So I've heard bastion is pretty strong guys. What do you think?
>>337308107
All the bastion complaining just points out how enormously casual /v/ is.
>>337308107
fuck that has to be a script
They should make it so you can't turret in objective areas, or at least areas that are obscured camp zones.
>>337308214
>playing overwatch
>enormously casual
No shit
>>337308107
>In the 6 months of closed beta several heroes who were equal to Bastion now were nerfed and explained as such because "there shouldn't be a need for a hard counter to overcome a single hero"
>Lead Dev Jeff Kaplan says in an interview he enjoys Bastion
>They refuse to nerf Bastion while contradicting their previous stance used as reasoning to nerf many other heroes
Good to see Kaplan's refusal to nerf his main was carried from his WoW leadership to his Overwatch one
>>337308258
just increase the spread on his gun so he cant melt you from across the map in turret form
>>337308351
>calls overwatch casual
>still sucks and can't counter bastion
Whoa
>want to counter this hero?
>JUST PLAY AS THIS ANOTHER HERO
Amazing game, just amazing
>>337308258
Probably shouldn't let Bastion turn into a turret on top of the cart in payload maps. Me and a friend has a strat where we both sat on the cart with bastion in turretmode and reinhart in front with the shield deployed. It was basically unstoppable
>>337308476
>>still sucks and can't counter bastion
Why are you projecting
>>337308232
Most twitter accounts from companies actually are.
Fuck it, I'd rather play this. It's better and it's free.
>>337308107
"B-but the stationary character with a weak spot in the back is SO HARD to beat!!! :("
Fucking hell, this is truly what measures one as a casual. Shit. I'm sad, now.
>>337308550
Until me and my friend peak from the corner and shoot 2 symettra balls at you and start charging 2 more
>>337308107
>encouraging the use of sniper characters, the only thing more cancerous than Bastion
>>337308550
A pub team can't stop it. A real team with communication can bring 4 Symmetra's with her fully charged right click. Your nest is dead, shields don't matter.
>>337308638
I disagree desu
As someone who main'd Bastion in the beta, agree that it's a bit overpowered. They should widen its firing spread in turret mode.
>>337308107
I think you're a sill.
>>337308638
t.nigger
>>337308638
I agree
>>337308513
>character switching is a main element
Blizzard is so fucking gay.
>Getting countered? Counter pick them!
>they'll counter pick your counter pick
>you have to counter pick their counter pick
>they'll counter pick your counter pick
>you have to counter pick their counter pick
>they'll counter pick your counter pick
>you have to counter pick their counter pick
>they'll counter pick your counter pick
>you have to counter pick their counter pick
>they'll counter pick your counter pick
>>337308601
>can't counter
>I know I will say he is projecting
Wew
>>337308670
>a weak spot in the back
That's countered by sitting in one of the 2000 corners and hallways that surround all his best camping spots.
>>337308718
Why? Better gun play/multi-stage maps literally made by Enemy Territory/Brink devs.
>game where hero choice dictates outcomes rather than personal skills
Sounds really fun desu.
>>337308476
>he calls overwatch casual
>you have no reason to believe this poster has ever even played it
>you are retarded
>>337308443
You need to understand that McCree was nerfed and Bastion still isn't on his level.
>>337308850
Why are you projecting
When I first played, I saw Bastion everywhere. As I started leveling up, he appeared less and less. I didn't even get that far, only maybe level 15.
He's a scrub killer. Literally the same as Pyro.
Bastion is bad at anything that isn't staying in one place. I heard Lucio could give him trouble but idk.
>>337308107
>Blizzard themselves forgetting its a 6v6 game and just because you go Hanzo or Widow doesn't mean you can do shit to Bastion+team
>>337308967
Lucio on his own couldn't do much. His ult would make it easier for the team to pick off the bastion, though.
>>337308903
Its because McCree has a free kill on a 8 second cooldown
>>337308859
>Brink
You literally turned my off from ever even paying attention to this game.
>>337309004
Good. You shouldn't be able to 1 vs 2+ so easily.
>>337309102
Brink was amazing if it weren't for lack of content
This is Brink with content.
>babby never heard of Enemy Territory
>>337308901
>you have no reason to believe this person has played it
Except this person is in a Overwatch thread, specifically one about a Bastion counter
>>337308939
>I k-know how to counter bastion
>>337308946
I got to level 35 and still seeing him 50% of matches, the fuck you smoking
>"Hero Switching is a main element to Overwatch."
>Game actively discourages you from switching heroes because your ultimate meter resets.
>>337308842
You're retarded. How would you not be good enough to compete with at least one of your first choices? If people are hilariously trying to just game the system by choosing counters without actually being skillful, they'll just fail and never win anything.
>>337309163
>Brink was amazing if it weren't for lack of content
And some shitty, unbalanced maps.
>>337308842
I agree anon.
I would prefer it if you weren't able to switch your character during the game so you have to plan out and commit to a team set-up.
Letting people switch is just going to turn things into a never ending game of rock paper scissors.
>>337309169
Keep projecting, doesn't make the game any less casual :^)
>>337309195
Enjoy being a perpetual shitter anon
>>337309195
If you're getting you shit kicked in that you have to consider shuffling characters, than your ultimate may not be enough to help you.
