I am the worst and least picked character in competitive Overwatch but /v/ still want to see me nerfed.
Casual filter?
This guy was never hard to kill to begin with in the open beta. (IMO)
>>337277492
>Bastion is a casual filter
This is actually a good way of looking at it.
>>337277492
People's problem with him was that he murdered your entire team of fucking scrubs while pubbing.
I didn't see anybody bother to counter pick or even watch fucking corners before level 20+
only fags use bastion.
Fuck that torret form.
Widowmaker is the only OP character, Pharah needs a buff and Mcree needs a complete rework. Fight me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXo5LAbOoE8
>implying bastion isn't top tier
>>337278779
How the FUCK is Widowmaker OP?
McCree is great, by the way.
>>337277492
Im fine with him
but they should nerf his POTG procurement rate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiMJ-s4T16M&feature=youtu.be
>>337277492
>I am the worst and least picked character in competitive Overwatch
Shit /v/ says.
Bastion is op 1 single move in out of all characters can counter him holding a bottleneck.
>>337277492
>The devs who failed to balance WoW correctly for over 10 years said he's not overpowered
>The competitive scene of a MODERN BLIZZARD game doesn't pick him, clearly he must suck
If those things don't tell you that he IS overpowered as all fuck, you haven't been paying any fucking attention to video games for a long, long, long time.
>Implying Overmeme can be competitive
>>337278873
>frenchman being a faggot
>>337278645
Basically this
Once I got into 20+
Saw only a few
And those who did play got stopped quickly
>>337278880
She has the highest skill ceiling and potential for good players and her ult is insane.
>>337278591
Thing is casual are majority so he will probably get nerfed or remade or some shit lol
>competitive overwatch
shit gets funnier every time i read it. A game full of spray and pray characters with "press q to win" is going to be competitive. kek.
>Competitive Overwatch
>>337278880
Can completely shut an entire team down by herself, does damage equal to 76 on close range and gives the entire team WH, making it near impossible to flank or push half the game. Every high rank team plays with one at all time.
Mcree is supposed to be a mid-long range character. He's entirely built for aiming well and should reward doing so. Right now the damage drop-off for range is ridiculous, and it takes at least 5 hits to take any enemy down at range. This was a complete fuck-up nerf. Instead he's way too good on close range and requires close to no skill at all. roll, flash and rmb -> repeat. Nothing the enemy can do about it. 100% kill and you can't fuck it up. His left click isn't that viable, while his right click is too good. It was supposed to be the other way around. They nerfed the aiming aspect and made him a 3-button combo character. Should increase his range and nerf his close game.
They're really easy to kill. Just remember that any situation where a widowmaker/hanzo is going to kill the shit out of you, the same goes for bastion. Only bastion can't move once you get around to him, so he just dies.
>>337277492
>noob beta testers who don't know how to outplay him yet get roflstomped by him
>pro scene people who got access to the earlier beta and know how to outplay him crush him to worthlessness
Yep, Bastion is there for casuals to gun down other casuals.
The anons saying Overwatch can't be competitive are probably the same ones that said that about TF2.
And look how that turned out.
>>337277492
Frankly people don't pick him much but when they do it's usually annoying (if he's on the enemy team of course). I think Bastion will be fine if they increase his turret transformation time.
>>337279337
Her ult is handy but nowhere near as obnoxious as Reaper's or Hanzo's teamwiper.
Having a high skill ceiling does not make a character OP. To the contrary, if she's devastating with a good player but mediocre with a bad/unskilled player then that's perfectly balanced.
>>337279387
>press q to win
Look at literally any MOBA.
>>337279402
Considering there are autistic people who get together every year to speed run games and have a fairly large following I don't see why Overwatch couldn't have a competitive scene.
>Competitive Overwatch
I can just imagine someone spectating a s76 as he uses his aimbot to down 3 players. How much money will they pump into this garbage game to create a viewerbase
>>337277492
I've said it before and I'll say it a million times if I have to:
Bastion himself isn't a problem.
Bastion together with a competent team distracting the enemy is the problem. Watch any Bastion PotG and you'll see 90% of them have Bastion's teammates distracting the enemy, so they don't realize they're being vaporized by Bastion until it's too late. A few classes hard counter Bastion, and I mean HARD (specifically Genji, Roadhog, and in many cases, if they can get line of sight on Bastion far enough away to avoid being pestered by the enemy team, Widowmaker, McCree, Soldier 76 and Hanzo. Hell, I've killed Bastion on several occasions playing Lucio and Zenyatta, and I had no business doing so.
All of those classes are capable of handling Bastion in most situations.
When you see Bastion mowing down entire oblivious enemy teams, it's because the enemy team is absolutely that: oblivious.
>>337278779
ok
>Widowmaker is the only OP character
Not at all, she's just super easy to use and has an amazing kit for a sniper. However, she has little health, a very situation escape option (at best she can get away, most times she just delays the inevitable) and a lot of maps don't allow her to find a safe place to snipe.
>Pharah needs a buff
agreed
>Mcree needs a complete rework
Kind of, they need to decide if he is long range or close combat. If they decide long range they need to re-work his shift and e. If they want to keep him short range they need to shorten his weapon range for his regular attack but make his ult more powerful.
junkrat is secret OP
>>337277492
>It's another ''I'm only pretending to be retarded'' episode
Worst board.
Would making widowmakers ult give only her wallhack (as opposed to the entire team) be a fair nerf? Just throwing it out there.
>>337280014
It would make it fucking useless.
Giving it to teammates in a large AoE centered on her would be fine though.
>>337280014
that just punishes people who aren't playing with voice comms, hanzo would just be straight up a better pick in solo play
>>337280121
It'd be even more useless like that.
