretty tasty.
>>337338205
World of Darkness has a very cool definition of magic.
All the rules of physics etc. are just what the majority of people around believe in. A mage is someone who realizes that and can affect the world around him by challenging the believes of those around him.
Doing greatly unbelieable things will often result in paradox and mke the magic not work/backfire. That's why it was easier to cast fireballs in the Middle Ages for example, because people actually believed it's possible.
Lots of technology was invented because an order of mages has steered humanity into believing in it, too.
I bet flesh regrown is such a way again and again would give you cancer at some point
>>337338174
well, personal taste I guess.
I disliked the abruptness of it and the way ED becomes a constantly crying manchild towards the end.
I did likeHughes deatha lot more in the first one though. Much more time, much more character developement and much more time for me to care about him meanshis death was more impactful
>>337337394
grinding in that game is ass though
>>337338487
That's literally the concept of meme magic.
>>337335953
Aw shit son!
>>337338673
yeah but he'll feel better if he finishes what he started
>>337338682
Memes are a concept related to culture only though.
>>337338487
Technocrats best mages.
Though as a current glass walker garou player I might be biased.
>Mobs will wipe your party without debuff like 70% slow attack speed
>>337338487
WoD magic is based around consensus reality and the Technocratic Union are scientists of the mage world
>>337335407
>That image
Holy shit, the music even started in my head automatically
>>337338757
Baneposting influenced the fabric of reality itself with the Les Bains plane crash, memes can definitely influence physics and other universal laws if they are powerful enough.
>>337338794
>and the Technocratic Union are scientists of the mage world
They are not really any more scientific than any other mages though.
They just steer people to believe the rules of nature/physics are set in stone, which is actually not true.
>>337334990
What annoyed me hard is that Dark2 finally made poison have viable damage, making it a threat, but was nerfed back to Dark1 levels of damage ticking, making it a non-issue unless it is toxic.
>>337338487
If this were true the internet would have produced shitloads more legit supernaturals thanks to tumblr style hugboxes.
>>337338956
They represent order, and what's more orderly than a scientific approach of making everyone believe what you want them to believe?
>>337339018
Most people would dismiss them as bullshit though.
>>337339064
>They represent order
Yeah I'm not arguing about that, they just want shit to be stable. It's just that "science" doesn't have much meaning in WoD since everything is just a matter of consensus.
>>337336964
We Crazy Diamond
>>337338382
Not all clerics borrow their power from deities
>>337339064
Their approach is not strictly scientific, they just want things to be tame and stable.
If you could wipe the slate clean and convince everyone that casting fireballs is possible, pyromancy would become legit science.
But Technocrats wouldn't want that because things wouldn't be stable if anyone could hurl fucking balls of fire like it's nothing.
>>337334990
Bitch should cast sleep or paralyze on the cow first.
>>337337702
Shhh Anon, some of us haven't played Soma yet.
>>337339547
I actually didn't heard about it until now.
Is it good?
>>337339646
Go play it faggot
>>337336674
>Make potion of buff items
>Buffs gloves of potion making
>make stronger potion of buffing
>Stronger buff gloves of potionmaking
>Stronger*2 potion of buffing
>Repeat ad nauseam
>>337339758
At least tell how long is it
>>337337314
What if he casts revive?
>>337336764
persona and dragon quest.
>>337340616
Long enough
>>337340757
Dang it Anon
>this fucking thread
>>337336939
>resurrect food inside enemy
>they explode
>>337342379
>you do it to a scavenger monster
>they ate a much larger more horrifying monster
>>337336231
>Magic or no magic, you just can't beat physics and logic
Spot the literal autist.
>>337342927
>Boss is a giant vulture
>you can heal its remains for a second more terrifying boss
i feel like we've gone too far
>>337336126
>ff xiii
Came in here to post this. Debuffs were kind of OP in FF13.
>>337336939
What bdo
>>337336105
>autoscrollers with detailed backgrounds aren't games
Whew, glad we got that one cleared up.
>>337335407
Havent seen this fucking guy in a while
>>337336105
>perspective is the sole deciding a factor of a game being a game
0/10
>>337337702
>>337336870
Not all cells reproduce. You are stuck with some of the permanent cells until the day you die.
>>337338206
>instant death conditions are based on RNG
>>337336531
>>summon meat
>From where? The Astral Plane of Delicious Fleshy Pieces?
So magic CAN'T do anything?
>>337336870
>>337337496
>>337337702
>>337338050
Jesus Christ, why the fuck do people fall for this stupid bullshit
Yes, your skin and nails and large portions of your internal organs lose cells and generate new ones.
YOUR BRAIN DOES NOT. BRAIN CELLS LAST A LIFETIME. DEAD CELLS IN THE CEREBRAL CORTEX NEVER GET REPLACED. YOU ARE YOUR BRAIN.
For fuck's sake
>>337348013
Doesn't apply to my point about memories.
Look, the last memory I have was from when I was about 5 years old.
The <5 years old me didn't have any memories I have know, nor do I have any of his memories.
So, basically, that me is dead. Doesn't exist.
And if I live to the age of 90 or so, I probably won't remember jack shit about this time frame. So current me will be dead as well.
I know it doesn't sound very convincing but give it a thought. Or don't, the more I think of it the worse I feel actually.
>>337348420
>Doesn't apply to my point about memories.
Your "point" about memories is asinine as you've utterly failed to operationally define "you."
>I couldn't form memories before 3 so the three-year-old me is dead
You're just mashing words together and inventing new definitions. That means absolutely nothing.
>>337348643
>you've utterly failed to operationally define "you."
I consider memories and experiences to be the vital component of personality, among others.
>You're just mashing words together and inventing new definitions. That means absolutely nothing.
Well shit, would you be totally ok with losing all of your memories? Would it still be you after that?
>>337336939
>do this for multiple strips of bacon
>get multiple pigs
I know you'd basically end up killing genetic diversity and promote generations and generations of inbreeding because the rez'd animals are essentially clones, but it'd be a pretty neat month for endangered species everywhere
>Fire Punch
>>337348420
>So, basically, that me is dead. Doesn't exist.
No such thing dumbass. You're a continuity, not several different chunks spread across in time. Try turning your PC off for several minutes, then start it up again. Is it the same PC with the same software? Yeah. Now try turning your brain off entirely for several minutes, deprive it completely of oxygen and blood during that period of time. Now start pumping blood and oxygen back, are you the same person with the same conscience? No, you're fucking braindead. Your brain cells are gone and can never be recovered.
God I hate it when teenagers with existential crisis shit up /v/.
>>337349047
>I consider memories and experiences to be the vital component of personality
You're still not defining "you" (or person), "personality," or even death in such a way as to make your statement make sense.
I smoke weed erry day, so why are you the one that sounds like a stoner?
>Well shit, would you be totally ok with losing all of your memories?
No, amnesia sucks, but when someone has amnesia I don't consider them fucking dead.
>Would it still be you after that?
That depends on how "you" or "person" is defined, which is fairly arbitrary.
If we were actually debating operational definitions I would argue that personality is in no way tied to memories even if those memories effect the personality. Personality is not knowledge, it is disposition.
If a man who greatly enjoys murder and a man who greatly enjoys helping people were to swap dispositions but not memories, would you say they still had the same personalities?