>>337309253
overwatch has some shitty unbalanced maps, most of the capture point maps on defense are rediculously easy since you literally spawn on the final checkpoint
impossible to win because of unlimited overtime unless your team somehow kills the defense all at once or they were awful from the start
>>337309163
It's gunplay was beyond bad and the parcore was buggy and half baked.
I bought it for 2 dollars during a sale and still felt ripped off.
>>337308443
>Lead Dev Jeff Kaplan says in an interview he enjoys Bastion
Holy fuck what a casual piece of shit.
>>337309084
Maybe a Roadhog could do something
>>337309084
lucio has no damage falloff from range, so he actually can fuck up a bastion pretty decently.
I think it can be pretty easy to fight off those characters as Bastion and an entrenched Bastion with a team supporting and covering against his weaknesses is nearly impossible for a regular team of pub shitters to unseat.
A better easy mode counter to Bastion is Pharah. You can fire enough rockets to kill him before he realises he's under attack.
>>337309195
Are you that bad to where you can't get your ultimate meter filled quickly enough? Let alone badly need it at all?
The only map Bastion is a bastard on is the shitty Egyptian map. That being said even if they don't have a bastion it's still a fucking awful map to attack on unless you blitzkrieg.
>>337309195
>I have to keep bashing my head into the wall, i mean i can't stop now i'm bleeding and shit, it can't be for nothing
>>337308670
You people act like every Bastion player just goes into turret mode way out in the open where everyone can see them and never makes any attempt to get up and move once they see the enemy team is getting too close for comfort.
Try countering Bastion as Widowmaker or Hanzo when there is a Reinhardt and Mercy covering his ass.
>>337309229
>character switching is a main element
Blizzard's words, not mine.
>>337308107
I play roadhog just so I can shit on all bastions
He's an annoying character in the sense that when someone plays as him both teams focus on him because of his damage and the game turns into "who can kill the bastion the fastest and move on with the fucking game"
character himself isn't the greatest, but his ultimate is without a doubt OP though
Devs are retarded. You want to deal with Bastion? Peek him around a corner or over a roof with Parah's rockets. Even if you don't kill him you can harass him and keep him from quad killing your team.
>>337308107
>Bastion out-DPSes Widowmaker, Hanzo, and Genji before any of them can kill him, since they all have to have a line of sight to him and he has no falloff or spread over large distances
Hmmmmmmmm
>>337308107
>that gif
is this what a based non-polack dev looks like?
>PvP balance in a Blizzard game
>ever
Bastion has too much fucking health for his damage output, not to mention his healing rate is insane
>it takes 3 shots from Widowmaker or Hanzo to kill Bastion
>you can wreck Bastion in under 5 seconds with Genji by baiting him into shooting you and using you E
>shitters still can't counter him
>>337309409
>overwatch has some shitty unbalanced maps
Overwatch I has like 1 or 2 maps I would like to see reworked. Not because they favor one team but because certain character types like snipers get an advantage. And no, they are not impossible to win.
Brink, on the other hand, had a map where the attack team had a massive disadvantage and required the other team to be brain dead retarded and spawn camped to win.
>>337309834
Pharah two (or was it three) shots him.
>>337309727
They need to get rid of his healing, but I can't really think of anything else to give him.
>>337309727
He used to have a ~500 hp shield when he entered stationary mode
The shield would regenerate every time upon entering the mode
Can someone confirm the shield values and regent thing who remembers?
>>337309582
The biggest counter to a bastion reinhardt combo is 2 reinhardts.
Reinhardts E goes through the shield and will deck bastion; the two shields will allow your team to get past the chokepoint.
>>337309727
Heal has no cooldown
Sentry mode can headshot
Fix these and Bastion is fine for low level pubs.
Buff his Recon so he has something useful to do in Recon. I personally would just get rid of Self-Repair, there is enough healing that we don't need another person with that ability and its useless for Bastion really. Give him a new E that does something different in Recon than it does in Sentry.
>>337309834
By the time it takes you fire off 3 shots he just gets up and heals in cover and re-positions while you wasted your time.
>>337309656
>Bastion out-DPSes Widowmaker, Hanzo, and Genji
Well yea, two of them specialize in burst damage while Bastion is pure DPS. Not to mention Genji hard counters Bastion.
>>337308732
I built a shrine to you in my room :^)
>>337308638
That game looks worse.
That black chick has a fucking stache
>bastion is currently underpowered
>shitters still can't handle him
>blizzard will be pressured into nerfing him until he's completely trash
It's pyro all over again. I thought Valve was just retarded but I guess every class based shooter is guaranteed to have 'that' class.
>>337308107
Bastion is easily countered by many heroes, not only genji\wm\hanzo, the only problem is blizzard won't allow you to do that on most of the maps since they're poorly designed with tons of bottlenecking and little to none side routes.
But map reworking is too hard, better suggest to counter him with three specific heroes.
>>337309834
literally any bastion can just stop shooting if a ganji as much as lifts his sword, you're only killing completely braindead bastions that way
>>337309932
I was just giving examples of how the heroes who the devs mentioned can counter him. Junkrat also wrecks Bastion, and so does Roadhog. All you have to do is hook him out of the turret state and then make him into more ammo for your shotgun.
>>337309992
and a little trigger discipline hard counters Genji's hard counter
>>337310110
>implying bastion is ever played by anyone not braindead
>>337309984
I would make it so that he couldn't heal while in turret mode.
Simple fix.