Widowmaker's ult is fine, you just need to have someone dedicated (or at least attentive) to countering a Widowmaker.
>Surprise placing yourself on an advantage point
>Entire enemy team is dead
>Somehow this isn't viable in """""""""""""""""""""""COMPETITIVE"""""""""""""""""""""""
Then they must be a joke of """""""""""""players""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>337280014
you'd hear the same complaints the TF2 sniper gets. Why isn't the sniper helping us!? What is he even doing?!?!!?
>>337280273
So giving it to nearby teammates and her instead of just giving it to her would make it even more useless?
How so?
>>337280332
It's as if maybe this 0 mobility hero is extremely vulnerable to certain tactics.
>>337279568
>Her ult is handy but nowhere near as obnoxious as Reaper's or Hanzo's teamwiper.
Death Blossom is very vulnerable to focus fire or simply not being grouped, and Hanzo ult requires you to play a worse Widowmaker.
>Having a high skill ceiling does not make a character OP
It does if almost everyone elses skill ceiling is low.
>if she's devastating with a good player but mediocre with a bad/unskilled player then that's perfectly balanced.
You don't balance around bad players if you want a game to be competitive.
>>337280332
>entire enemy team is dead
If they're braindead. Any fairly mobile character destroys him. As do Roadhog and D.Va.
>>337277492
thats not zenyatta
>>337280539
You balance it around characters that are monstrous if used by good players.
Tracer, Widowmaker, and Lucio are all great examples.
>>337279069
>I don't suck guys, it's just Blizzard's fault!!
I know that's a bullshit statement just for the "he's not viable"
His transform is lightning fast adn then you have a super killing range an zone that no tank can even withstand.
>YYYYYOOU JUST PICK GENJI AND SOMEHOW HE DED
THat doesn't happen like that. Also any half brained player would just reposition to another spot with Bastion and surprise again the pushers with his TRILLION BULLETS A SECOND AND THE 0.5 TIME TO KILL AN ENEMY AND HIS ENTIRE ASCENDANCY.
>>337280603
when people stop looking at him like a support and start looking at him like a the murder machine (with a heal) that he is, shit is gonna get real
>>337277492
>competitive Overwatch
>>337279515
>And look how that turned out.
2 Scouts, 2 Soldiers, Demo and Medic.
Tf2 comp needs desperate reworking m8.
>>337279616
you know what would be even less retarded?
competitive overwatch porn creation
now that's a competition i wanna watch
>>337279801
>secret
>>337279568
Both those ults can be played around or countered, no such thing with Widowmaker. Also, depending on map layouts her counters get fucked because the only way to approach her is sometimes through plain sight, leaving any chance of even challenging Widowmaker at all at her skill level. A defensive Widowmaker with a Reinhardt also stops another Widowmaker from outskilling or outmaneuvering the opposition, leaving the only play to be had to be outnumbering the opposition on defense rather than trying to counterplay it, more often than not dooming it to fail it's attack unless the team spews out ults left and right, fucking them over in the long term, unless it's on the last objective or final stretch on payload/king of the hill.
>>337278873
>mud languages
dropped
>>337280727
>no tank can even withstand
Roadhog makes Bastion eat shit.
>>337280570
>>337280489
If the Bastion kills 2 players before he gets killed himself he's good to the team. In fact he WILL kill at least one with his tremendous damage on a VERY long distance. You cannot miss a kill. You will kill someone. Just don't stand in the same spot overlong like a retard.
Also somehow everyone forgets the other 5 clowns wanking around you as if they weren't as much of a threat/defense to Bastion.
The mongoloid robot deals more damage per second than some Ults. Don't say stupid things. He's not underpowered by any means.
>>337279337
>Widow
>High skill ceiling
Literally all you do it shoot heads and use wallhacks.
Remember when League of Legends failed to be a competitive game, because a few retarded Dota players on /v/ said so?
Me neither
TF2 players are just the new Dotards
>>337280727
You can easily counter Bastion by not being a bad player. Map knowledge and player competency is going to be a big plus for bastion counter, not just Genji.
Once people get to live and actually get to play the game more, the Bastions will be easier to deal with.
>>337280369
Well... WHAT THE FUCK IS THE SNIPER DOING? He is not helping us nor he is getting the intel, puhing the car or capping the point.
Fuck Snipers.
>>337280727
>entering an objective location
>Not keeping an eye out for possible people lurking in corners
You deserve to die if you just run onto the point without considering the possibility that there could be people wait to stop you from getting to the point.
Seriously, do people not understand the concept of peeking?
>Approach point
>strafe around a corner and duck back
>See bastion being a little bitch
>proceed to use indirect fire/shielding/reflection to kill him
/v/ is just full of people that don't know how to play video games these days.
>>337281149
A single sniper can be useful.
Hell in tf2 maybe even 2 snipers can be useful.
Any more than that is most likely dead weight, and with a team limit of 6 in overwatch having a third of it be snipers is horrid
so is widowmaker is hard to play?
>>337281358
The only place for 2 sniper characters in Overwatch on a team is:
-if they have too many slow tanks
-if they have too many slow tanks + a Zenyatta
-if they have a Pharah so you can shoot her out of the sky and cum on your keyboard
>>337279616
>How much money DID they pump into this garbage game to create a viewerbase
Past tense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrWWapPUkeI
Devs nowadays think you need to have a pseudo comp scene before release to be a successful game. Shit is more advertising than anything else. They did the same with HoTs
We want the Twitch audience.
>Play Genji
>Make Bastions hate life
So good.
He still needs a nerf though, a zero spread shot is bullshit for how fast it shoots.
>>337280727
And a good Genji will immediately find the Bastion again and make their life hell.
