Dark Souls 3. Why this game is so disappointing?
I thought it was okay.
>>337194628
But it's the best game since DaS.I have not played BB
>>337194628
But it's the best Souls game
Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls 1 > Bloodborne > Demon Souls > Dark Souls 2
>>337194628
Focuses more on jerking off DS1 than being a good game.
>>337194628
Because it's lost it's identity.
i miss poise
>>337194843
Dont worry anon, its watching...waiting.
Dark souls 3 = dark souls nostalgia + bloodbourne lite
>>337194628
Because you're an edgy contrarian teenage hipster
>>337194921
maybe they'll give me back my favorite damn gesture when they fix their game
>>337194843
No you dont, your just a nostalgia fag mistaking terrible mechanics with what made the game good
Game is pretty good senpai, currently doing a sorcerer run, would've liked for spells to be stronger though. Here's hope for patch.
Also can anyone trade crystal sage rapier with me? I used the soul on the spell and it's actually really shitty. I have souls of greatwood, wolnir, demon, blood wolf.
PS4
I just beat it tonight. Thought everything about it was great except for the final boss - no middleground, either too challenging to take on his second form alone or a single summon and it became trivial.
>>337194954
Basically this, senpai. I wish they would have included a chalice type dungeon crawler to DS3. Hopefully DLC but I'm not counting on it.
>>337195409
I found his second form way easier. Mostly because he had less health and way fewer moves to learn the timing for
SOTFS > DARK SOULS 3 > DEMONS SOULS > DARK SOULS 1 > BLOODBORNE
Ivory king > Old Iron King > Old hunters > Sunken King > Artorias of the abyss
Nostalgiafags need not reply. This is unarguably the correct rankings.
>>337194628
It's alright. I went back to bloodborne already. Post game bloodborne > post game DS3.
>>337194843
So you can havelstoc/havelmeme sword people with no fear of being staggered?
>>337194628
I wasn't disappointed one bit by it.
>>337194628
It's not, it's really good, I just wish the weapons that are slower and take more stamina to swing would have a benefit to them of some sort.
Demon's Souls - Meat Cleaver and greatswords
Dark Souls - Artorias greatsword
Dark Souls 2 - Moonlight greatsword.
Bloodborne - Moonlight greatsword/Burial Blade.
I fucking love regular ol' greatswords but in Dark Souls 3 they're useless because their AR is just barely more than a straight sword, can only be swung half as many times before draining stamina, and are much much MUCH slower. There's virtually no reason to use them other than being a contrarian hipster who doesn't like using effective weapons and is afraid they'll be picked on for their weapon choice.
At the same time I don't believe straight swords and other small weapons need a nerf, it's just the BIG ones need a buff.
>>337195554
>PvPfags trying to have a valid opinion
Cute.
>>337195216
Magic Clutch Ring, Bellowing Dragon Crest, Sage Ring and the Crown of Dusk if you're a waifufag. MLGS is actually decent if you stay out of sl 120 PvP and hopefully From might wisen up and make it Pure Magic Damage or give it A int scaling.
DLC fucking when
I am a consumer whore and my needs must be sated
>>337194628
It wasn't for me. I hated Dark Souls 2 so I went in expecting a massive letdown and was pleasantly surprised. It's not on par with Dark Souls or even Demon's Souls, but the mechanics are fine, that was my biggest problem with 2, and there are some truly great boss fights. Main complaints would be the linearity, all the rehashed elements from earlier entries in the series, and a lack of weapon and covenant diversity. Good game overall though, and I fully expect the DLC to fix most of those issues and be one of the best experiences of the series.
>>337195793
Straight Sword range needs a nerf, especially the darkshitter sword. The phantom range on most ss's are worse then washing pole running attacks.
>>337195862
>nostalgiafag thinking his clunky ps2 Souls game is good
Cute.
Everyone always remembers their first.
>>337195554
>ranking bloodborne last
>counting sotfs but not the base game
>>337196016
I think that's an issue with the game itself, because offline I need to be dryhumping the enemy to hit them with any single handed sword that isn't the washing pole. Online yeah it needs to be fixed but all weapons need that fixed.
>>337194628
Wth are you smoking OP? DaS3 is one of the best souls game out there.
>>337194740
>Best Souls game
>Dark Souls 2 at the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4goJID2X9U
>>337196056
>sonigger thinks his Edgy R1 Spam game is good
>>337196302
>>Dark Souls 2 at the end
Yep, right where it belongs.
