http://sourcegaming.info/2016/05/11/sakuraifanmisconception505/
>At the same time, by letting these misconceptions blow out of proportion, I feel like there’s a misconstrued image of me floating around, unlike the Sakurai known to my friends, staff, or to myself. Perhaps it’s because so many kids fall into the target age range for the games I make, but people seem to love creating conspiracy theories about me. The truth isn’t that simple, though: I bear no ill will.
>>337245798
that lying sack of shit
So he finally realese that he´s a meme
what fan misconceptions are there even?
>>337245798
Just shut the fuck up you lying vampire sack of shit. At least Kojima and Kamiya are somewhat homest in their douchebaggery, you're an old hack crying to a magazine about how you're not the bad guy everyone thinks you are.
Only douchebags put put articles about how they're not douchebags.
>>337246280
You constantly see shit like "Sakurai said no clones, but there's clones! He lied!" or "Sakurai said no DLC, but there's DLC! He lied." Not to mention people are always trying to rationalize reasons their favorite character didn't make it.
>>337246614
Sakurai has never once told the truth.
>Sakurai knows people hate all the FE trash
If we're lucky, 90% of the sword trash will be cut next game.
>>337245798
This fucking victim complex. Holy fucking shit Sakurai.
>>337246716
Depends how popular the series get, especially in the west. No reason not to add more if waifus start rivaling Mario.
>>337246716
>soccer eye
>listening to fans
>ever
>>337245798
Nigga, I stopped caring after Bayonetta. You should too.
>I agree there are a lot of Fire Emblem characters, but the decision to include so many was strategic
You motherfucker
>>337246827
>More generic sword trash
smash will be dead.
>>337246716
Fire Emblem's success has become quite favorable lately. You're shit out of luck on that one.
>Perhaps it’s because so many kids fall into the target age range for the games I make
So he's essentially calling those who create such "conspiracies" children, whether it is a kid or not.
Look, Sakurai, nothing against you, but lately, you've been running out your mouth a whole lot lately and that just really seems a lot of poor excuses given out. You shouldn't have to say shit, but the fact that you're seemingly "apologizing" just makes it seem you actually are defending yourself.
Hideki Kamiya seemingly doesn't give a shit about what people think about his games and yet, he bothers to reply to those shitheads that bother him. At least, as of lately, it seems that died out and it was mostly about Bayonetta 2 if I'm not mistaken.
The thing is, it's okay to apologize, but you're not making it any better calling those who oppose you actual children (even though the Smash community or at least its more rabid side definitely deserves to be called such). You're also undermining your fucking fanbase.
And in the end, it all amounts to handling the criticisms and opinions of those who have played a game that mostly takes its assets from fucking Brawl, minus the actual development they had to make not using such.
>>337246826
>This fucking victim complex
the one the fans have?
I'm going to copy-paste the specific points here since I know you fucks won't even read the article.
>Smash for 3DS/Wii U’s cover art features Kirby and Pit. You’re focusing too much on your own games!
>Nintendo designed the cover art, not me…
>XX is strong because you are biased towards that character!
>We balance based on match results and play data we collect from our playtesting team.
>The only Kirby stages are from games you made!
>At the start of the project, we had planned a stage from Kirby’s Epic Yarn. However, those plans changed due to the announcement of Yoshi’s Woolly World, and we revamped the stage into the Great Cave Offensive from Kirby: Super Star Ultra.
>There are so many Fire Emblem characters because you’re a fan of the series!
>I agree there are a lot of Fire Emblem characters, but the decision to include so many was strategic.
>>337245798
>http://sourcegaming.info/2016/05/11/sakuraifanmisconception505/
>At the start of the project, we had planned a stage from Kirby’s Epic Yarn. However, those plans changed due to the announcement of Yoshi’s Woolly World, and we revamped the stage into the Great Cave Offensive from Kirby: Super Star Ultra.
could of always done a return to dreamland stage
>>337247250
Explain yourself, im unironically curious about ya point.
>>337247264
Yeah, thanks to made me read it twice
>>337246307
The truth isn’t that simple, though
I'm not sure why he's paying attention to such ridiculous claims. It's the fucking internet of course people will say nonsense.
>>337247328
>yfw Lor Starcutter stage never ever
>>337247264
>I agree there are a lot of Fire Emblem characters, but the decision to include so many was strategic
woos
you can definitely tell by the way how Corrin promotes the game from whence he came from
but yeah I am also awaremarketing strategyis also a thing
>>337245798
No, fuck you shamurai, you kill MK's ladder combo and leave the precious DLC character infamous for her easy, DI adjustable 0-ceiling combos nigh untouched
You fucking fraud once we can pirate DLC I'm going to go bayonetta and nonstop ceiling combo everyone until his bunch of greedy shits have to fix it
>>337247345
that the fans are the ones playing victim
any flaw of the game they think is on purpose, just to make fun of them or to hurt them personally.
More FE characters? It's because I complained about them!
My favorite character is shit? It's because he's got something against it and me!
This character got nerfed? Sakurai's fault!
People seriously act like he makes every single decision and he and only he can shape the game, when he doesn't make all the decisions, and not every decision he makes is approved in the final game.
Look at all the people offended in this thread, they feel like him saying that most smash brothers fans are children is a personal insult, specifically for them, because they know they are childish. See >>337247216
Sakurai made an objectively worse game than the previous version with Brawl. He went OUT OF HIS WAY to make the game play worse. I'm not going to forgive him for that. What kind of person sets out to make a worse game than the original?
And don't tell me "B-but the casual market!", 1/3 of all people who bought a Gamecube owned Melee, while 1/10 of all people with a Wii bought Brawl. There is NO REASON for that.
>>337247974
>B-BUT MARTH WAS IN MELEE TO PROMOTE HIS GAME TOO!!
>>337246280
the costume=sakurai hates you shit by K.Roolfags
>>337248113
*Roy
>>337245798
has he ever talked about the vets who didn't make it back besides ice climbers
>>337247000
Cause that worked for DK/Metroid/Starfox/Pikmin right?
Remember how those series have 6 characters?
>>337247216
>you're not making it any better calling those who oppose you actual children (even though the Smash community or at least its more rabid side definitely deserves to be called such). You're also undermining your fucking fanbase.
The Smash franchise is targeted at younger children.
I'm so sorry you had to find out this way.
>le Hackurai meme! MUH K.ROOL
you people are fucking pathetic
>>337245798
Shut the fuck up hack.