>>337310110
>can stop shooting
That's when Genji goes and uses his stars?
>>337310146
>Bastion
>Trigger Discipline
Not likely.
>>337309984
>getting the annoying ass Bastion to move away from the objective long enough for your team to take over
The game isn't based solely on racking up kills.
>>337308107
The balance of Overwatch is kind of strange in general. It's not bad but you have situations like Bastion where he absolutely dominates low level play, but is really weak in high level play when the other players understand how to play around him.
So, I don't know maybe Bastion is okay at an middling skill level? Overwatch seems to be shooting for this weird area where they focus on intermediate public play with strangers rather than high level balance. Which, is relevant in a game like OW. But, I think it makes more sense to just balance from competitive down and only touch pub balance if there's a serious problem.
Then again from the beta I really got the feeling that Blizzard is incapable of coming up with original ideas mechanically or aesthetically and they're desperately trying to cram all these disparate ideas together in a balanced way that ends up just being kind of a mediocre mess.
>There are people who honestly believe that Bastion is OP
>tfw really want to play Overwatch.
>tfw I know it can't possibly run on my toaster of a laptop.
I hate being a poorfag. I just want to be a neet again.
>>337310328
Racking up kills is how you win though. Its kinda weird they don't want to do TDM but KOTH is basically TDM because its just meat grinder shit.
>>337310278
Nah, doesn't solve his insane damage and self-heal is pretty shit anyways. It doesn't really offer him anything unless he plays solo. We could instead of just making him all Sentry focused, give Recon some kinda quirk so its not "Well I am Bastion, guess Ill sit in Sentry form constantly". Recon does a shitload of damage too.
>>337309372
Never said it didnt, I said you are more casual than the game :^)
>>337310068
Nah, blizz has actually put a line in the sand and basically said theyre focusing their balance changes based on the comp scene.
Only nerfs we'll probably see sometime soon are to McCree and Phara. The latter of which could be seen as a slight Bastion buff.
Buffs will come to people like Mei, who are consistently placed at the very bottom of every official tier list.
>>337309841
Certain maps should lend to certain play styles, in my opinion. That is why you have different maps.
>>337310146
Deflecting Bastion ends in Bastion taking a huge amount of damage. Bastion not firing results in no one taking damage. Genji can easiliy just walk out of sight after deflect ends or dash away. This isn't even factoring how Genji can flank easily with double jump, dash, and walk climb which should be your primary counter tactic. Why is /v/ so retarded?
>>337310801
>left click on genji once
>he reflects that one bullet back at you
>dashes back to spawn room in shame
Beep-Boop nothing personnel kid.
I went up against a very coordinated enemy team on Volskaya once. They were on defense, and took Bastion, Reinhardt, and Mercy. The Bastion and Mercy hunkered down in the little house near the first capture point as Reinhardt shielded them.
All I did was go Genji, dash through the shield, and wreck everyone behind it. We crushed them. My point is it comes down to skill, and not just picks & counter-picks.
>Play as Roadhog
>Never need to switch
I love Roadhog
>>337308638
I just got done playing this with a few friends, and we got into a discussion on why this game pisses us off so much less than overwatch did.
and we came to the conclusion that overwatch has a lot of bullshit that rewards no skill, literally a built in aim bot for a few people, while all of dirty bombs related skillsets require you to actually land them, or you can at least see coming and run
>shitters still shitting about bastion being op
ryu wa wagateki go fuck yourself
>>337311185
That wasn't your skill, that was them playing bad. They could have done the same strat but not in a tiny cubby were Bastion could probably not even see you over Mercy and Reinhardt
>haha just get behind his entire team and headshot him
>so easy
>>337310801
Bastion not firing ends with Bastion focusing on someone else for 2 seconds and then back to the Genji unless he retreated
if he retreated then the Bastion is doing his job
if he doesn't have cover then the Bastion rips him to shreds and is doing his job
and there is also the fact that your team should be focusing the Genji as well
and all of this is moot if you have a Reinhardt
>>337311467
>it comes down to skill
>that was them playing bad
Yes, they have no skill. Excellent reading.
>>337308670
This. I got to hear my buddies whine about Bastion during the entire open beta. They then watched me play a match with a competent team, ruin TWO fucking bastions camping. Afterward they got to see me get my shit pushed in when playing Bastion against a good enemy team.
He can be annoying but he destroys shitty players with no concept of hero switching or team comp. People will bitch though and it's not exclusive to this game. Fighters, Souls, etc. Just make excuses and beg for nerfs like a giant salty baby.
>>337308107
Doesn't your ultimate reset to 0 if you counter pick?
Why would a game where class changing is pivotal have a system that punishes class changing?
As for my personal opinions on Bastion, I think he honestly needs to be removed or completely redesigned.
He's not useful in comp play, he's not fun to fight against in general. Completely reworking him would only improve the game honestly
>>337311006
What is flanking?
>>337311675
I feel the same about Symmetra.
>>337311309
>literally a built in aim bot for a few people
>all of dirty bombs related skillsets require you to actually land them, or you can at least see coming and run
Open your fucking ears you deaf cunt. The "aimbot" ults you are talking about (Soldier 76 and McCree) have very distinct audio cues. If you hear "I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS" then break your line-of-sight with 76. If you hear "IT'S HIGH NOON." break your line-of-sight with McCree. Also, 76's ult only grants bodyshots.