And before you say "Oh just don't shoot", it takes only half a second for a Bastion to all but kill themselves on a deflect and Genji can easily follow up with a few shuriken.
>>337281149
Exactly. See at least if widow uses her ult it shows that she is helping the team and it implies that she got enough kills to even use her ult.
>>337281457
she's the easiest sniper I've ever encountered in video games
>>337281078
he is underpowered because there are better heros to pick
Are you saying you are good at overwatch? So good that you can confidently say you know what you are talking about?
>>337281097
That skill ceiling is still a hell of a lot higher than aimbots, aoes, stuns and resets.
>>337281149
hopefully one-shotting bitches that don't even come into your LOS.
that being said a bad widow is like having 1 player less
>People being mad about a character focused on area denial doing its fucking job
>>337281457
easy to play. Hard to play well.
I AWP at global level in CS, so Widow is easy as holy fuck for me. Could completely shut teams down at level 30-40. Desperately needs a nerf.
McCree isn't worth it
He's hard as fuck to play compared to someone like Pharah and is only better if you catch someone with a flashbang
Genji's reflect should have it's cooldown reduced based on damage dealt.
If you kill someone with it, it should come back at least twice as fast as it typically does.fite me
>>337281457
if the entire enemy team plays her hard counters, then you'll need your team to back you up.
>>337281562
that's fine and all but compared to the other chars in overwatch?
I'm a retard and this is my babby's first shooter.
I'm trying really hard to be a good one but everybody else seems to be easier to play, so maybe it's not a good idea for a total noob to try and snipe
>>>337279616
>I can just imagine someone spectating a s76 as he uses his aimbot to down 3 players.
more like 0 players since they're all smart enough to hide behind a wall/Reinhardt
By smart I mean not mindless apes
>>337281819
if you actually try to play him, like aim and other nerd shit, then yes, he's not super easy. Just stun, fan, roll, fan; like everybody else does.
>>337279484
This
I am tired of McCree being a gimmick cooldown character already. I want to pick people off mid-long range by playing well
>>337281746
>Hard to play well.
How exactly? Slow shots are encouraged by charging, and she has can instantly switch to auto rifle. No viewshake on hit, absolutely no recoil and a fire-rate that is faster than CoD auto snipers. Oh and she has a fucking Wallhack legitimately.
Like any hero in the game she is the easiest of it's kind to play with a skill ceiling a gnome would hit his head on.
>>337282039
I would rather play genji and Right click, melee, shift and kill most characters or at least 75% then and then pick them off as they panic about their health suddenly just vanishing.
Not to mention no one ever watches above them and I LOVE to wall run up places and ambush people while they curse at me for playing the character right.
>"WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU COME FROM YOU FAGGOT?"
The wall, you dicklick.
>>337282039
I hate doing that though
Sure I can get an auto kill on a squishy every 20 seconds with the combo but I want to actually stay in battles
I find myself sneaking behind enemy lines and stunning+RMB over and over which feels shitty when you're playing a gunslinger
>>337281958
you do actually have to aim with widow and that might be a bit much for a lot of people. What I'm saying is you do need to practice with her, to get good and I can think of no easier introduction to snipers as a concept than widowmaker.
>>337281968
Any time where someone would die from s76's rifle they would die from s76's aimbot rifle.
It just means a free kill without effort, which is hilarious in a """"competitive"""" shooter
>>337282250
Just look at everything in the game, it's so watered down that even the biggest idiot on the planet could play each hero to it's fullest potential.
Just give him bullet drop and spread, jesus fuck. He's as accurate and damaging from across the ma as a Soldier 76 is with his ult or right in your face.
If you're not gonna nerf sentry mode, just make his mobile mode a joke. Like Zen post nerf levels of a joke, not just "bad". The character just fucking ruins pubs for everyone, and constantly forces hero switches. Not everyone has a fucking 6 stack on discord, nor does everyone take it that serious. Everytime I play with my retarded friends they hurr and durr about how they should play whatever they want and never have to switch.
What do you hope they balance on release?
>Widowmaker
Make it so zoomed in fire rate is lower. So often i get fully charge body shot and then no charge body shot and killed .1 second after.
>Tracer
Either increase the cooldown on her dashes or remove a dash, not really op just cancerous and annoying mechanics to play against
>Bastion
Maybe increase spread at range? Ive never really had trouble with him as i mainly play Hanzo on attack and he reks bastion.
>Mei
Give her 200 hp, make her icewall not have infinite range, remove the heal on her invuln and reduce the freeze on her ult to be the same length as reins. Holy fuck mei is cancer
>Symmetra
Increase her shield to 30 from 25 and prob reduce the max damage on her left click. Mained her throughout beta, holy fuck shes strong.
>Phara
give her 250 health
>Junkrat
Give him only 4 shots in his launcher or decrease fire rate or increase reload time. Hes like demoman with infinite ammo.
All i can really think of right now
>>337282250
her rifle is the shittiest thing in existence for starters, you won't kill anybody b4 they kill you with that thing.
Has recoil on sniper and if you don't charge up to 100% your a retard, basically that's the fire rate.
There are way worse ults than hers aaaaaaaaaaaand yeah overwatch is easier than any other game of it's kind.
>>337282394
If you're still in his line of sight when he shouts I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS then you deserve what's coming to you
It's quite possibly the easiest ult to outright avoid
I don't think 76 was picked that much even anyway
>>337282394
>I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS.
>>337282250
actual aim. Getting the headshots on moving targets.
Wow just look at all of the people in this thread who have only played for 5 days but totally know more than the pro players do
I look forward to seeing you prodigies in the pro scene with your OP Bastion and Mei strats :^)
>>337282316
cool thx, hopefully I'll git good someday. Really like her playstyle
>>337277492
>thinking popular game developers only balance for competitive
that was your first mistake.