>>337248080
That response seems normal.
At the same time you're making up people to support your argument.
>>337245798
>I bear no ill will.
YEAH SURE YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT
>>337247264
>We balance based on match results and play data we collect from our playtesting team.
>in b4 bitching about how certain characters are overpowered in For Glory
It's a goddamned Free For All game, you retards. You are actually and thoroughly stupid for trying to make a 3+ player game into a 2-player game.
That said, the team still missed the mark on the overall flow and Heavy characters' attacks not coming out fast enough.
>>337248623
>Implying
I wanted Ashley
>>337248113
Nigga, I ain't saying Fire Emblem shouldn't have reps at all, but you can't just say it wasn't all just a timely event to put Corrin in to promote the series even further. The game IS self-promoting its biggest franchises, that's the whole point, plus the biggest icons from each game fighting each other.
Even if some of them are barely represented in contrast to FE, but still.
Either way, there isn't even a point to keep bashing the game, that shit's already released and DLC development has already shut down.
Ya ain't seeing much more from here, people ranting about the game are pretty much just bashing it despite everything else.
>>337247328
Judging by the overall layout and the torches, they wanted to still make a stage that had multiple settings. Especially where lava and insta-death would fit.
>>337248492
I'm not making up shit, those are all things that were said, some of them in this very thread too.
That is not a normal response, since he (You) clearly took the children thing personally, because he personally made up those childish theories
here, have a further example
>>337248562
>>337248584
Then why does 1v1 exist.
Why are balance patches a thing
>Sakurai admits FE trash was strategic
WE SHOULD'VE GOTTEN KING KROOL. FUCKING JEWTENDO. FUCKING WAIFU EMBLEM. FUCKING CORN
daily reminder these are the people you are speaking to
>>337248727
Some guy just being pissy
>>337248683
>I wanted Ashley
oh, some entitled lolifag
you deserve to suffer
>>337248080
Okay, let´s see.
People complain about everything, but mostly fanbases. More than blaming sakurai, i think it´s a blame to nintendo for "making the game in such a way", but Sakurai is the most visible face, im not sure it´s correct or fair, but i understand why Sakura cardcaptor is so bullied.
Some things are his fault, like FE troubles, he admit it, but with the other ones, even if he wasn´t the guy behind some ideas he must assume it, is "his game" after all.
>>337248742
I could accept Corrin if they didn't blatantly lie about her being a balllot character
inb4 but she was the most voted "viable" character
how does it feel to you dumb Smashfags that FE is a major IP to Nintendo
https://mynintendonews.com/2016/04/28/fire-emblem-is-now-considered-a-major-ip-for-nintendo/
>>337248885
>>337248885
>I could accept Corrin if they didn't blatantly lie about her being a balllot character
who said Corrin was a ballot character?
you're only proving sakurai right on fans making misconceptions in the fandom again
>Creator of the game comes outright and says Smash is designed for children
M2K ALREADY ON SUICIDE WATCH
WILL THIS BE THE FINAL PUSH HE NEEDS?
>>337248885
They never said Corrin was a ballot character.
>>337248885
They never said Corrin was a ballot character, he was just another DLC character like Ryu or Cloud. Bayonetta was the sole ballot character.
>>337245798
Poor Sakurai. But I wouldn't mind, people that hate him very personally are autists without redemption. He better ignore them.
>>337247264
You're right, thanks for that
>>337248830
except it's not just that guy
it's a big, or at least very vocal, part of the fanbase.
and being pissy = acting childish so there's that.
>>337248873
It's not his game, it's Nintendo's game, the fact that people jump on him because he's the "leader" of the project and the game's face, doesn't mean it's less childish, if anything it proves him right yet again.
>>337248961
As a life nintendrone Sm4sh was the last straw to me. Im not mad anymore, i dropped the big N long time ago, i just laugh now, i cant even tell how hard it was when corrin showed up.
What a shame...
>>337248419
You can't put FE on mobile and FE characters have more abilities than WE WUZ SWORDZ AND SHIT.
Metroid doesn't need more than Samus. DK only need DK because legacy and Diddy because modernism.
Dixie's ponytail would make the bitch more broken than Peach and Kirby combined and Lanky is a fucking meme and no one who matters gives a shit about Tubbo Croc.
Star Fox is a series that has a split fanbase, so 64 is their safest bet for where the series is.
Pikmin only has one thing going for it. The best you could hope for is Olimar in a different skin.
>>337249083
>Creator of the game comes outright and says Smash is designed for children
Wasn't that obvious from the beginning?
My question is WHY so many adults give a shit about it. I want to blame Melee, but that wouldn't be smart because I'm sure there are other factors.
>>337248683
>I wanted Ashley
I don't blame him, Smash had by far the biggest autistic community ever. It reeks of giga autism and anything he does is wrong
>>337249296
>You can't put FE on mobile
I meant the other games. Point is FE is technically versatile for expanding its sales bracket to mobile without losing anything gameplay wise in translation.
>>337249254
Yeah, that´s what i said, i got your points buddy.
>>337249296
>Metroid doesn't need more than Samus.
watch how metroidfags bring up their dumb donut steels noone cares about
So can we all agree that Fire Emblem killed Nintendo?
>Ruined Smash's roster
>Started Nintendo on the path to censorship
>Keeps Intelligent System from going bankrupt, so they don't need to care about making a real Paper Mario
>infects every game it can with generic swordsman shilling(MH, PXZ2, ect
>>337249537
>Hammer Bros
>From a game that was despised, lowly received or weak compared to the rest of the series
Hang yourself.
>>337249537
>primeshit
>I wanna be in Halo/Mass Effect
>human DK
>Admiral Douchebag
Don't forget Dark Samus and Ridleyfags.
>That bullshit excuse he made about removal of Wario's shoulder bash
>>337249296
>Dixie would be broken because of a hairstyle
The fuck? FEcucks are the worst
>>337249537
The funny about that is, the notion of "Metroid needs more characters!!!!!" is what let us to getting ZSS in Brawl, who's pretty much become a dumb donut steel in Smash 4 with the rocket boots and shit.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/05/31/sakurais-smash-bros-update
>I put Zero Suit Samus in thinking I wanted to include more characters from the popular Metroid series. Also, since Smash Bros. has few female characters, I was quite happy to include her.
Honestly, I really wish they just left Samus as the only Metroid rep and focused on updating and improving her moveset. Maybe add a secret taunt or victory pose where she takes her helmet off or something.