>>337308214
Are you implying the constant Overwatch threads isn't enough proof?
>>337311675
>Why would a game where class changing is pivotal have a system that punishes class changing?
Because that would be fucking stupid?
>play tracer and annoy the shit out of other team and build your ult quick as dick
>switch to bastion
>transform into unstoppable tank that teamkill everything in sight
>go jump off a cliff or something and switch back to tracer
>repeat
could do it with any character with a strong, teamwiping ult.
>>337311309
Sounds like you guys are terrible.
>>337310681
>nerf Phara
Give her a functioning fucking ult instead
>>337311675
>Why would a game where class changing is pivotal have a system that punishes class changing?
Because then you'd just go Tracer, fill your gauge in 30 seconds then swap to a hero with a slow as fuck gauge like Zarya and use it.
>>337308107
>Using counterpicking as a lazy excuse for terrible balancing
Classic Blizzard. If they really wanted counterpicking to be an actual thing, they'd have to re-design the way ultimates work and charge up.
Besides, having the entire balance revolve around counterpicking's terrible and not fun in the slightest.
does his self-repair heal both his normal health and armor?
if he had low health and the rest armor which he could repair he might be balanced
>>337310681
>Only nerfs we'll probably see sometime soon are to McCree and Phara. The latter of which could be seen as a slight Bastion buff.
based on what?
>>337311706
A good way to find out what pussy on the chain wax means with my new friend the Roadhog main >>337311306
This teamwork shit is great ain't it?
>>337311830
You may not have time to break that line of sight if you don't know exactly where the enemy is. Good players will be somewhere high up and behind you.
>>337311675
>Doesn't your ultimate reset to 0 if you counter pick? Why would a game where class changing is pivotal have a system that punishes class changing?
Because people would choose a hero where it's easy to build ult charge, and then switch to a hero with a more beneficial ult that's slower to build up. It's a balance issue.
Example: I could build up a quick ult charge by healing with Mercy, and then switch off to Symmetra and place a teleporter. I could do this every time a teleporter goes down. Blizzard doesn't want teleporters charging and being placed that fast.
I'm a fucking casual baby that owns a Wii U for party games and plays phone games between Final Fantasy XIV loading screens.
Anyone who thinks Bastion is OP needs to climb back into their mother's womb.
>team full of Bastions
>entire team having to switch your character for ONE FUCKING CHARACTER
Not to mention Bastion can fucking snipe in turret mode raping Widow/Hanzo, and lol'd at recommending Genji because anyone that gets too close is dead in a literal second.
Blizzard proving themselves to be masters of balance as usual.
>>337311914
But ults in general, specifically Utility based ults are such a pivotal part of defense. Even if you goo the counter pick, he'll just own you with his full ult meter. But you raise a strong point, ults in OW are extremely unbalanced.
>>337311567
If Genji is flanking, like he should, Bastion isn't focusing on someone else as his life is in danger.
What if Bastion's turret had a slight delay in aiming? As in, he can no longer instantly snap to your mouse.
>>337312253
>Not to mention Bastion can fucking snipe in turret mode raping Widow/Hanzo
laughably untrue
you can corner poke and fire faster than anyone can react as hanzo
>>337312201
Be aware of your surroundings. There's omnidirectional sound too...just look toward where the sound is coming from. Sound play a massive role in Overwatch. You can even identify a hero based on their footsteps. Each hero has a unique footstep sound.
>>337308107
Bastion shouldn't be able to turn into a turret and start hitting me before he dies
If he is taking damage he shouldn't even be able to turn into a turret ffs
>>337312132
They're dominating the competitive scene at the moment.
Especially McCree.
They didn't realize how much of a ranged powerhouse they made with their close-quarters duelist.
>>337312330
i think a good nerf would be to slow his firing speed of his turret. He's a good casual filter though.
>>337308476
>I bet you are to casual to beat level 100 of candy crush saga
This is how you sound
>>337308107
All they need to do is make Reinhardt's shield lose health continuously while it's out. The only problem with Bastion is when there's a teammate blocking for him otherwise he's ez.
>>337312382
That's great but as soon as Bastion knows he's getting shot at from peekers he's going to get the fuck away and reposition. Also remember Widow and Hanzo cannot one-shot Bastion.
You're also forgetting that you have to resort to peeking to counter one character that excels at everything. His damage is far too great and too far ranges.
>>337308232
Has to be. I said the exact same thing the other day.
JUST FUCK HIM UP WITH JUNKRAT IT'S NOT THAT HARD
>>337308842
Why do you have face on your head
>>337312541
Are you nuts? Just keep hitting his shield. It will break eventually and takes a good amount of time to charge back up. They key is to do the opposite of what your brain tells you to do. Don't stop firing just because the shield is preventing you from hitting your target. Wail on the shield until you smash that fucker into a million pieces.
>people STILL can't win every game as the jumping Bastion
YOU CAN SET UP
IN
MIDAIR
AMBUSH
PREDATOR
>>337312624
>guy gets to play his favorite character and win all the time
>forced to change to a character you don't like just to beat him
>still don't beat him half the time
no
Anyone got that article excerpt talking about McCree, Baston and Phara balancing wise?