>>337282625
people give genji a lot of shit, but he is immune to damn near all the bullshit that gets bitched about
>>337282764
good luck, bud and remember not to be discouraged by bad games and shitty teammates, you will get better with practice
>>337282625
On a side note, who the FUCK at Blizzard thought it'd be a good idea for the melee to default to v?
I know it's not something a whole lot of people seem to use but that's one of the worst button placements I've ever seen.
>>337281917
Nah, the only 'buff' Genji needs is his melee doing more damage.
That buff would be broken and hilarious vs Bastions though.
>>337282603
I met several teams that would pick 6 s76 and just rush every objective. Since they have sprint and their character has no real super hard counter except maybe Roadhog, they can easily catch a team off-guard and grab the first objective before the defense can respond with switching to appropriate characters, they might even split up and grab a defensive point with 3-4 of them leaving one or two to cap the first objective to just hold the defense up and stop them from setting up properly with their heal skill.cycling constantly.
>>337281149
getting dem killzz
>>337282914
it's a really easy fix but I think COD does it and blizzard has no experience with making shooters, so they probably just stole it and called it a day
>>337282625
Genji is truly the most satisfying character to play.
Nothing like turning CC against the enemy team or making McCree kill himself.
Too bad for competitive and too good for the casual public.
That is what you call shitty character design.
>>337282973
Which is exactly why I want it.
It would also be fitting to the character though.
No reflect when popped punishes you and you wait longer.
Successful reflects don't do anything.
Hitting people speeds it up a little bit.
Successfully killing someone with it speeds it up well.
It sounds dumb until you think about the fact that his shift already renews when you kill and it's a free 50 + get away.
Do you know how much hate you get for bursting Zen, then using the second shift to burst tracer, and then nearly bursting another character before pharah panic ults you?
That's a fun fucking experience, let me tell you.
>>337282893
thanks, I'll stay vigilant
>>337282531
Her rifle does more damage than 76's.
>>337281746
>Let's make a sniper!
>let's give her sniper rifle 30 shots
>and like 2 seconds for a fully charged shot
>and also a map hack
>oh oh also her sniper rifle can turn into a machine gun
>should probably give her 200 health too. snipers usually have this weakness of being killed easily
>yeah this sounds fine. surely no one can make use of her full potential
Here's a non-comprehensive list of balance changes I'd make:
>Pharah
200 Health -> 225 Health
>Mei
250 Health -> 225 Health
>Zenyatta
Increase movement speed pending on how many orbs he has deployed. He moves faster the fewer he has out, allowing him to deploy from spawn at a rate more comparable to Lucio and Mercy. This means that while he's active, he's still countered by what currently counters him. In general I think this character is a well-balanced support, but the other healers are simply ridiculous.
>Mercy
Slow down Ult charge. Don't have any exact figures, her ult is just far too strong for how easily it charges.
>Lucio
I honestly don't know how to rebalance this character. I'd say increase the cooldown on his "spike", but that just would make him even MORE of a passive character, which wouldn't be fun for anyone involved. Maybe give his auras diminishing returns over time, encouraging him to crossfade more often until the full effect of his other aura is "refreshed".
>Widowmaker
Increase the charge time of her scoped mode. 1.5x or 2x. Not sure.
A general change I'd like to see is an ult meter reduction on death. You don't have to lose the whole thing, but a percentage of what you had at death would be nice.
>competitive overwatch
>>337283263
>play of the game
>it's an actual fucking play
>>337283217
Yea I changed it to F about as soon as I started, though that was already bound to something, don't remember what.
>>337282704
>actual aim. Getting the headshots on moving targets.
That's every sniper in any game, and it's objectively easier...besides that's even wrong you can body shot one-shot people with the charge bullshit they forced because TF2 has it and it makes casuals better than they are and good players worse.
Skill-gap compression.
>>337283332
what beta were you on?
it's shitty as fuck senpai, post source? I simply can't believe this shit
>>337283497
I played just the Open Beta. WM's rifle is shorter ranged but hits harder. It's absolutely godly.
>>337283263
>That Mcree kill.
Genji is so fucking fun.
I can't WAIT to wreck people with him because no one understands how he works.
>>337278779
>Pharah needs a buff
can three shot OP (two if you hit reactor behind)
>Knock people off Ilios, Napal with E
she doesn't
t. Pharah player with 8 hrs and she had the best k/d out of anyone I played except Torbj (which don't really count because were mostly turret kills)
>>337283417
Pharah doesn't need buffs
Mei doesn't need nerfs
Mercy DEFINITELY doesn't need nerfs
Just give Zenyatta 50 more HP, and make Widow's ultimate only work for herself and also nerf the charge time on her rifle scope
>>337283432
Only that it is not because it's just another ult.
>>337283571
then maybe I'm just shit at aiming and was actually missing half of the load?
what the fuck
The only thing that really bothered me were the start of some maps where you literally get spawncamped, because the other team can roam the map freely while you have to wait. I get that you have to fight your way trough but it seems kinda unfair when there are 6 people looking into the same 2 doors and you have no cover at all.
I haven't seen anyone comment on the fact that everyone has infinite ammo.
Does anyone think that's a bad thing? Even in tf2 you hardly ever run out of ammo unless you're a pyro airblasting or a heavy in the open for a while.
>>337283263
Once, I refelcted Zarya's ult back at her team.
The rage that ensued was goddamned amazing.
>>337282513
they just need to slow Tracer's E rewind so that the enemy team has time to find her rewind location and react.
Or make her bullet spread even worse so that she has to get melee range to balance her positioning skills.