>>337249667
>Killed Advance Wars
That crime alone is enough for FE to be despised.
>>337249719
ARMY Hammer Bro. you twit
http://www.mariowiki.com/Army_Hammer_Bro
>>337245798
I always find Sakurai's arrogance to be absolutely hilarious, he's the guy who made Nintendo's party brawler crossover series yet he acts like the games he makes are so revolutionary and groundbreaking and that everyone is beneath him and nobody is on his level. Does this shithead not realize how irrelevant he and the company he works for truly are in this day and age?
>>337246280
Pretty much everything Metroid fans say about smash and everything everyone who didnt want bayonetta in the game says.
>>337249719
>implying SPP isn't a pisspoor game compared to a Yoshi game
>>337249667
>Started Nintendo on the path to censorship.
>Started
Boy, you sure are new.
>>337249824
Play Super Mario 2 or 3D World.
Notice the time Peach can float.
Now play Diddy's Kong Quest.
Notice how long Dixie's spin lasts.
Now imagine Sakurai working that in.
>>337249869
god i forgot that
>>337249667
Fire Emblem also ruined Fire Emblem, a previously respectable srpg, with full on waifufaggotry.
>but the other games had waifus
You couldn't impregnate and pet your waifus, and the main focus was gameplay. At least Fates came with gameplay and waifu versions, but fi you want all the content, you gotaa pay 100 bucks. I'm not a fan of pirating but with the botched job treehouse did localizing the game and the pricetag, plus nintendo's disgusting overhype of the game, it's completely acceptable here.
>>337249945
Well given how much Smash sells and how big it is and how large Nintendo is I'd say the pride is warranted, you sound bitter
>>337249945
>he acts like the games he makes are so revolutionary and groundbreaking and that everyone is beneath him and nobody is on his level
Projecting real hard there.
>>337249537
>that thread where some retard saying "if you don't want any of these dumb MP3 hunters in smash, you're not a Metroid fan"
>>337249667
>Started Nintendo on the path to censorship
>started
They've done that at least since the SNES days, but the new FE games, since they focus a lot more on the fanservice, are definitely fueling that fire.
>>337249719
Super Princess Peach was the most super-casual Mario spinoff game to play
doubt it sold much either
>>337248683
>I wanted Ashley
>1/10 of all people with a Wii bought Brawl. There is NO REASON for that.
Except the Wii being a casual box.
>>337250008
>Now play Diddy's Kong Quest.
>Notice how long Dixie's spin lasts.
Now play Tropical Freeze, haircopter was nerfed and Sakurai usually works with the most recent renditions of the characters.
>>337247216
>>337248428
If their target demographic is children, it just shows how delusional they are.
>>337246280
That the Smash ballot actually mattered.
>>337246280
Wanting Sora, Goku and Shrek in a Nintendo All Star game.
>>337248584
A game can be designed the same for both. The repetitive/cheap attacks are obvious and unnecessary.
>>337250785
Don't forget SPONGY BOBBU
>>337249537
you need to add General Scales and some Zelda literal who on that list
>>337250742
>I'm retarded
It's been stated clearly and multiple times that Bayo was the ballot winner and Corrin was Sakurai's team and Nintendo forcing him into the game as marketing
>>337248562
If you step back you'll see it's only you bearing ill will.
>>337246280
some people think that he purposely make the game for non-competitive play
>>337251079
Because he admits to it. >>337248473
>>337248728
Because FGC wouldn't shut the fuck up about not being able to enjoy (see: attention-whore) Smash like a traditional fighter. And, more specifically, Sakurai mentioned how 1v1 fights were more boring to watch than the FFA's. So, Sakurai being the kind of guy he is, wants everyone to be happy (and in turn buy more copies), so he split it into FFA and FG with Final Destination versions of every stage as was oft-requested by the traditional fighter players.
AND THEN WHEN IT GETS PUT INTO THE GAME, THESE SAME PEOPLE IDIOTICALLY BITCH ABOUT OBVIOUS BALANCE ISSUES BECAUSE IT'S EVERYTHING BUT A TRADITIONAL FIGHTER, AND, HAVE THE ABSOLUTE GALL TO SAY, 'THIS SUCKS, BATTLEFIELD VERSIONS OF ALL THE STAGES ARE WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN'
FG was a gigantic mistake, and I hope to high heaven that it is not repeated.
As for balancing, besides the obvious Heavyweight stuff, I think Sakurai's playtesting team isn't out to try to break the game bar-none to win and see these combo issues like HOOHAH, Wectoring, and Bayonetta Ceiling, they're playing FFA's in a general manner and toning down the characters that have clear advantage.
Not to mention, coding is crazy. There's some things you just can't catch - you can't even imagine it'd happen but does anyway.
>>337247264
>Kirby's epic yarn was getting a stage but plans changed for Wolly World
That doesn't mean shit, we have 2 Mario kart stages
>>337250852
Yes, but it'd take two different modes. Frankly, FD stages and Stamina mode makes it more like a traditional fighter, but nobody plays it that way, because infinite combos and such aren't revealed for what they are (Rock-Paper-Scissors with an extended victory lap) and are far more mysterious and revered by little children that don't bother, with very good reason, to dig that deep into a children's party game.
>>337246280
People are just that mad Literally Who isn't playable.
>>337251551
Except it wouldn't. A game can't logically be made non-competitive and super fun simultaneously. Listing the reasons it's non-competitive? Spam, maybe? That's equally undermining for interesting gameplay to a casual player in a store and the veteran experience. It's obvious where something is inherently shallow, and that makes for an unrewarding game.
>>337248473
>>337251153
So, unless it can be explained how a game can be made non-competitive and interesting, it's a house divided against itself -- a game, which is about mastery/competition inherently, and the equivalent of shoving figurines at each other and saying 'I win'.
If he's getting bothered by people making all of these criticisms and claims on him, maybe that says more about him than us. Point out who was responsible for all of the nonsense you talk about (He probably can't legally).
>>337247216
>All that brain gymnastics
It's way simpler than that. He's just saying that thinking he means to personally fuck up with people with the decisions he makes in the development of smash is so stupid he can only assume that most people that complains about it are just small children who had access to internet forums.
You can like his games or not, but thinking he means upsetting players is absurd.