>>337312618
just wait for him to run out of ammo and fire
he'll be forced to move or die then
and if he's only looking at you then you've nullified him
>>337312624
you mean hanzo/widowmaker
>People still assuming its a 1v1 situation with a bastion
If you are playing shitter bastions, yes
>>337312742
A good Bastion player has to worry about none of this. Bastion does not have weaknesses currently given how much damage he does without his ult. He will be fine when they tone his damage down.
>Playing Reinhardt.
>Turtle my team up to the objective.
>Charge Mercy into the wall. Dead.
>Charge causes a Tracer to fly off the cliff. Dead.
>Turn immediately.
>Shield.
>Roadhog's Hook bounces off me.
>Fire Strike him. He retreats.
>Smack Soldier off ledge. Dead.
>Roadhog and McCree come running back around the corner. Ulti. Take out McCree.
>Teammate whittles down Roadhog.
>Slap Roadhog. Dead.
All this happens in 8-12 seconds.
I think... "Holy shit, I gotta get PotG for that."
End of the game, cuts to the Bastion on my team going turret-mode on 4 of them exiting spawn at the start of the round.
Why.
>>337312742
>just wait for him to run out of ammo and fire
He can pop out of turrent mode in literally 0.4 seconds, when he's defenseless due to a reload, he can take off instantly for cover.
>>337312675
>shoot at shield
>bastion kills you
Unless you're junkrat, pharah or a sniper, that shit won't work if they're in a good spot.
>>337312039
Her alt is good if you sneak up on a group. Otherwise, you just get BTFO if you try to use it from the front.
>>337312087
Literally almost every hero can counter Bastion.
>One of my mains is Genji
>Still think he needs to be nerfed
As hilarious as it is to bait them into killing themselves on me, it's pretty stupid how fast his damage output is.
>>337308107
>Blizzard trying to push Overwatch as an E-Sport
>E-Sport teams do not like hero switching mid game and many hate the hero stacking meta
>Blizzard does nothing to address this
And then they'll wonder why Overwatch has no E-Sports presence months from now.
Buff D.Va mech damage.
I feel like the mech is just fodder to get in close and finish people off with a pistol ffs.
Also mech dies incredibly fast.
>>337312924
You do realize the shield takes damage, regardless of where you hit it? I literally sat behind a corner shooting the top right chunk of Reinhardt's shield for a solid 20 seconds. He never even came near me.
>>337312967
I'm not talking about Bastion in specific, just the overall mindset of Blizzard's that counterpicking and switching heroes is a main part of the game.
ITT: LoL Shitters.
>>337313026
I think getting rid of the movement penalty while firing would be enough.
>>337308878
Then what are the point of classes in any game?
>>337312838
Bastions weakness is team coordination.
Otherwise, you're right. All these people giving examples about how to kill the baddies that make up 95% is the player population don't get that an actually decent Bastion player can nullify or dampen pretty much all of his weaknesses in pub matches.
You shouldn't have to switch classes just to deal with one opponent. Someone on your team should be able to counter them without picking a direct counter. The key word being should.
TF2 for example, yes a spy is a very direct sniper and engineer counter, but by no means is he the only or the best option to counter them.
>>337312716
If you're just going to sit on your favorite character the whole game then you get absolutely not right to complain about the ultimate outcome.
Like really it's fine if you do that it's a game (don't do this in ranked though) But it's like complaining that you losing in a fighting game while refusing to block.
>>337313156
Well that's good, because half of the cast can counter Bastion
>>337308878
t. battle medic
>>337312416
>competitive scene
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
no
Blizzard literally took the ranked competitive playlist out of the game. Even they know a game where you can change heroes at any time will never be competetive.
Its a fun casual game and that will be all it ever is
>>337313059
If his entire team just let you shoot at his shield for a half minute then good for you but usually that isn't the case.
>>337312703
>Jump off a high ledge and transform
>Already fully changed by the time I come into the enemies view
>That obvious panicked confusion
It never gets old.
>>337312861
Literally every game.
>>337308107
How is it hard to avoid running into a fixed turret if you know full well you have a Bastion on the enemy team.
Is this just a case of the playerbase not giving a shit and running into the enemy team expecting not to get fucked while not having any forethought? Is it really just people throwing caution to the wind and getting angry when they get shat on? It can't just be simple stupidity... can it?
>>337313229
Bastion isn't the only hero in the game. Why do you keep replying to everything with ''hurr bastion''?
>>337312924
If it's a Reinhardt shielding a Bastion, you have options:
You can go D.Va and push Reinhardt out of the way and slap Bastion's tender ass with your shotguns. Block his fire with your Matrix.
You can go Genji and dask behind the shield and reflect Bastion's fire back onto him. If he doesn't fire just right-click him to death.
You can go Tracer and ult them both.
You can try to sneak up Behind them both as Reaper.
Or you could, ya know, try to get your team to work together like they're supposed to and collectively push their shit in.
>>337313250
cool meme
they are simply working on the mode more and releasing it again later
>>337309084
Lucio's a great counter against camping Torb and Bastion because he can go really fucking fast and has respectable damage.
>>337313270
People are fucking retarded.
During the Beta I had an average of 31 Eliminations/game as Bastion in four hours played.
He's an incredibly effective skirmisher and ambush character, not the idiotic stationary turret class that everyone tries to use him as.
Bastion just doesn't have enough counters. He has a few characters that shit on him but then he shits on the other 80% of the cast.