>>337279616
more like widow using her aimbot
>>337283343
She's like every sniper's wet dream wrapped in a single character. Oh god if she had stealth too fdgju6y78u5675856r8id7e8es4
>>337283628
>8 hours
opinion disregarded. Any character can be OP at low levels.
Mei was the only fun character.
>>337277492
> Killing Bastion with a RIP-tire
So satisfying.
>>337283769
I honestly don't see any issue with it. No reason to clutter the map with ammo packs or make team composition more rigid by making a supply character mandatory.
>>337283769
naw I think it would just make this game tedious for no reason, the games are so short it would be appaling to squeeze in ammo collecting too.
What are we all gonna do, hit eachother with our rifles until the ammo spawns?
>>337283801
Is that possible? I thought only bullets/projectiles work.
>>337283628
Pharah's splash dmg is non existent and yes she could use a buff in that department. Also her ult needs some rework and a cancel button.
>>337283454
its a spammable contextual thing for objectives
>>337282513
>increase shield to 30
blizzard shot themselves in the feet with that
all health is indicated by 25 increments. This means the only answer is 25...or 50. Nothing is anything more or less than 25 size chunks.
Now, my answer was to make it give a small shield bonus (25) but also provide a shield 'overheal' that slowly drains. So you go up to...+75 that ticks down by 5s or something to a +25. Increase the CD, but actually make that as her ability to SUPPORT
>shitting on bastion hard
>he refuses to switch the entire game
>>337283981
Zarya's ultimate is a projectile
>>337283982
>seeing every corner of the map while above it
>splash damage
uh
>>337277492
>easy to coordinate against
>hard to fight as an individual
there is a reason he tears up pubs but sucks dick in comp
>>337283678
We don't need your opinions m80.
Especially when they are so horribly presented, you are probably a console fuck for all I know.
>>337283678
>Zen needs 200 HP
Yeah no
Him being a glass cannon is fine, its his need to be constantly in LoS that makes this a problem. Increasing the delay to return orbs to 5s would greatly increase his possibility of death by staying out of sight, but still get assists through harmony/discord orbs
>>337283982
Land your fucking rockets
>>337284029
I thought it's a black hole?
>>337281697
Hell no. You have to not be a retard using stuns and shit. You can literally be a retard and still shoot heads.
>>337283981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e20-xxjGTK4
Learn the E, Give them the D.No, seriously, reflect is so goddamn fucking good. What's that? IT'S HIGH NOON? NOPE.
>>337282531
>her rifle is the shittiest thing in existence for starters
It's pretty much the same dmg as Soldiers, just with more spread on hold. You suck I guess.
>>337283296
True, they'd have to nerf it somehow though.
Less duration and a longer cooldown at the very least if you block nothing.
>>337283605
I honestly threw up my deflect expecting him to flashbang me, but it worked out even better.
I still suck with his shuriken though, something I'm trying to work on, but I'm not 17 anymore with the focus I used to have back when Halo 2 was a big thing.
>>337283801
I love how much stuff can be reflected. Mei's ult can be done too, which is great.
>>337283981
Anything that isn't melee or a beam.
This includes Mei's ult, Hanzo's ult while it's still an arrow, Symmetra's orb, etc.
Haven't seen if it works on Junkrat's trap and mine or Zarya's explosive lob though.
>>337284176
It throws a projectile that turns into the black hole.
>>337284176
She fires a small projectile at the target location, Genji can deflect it before it lands.
Additionally, Genji can deflect Hanzo's ult in the few moments before it becomes a dragon.
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>>337281149
sniper getting a kill a minute like "i'm helping"
>>337277492
>Bastion/Pharrah/Soldier 76 player
>Literally have no trouble killing Bastions when i'm on attack
>Destroy almost every Bastion with other two above with a quick grenade/rocket fire and follow up.
>Rape the shit out of teams with my Bastion and get scores like 30-3
People its not hard. Over half the cast is great at getting behind Bastion and killing him quicker then he can turn around to kill you instantly. Only shit maps like Anubis cater to him because of the single entree ways. Other then that Bastion has to be smart and switch places alot.
I hope you dumb fucks study up on that because hes only getting buffs if anything.
>>337284240
Genji can also deflect Mei's ultimate before it lands as well
>>337284204
I only played him a few times and didn't fully figured him out, but he was fun when you got into the flow a bit.
>>337284236
>>337284240
Ah ok, that explains it.
>>337282603
>It's quite possibly the easiest ult to outright avoid
REALLY? Wanna rethink that again? He can move normally and can still get boosted by Lucio.
>>337283769
It's yet another casualization, on top of the generally fast reloads.
In tf2 it becomes an issue for soldiers and demomen camping a rooftop, and scout only has 4 clips for his pistol. With engineer, the sentry quickly runs out of ammo if you continuously make it shoot with wrangler, and then there's widowmaker/short circuit/minisentry metal management. Bow snipers also run out of ammo quickly.
He should have a K-Nex design where he can leave his arms/legs somewhere and they give vision or make mini-turrets.
Leave his "healing-arm" somewhere and it's an AoE team heal idk.
>>337284374
Metal's a different resource than ammo I'd say, and I didn't play torbjorn enough to really understand if there was anything with him.
Most huntsmen I've seen haven't had ammo issues.
>>337282914
This post is golden post.
easiest game in existence and people are whining about balancing where every character in the game is OP. yes, even DVa.
>>337284236
First off, I don't typically use the left click except for pokes. Instead, I get up close, Right click, followed by Melee, Followed by shift.
These all interrupt animations in that order so you can burst 200+ damage potentially if you aim right. This gives you another shift to use, so you can typically either left click, shift, right click melee, or if someone is dumb enough to stand by each other, RcMS again.