>>337246280
Ridley's shadow
SG pointed out that Sakurai already said he going to be a stage boss and going to show off more bosses later on.
fans denied it
this applies to the costume shit Inkfags and K.Roolfags kept bickering about
>Samus' has a costume, muh Metaknight reveal, he'll be playable guys!
Sakurai is the only talent left at Nintendo desu. Wish he would do other things besides Kirby and Smash though
>>337252451
He's denying a demographic that can purchase games for that which can't.
Were people really complaining about who gets on the boxart? Talk about autistic.
>>337246280
pretty much anything you'll hear spewed out of butthurt smash fan's mouths
I think the one I hear the most ever since the ballot ended is that it was rigged or that it never mattered because baww baww they didn't add who I voted for so they weren't listening at all.
>>337250742
Reminder that Corrin was added because Bamco wanted it not Sakurai
>>337246280
some ATfags kept going around saying Waluigi and Skull Kid could still be added in base/DLC game and used excuses like Little Mac and Project M devs adding Lyn and Isaac into their mod.
i had to create this image because of that, the persisting was fucking awfu;
>>337245798
Sakurai confirmed to be a reptile in disguise
I fucking knew it
using the same "it's the fault of little kids, i'm innocent!" copout from the [food analogy] interview is not doing that retard any favors
>>337251884
Nah, they're mad that Literally Who is.
>>337253048
So we should just let retards keep spewing false accusations? What is this, TMZ?
>>337252634
he's referring to fags crying bias about KI and Kirby
Kirby has the worst shit in Smash
>neutered MK hard
>DDD still shit
>Kirby's still shit (reminder that Sakurai nerf him in Melee due to jap players complaining about him in 64)
>GCO is a crappy stage
>now, Epic Yarn stage was dropped in favor for a fucking Yoshi stage
>no Waddle Dee trophy
>extremely lucky we gotten trophies from RtDL
>>337253285
>we
fuck off shill
>>337248961
I would have wanted nothing more in the early 2000s when Melee came out. I wanted to know so much more about Roy, Marth, and the trophy characters. This was before I had a lot of internet access so I couldn't just go to a forum to find out.
Now that my 12 year old self's wish is granted, I'm sad that I'm not 12 anymore. I just can't really enjoy story centric animu games anymore.
>>337247962
>tfw mods are happening
>>337252283
Oh, Smash is very fun and competitive.
ON A COUCH
WITHOUT A DAMN 'SCENE' AND CORPORATE SPONSORS AND E-CELEBS
Deep? Not in and of itself, no, but the depth comes in a player's dedication, because there are a shitton of spacing and priority tricks to Smash, plenty enough to make every match a surprise.
The 'depth' you speak of is in the available movements and attacks, a skill ceiling on learning combinations of moves. That's appreciated to a certain extent, until you start screwing with balance with things like particular characters only having infinites and movement exploits, and then no one wants to play a broken game.
Except the turbo-autists in the FGC, of course.
>>337253426
awww, wittle baby mad he's retarded for his self-misinfo
>>337253421
>Sakurai upset because someone took his game and made it better
>>337253649
fuck you, Super Abilities are not a way to make Kirby better
that includes Hypernova, i'm glad Kumazaki got it right on the new Kirby game.
>>337249537
You see that's why Metroid fans always bring up Ridley. Not because he is amazing, but because all of the possible Metroid candidates he is the only relevant memorable one. The game is designed around isolation so they never bothered introducing a strong supporting cast. Sakamoto tried to change that but he is a lousy writer and no fan wants to be reminded of Other M.
>>337253847
I was talking about Super Star Ultra anon
>>337253534
If it's not infinites and interesting mobility, then what? Spam, right? ..Making doing well almost automatic.
That's shitty gameplay. Some meme rhetoric is no disproof for that.
>>337253909
it's the same shit with better graphics
why would he be mad about that?
>>337246716
You mean if we're lucky, Fire Emblem will die or go mobile.
>>337245798
Isn't this because all the Melee players were mad at him for making Sm4sh so that they didn't have their inescapable kill loops and being easier to pick up on than Melee? I don't see what's wrong with that, the whole point of the game is to make money, if it's easier to pick up then it'll attract a bigger audience (more sales) than the smaller audience that left it to go back to Melee. Also hey, there's less "practice glitch that helps you loop people into an infinite loop better." I mean there's still some overpowered stuff, but overall Sm4sh doesn't seem malicious, just more profitable than a GC game.
>>337249083
>that reading comprehension
Saying there's a lot of young players doesn't mean the game was designed with them in mind. Jesus fucking Christ, he was right. People will jump to conclusions.
>>337247000
But at what cost if even the most die-hard Fire Emblem fans are getting sick and tired of the whole waifu ordeal. I mean, sure, some of them are more tolerant than others, but some of them just want to play the game without its female characters being reduced to plain waifu fodder (not that every female characters isn't automatically set as such the minute they start to exist) as their personalities fade away (if they even had any to begin with).
I mean, I don't even like the series that much, I just watch that whole thing from afar and its genre isn't even my thing, but once I tried to check out this video of the female characters declaring themselves and I never thought I'd cringe that hard in my whole life, I mean, I've been used to bad voice acting, but that was on a whole new level. And I don't even know how those who are real fans felt like seeing that shit happen.
I'm probably much too involved in this shit despite not being a fan, but seeing some of its fans suddenly getting this sudden hate for the most recent games kind of unsettled me since I mostly usually knew the original games as sRPGs that I wouldn't be able to enjoy due to me not being a fan of the genre, but being mostly comfy for those who liked it and I just accepted it as a thing that clearly existed, just like how Animal Crossing exists for people that want to take things calmly.
>>337245798
I'm sure Dark Pit was also not the work of a hack trying to push his own shit, but strategic.
>>337253892
don't forget Dark Samus
the fact she's the face the Metroid Prime show that none of these idiot hunters stand a damn chance in Smash
thought i think Sakurai may little problem with Kensuke Tanabe coming near Smash Bros again after Brawl. hence why she's an AT, all the prime trophies are gone, and he AT is composed with borrowed animations from Samus' attacks. (displaying her as not unique)
>>337249667
Those are all company decisions. FE is not to blame for any of that shit. Especially censorship. That's like blaming all americans for the cunts at NoA.
>>337246280
>>337246280
>FYI She's an assist trophy ;)
>>337253926
You're the one spouting rhetoric. Dragging up Spam twice, which isn't depth in any context.
Smash has plenty of depth. Between approach, Items, launching, zoning, mindgames, coordinating attacks and strategy with multiple teammates, launch vectors, stage hazards, blast zone locations, and all of the layers to each of these things.