>>337194628
I was pretty hyped for DaS3 until I saw it looked pretty much like DaS1. They didn't even take the fucking amazing backstab animations from 2, and everything looked weightless and floaty again.
>>337196375
When will these meme end?
>>337196302
>DS2 is objectively the worst game
>It's time for /v/ - contrarian to pretend it was the best
Why are you such a pack of goddamn sycophant cocksuckers? I wish I could hate you to bald.
>>337195075
I just use "WELCOME" in place of shrug
>>337196421
>and everything looked weightless and floaty again.
You're not even discussing these games anymore. Everything was floaty and weightless in DS2 and Bloodborne but not DS1.
>>337196421
If soul memory wasn't a thing I'd still be playing DS2. No, the Agape ring is a "too little, too late" gimmick and is shit when using a hexer build or a build that uses greatbows.
>>337195552
honestly, yeah, i could have pushed myself to solo him. just wasnt feeling like wasting so much time on that fight (friend is waiting in NG+ for us to play together)
i thought the princes were way more challenging
>>337194628
It's disappointing because you want it to be.
>>337194628
because everytime game loading you see your own reflection
>>337196332
So you've never played it?
>>337196504
>I'm not a bandwagon faggot that just latches on to trends and spouts memes on the internet y-you're a contrarian!
>>337195216
Magic actually does insane damage once you're full build and leveled.
>>337195895
Is missing an item, you want to hold a Scholars candlestick in your main hand. It boosts your sorceries by another 20%. Court Sorcerers staff in your left then Young Dragon Ring, Bellowing Dragoncrest Ring, Magic Clutch Ring and Sage Ring as well as the Crown of Dusk for an additional 10% damage. Don't try to use an actual weapon, you lose too much damage. Stick with Farron Flashsword, Soul Greatsword and Dark Edge for melee, they give you lots of variety and do great damage.
>>337196691
That might have been a decent comeback but your grammar is shit. I'll give you a solid 2/10.
>>337194628
>use the dark sword because it has decent scaling
>buff it up tons, my main DPS sword for generic, no weakness enemies
>find out it's the worst thing ever apparently, cancer weapon ala Estoc
N-nani? The fuck? Why is it so hated?
because heavy weapons don't hit hard enough
and magic sucks, I miss using a quick-cast ring and just surprising bitches on the iron keep bridge with a quick soul greatsword.
>>337196584
What? DaS1 was definitely looked weightless and floaty, assuming you were fast rolling like you should. I never understood how people thought 2 looked floaty, but there was not one peep about 1.
Just going to leave this here
I just beat it for the first time.
Shit was great.
>>337196985
It's so hated because it was literally THE BEST weapon by a massive landslide before the patch that balanced it.
Because the level design was fucking boring. Same issue of 2, but much worse.
In 1, the level design was good because it had to be good. Everything connected into itself, it all flowed really well, bonfires were well placed, etc. In 2 / 3, the over reliance of warping between bonfires did away with the need for the level design to be connected and feel like an actual world.
Also the bosses were neat, but all of them were piss easy
>>337196607
I honestly just said fuck it and just kept levelling, and now i'm nearing SL 600 with PvP just as active as always, surprisingly. People actually try different things at high levels instead of just buffed katanas because stats are limited and they provide the most bang for your buck.
>>337196760
>my opinion is uncommon, therefore it must be correct!
I am a borderline Souls oldfag, started with Demon's Souls in 2010, played Dark from launch, and completely bought into the Dark Souls 2 hype. It's a disappointment on a fundamental level, the movement and weapon mechanics don't even feel like a Souls game. It's clunky and unresponsive. I'm not the only one who thought this either, I played through it while in a PSN chatroom with some /v/ Souls vets from back in the Demon's days and not a single person was happy with the way the game turned out, and how the game controlled was biggest issue. If you like the game that's fine, but don't pretend like it's some esoteric experience that only true Souls patricians can enjoy. In my experience it's the exact opposite: people who were very familiar with the entire Souls series prior to 2 were insanely disappointed by it while those who started with 2 or started with another game but didn't play much of it are more likely to enjoy it.
>>337197157
Because DKS1 attracted a horde of meme spouting mongoloids with no opinions of their own.
2 has by far the best movement and animations in the series. Though i will say for 3 that i like some of the audio and visual feedback for heavy and striking weapons, they have a nice UNMF to them
>>337197416
3 had much better locals than 2. Also much better bosses. Though Dark Souls and Bloodborne rule supremenover environment and mood. DS3 had some amazing music though.