Blizzard trying to say that Genji somehow beats Bastion which requires the Bastion to fire directly into his reflect is retarded and if he somehow gets close Bastion just spins around and instantly kills him like he does against Tracer if she is fighting him without her bomb
>>337313108
>team coordination
You can be playing with literal monkeys and succeed with Bastion right now. Actually, it's even better that you do, because the more people throwing bodies at the enemy takes the heat off of you, letting you destroy everyone.
As I mentioned before, the problem is definitely his damage, but more specifically his damage at range. He should be a close ranged fighter. He shouldn't do nearly as much damage as he's capable of at long ranges. He can literally sit in the back of the bus and destroy everyone coming through a chokepoint miles ahead.
>>337313281
no it's that the game modes require you to move past a checkpoint to advance the objective
>>337313250
>THIS GAME WON'T BE COMPETITIVE BECAUSE I SAID SO AND POSTED A REACTION IMAGE
>>337312253
Unless you're trying to W+M1 Bastion can't do shit to Genji.
>>337313419
Like half the cast can shit on Bastion
>>337312716
But this is wrong.
>>guy gets to play his favorite character and win all the time
More like
>guy plays his favorite character and gets countered all the time, so his team starts bullying him for his poor pick choices.
Bastion will quickly become like Widow, and make bad players look terrible, but good players look great.
>>337313275
Literally every fucking game, man.
The only fix Bastion needs is him getting POTG for just sitting there. They're supposed to be amazing feats
>>337313281
>game is objective based
>you HAVE to get on that point to win
>hurdur dont go on the point
Yes he is counterable
But his hard counter genji is squishy as hell and will get killed by the rest of his team
>>337313587
No, Play of the Game is determined by getting the most amount of heat(that bar underneath your health bar) in a certain amount of time
Of course Bastion gets POTG when a bunch of tardos walk single-file into his line of sight
>>337313453
It won't be competitive. Neo-Blizzard is not good at making competitive games.
HotS is like Super Smash Blizzard Bros., WoW Arena has been a fucking joke since its inception, Hearthstone is is RNG: The Card Game, and Starcraft 2 has almost been completely abandoned by Korea if Blizzard hadn't forced them to play it.
I play Mcree and counter fucking everyone.
Protip idiots, if I run behind a corner, and you chase me, you are going to get stunned and shot 12 times. Mostly in the face.
and anyone can counter a bastion, Become more proficient at the game.
>>337313745
>It won't be competitive.
Tell that to the tournament scene that was going on in closed beta
>>337313587
>park self on top of the payload
>just sit there as it chugs forward and you mow down anything that comes into view
>get potg
feels good
>>337313441
>You can be playing with literal monkeys
I meant the enemy team. If the enemy team is actually some semblance of coordinated Bastion suddenly sucks massive ass.
Bastion doesn't need nerfs. He doesn't need buffs either. He needs his mechanics changed around. For the third time. He dominates pubs hard if the Bastion player isn't 100% shit, but against actual not-pubbie teamwork, his effectiveness drops off a cliff.
Just buffing or nerfing him would be equally stupid.
>>337313745
but smash is competetive...
>>337312283
How is genji flanking a Bastion that's sitting in a corner facing the only direction people can come from?
Bastion is a pick for shitty players
Genji is a counterpick to deal with shit bastions, a Bastion that has a bit of trigger discipline will not die to the parry because he'll never fire a shot at it
I prefer to go junk rat to deal with him most of the time, unless I know they're stupid and will shoot at me when parrying.
>>337313570
I play as Bastion pretty frequently, have since launch of beta because I like the whole RAcast thing.
There isn't anyone I've felt threatened by. I suppose if you're a garbage player you have to worry about snipers and other "counters", but I never have to.
>>337313453
Explain how this game is in any way competitive.
Blizzard removed their competitive mode
I think that speaks volumes
>>337313834
Just because there's a "tournament scene" doesn't make it a competitive game. There's a tournament scene for fucking Monopoly.
>>337313867
>playing escort as reinhardt
>bastion gets on the payload
>stand next to him and shield him
>mercy healing us/giving damage boosts to bastion
>>337313441
>You can be playing with literal monkeys and succeed with Bastion right now.
Lol, nah. Half the roster slaps Bastion's shit when trying to carry. He needs one other to actually become a threat.
>>337313349
/thread
ya'll are casual niggers
>>337309195
or just spend ult then switch character after that death.
jesus, do you want the meta to be play a character with quick ult building then switch to another character to abuse it?
Kids on this board can't even think 2 steps ahead let alone 1.
>>337313916
They removed it because it had to be worked on. The game isn't even out yet you autist. They don't want to do what they did in HotS and release a competetive mode before it's fully polished.
It's pretty easy to counter
but don't trust on your team they're pretty fucking dumbs
just change to a widow, phara or genji if you see your team are a bunch of casual faggots who don't know what they're doing
>>337313967
>just because people are competing, doesn't mean a game is competitive
Actually that's exactly what it means, dipshit
>>337313208
>But it's like complaining that you losing in a fighting game while refusing to block.
>implying filename isn't trueJoking aside, I wonder how far into ranked will people stop being scrubs and start countering and playing off each other's classes instead of picking "their main".
>>337313879
>but smash is competetive...
The argument that a good Bastion won't be taken out by his alleged counterpicks is fucking retarded because it's built on an assumption that the Bastion player is significantly better than say, the Genji player.