Is some of that randomized? Yes, so there isn't a blowout every time, which would punish the newer players outright. But truly skilled players could appreciate the depth in being able to calculate for all of these things as closely as possible, even working these things to their advantage sometimes, and that's a skill too, and frankly, more depth than most normal people can handle.
>>337254524
SJWboards is cancer incarnate
>>337246716
If sakurai actually cared about his fans he wouldn't have made brawl.
>>337249945
you are part of the children he's talking about
>>337254867
Smash4 and pm brought in alot of shit people to smashboards, all of the 2014, 15 and 16 kids are are awful and have made me not even bother with the site.
>>337254670
>ashleyfags
>>337254524
That nigga is entitled as fuck and only entitled to his waifu, but that doesn't make the Bayonetta fans any less of a waifu fag that got fucking lucky, maybe due to the incessant pickering they'd constantly do with Kamiya back then.
So let's end this for once and for all.
Before any of this shit sprouted and by that, I mean everything that relates Bayonetta to fucking Nintendo, ever since the day she was even IMPLIED to be in a Nintendo console
Did any of you shitheads even know about her? Way back when she had ONE game and it was released on everything BUT a Nintendo consoles?
Think about that shit long and hard.
>>337253421
>>now, Epic Yarn stage was dropped in favor for a fucking Yoshi stage
Are you implying Yoshi shouldn't get a new stage at all? That's horseshit.
>>337255029
The children he is talking about are actual children AKA the target audience of the game. When someone thinks it's actually directed at themselves as an insult, I think it says more about that person.
>>337255375
???
Children are coming up with conspiracy theories against him?
Holy shit, the nerve of them!
>>337246280
Everyone blames Sakurai and ONLY Sakurai for certain changes or things fan disagree.
OF course any people with normal thought knows while Sakurai is the director there is still a board of Nintendo executives as well as a lot of staff members that input their own bits and pieces into the project.
specially on the roster. Why are there so many FE characters? Let's blame Sakurai, who cares if it was probably a Nintendo choice because FE became fucking popular. Split the last game in two consoles? Let's blame Sakurai, regardless of news clearly stating he didn't even knew this project was starting when they announced both ver. on that one E3 (when we didn't have even visuals).
If you wanna complain blame everyone, not just one man.
>>337254524
>pulling the person of color argument
>in a game where two pink balls, a blue ball, a multicolored dinosaur, a yellow mouse, a orange dragon,a blue dog and Miis exist
also it's not like modders are going to make literally every fan requested character ever now that sm4sh is being cracked open
Man Im actually glad nintendo is sinking right now
Everything has been rockbottom after the the half of the wii's timeline
They can only profit of nintendo mobile apps and amiibos now
And smashfags are the worse fanbase with "btfo" " salty" "muh competitive" "casual elitilist" shit
>>337255375
you're implying people whining about their choices not being playable aren't children
>>337248419
Yeah, but FE is giving consistent sales.
Meanwhile Metroid hes been forgotten, DK got one game and it didn't sell that well cause WiiU and Pikmin is never a blockbuster hit.
This goes beyond Sakurai, of course Nintendo would shill out FE when it's selling more than half their IPs
>>337255653
>>pulling the person of color argument
I'm a black guy and I wanna take a power drill to anyone that pulls that shit for sympathy points, much less any argument at all.
Can't stand that passive aggressive guiltbaiting bullshit.
>>337255218
>Bayonetta fans any less of a waifu fag that got fucking lucky
first of all shantae games are based entirely on fanservice, bayonetta instead is a better DMC, which was already very popular
and she won the ballot, lots of people actually wanted her without retarded artificial hype and spamming like the meme characters in pic related
That's fine and all, but why not address the people who criticize the game design itself and not the content involved? He keeps dodging the real criticisms and only wants to address the stupid shit like rosterfaggotry. Like why is there a setting for official tournaments for custom moves without equipment, but it's not selectable for user made tournaments?
>>337255653
there's that PM fag going around here about some fucks doing moveset hacks of Sm4sh characters, praising it as the best thing ever.
when you see it, it's just a typical brawl hack that has bugs and clunky animations that has to be tested out. or just a costume swap.
>>337254867
>>337254524
There's also the Wolffags, who to this day as much as those guys are still butthurt over his rejection.By hilarious irony, some pretty much admitted they had a hardon for him when they dealt with those supporting Krystal
>>337256036
tournaments are niche and they bring more views than sales, so there's no reason to cater to a market that won't buy your game
Done with Nintendo. Done with Miyamoto, Done with Smash, done with this shit company.
Bought Starfox and that's going to be my last Nintendo game I buy and not pirate, and I'm very glad i did, it's a great game.
But this company, it's developers and decision have all gone to 1000% shit and I will not fucking put up with it anymore.
>>337255645
Splitting the games was okay, having the same roster (which was his idea) was bad
>>337255820
We're kind of on the same page. I'm saying that when Sakurai says "I guess it's because it's mostly children" and someone goes "How dare you call me a child," they're the ones being childish when it wasn't even the original point of the statement.
>>337256246
Wolffags don't exist. I hardly see them anywhere.
>>337256262
But Tournament Mode on /v/kends is the only use I get out of this game anymore, and I'm sure a lot of others are in the same boat as I am. And this isn't even a recent thing either, /v/ tournaments have been my only playtime of the game since the mode debuted.
>>337255827
>DK got one game and it didn't sell that well cause WiiU
Are you stupid? TF is one of the best selling game in the japanese eShop
It's still on the top 5 best selling game there right fucking now
Sakurai is my senpai don't insult him pls
>>337256483
>and I'm sure a lot of others are in the same boat as I am
this misconception is the root of most of the smash community cancer
I miss Snake.
>>337246280
That he still has his mental faculties, and didn't go senile
>>337254673
Spam is brought up as a legitimate question about the game's 'non-competitiveness'.. and to determine what can even be done to make a game non-competitive except making it shitty to play.
Spam in the context of Rosalina and whatever else is a valid point, so fuck off the
Yet again, the reply is a bunch of filler words. Most of that can be said about Nidhogg, but that doesn't make it a deep or compelling experience, and it doesn't explain whatever Sakurai himself said the game is made for -- super casual gameplay.
Fucking launching.. every game has that. Zoning is a meme. Items are RNG. Approach -- inherent to a fighting game. The fuck are you even on about..