>>337197293
How so?
itt: opinions become fact via anecdotal evidence
never change /v/
>>337197567
great base damage, infusable for great scaling, and straight swords are the best weapons right now, dealing the most damage, the quickest, and eating the least stamina
The only thing I found disappointing was Profaned Capital and how easy Yhorm was. Other than that it's great.
>>337197505
>Trying to pull Soulsfag rank
You are figuratively a massive MASSIVE faggot. Holy shit
>>337194628
>Why this game is so disappointing?
It's not bloodborne
>>337197536
>3 had much better locals than 2. Also much better bosses
>Also much better bosses
>better bosses
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I actually really liked it, but I feel no need to go back to it for quite a while.
>>337197505
oh shit this contrived series of unverifiable personal events has changed how i feel
>>337195668
>le havel boogeyman
Havel equip load requirement is so fucking high that even 150 builds will be them trading poise (non existent damage reduction) for being able to stagger the other guy.
>>337194628
The lore is trash, just like 2.
>>337197735
That's what literally every Dark Souls 2 asskisser does though, pretend like it's only casuals that hate it while the true hardcore fans of the series love it. I'm just telling you that as someone who has invested a lot of time in the series, has been with it from nearly the start, and knows many people who are the same, this is not the case.
>>337194628
because des, das, scholar and bb are all better games
i'm sure it will catch up when the expansions hit
>>337194843
Learn to use L2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnzfruK1DeI
>>337197813
DaS2 is my favorite in the series but I can't pretend the bosses in 3 don't look fucking awesome.
>>337197536
DaS 3 bosses are neat but they are so fucking easy. Sinner alone shits all over every boss except maybe nameless
>>337197813
Nice b8 m8
>8.8/8
SOTFS>DaS3>DaS1>DaS2>DeS
Don't have a ps4.
>>337197813
Dude what the fuck. I don't even fucking remember the bosses in das2 they were all armored knights who were piss easy.
>>337197505
Shit dude, I played DaS1, the DeS, then pre-ordered DaS2. I don't regret my decision one bit, and I still play it to this day.
>>337198231
you'd probably place BB with old hunters up front, I agree with your order except das > das 3
>>337198203
We all know the hardest bosses are left for the DLC anyway.
But does DaS3 have goodmusic?
>>337198416
It's the best in the series, no question.
>>337197813
That is 100% true. Even the DLC had mostly shit bosses.
>Smelter demon reskin
>Nashandra reskin with a side of Velstadt
>literal gank squad complete with havelfag
>a tiger
>two tigers
people who like DaS2 objectively have severe cognitive dissonance, that game is one of the worst piles of shit from has ever released, along with evergrace and eternal ring
>>337197813
Twin princes shits all over everytl boss in Dark Souls 2 don't even start. And that's just one boss.
>>337198059
>I can't pretend the bosses in 3 don't look fucking awesome.
>don't look fucking awesome.
You hit the nail on the head nigga. They LOOK awesome, but they are not awesome because they are undermined by shit mechanics and being under tuned for the player. None of them have enough health, they can be backstabbed, they can be parried, they can be staggered and stunlocked, they have Sif Syndrome, etc.
They are very impressive visually but when it comes to the actual fighting mechanics they are a complete joke.
PVE gameplay was great, I loved most of the bosses.
I hate that they nerfed ranged and magic even though I almost always play as a physical tank. Also, I feel like a lot of enemies were damage sponges. I killed bosses fine but generic enemies were tedious to kill.
Overall I had lots of fun and I'm excited for DLC and patches.
>>337198473
you're gonna have to post some evidence of your claim if you want me to believe you.
I was listening to O&S's theme for the first time since I played it yesterday and its simply magical. What's 3 got?
>>337194628
>Bonfires every 10 meters
Could have cut out all the non-boss bonfires as none of the levels are large enough to require separate bonfires.
>Game feels rushed
Poise being turned off and the unbalance of the majority of rings, spells, weapons just makes me think that a lot of it went untested before release.
>Poor roster of bosses for co-op
As a solo the game the bosses are fine, but there are not many bosses that are fun to fight with others. they are either rediculously easy (vordt, greatwood) or gimmicky as fuck (wolnir, yhorm) or don't even feel like a boss (crystal sage, deacons).
>covenants are broken
3 covenants should have just been the a single covenant. Purples are not much different than reds and actually make reds rather irrelevant. the wolf covenant only works for low levels and its a rare summon from my experience. Sunbros are fine, but the lack of good bosses listed above hurts.