Second, The shurikens follow your lateral movement the most, your cursor the next, and your momentum the least, meaning if you strafe right and pull your mouse slightly left, you throw a straight line of them traveling slightly to the right. I use that to predict where people are gonna be rather than aim at people.
The result is typically either I hit once and that's it, or I hit three headshots in a row and send someone to find a medikit. They never get far as people tend to start shooting at me about that point and I use E to finish them off.I fucking miss the game already.
>>337284204
>You can reflect Tracer's ult
Amazing.
And huh, it does block melee. Guess I never noticed because so few people actually use melee. Even I only really use it when playing him because sitting on Widows and killing them with melee frustrates them so much.
>>337284353
>I only played him a few times and didn't fully figured him out, but he was fun when you got into the flow a bit.
Exactly.
He's a character you don't just immediately click with.
>>337284374
>clips
>>337284701
You should see how upset roadhogs get when you E their hook.
>COME HERE
>Tink!!!
>"What in the fuck?!"
how do competitive overwatch team compositions look right now anyways? are they full of tracers and reinhardts?
I'd say Mei is currently the strongest character in the game atm if not top 3.
As long as a tick of her freeze ray hits you, she almost guarantees an easy kite to your side and then takes her sweet time to reload and ice spike your head.
Her invuln-heal is too good. I don't think you can even break it early by damaging it like her ice-wall.
>>337281289
Truth truth TRUTH.
>>337284929
>I'd say Mei is currently the strongest character in the game atm if not top 3.
She's bottom tier
>>337284865
Tracer becomes a lot less effective against players who pay attention
>>337284192
It would appear you are implying it takes more thought to aoe a frozen enemy than it does to headshot a blinking Tracer.
>retards are good at sniper
That's a first, and certainly not what I see ingame.
>>337280875
Arena:Respawn's "each side bans a class from a game" seemed interesting; a shame it was put on a shitty gamemode and not normal 6s.
My only problem with Bastion is that his damage fall-off at range is practically non-existent. If I pop around the corner as as Hanzo and pop off an arrow, only to die before I can get behind cover (read like 1.5 sec) while Bastion just repairs the arrow that wasn't' ever going to one shot him, then there's a problem.
Get behind him with Reaper who excels at close range DPS? Bastion out DPS's that too.
There are plenty of way to play around Bastion and I don't think he's actually OP, but when he wins DPS checks against close and far range consistently, it's a BIT annoying.
I think Heavy's range dropoff was pretty good in TF2. He could still kill people if he positioned at the end of a choke, but there was a SIGNIFICANT difference to being close by him.
>>337284174
I do very well with her but I held a rocket launcher since 20 years.
And I played everything and there is a reason games in the past didn't bank on direct hits with rockets, because it's retarded.
There is no reason whatsoever you little pecker dwarves should object to some SMALL buff to her splash damage.
I bet my left testicle that this will happen at some point when everyone realizes what a complete pushover she is on the floor.
Bunnyhopping around her is a legit strat, even a mercy can outdamage pharah in mid to close range.
I don't expect you scrubs to spot shit ölike that but about 1 or two months after release even the lowest ultra scrub will have picked up on that.
>>337284837
I wish you could make him grab one of his allies with it.
>>337283432
> genji presses q
> WHAT A FUCKING PLAY
>Playing Symmetra on offense in hollywood
>Bastion and Torbjorn with sentries on the point
>Crouch behind the car and place mini sentries
>Rest of the enemy team passes in front of me for a good while, point gets to ~80% captured until they notice I'm there
That was really fucking stupid
>>337284929
Fuck no, she works really well against some heroes at short range, but plenty of others counter her by either being able to kill her outright, forcing her to heal/wall, or just escaping with abilities. And that's not mentioning the fact that beyond the range of her M1, she shouldn't be winning any fights.
"competitive overwatch" is just people who plan out their ultimate moves. It's a fucking joke.
You might as well be playing competitive Mario Party.
>>337285068
It actually does require more thought to put a decent Mei ult or use the wall to wall them into the right location to make it a killzone.
>>337285182
He cleaned nearly the entire team from behind and killed a McCree with Reflect during the duration.
That's pretty fucking good.
>>337285182
At least it requires a modicum of skill rather than
>IT'S HIGH NOON
>I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS
>JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE.
>cyka
>BLEEP BLEEP
>NERF THIS
>HOG TIME
and a few others that I can't think of at the moment but are essentially press Q, win.
Genji's ult is the least useful in the entire game and can easily be dealt with.
>>337277492
He's the Sagat. Pubstomper.
>>337280692
>>337277492
Holy shit, I used rat the entire beta and naded the fuck outta basts.
Lrn2nadebounce
>>337284413
>Leave his "healing-arm" somewhere and it's an AoE team heal idk.
His healing arm is a repair arm u faglet, it doesn't work on humans.
>>337280763
>murdered machine
Fixed that for you, no need to thank me. In fact, have a body shot on the house.
>>337284413
How shitty are you at the game if you need him to be at 5 places at once and also healing your team automatically?
>"how f*cking epic would it be if bastion could fly while he was in turret mode and turn invisble and you could put a hologram bastion and bastion had two turrets instead of one so he could do double damage and he could automatically teleport behind people like reaper haha wouldnt that be fucking cool then I would finally be able to get a kill and my mom would understand why I didnt finish high school Xp"
Just go kill yourself man
>>337277492
He's not the least picked.
He definitely needs changes though. It's not good when one character changes how an entire match is played. He's easy to take care of, but the fact that you have to play a certain way just feels boring. It feels far more tedious than actually fun and rewarding.
>>337285152
Nah, I don't think that'd be too balanced.