>>337256873
>so fuck off the
Deflection.
>>337256779
everyone but konami does
>>337256424
I'm right here
I'm not upset about him not being in or anything, just something I would've liked
>>337256552
Yet FE still kicked it's ass in sales.
DK is not a franchise they do games for every year, unlike FE now, so the priority of his IP getting more fighters is small compared to FE who people today recognize AND is way easier to pick characters.
Not saying Sakurai is not to blame, I'm just fucking tired nobody blames Nintendo as a whole for being shilling assholes.
>>337256312
>Less new stages because "we gotta split evenly".
>Lots of limitations in items, characters, and modes because "It has to work in 3DS!!"
>Music reduced to way shorter loops because muh limitations!
>Samsh Run would probably worked better in the console version.
the 3DS version was a mistake. Specially cause the console version was always gonna make it obsolete as soon as it came out.
>>337256296
No one cares
>>337256765
>Muh seniority
I bet this fuck lost a monitor that day.
>>337256296
>>337256246
more amazing people thought Star Fox was going to get another character
>Wolf was a lucky inclusion, wolffags ignored the ballot and ignore the fact a clone vet being the final DLC wouldn't end nicely than Corrin being the last non-ballot DLC newcomer
>Krystal's more outdated and shunned than K.Rool, furfags making bait threads about her and bragging about some YT e-celeb popstar shilling her hoping to get the last laugh
>repfaggots and their joke character excuse with slippy
>villain band-wagoners trying to push Andross
>>337256552
>eshop
Fucking wow. Meanwhile, in the real world, Wolly World outsold it in one season. TF was a failure, which is why Retro is now working on a new IP instead of their planned DKCR3
>>337255193
I don't even know why Ashley fans are feeling this entitled, considering the fact that asides from Kat & Ana (and their Assist Trophy already existed since Brawl), Nintendo didn't even bother giving something to the ORIGINAL CAST of the WarioWare franchise.
At least Jimmy T got that one stage cameo in the 3DS stage, but he didn't even get a freaking trophy. (Don't bother trying to look for it, he legitimately does not have a trophy).
Mona's Mona Pizza theme was outright removed from the game and her trophy is 2D art that already existed. Description only tells of shit she only made recently on Game & Wario.
9-Volt and 5-Volt also got the 2D trophy treatment, also by pure coincidence, from Game & Wario. At least he got a stage based on his room? (Also don't bother looking for 18-Volt's trophy too)
Kat & Ana's Assist Trophy is nice, but as I've said, it was already there since Brawl. (The only 3D modelled characters asides from Ashley herself)
Good luck finding Dribble & Spitz's trophy.
Dr. Crygor appears nonetheless as, oh, a 2D trophy. Preeetty sure that art is also from Game & Wario.
Mike and his theme are nowhere to be seen. And no, you can stop trying to look for his theme, pretty sure it ain't there.
lol you thought Cricket would get a thing
We got a pretty nice slick 3D model of Wario's bike though!
You fucking niggers should be glad you even GOT something, you measly pile of shits. She even got her theme back AND a Jap. new theme (which is technically the only version people would legitimately care about, because everyone already knows they'd butcher the English one so fucking hard).
>>337255953
>Banjofags
>Literally their reason was a deluded fantasy of them saving him even though he's been long dead
>KRoolfags
>In their sense I can understand why they'd want him, but they blew that out upon the costume
>Shantaefags
>Similar to Banjofags, but instead of a false reality they acted like she was important in some way, not realizing her first game was a massive failure and recently was noticed a decade later
>Raymanfags
>All narrowing down to the Smashified and or the Origins or Legends game
>Laytonfags
>Borderline leakfags, nothing morethey thought the VA = confirmation
>Wolffags
>A bunch of villainfags who also have a good portion that fap to gay shit of him, easily triggered by Krystalfags
>>337257197
>Yet FE still kicked it's ass in sales.
>FE kicked ass in sales
Anon before Awakening FE was taking a huge dip in sales and IS was basically pulling everything out of their asses to salvage it.
>>337257197
>>compared to FE who people today recognize AND is way easier to pick characters.
>FE Characters
>recognizable
Please tell me I misread that. I guarantee the majority of people who saw the Robin/Corrin reveal trailer were like "who the hell is that?"
>>337257252
>>villain band-wagoners trying to push Andross
the fuck, we were quiet as fuck
no way we thought Andross stand a chance for Smash. we were just making fun moveset ideas for him, Sakurai actually encourages that.
pic related wasn't even a thing before the ballot ended
>>337256873
You can't stop spam, I can't stop spam, Sakurai can't stop spam. The only thing that can be done to spam is to punish it, and extended cooldown periods and lessened repeated damage are more punishment than most other games do to combat it.
Filler words? Filler words? I'm boiling down 30-minute explanations into brief words and phrases. Anything you bring up could easily be chided as such. Do you even listen to yourself?
Yes, a lot of traditional fighters do already have a lot of those things. That doesn't mean they don't contribute to the depth of a game.
The way you act, makes me think you've never even tried to play this game with normal people or close friends.
My interest in Smash died when Project M died. Was pretty much the last hope I had for an enjoyable Smash experience beyond 64/Melee after realizing Smash 4 was so bad.
>>337257197
>Less new stages because "we gotta split evenly".
If there was only one version, half of the new stages wouldn't even exist. You wouldn't get both the MK7 stage and the MK8 stage, you would have just got the MK8 stage, because there would only be one Smash game. Same shit with other repeat stages.
If there was only a Wii U version, the Wii U stage list would have been the same except with the addition of the token new F-Zero and Earthbound stage.
>>337257197
>Yet FE still kicked it's ass in sales.
>game was split into 3
>final story locked behind DLC
>filled to the brim with waifu pandering
>was still outsold by Splatoon
"Doing better than expected due to taking the easy road" =/= "kicking ass in sales"
>>337257726
Andross looked like that in Zero but when Fox got to him he looked just as he usually does only no brain fight this time and now he had armor. The fuck happened to his body after Fox and Pepper teleported to his location?
>>337257815
daily reminder
>>337257584
>>Similar to Banjofags, but instead of a false reality they acted like she was important in some way, not realizing her first game was a massive failure and recently was noticed a decade later
Honestly, I think it's because Shantae's gimmick involved transformations invoked by please fuck my face dances and the hair based attacks were done more favorably (not creatively mind you) by Bayonetta
Plus in most of Shantae's games she's kind of slow and clunky to handle.