>>337198203
>Sinner alone shits all over every boss except maybe nameless
This is painfully untrue. Sinner is beyond easy. I can't even comprehend how anybody could have trouble with her.
Did you overlevel in DaS3 or were you underleveled in DaS2?
>>337195216
I got one hit killed by a sorcerer, not sure how. Those were about 800-900 damage with a soul arrow.
>>337198416
I didn't think it would be able to top Bloodborne but it so fucking did.
>>337198717
Sinner used to be an actual boss before she got nerfed to shit. Now she is DKS3 tier
>>337198231
>SOTFS
I don't understand this. SotFS barely changed shit from 2.
>>337198203
sinner is about as hard as the pontiff, the abyss watcher, the twin princes, and the final boss. its difficulty really wasn't exceptional, though it was probably the coolest boss in the game
>>337198568
Look up the boss battle music for twin princes. One of the best boss themes in the entire series.
So what's the havelhexadon of 3?
>>337198826
Oh. Is that what it is? Okay anon :3
>>337198931
not the same guy just fyi
>>337198012
Caestus is literally the best weapon PVP until they fix poise.
>>337194628
its not. you are just a fag.
>magic is bad
jesus at least play until lategame before making judgment calls like that, magic of all forms is competitive and strong as fuck in III, it just has a weak early-game.
>>337198568
O&S's ost is terrible. Motoi Sakuraba is a hack. Demon's Souls is the only game in the series with a good soundtrack. Some other tracks are decent like Mergo and Gwyn but that's it.
This happens too much
>>337199007
Neither am I
>>337199151
>DeS soundtrack
>good
Pick none
>>337194628
After DaS2 and Bloodborne it was actually a pleasant surprise.
>>337198575
The only boss that has ever been fun to fight in co-op is O&S and maybe gargs.
>>337199151
What makes it bad?
>>337199272
>your taste
>shit
pick two
>>337198826
She wasn't hard even before the nerf. The only time she's even slightly difficult is in ng+ when she has two pyrofags pop out of the walls.
There's only one boss in vanilla DaS2 I would call difficult, at least for a 2H melee fag, and that's Darklurker. I'm sure that boss is piss easy too if you have a shield/magic.
>>337194843
>>337199151
>DeS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIW7Ho4xMa4
Defend this
>>337199151
>O&S's ost is terrible.
Kill yourself. No one with this much shit taste should be allowed to live.
>>337199393
Not him but Motoi has a tendency to have a shit load of samey songs.
Even in the first DaS there are plenty of songs that all sort of sound like the Golden Sum battle theme, another game he orchestrated.
>>337199605
Jesus.
>>337199605
Its the developers laughing at your first attempt in a chorus, its fitting.
>>337199393
Sakuraba's soundtracks all sound the same and are too hollywood-ish for Dark Souls. Just a bunch of gregorian chants and orchestral pieces that mean nothing.
>>337194843
I heard a rumor that poise was gonna get patched in. Granted, I heard it on /v/, so it's probably bullshit.
>mfw you can actually stun enemies in the Undead Settlement by fucking rolling into them
>>337199605
>Defend this
What's to defend?
It fits the fight to a T.
I bet you probably have shit enough taste to ask someone to 'defend' the clarinet in the Storm King, Adjudicator, and Phalanx bosses too, which all had incredible tracks by the way.
>>337194628
Got my platinum today. It was better than 2 at least. Hopefully the dlc is good.
>>337199518
>3 variations
>they're all useless
Bravo From.
>>337199605
Not him, but I don't think it's that bad
Fact: Dark Souls is the fedora of video games
>>337199605
Probably the worst boss music in all of the Soulsborne games.
>>337200065
Fact: You will die alone.
>>337200065
Fact: multiplayer FPS are the flame button-up shirts of video games
I need to finish Mounds and Blades of Darkmoon for my platinum trophy.
Who in the fuck thought Blades was a good idea? I've never been summoned. Fucking hate farming because the covenant doesn't work. This is pure bladestone and Chalice Dungeons all over again.
>>337197910
all you've done so far is strawman by making up what you claim are common arguments in support of dark souls 2 and then tearing them down
>>337199605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ESqvGzdnvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJUQg_U5HY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3WBu8Lxa9Q
These three tracks alone are better than any of the music in any other game of the series.
>>337200149
Fact: u will die alone with a terrible taste in ur only hobby
>>337198575
>Could have cut out all the non-boss bonfires as none of the levels are large enough to require separate bonfires.