But then again, when you can pull shit like this, why not?
https://youtu.be/tBum6Jtgjd8?t=1m30s
>>337278880
Takes a split second to fully charge a shot and one shot 150 health classes, hitreg is very forgiving so headshots aren't hard, spider mine watches a flank for you, the SMG DPS is pretty solid, grapple hook gives her mobility that is better than half the heroes in the game and honestly shouldn't even be given to her, and despite sitting far back, devs decided that she needed as much health as more frontline oriented defense heroes such as Junkrat and Mei. Oh, and don't forget about giving the whole team wallhacks.
Even if you unbinded Ult. she would still be a top three hero in this game, and if you removed Ults altogether, she would be unquestionably the best.
>Tank bastion can rocket jump
>Mei
>>337285869
>>337284661
>Instead, I get up close, Right click, followed by Melee, Followed by shift.
Huh, I actually rarely use right click because I've had a hard time finding use for it.
I really need to try working at it more come release.So do I, anon.
>>337285810
It'd be pretty hard to pull off I'd imagine, but no difference balance wise than deflecting an ult.
>>337285217
>Watch the worlds best teams duke it out.
>They rarely use it since they say it makes them a target.
orly
>>337286061
>Ignoring a main part of the game to make it competitive
Just like TF2!
They really are going places!
>>337284865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrWWapPUkeI
Double Winston is a often used attack comp, double winston lucio + mercy, double tracer, or McCree/Genji.
McCree is a higher pick than tracer tho. Which is understandable with an actual good team you can keep him alive easier and he becomes stupid strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAbSI1uu57g
>>337285263
>throw wall on objective or choke
>throw ult on objective or choke
man sure is hard to play. her toughest thing in her kit is M3
>mfw I reflect Mei's ultimate and freeze her team
>>337285967
only thing i hate about it is having a class that can't get away from it without a skill, especially on koth matches, its almost always the size of the entire hill just about
>>337286193
>"competitive overwatch" is just people who plan out their ultimate moves. It's a fucking joke.
>Ignoring a main part of the game to make it competitive
orly
>>337285415
>JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE
>widow/mccreed/soldier instantly shut her down
I'd say it's almost better to ult on the ground half the time you just make yourself a target real quick.
>>337284204
>bastion with shield
>reflecting any of symmetras attacks
>not stealing hanzo ult when reflecting
could this video be anymore outdated
>>337281104
>TF2
>skill
jej
>>337284929
sure she is, let me guess bastion is number 1? torb number 2?
>>337285106
>My only problem with Bastion is that his damage fall-off at range is practically non-existent
He has quite the damage fall-off at range actually. Have you played the demo?
>>337286057
It doesn't really have one except for two purposes.
One, It's faster travel than the left, so it's nearly ensured damage. That means if someone is close to death, right click is more reliable to finish in situations where shift isn't a good idea.
Two, It deals a ton of up close damage. For it to be useful, you have to be in melee range which typically isn't a good thing, unless you have a way of animation canceling, which his melee does, and shift cancels anything.
So his left click typically, IIRC, 30 per hit.
So RcMS does 90 + 30 + 50 = 170.
Except if you're up close and using right click, you're likely to get a headshot which adds to that, averaging about 200 damage. Most characters that aren't a tank won't be able to take that hit. Supports crumple before you.
I once killed a Zenyatta 7 times in one game in a 2 of 3. Next round, he had a Reinhardt with him at all times.It didn't help.
>>337286423
I was referring to
>They rarely use it since they say it makes them a target.
>>337285869
Punching only does 50 damage. Next time head shot with your icicles.
>competitive overwatch
>>337286193
No, you use ultimates when the time arises. People are so quick to press Q that you all too often hear characters die mid sentence because they want their ebin play of the game for jumping into 6 people only to die like idiots.
>>337277492
Honestly I think he just needs either a turn radius restriction of like 180 or turn speed reduction. That way he could feasibly be countered by getting behind him with offense characters. Cause right now I've only seen decent bastions be handled by snipers or tanks. He's really not that bad, but I do think if anyone needs some kinda nerf it's him. Also, some recoil would be nice, which wouldn't truly be a nerf, it would just make playing him more fun.
>>337286262
what's the point of this image?
>>337286262
his deflect needs a higher CD for what it can do, especially being able to reflect ults like hanzos and killing the entire team
>>337285106
Bastion has falloff, but the spread is nonexistent, which is the real issue. Makes him quite strong if you run Reinhard and Mercy on defense.
>>337286424
can ninja reflect justice?
>>337286239
>Throw ult on choke
>Everyone backs off
its more like
>Wall off enemy team
>Throw ult
>Shift to stay alive while your ult works
>Pop out and kill team
For me Widowmaker is
>I headshot everyone coming around the corner
>if they come at me I move a little and keep shooting heads
Seriously if I can do well with Widowmaker then she's not hard at all.
>>337286439
Video is still 95% accurate.
You can reflect her ball.No, really, you can. Caught me off guard too.
>>337286061
Except that's not even close to being true.
>I don't want to kill the whole team with a single attack because it might draw attention to me
>>337286419
If you're getting frozen, you're already fucked. Mei Punishes you for being alone or unaware. It forces teams to stick together lest they get frozen and fucked.
>>337286697
He's supposed to be able to.
I can use widowmaker to snipe off supports. I can use High noon to wipe out anyone 200. I can fucking reflect a fly shitting into your goddamn eye.
For the life of me, I wasn't able to get reflect to play ball with Barrage.
He'd deflect a few, but a couple would come through and typically kill me by exposure, but I'd wipe out 70% of her health and she'd die shortly thereafter.
>>337286541
i can bomb him with rat so fucking easy it's not even funny. i've never ran into a bast i couldn't dislodge or blow up because they are too busy looking for the enemy team and not me.