>>337258102
>implying you didn't still fight a copy
>implying he's not hiding out in the other dimension
>>337258016
>sold twice as much as Dong
>not kicking it's ass
Dude, it's a mainline DONKEY KONG game. If that shit fails, there are some issues.
>>337258102
he's a crazy ass scientist who does bio-experiments on a ton of things
the metal manifestation shit was likely the decoy stuff from SF1 and the cancelled Star Fox 2 when he was a cube hologram
>implying sakurai isn't a pathological liar
>>337250925
She didn't even win the damn ballot, she was picked by them. They disqualified characters above her due to being "not realizable", and refused to tell us who and for what reasons so we couldn't call them out on their bullshit.
>>337257197
>Compared to FE who people today recognize AND is way easier to pick characters
>Fire Emblem
>Recognizable characters
Okay buddy, I'll let you win on that one.
It may be recognizable for Tumblr shipping lads, the waifu fags and the fans from back then, but you can't just say that someone would legitimately recognize these little shits outside of the games.
WELL I GUESS THEY WILL NOW SINCE THEIR FACES ARE ON SMASH
Don't be surprised when someone tells you they learned about Fire Emblem not because they played the games nor about being a self entitled waifu fag, but because they just so happened to see these characters in Smash and pondered where the fuck they came from. They might have known from the series' existance from the GBA era and by word of mouth, but holy shit, don't expect them to suddenly know about their shit.
>>337257726
>this wasn't seen anywhere in Star Fox Zero outside Corneria 2 and the model viewer after you beat the game
i'm even hearing Wolf's model in game was just a half-torso including the rest of his team
not even a single render
>>337257197
Kill yourself
>>337258614
Bowser's forward smash is fucking huge and has more range and size than Wario's. Project M did the f-smash much better.
But Sakurai also did lie about the DLC characters stopping after Mewtwo, and about the DLC characters being as complete as the rest of the cast (they don't even have custom moves).
>>337257815
>>337258131
I do think Smash 4 modding has far more potential than people realize.
Look at this, I downloaded this recreation of Project M's Pokemon Stadium and replaced Pokemon Stadium 2's Omega Form with it. More alternate costumes that don't replace pre-existing ones (we can have up to 263 https://twitter.com/thatsmash4moddr/status/714279108138635266) and they can even have their own voice-clips, sound effects, etc as seen by this one guy who's make some Shadow costumes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QV5Dk28h5s). The next version of Sm4sh Explorer is going to let us add new music without replacing old ones. The game generally seems much more fluid and flexible considering it was designed around DLC so we probably won't have to go through many coding hardships like the PM team did to add more music, more costumes, and probably more characters and stages.
>>337246716
Nintendo recently said they consider it a major IP now, so good luck with that
Marth, Ike and Lucina are probably locks for the next game. And given Sakurai doesn't like to throw away unique characters, Robin & Corrin have a really good chance too.
>>337258614
Of course he is, but he's only doing so in the name of preserving his vision. Even if there are players that can prove him wrong, he'll still stick to his story.
>>337258995
Well even if you could come up with a gimmick, Sakurai would still do cat-like mental gymnastics around this and try to end it on a note he's in the right.
>>337257197
>FE who people today recognize
Only Nintendo fanboys will recognize them, and not because of the FE games but Smash. FE would still be a niche series if not for Nintendo forcing it for so long, and even then it's nowhere near close to being one of Nintendo's 1st tier series.
>>337259432
FE is a major IP now anon
>>337259232
If they brought Lucina they really might as well bring back the character who was actually the playable main character (besides Chrom)
>>337247264
>I agree there are a lot of Fire Emblem characters, but the decision to include so many was strategic.
Marth, Ike and Robin, I get. I get Corrin from a marketing standpoint.
I still find it hard to believe out of all the possible returning veterans, Roy was the best selling option, especially when Squirtle, Ivysaur and Young Link were possible. Meleefags are the only ones that actually like Roy and Meleefags hate Sm4sh anyway.
>>337259186
Of course it has more potential, as does any game with dLC capabilities. The devs are basically preparing the game to have more content in the future as opposed to older games where what they released was all unless they did an expansion pack separately.
I had not paid attention to sm4sh modding at all, but it's good to see it progressing. They already got a tool working to replace the stages and models/costumes? And how hard is it to hack the Wii U to get modded sm4sh?
>>337259150
>But Sakurai also did lie about the DLC characters stopping after Mewtwo
Except he didn't say that. EThis just proves how much lies people say about him like "Sakurai said no clones in Brawl/Smash 4" when he never did.
Palutena, the goddess of light, one of the most powerful characters on the roster. Fucking sucks, I actually wanted to main her when she was revealed but all of her moves are terrible and slow,
>>337259150
>But Sakurai also did lie about the DLC characters stopping after Mewtwo
he never said that
>>337259432
Awakening is the reason FE got super-popular, not Smash. mostly because they started to go back to pandering their former audience.
even with Roy in Melee, FE was still under a struggle with sales from both sides.
>>337259582
>Meleefags are the only ones that actually like Roy
Roy's fucking shit and mocked in Melee
no we don't
>>337259549
It's so weird, IS doesn't give a shit about Robin or Corrin, only Chrom and Lucina. Sakurai Robin, his team chose Corrin, and fans wanted Roy. By the time the next smash comes around, no one will care about Robin or Corrin, but Lucina will still get pushed, and IS will want a new lord to be in Smash. What the fuck do they do with FE characters in Smash 5?
>>337255953
>first of all shantae games are based entirely on fanservice, bayonetta instead is a better DMC, which was already very popular
>and she won the ballot
This is what Bayofags actually believe.
>>337259620
>And how hard is it to hack the Wii U to get modded sm4sh?
http://pastebin.com/ES053DpJ
http://pastebin.com/NENj6bTV
Follow these instructions friend.
>They already got a tool working to replace the stages and models/costumes?
As far as costumes go, like I said, we don't actually even need to replace them. We can just make all new costume slots altogether, as seen here: http://sm4shmods.com/forums/topic/add-new-costume-slots/
Will HAL make smash great again?
>>337259770
>Awakening is the reason FE got super-popular, not Smash
Now you are shitposting pal, dont pretend to be the hipster who played FE before smash.
>>337260327
No they will keep milking Kirby until people stop caring about it.
>>337260327
Kirby planet robobot had more enjoyable combat than Smash 4 2bh.