>What is Undead Settlement + Road of Sacrifice + Crucifixion Woods?
>>337200329
>muh quirky soundtrack
2 of those sound fucking awful
Maiden Astraea's is the only good track in the game
Take off your nostalgia goggles faggot
>>337199151
>muh demons is the best
dark souls beta at best. ost fucking blows, only maiden astraea and false king's themes are good.
>>337200419
Fact: You will die alone with a terrible grasp on your only language.
>>337200448
>High Lord Wolnir, Irithyll, Central Irithyll
>3 fucking bonfires one stamina bar away from eachother
Great design
>>337194628
Its disappointing because its the most casual Souls yet. Don't get me wrong its fun, looks great and plays well but I've lost count of the amount of times I've been summoned to a boss which the cutscene hasn't even been triggered for yet. You've also got:
>e-celebs and Bandai forcing the wew so hard, git gud, prepare to die and die and die again meme
>Broken weapons and magic outside pyromancy having a big disadvantage
>From having shitty balancing (Estocs/Dark Swords are fine but lets remove the patch we did to fix Dancer's Memechanted Swords or further nerf parts of magic)
>Poise being off (To be fair, I'm still unsure if its better to have it on or not. I'll still add this as a point here anyway)
>Two covenants are the same, most of the auto summoning ones don't work
>Most invasions are gank squads, turning into 4 or even 5v1's
>Patch 1.06 only being released the other day for PC's.
>Bonus one: No Blue Eye Orb
>>337200329
I wouldn't rank any of those tracks higher than anything from DaS except maybe Taurus or Capra Demon. I loved DeS, but the soundtrack was the weakest part of the game for me.
>>337200649
You forgot about Dragonslayer Armor -> Grand Archives.
That right there was some literally laughable game design, the bonfires were a 100 meters away from each other in a straight line with no enemies between them.
>>337200489
>quirky
nice irrelevant buzzword you pulled out of your ass
>2 of those sound fucking awful
if you think one who craves souls is awful, you're just telling everyone your taste is garbage.
>Maiden Astraea's is the only good track in the game
and the whole shrine of storms lineup, and the main theme/king allant remix. others are debatable, but if you think it's down to being 'quirky' and only based on nostalgia, it's pretty clear you never had any appreciation for demon's souls in the first place. not with that dipshit attitude.
>>337200419
>ur
>u
Fact: You are underage.
>>337194628
>Why this game is so disappointing?
Because they've gotten complacent. They did what a lot of companies do, which is they make a really amazing game, and then just keep cashing in on copies of it. Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are my favourite games ever, but I don't even buy Souls games anymore, because I already bought it twice, I don't need to keep buying it over and over again.
>no poise
>no duel wielding
>same shitty balance as DS2
>bows are still shit
>crossbows are still shit
>greatbows are still shit
>claws are still shit
>scythes are still shit, sweetspots are back
>whips are still shit
>still 1 pyromancy flame
>arrows now cap at 90, greatarrows cap at 40. Many other items let you carry a very limited amount, eg 5 UHC, 40 throwing knives, etc.
>some bosses being shitty gimmicks
>lazy b-team tier trial & error ambushes
>mimics out the ass
>retarded PvP/invasions mechanics
>ganks out the ass, way easier to gank now
>in conjunction with last 2, twinking is kill, meanwhile NPC invaders have twink-tier NG+ health and damage.
>>337200859
Bloodborne was great and a fresh coat of paint on the series.
>>337200649
I'd remove the Irithyll bonfire because it's completely pointless, but the Central Irithyll can stay. Going up empty stairs then down empty stairs then run all the way on an (empty) bridge just to go back into the main level is annoying for nothing.
>>337200576
Excuse me im an english and art major and i make six figures while playing good video games, who are u lmao? U dont understand that some people r posting on things that arent computers and dont wanna waste time typing out full words on fuckos like u buddy ur human waste
>>337200862
>bows are still shit
>crossbows are still shit
>greatbows are still shit
What do you mean by this? Did you really expect them to be viable in PvP?
>>337200862
>Sweetspots are back
Wrong, "efficientspots" are back.
Cause you don't deal MORE damage if you land the best spot, you deal NORMAL damage.
>>337200561
Demon's Souls soundtrack is actually subtle and fitting. There's not a single memorable soundtrack from Dark Souls. Motoi is a shitty composer.
>>337196302
Only PvP wise. It's a fucking chore to play through.