>>337286610
It says "LEL" on his chest
>>337286697
Yep, though if she's far enough away, you'll still take damage from missiles that land near you.
>>337286620
All it really needs is a bit shorter of a duration if anything.
And deflecting ults and stuff takes some good timing, especially ones like Hanzo where you need to be close to him when he does it.
>>337279021
you're terrible, never-will-play-ranked terrible
>>337277492
/v/ doesn't seem to want Bastion nerfed, they seem to be the ones that claim the exact opposite.
>>337286424
This also in close range, because it doesn't do enough dmg at all. You are a sitting duck for everyone to click you and do not enough dmg to kill a lucio before he can click you.
There is a reason Pharah is not a high pick in comp play. Or junkrat for that matter, there is way too less splash dmg or knockback for both to keep the hitscan in check to even consider the 2 except for some parts of maps.
>>337277492
>still no bastion porn
why
>>337286193
You're pretty thick, are't you?
![6dc[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jmxv2R6.jpg "6dc[2].jpg")
>>337286541
>Cause right now I've only seen decent bastions be handled by snipers or tanks.
Nigger, what?
You can reflect him with Genji.
You can snipe him with Mei's icicle.
You can shoot him with McCree.
You can bomb him with Tracer.
You can shoot him with Pharah.
You can flank him with Reaper.
You can lob nades with Junkrat.
You can shoot orbs at him with Symmetra.
You can even, god forbid, do the unthinkable and use teamwork to destroy him, for example hiding behind a friendly Reinhardt's shield while shooting at the Bastion.
But no, you're right. This is the character that clearly needs a nerf.
>>337277492
He is fine really. I don't play him cause he is annoying. Mei is the real piece of shit that needs any changes.
>>337277492
>competitive
>overwatch
https://youtu.be/vHO6Ky-w0UQ
Bastion is Overwatchs version of the noobtube, zerg rush or p90 from counterstrike. In more mechanical terms, it is a low skillfloor and low skillceiling play type, designed to be used by newbies for great effect but discarded later when they fulfill the low potential this type of play has. By the time players move on to something else they are usually good enough to try a playstyle with a higher skillceiling.
Since overwatch is the first fps for many people(and/or most people just suck at videogames), you see many threads crying about bastion, unable to to see past the shadow in their cave allegory of fps shitters.
>>337287290
You can also wall him off as Mei, hook him as Roadhog, or pin him as Reinhardt.
>>337277492
>people complaining about bastion
I love it when I play against a bastion. There's so many counters against him that makes him utterly useless, genji being one of the biggest.
>>337287428
STOP LISTING MORE, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. HE'S BROKEN
>>337287401
Well said
>>337287101
bastion is only interested in berds
>>337287060
I don't know who that /v/ is you are talking about but anyone that is not a complete ultra scrub knows that he is underpowered if anything.
>>337286471
>Torb that low
Shitters the lot of them
>>337287428
>>337287290
D.Va is an effective counter too, just shield and boost through him and you can pretty much instakill him by shooting the core.
Reinhardts shielding him will also be bounced out of the way, should you fail to kill Bastion. Bastion then has his core exposed to your team.
>>337287401
I still feel like Bastion has a higher skill ceiling than people think. People need to learn how to utilize recon form more and not rely too much on his turret form. Being able to heal really fast anywhere you want on the map is huge.
>>337287428
>Mei
Problem there is it takes half a second for him to bust through.
>Roadhog
Have to be within a certain distance
>Rein
Gotta catch him off guard or be flanking.
He's way easy to deal with, the problem is the power he has for how little effort he takes to play.
>>337287401
So wrong in so many ways, everyone who read this is now dumber. May god have mercy on your soul. Also entry Hero is definitely 76 and they even said so.
>>337287631
>just nutted on some bird
wat
>>337278880
Hitscan
>>337287428
The only one I disagree with, speaking with about 15 hours of Reinhardt playtime over open beta, is pinning the Bastion. Its pretty hard because he can easily kill you before you reach him. I'm not saying its impossible, especially if you can do it off a platform, but its not as consistent as the other methods I listed.
I haven't played Roadhog so I wasn't sure if that would work, thanks for telling me. And I played Mei a lot but I always forget that she has the ice wall and cocoon. Her spray and snipe is so powerful in of itself.
>>337283263
> headshotting widow maker with her own bullet
Felt so good.
>>337287401
i hit level 40 something before the beta ended and my k/d was at least 2
i think that means im not absolutely terrible, and im not saying that any character is particularly impossible to kill, but i fucking hate bastion half because he drops most people in half a second, and half because bastion players are shitters who want to play as a fucking turret
>>337287906
>>337283263
>>337286262
Why is he so perfect?
>>337288034
if it takes you half a second to check a fucking corner you are clinically disabled
>>337286972
>shorter duration
I don't think that's the solution. As things are, the reflect is just long enough to make bastion kill himself and not really any longer in my (limited) experience.
>>337282914
it also defaults to mouse 4, which depending on your mouse is a pretty decent bind.
>>337288126
have you played on japan or numbani? fuck off
>>337279402
Fucking hearthstone has a competitive scene m8
I only hate Bastion because shitters always get play of the game with him. Though that's more to do with the play of the game selection process being shit.
>>337287906
> killing wewuzkangs with her own ulti
> killing pigman with his own ulti
> killing manlet with his own turret
genji undesputed funnest hero
>>337287754
>D.Va is an effective counter too, just shield and boost through him and you can pretty much instakill him by shooting the core.
You'd be right if the Bastion was blind and didn't turn around and kill you then turn back again to finish off your team who were foolish enough to move out of cover all in less than a second.
>>337283263
>doesnt swift strike after getting a kill
>>337286424
in close range you can kill someone with a small heath pool before you even announce your ult