When you just examine their tools and options, it's fucking obvious that Bastion should lose any time the two players are close to equal in skill. All the responses given for how a Bastion fights a Genji are built on an assumption that the Genji does something retarded, like wasting his deflect or entering from an open distance.
If you delay your fire, you take damage.
If you stagger your fire, Genji gets one free attack off which drops you low enough for him to instantly kill you. He doesn't even need the free projectile if he succeeds in deflecting the initial burst.
If you reposition, Genji has superior options on chasing and movement.
A similar case can be made for the other traditional Bastion counters.
While we're on this, Bastion/Reinhardt shits over Genji but it's a given that two characters should beat one character in most situations so that's fucking retarded as well. The amount of two-character counters to Bastion/Reinhardt is exponentially bigger than the amount of one-character Bastion counters. Counter-picking being retarded or not is another issue entirely, but the arguments here are fucking stupid.
>>337313990
>this denial
>>337313807
Mei is worse.
It's like if Mcree was magically capable of doubling your respawn timer if he wombo combos you.
>>337313916
>Blizzard removed their competitive mode
They just disabled it for the open beta because it was going to be wiped in a week anyways
>>337314060
A good Bastion that can aim will murder Genji unless he gets the jump on him with his ult. If we're talking about no-ults, then a good Bastion will kill a great Genji every time.
>>337308107
>bastion used to have a shield
>however he couldn't turn 360 degrees to blast people in the face who actually get behind him
honestly that's the problem, not his firepower, but the fact that he can just swivel around and blast anyone in the face who actually gets behind him.
>>337313916
>competitive ranked mode before the game even releases
They tried this with HotS and it was a fucking mess.
>>337313834
You mean the tournament scene FILLED with cheaters?
Top zozzle faggot.
>>337313880
>How is genji flanking a Bastion that's sitting in a corner facing the only direction people can come from?
What map allows that?
One time the enemy team had two Bastions who were shitting all over my team. I switched to D.Va and visciously murdered them both. We won, and I got PotG. Feels good man.
How the fuck do I counter Reinhardt besides just blasting away at his shield? I typically play Lucio and I feel like I'm not doing shit when I see him. I can dodge him and punish his charge but if he just shields I pretty much have to wait it out.
>>337314028
All characters should still be somewhat viable regardless of the situation.
The analogy would be better like "Fighting game character X you play is hard countered by Y meaning if you ever pick X he'll always pick Y and you'll lose"
I shouldn't have to counterpick just to win, and they shouldn't be allowed to counterpick just to beat me..
>>337308946
I got to level 30 and he was still prevalent. The problem was that people refused to switch characters, even for a few minutes, to deal with his shit and make progress in the match.
>>337313976
>3 Reinhardts
>2 Bastions
>1 Mercy
gg payload
>>337311675
ult buildup should be character specific and not reset when switching characters.
>play character
>build up ult to 70%
>switch to counter character
>finish countering
>switch back to original character
>ult is still at 70%
easy
>"Hero switching is a core part of the game!"
>Too lazy to balance your shit so you give that excuse
>>337314134
Again, flanking.
>>337313807
>>337314079
These two are definitely the characters I'm afraid of, I've seen a few people complain about Mei but I'm shocked no one ever bitches about McCree. His m1 doesn't seem to have any falloff and his m2 kills virtually everything in the game in under a second even if you miss some shots. To make matters worse, it's virtually impossible to muscle a good one out with his two utility options if you don't get the jump first. The stun's fucking ridiculous.
>>337314151
Bastion had a bunch of other changes as well after losing those two things. Originally he was complete garbage tier.
Bringing the shield and 180 degrees view range back could work out because now the sentry from isn't the worst fucking thing ever anymore, and it doesn't take half the match to switch forms.
>>337314434
If Genji gets the jump he definitely has a chance. If Genji gets the jump then that Bastion is shit and deserves to die anyway. He's literally a character designed to take a defensive position and cover all sides.
Also remember Bastion's close range damage is almost instant-kill if he actually gets a chance to shoot at Genji. Genji's damage is much lower.
>>337314327
Shields only block gunfire and explosions and shit. There's nothing stopping you from walking behind it and blasting him in the face out of the way as Lucio.
As Mei I just do the same thing.
>walk up to him
>he keeps his shield up
>go behind shield and freeze him
>>337308443
Is Kaplan the faggot who mained a warrior in wow?
>>337314327
Lucio can't do much against a Reinhardt. You're a support character, remember? If you can't break his shield, just run right through it behind him. He will either have to turn around and shield himself against you, thus exposing his ass to the rest of your team...or keep his shield up toward your team and let you gingerly finger his anus. OR he will be smart and start swinging his hammer at you. Either way, he's taking damage.
I dont like overwatch because constantly switching classes isnt fun
>>337314547
Genji deflects a couple bullets and the bastion's dead, remember that deflected projectiles deal more damage
>>337314134
A Bastion that can aim can still never answer Genji's deflection. Any scenario where you propose that you can bait out the deflect creates the counter-scenario where-in he doesn't fall for the bait. Except every time this exchange happens with neither side biting, Genji gets free damage in and Bastion doesn't.
This argument is fucking retarded, it proposes hypotheticals without any regards to game mechanics. You could refit the same argument to any match-up in the game and it doesn't get anywhere. It's like saying that McCree should always beat Widowmaker because he can dodge her shots, which magically assumes the Widowmaker has to be fucking awful.