>>337201090
Wrong, you do NORMAL damage when hitting with the blade. If you don't, there's a 20% damage penalty.
>>337200939
>this post
>>337198861
What the shit? Absolutely not true
>>337201174
That's... what I just said.
Did you even read it?
>>337200862
>sweetspots are back
;_;
>>337200862
>>no duel wielding
You mean that unfinished joke that was powerstancing?
>>bows are still shit
Bows are literally the best they have ever been in a Souls game. They're excellent outside of PVP too.
>>crossbows are still shit
Same as above. Get good you shitter, it sounds like you just used these things with their default stats and bolts and just decided they were bad. Actually try to run with them, they're great. Avelyn and Greatbows are some of the most potent weapons in the game.
>>greatbows are still shit
Same principle, you are a shitter.
>>claws are still shit
And again. Try upgrading them.
>>some bosses being shitty gimmicks
For example? Bosses in the Souls games have always had gimmicks. Whether or not they're shitty varies.
>>lazy b-team tier trial & error ambushes
The enemy placement is a shitload better than the literal b-team tier trash in SotFS.
>>mimics out the ass
Wow an enemy type that's actually a little more prevalent and therefore threatening, bad design yeah.
>>ganks out the ass, way easier to gank now
Easier to gank because summons this is the one Souls game where invasions happen consistently (looking at DaS2) and you can actually summon more than one person without the netcode permanently freaking out (DeS, DaS).
>>337201138
>There's not a single memorable soundtrack from Dark Souls.
>>337200862
you forgot
>shit ng+ like hackazaki promised
>New Game+ will look more like Dark Souls II than other games, with new weapons, items, and reconfigured enemy locations and placements to keep the surprises and exploration elements fresh in Dark Souls III. Of particular note is that bonfire ascetics will not be returning, so players will be unable to artificially + zones.
what a fucking joke.
>>337201243
Absolutely true. Lost Sinner wasn't difficult.
>>337201138
>Artorias
>Sif
>OnS
>Nito
>Priscilla
>Kalameet
>Gwyn
>Not memorable
fag
Meanwhile DaS2 only has
>Velstadt
>Nashandra
>uhh?
>>337201243
if that's not true it's only because the sinner is easier than the das 3 sword-swinging humanoids. they're comparable at any rate.
>>337201516
Sinner is much easier than Pontiff, Abyss Watchers, Twin Princes or Soul of Cinder.
Unless you mean NG+ Sinner which is just the fucking boss with two Pyromancer Phantoms added.
>>337201520
>nameless song
>ash lake
>moonlight butterfly
>>337201393
One thing that is fucking broken is the hosts ability to pretty much summon an infinite number of phantoms.
>>337201393
Not him but Yhorm's fight was a shitty gimmick unless you die while trying to figure out how to use Storm Maker. Especially if you managed to bring Siegward along. I'd argue Wolnir/Deacons too but those fights did their job.
>>337201393
Power Stancing was a great addition, you can't even wield weapons on your left hand now for fuck's sake.
Longbows are completely fucking useless and ranged weapons can't be infused anymore. You also have fuck all ammo and consumables just like bloodborne. Claws are fucking worthless unless you're doing a bleed build, and even then they're inferior to the dual katanas and warden twinblades.
In a game with only 19 bosses, having 6 gimmick boss fights is not good design, especially if it's the last fucking game in the series. The enemy placement is literally exactly the same as DaS2, cause it's the SAME FUCKING TEAM plus Miyazaki.
Most of the chests are mimics, so there's literally 0 tension and they also took out trap chests, making them even more boring.
>>337201712
Storm Ruler* Don't know why the hell I thought Storm Maker
>>337194628
so not worth the 60 dollars and just wait for a price cut?
>>337201713
>consumables
I'm glad they got rid of life gems. Get fucked, faggot.
>>337201520
>forgetting Sir Alonne
>>337201713
>you can't even wield weapons on your left hand now for fuck's sake.
did you even try putting a weapon in your left hand?
>>337196482
The meme is pretending Dark Souls 2 is a good game. It was fucking shit
>>337200991
Crossbows
>can't infuse
>all have the same weapon art
>limited ammunition capacity
>no scaling at all
Bows
>can't infuse
>no bleed arrows
>no explosive arrows
>shit scaling for most, if not all
>no frost arrows/bolts, frost is shit but still.
Greatbows
>still slow as fuck stamina eaters, plays exactly the same as DS2. Can never build around them unless going for a gimmick build.