I just wish the enemies didn't literally die in one hit.
>>337260327
all the fucks who worked on 64/Melee went with Sakarai to Project Sora then Sora LTD.
stop bringing up neo-HAL and Kirby Fighters DX, even if they did Kumazaki will just agree to what Sakurai says.
Motherfucking lying sack of shit. Fuck this hack gook and everything he stands for.
>>337259186
Where is the Sm4sh hacking scene these days? I assume Brawl Vault doesn't have this stuff.
How does one go about fixing this shit game?
>>337260567
They got rid of the skyward strike for sword kirby
>>337257959
>If there was only one version, half of the new stages wouldn't even exist. You wouldn't get both the MK7 stage and the MK8 stage, you would have just got the MK8 stage, because there would only be one Smash game. Same shit with other repeat stages.
We would still have Arena Ferox, Pokemon Unova League and Gerudo Valley, as well as Magicant since a lot of those franchises usually get more than 1 stage in Smash
>>337260687
you can't stop whining already, ashleyfag
>>337260327
Sakurai was in charge at HAL as well it won't change until Nintendo gives the okay to make it more melee like (Higher entry barrier) which of course won't happen because they gotta sell units not cater only to tournyfags
>>337260102
Not him, but Sakurai would have to completely retool Shantae in a way where he's essentially being disingenuous to her games or at least do the kind of work that makes Wayforward have to reconsider the gameplay from that point on.
Bayonetta's mechanics translate to Smash despite different controls to use said moves.
>>337260747
that move was useless as crap
>>337260683
Kumazaki hardly even has an identity for himself. I don't know what people mean by Kumazaki Kirby games when they're just Sakurai's Kirby games with a new bell or whistle here or there.
>>337260747
Because they gave it to the Smash ball powerup.
>>337257598
Yes, but thanks TO Awakening now FE is a big Nintendo IP bigger than Metroid at this point.
>>337257664
>>337258996
>>337259432
I may have phrased it wrong. What I mean is that Fire Emblem as a whole i more in people mind's than DK, specially in Japan which, let's me honest, it's the public who Nintendo ALWAYS pays more attention to.
The fact FE is getting games yearly now and was taken to be done on mobile above a fuck ton of other IPs show how popular the series has become and resonates on japs' minds.
>>337260902
How? She had a game without transformations and if he wanted to add them in he could either do it with B moves/a tilt or aerial that attacks as a transformation or as a Final Smash. It's not necessary for her to be a fighter so how would she be disingenuous in Smash?
>>337260726
http://gamebanana.com/games/5547
We have this, for now.
>>337261216
Pirates Curse is the exception, not the rule.
Other games have her using a hair whip that isn't expanded upon much beyond power and speed up, seeing how it's the animal/creature forms meant to do the heavy lifting.
>>337261000
Kumazaki Kirby games build on what's known to be good and doesn't try to drastically change anything nor put too much resources into completely different modes like a board game. They prioritize being fun over being different.
>>337260102
The worst part of it all is, if it wasn't for Nintendo giving a shit about her enough to have SOMETHING on the console, because they were really that desperate, she probably would have stayed in the very same generation from whence she came from. Back then, she contributed NOTHING to Nintendo, she was released on the PS3 and the Xbox 360, surprise of all surprises, not on the Wii because that shit wouldn't handle the original game. The minute they scooped her up, all they did was take advantage of the game sales she had on the Wii U and force her into Smash, even though she never was Nintendo related at all back then.
The bloody sequel was a commercial FAILURE since it was sold as a niche game for a niche console and no fucking surprise there since most fans who would want to try a sequel got a PS4 instead of a Wii U, not expecting the franchise to make such a move.
>>337261462
i'm pretty sure Bayo2 sold a million on WiiU by now
also, sony and microsoft denied funding Bayo2 so PG went to Nintendo
>>337251180
>There's some things you just can't catch - you can't even imagine it'd happen but does anyway.
If they hard-coded it, yes. But that's shitty coding practice, and I expect more from a company like Nintendo. If they were smart and made it so that each character was a stem off of a base, and you could edit every value that's related to frame data etc. then it really shouldn't be too hard to fine-tune it.
>>337248097
A lot of the Wii audience were Grandmothers who played Wii Sports every so often.
Can't really get them to play Brawl.
>>337246915
>being salty over based as fuck Bayo
lmao
>>337260832
>melee like (Higher entry barrier)
Why do sm4shfags try to pretend like they know what they are talking about?
>>337249537
Nah, I think Sylux has potential though he's not my ideal sort of rival figure for Samus.
Dark Samus should've been in as well.
>Generic sexy fighter vidya lady #10393654 got in over WONDEEEER RED
I'm still salty. Smash was the only chance for The Wonderful 102
>>337261462
>The bloody sequel was a commercial FAILURE
Nope
>>337262124
I think you've misread my sentiment anon.
I meant that whatever Sakurai has to say about his criticism and rosterfagging is no longer my concerned. It's finished, the arguing and character lobbying is over, pack it all up. That sort of thing.
>>337245798
lol nigga can't take the bants
>There are people that think FE is bigger then DK now
This is proof that Intellegent Systems need to die.
>>337262550
That doesn't say anything about a high entry barrier, it actually says the fucking opposite, Sakurai knew the entry barrier was low in Melee,but the Skill ceiling was high and then he lowered the skill ceiling while keeping the entry barrier roughly the same.
>>337261269
>>337260135
>>337259186
So, how do I go about learning how to mod for this game? How are people ripping models to edit them? Where can I find the .ogms? Can we add new models/reanimate characters?
>>337262501
Bayonetta is still a member of the 101 though.
>>337262759
stay mad, DKfag
>>337261750
>Also, Sony and Microsoft denied funding Bayo2 so PG went to Nintendo
Which is why I added the "stay in the generation from whence she came from" bit. This was literally a decision Nintendo had to make, whether to fund Bayonetta 2 or not, had they not given such, she'd legitimately stay as a single hit sleeper game from the PS3/Xbox 360 era. They thought it'd be better for the both of them and now that she's popular now and has both games in the Wii U, they're taking advantage of that to put her in Smash and claim Platinum Games and her as if they were always theirs' to begin with. You can even see just how much Platinum Games is involved with Nintendo now. It's not to say they aren't able to make games for anyone else other than Nintendo, but at this rate, don't be surprised if Nintendo thinks of Platinum Games as a worthy enough development team to have them under their wing.