>>337314079
>Mei is worse.
No.
>shitters actually whining about Bastion
But guys, I thought this game was so easy and casual? Why are you all struggling against bottom-tier heroes like Bastion and Mei?
>Playing overhype
>>337308550
If countered those before all I did was flank and the reinhardt never knew but the bastion reacted and tried to shoot me dead... Good thing I main genji
>>337314639
>proposes hyptheticals
Which is exactly what Blizzard is doing. They say those characters counter Bastion. They don't if the Bastion is good. His damage is too high. End of story.
>>337314392
>6 kamikaze D.Va's
enjoy the pain
>>337314547
>If Genji gets the jump then that Bastion is shit and deserves to die anyway.
Genji is going to get the jump. There's nothing Bastion can do about it other than have a Widowmaker or Torb on the team to assist his awareness. But again, that comes back to Bastion needing to be babysat.
is Taco bell not doing their overwatch promotion anymore or what
>want some taco bell on my lunch break
>order a combo with a large drink
>get a regular cup
>no overwatch anything on my of what I have
>>337308107
>people mad that their shitty waifu get BTFO by Bastion
The big problem with Bastion is not only won't your teammates not change to help you out (or seize the opportunity to move along once you pounce on the Bastion and wreck his shit), but that the Bastion is often played in gimmick set-ups.
Hell, I can't tell you how many times I've had to deal with gimmicky shit revolving around 'protect the Bastion!'
Then again, that too rolls right back to the initial problem: NOBODY FUCKING SWITCHES CHARACTERS.
>flank Bastion
>get sniped
>go after sniper as Winston or something
>wreck their shit
>get gunned down by Bastion
>team STILL won't respond to the fact that one or two of the enemy team is tied up dealing with ME
>>337314547
Genji's damage rotation is about 160 damage in half a second. He can literally cancel out of his deflect and kill a Bastion before if he deflects a single click of Bastion's rounds.
>>337314591
Yes
>>337314695
tbqh fampai I only played it because the beta was totally free and I really enjoyed it. Expected it to be a total snoozefest and was pleasantly surprised.
>>337314749
>There's nothing Bastion can do about it other than have a Widowmaker or Torb on the team to assist his awareness
Or you know, turn around and shoot Genji in his gay face.
This is assuming his reflect is on cooldown of course.
>>337314848
I really enjoy you
As a casual open beta shitter, my biggest problem with him is just his effective range. Yeah I get it, nigga plants himself down, he needs to be able to defend himself, sure, let him be good at medium range, but when he can fire back at snipers and kill them, that's some dumb shit. Imagine a heavy in TF2 actually killing a sniper with his minigun, it's absolutely madness.
Also I blame the maps mostly. He's cake to mess with on payloads, but a lot of the capture point maps don't have enough alternate paths and he can just dominate the main entrance with impunity, at least in the pub trash I've played on.
>>337314060
>Genji being able to lower Bastions health enough to instakill him in a straight up fight before getting smeared
Where exactly are you pulling that out of? Genji has to do 200 armour damage to Bastion and needs to be in melee range to do the instant kill combo. Reflecting a single shot back at him isn't going to cut it, and a Genji who isn't back in cover when the reflect ends dies instantly.
Bastion also stomps Genji in recon mode. Bastion stomps every flanker in recon mode. That smg does more damage then Soldier 76's rifle.
>>337314826
That's why going solo queue is a nightmare if you are actually trying to play kind of seriously
>>337314880
See, you're making a lot of negative assumptions about Genji to bolster Bastion's odds when it clear who the advantage goes to.
>>337314880
You're also forgetting how Genji has to actually get past all of the enemy team to flank him, if he's even in a position that's easy to flank. Not to mention once Genji kills Bastion, if he does, he's fucking dead by the rest of the enemy team after being spotted.
Might as well just play D.Va and jihad mech his ass.
>>337314728
And if the other is good then they counter the Bastion.
Assume the Bastion stops firing when it sees the Genji. Assume the Genji is smart and doesn't Deflect. Why would that make Bastion the winner?
>>337314327
>I typically play Lucio and I feel like I'm not doing shit when I see him
I wonder why
>>337314327
If you're playing against a Rein that holds M2 down at all times, use Symmetra. Her charge shots go through shields 100% and those fully charged orbs HURT.
>>337308842
Someone post that video where two guys are perpetually teleporting behind one another but name it "overwatch.[filetype]"
>>337309195
yes but an ult wont win the game so you have to switch regardless. i bet you're the type who uses his ult immediately and wastes it because he spazzes that his ult isn't charging up
>>337308107
>go long range to slowly ping at Bastion
>doesn't matter because there's no falloff or range on Bastion's turret so all you're doing is choosing a lower HP class
>doesn't matter because you can't get a shot on him due to choke point based map design
>doesn't matter because he's got a Reinhardt and Mercy sitting with him
>doesn't matter because you're being attacked and occupied by the other five players
I love Bastion's design but from a gameplay perspective he is kind of a hack.
>>337315108
Don't hate the sound gun my dude, it's solid damage.
>>337315072
Bastion takes zero wind up time and get headshot crits.
one of those things needs to chagne
>>337315162
dude just play genji man get up in bastion's face and kill him LOL
>>337315109
How much damage does Symmetra's fully charged alt fire do?
also it pierces through multiple people doesn't it