>only 2 fucking greatbows
>both have same weapon art
>only get them late into the game
>garbage scaling at max, 1 of them gets a B in dex but:
>can't infuse
>only 3 arrow types
>limit ammunition capacity
>>337201812
I meant resins, arrows, etc.
Also I'd rather have lifegems than 15 flasks that heal you instantly for 1/3rd of your hp at 40 VIG.
>>337201874
Did you?
>>337194628
Is the best souls , better than BB in my opinion ( main game and chalice).
>>337201713
>only 19 bosses
You say that like it's a small number. If you want a game stuffed to the brim with boring bosses, play DaS2.
>>337194628
The real Souls trilogy was Demon's Souls > Dark Souls > Bloodborne.
>>337201945
Yeah and it works just fine. I can attack and block with them if I want. Crazy, huh?
>>337197705
Agreed. I don't know how they can call it a Capital when it was one building lol
>>337200918
Actually, here's how I would fix the game:
>all the bonfires in Cemetary of Ash can stay
>same with High Wall of Lothric because new players don't have a load of estus and some specs require them to split between healing and ashen
>remove Foot of the High Wall and Cliff Underside
>remove Crucifixion Woods bonfire, you can easily run to the Crystal Sage from Halfway Fortress and, unlike Halfway, it immediately spawns you into the territory of the Watchdogs instead of on the fringe
>remove Farron Keep Perimeter (it's a shortcut from Halfway Fortress FFS) and Keep Ruins (it's put right in the path where you light the fires without getting poisoned at all and its presence doesn't really reward exploring)
>remove Catacombs of Carthus bonfire and instead, make the gate behind it a shortcut, you can just take the route to the right of the Abyss Watchers bonfire to get to it really quick anyway
>remove Old King's Antechamber bonfire
>remove Irithyll and Prison Tower bonfires
>remove Lothric Castle bonfire, you already got the Dancer
>remove Grand Archives... really obvious why
>remove Dragon-Kin Mausoleum and don't make the Ancient Wyvern teleport you
>keep Untended Graves bonfire because even if you have the Oceiros bonfire, you can't get back up without that bonfire unless you kill the boss, use a homeward or dark sign
>>337201713
>Power Stancing was a great addition,
Power stancing was patchy as fuck, even compared to weapon arts. As a mechanic it was barely relevant.
>Longbows are completely fucking useless
So that's why having a longbow +10, hawk ring, and feather arrows, with over 30 in physical stats, makes for fast, long-range hits with good damage. Okay. They're useless in PVP because the i-frames in rolling are so long and the latency is so inconsistent, but they're irrefutably excellent for PVE.
>In a game with only 19 bosses, having 6 gimmick boss fights is not good design, especially if it's the last fucking game in the series.
This is so vague it's stupid. Which bosses, which gimmicks, and why were they bad.
>The enemy placement is literally exactly the same as DaS2
Absolutely wrong. And I specified SotFS, whose enemy placement is like a satire of the Souls games. It's honestly a joke how much shit gets spammed at the player in SotFS.
>>337202079
I forgot, add the Cathedral of the Deep bonfire, you already have the Crystal Sage bonfire so short FFS.
>>337201994
And what's your point? In DaS2 weapons had the same movesets in both hands. You can't do that anymore.
>>337198231
Ok firstly, STOP classing SOTFS as a separate game from DS2 you fucking dumbass.
Secondly, if you honestly think 'DARK SOULS 2' is the best in the series, you are a complete and utter buffoon.
>>337202167
That bonfire's fine. It's the only one in the main cathedral besides the deacon's bonfire and every shortcut loops back to it
>>337201812
The game had to throw life gems at you because for the first couple hours players were going to have one, maybe two, estus flasks to get through areas. It's just another fucked up design decision that was put in place to alleviate another fucked up design decision.
>>337202231
Anon, there's a Bonfire before the one in the Chapel.
>>337202173
My point is that you were incorrect in saying you can't even wield weapons in your left hand. You have a limited movepool while doing so, but it's not impossible. Besides, using a weapon in your left hand didn't have a point for the most part. They burned more stamina and weren't any different from using them in the right hand, except for the majestic greatsword's anime flips.
>>337202201
Wow, those are some great arguments. You sure proved him wrong!
>>337202201
there is literally no fanbase that gets more butthurt than you guys
I fucking love it
>>337198514
This.
It's actually embarrassing how many people (only on /v/ though, which is amusing) have now pulled a 180 and claim that DaS2 is one of the greatest games of all time.
I can only assume they're delusional, or just genuinely total idiots.
>>337202231
I'm talking about the bonfire right before the bandit with the Spider Shield and after the Evangelist. It's completely pointless because there are 3 enemies between the Crystal Sage and that bonfire, and the area after that leads to the Chapel bonfire is fucking short too.
>>337202302
You're talking about the one near the paladin's ashes and the spider shield enemy?
>>337201930
>Can never build around them unless going for a gimmick build.
This is so retarded. You don't have to 'build' around greatbows. Physical stats and an upgraded greatbow are all the 'build' you need to shit on people with one.
You clearly expect bows to be god weapons when they're already great in their current state. Maybe if you actually saw what damage they did fully upgraded and with good bolts, you wouldn't be asking for dumb shit like infusion and more ammo capacity (that gets automatically refilled every time you sit at a bonfire anyway).
A few things I dislike about it
>removed powerstancing in favor of weapons that are just two short swords
>removed DaS2 Poise (which was miles better than DaS1 Poise) and just implemented DaS1s again but turned it off.
>Weapons requiring ridiculous stat investments, some Strength weapons requiring 20 Dexterity
>Scaling is completely screwed making Quality builds the only good ones in the forced "meta" levels because in order to get any sort of good damage out of Sorceries, Miracles, or Pyromancies the player needs to invest in a ridiculous amount of stats
>Blue Sentinels and Darkmoon Blades are completely busted, no Blue Eye Orb to let them just search for worlds currently being invaded
>Invaders having a higher probably to invade worlds with phantoms there, making invasions usually 2v1s or more often than not
>Acquiring Proofs of a Concord Kept has so many stipulations compared to every other Covenant item is fucking absurd
>Faith builds are completely worthless
>Armor not providing much damage absorption when most of it weighs a metric fuck ton and you will easily go over your 70% mark just by equipping a chest piece if you don't pump VIT, on top of Poise being turned off
>Weapon Arts using a resource dictated by magic builds
>Everything that uses FP use a ridculous amount of it, and Attunement doesn't give near the amount of FP it needs to give
>Hyper aggressive enemies who attack non stop and have auto tracking attacks
>General things in the game feeling like they were made hard for the sake of being hard
>>337202350
>second most critically acclaimed in the series
>had more consistently online players than DaS, DeS and BB until DaS 3
you're right, it's only on /v/ people enjoyed the game
you guys aren't contrarians at all
1.) Linear, only one way to sequence break (doing Dancer early) and even then, you can't get to Grand Archives until you beat all the other Lords.
2.) Garbage weapon balance, low weapon variety, some infusions are simply worthless.
3.) Most magic is worthless, thus completely murdering build variety.
4.) Terrible case of phantom range, way worse than it was in DS1.
5.) A stat that does not do what it claims, and in fact, does nothing. This stat has several items which specifically increase it, and thus they do nothing as well.
6.) World doesn't feel properly interconnected, good design within each level, but the levels feel poorly connected together.
7.) Holy shit Yhorm was a terrible waste of a lord of cinder boss fight
8.) Covenants were complete garbage, had even less rewards than they've ever had, some of them still don't work properly.
9.) Invasions are fucked, online connectivity being tied to weapon upgrade is fucked
>>337202396
Right, that's fine, I thought you meant the other.
I remember starting up DaS and having a blast just killing skeletons without knowing where to actually go.
I remember getting past the tutorial of DaS2 and being completely frustrated because of the sea of enemies and the general shitty placement of them.
>>337202079
>>remove Dragon-Kin Mausoleum and don't make the Ancient Wyvern teleport you
Reason why being that there's a fucking elevator right next to it that leads to the first bonfire in the area.
>>337198515
lol you must be a fag, since you liek gay boss ;)
Is armor literally worthless? I built vit to wear heavier stuff but i still get 1 shot riposted at full health. this game is just pushing me to go naked with rapier, fast roll has got to be better than this.
>>337202458
LOL okay bud, don't play this game pls
>>337202641
I don't think he did to begin with lol
>>337202640
Fast roll is literally just 25% longer roll distance. That's it.
>>337202640
Pretty much, the damage reduction isn't much. Poise doesn't exist either, it's just for looks really. I'd say the only useful armor is the Armor of Thorns set.
>>337202641
I've played DS 1, 2, and 3
>>337202640
Basically yes, absorption with the heaviest armor sets gives you maybe 10-20% reduction after the flat reduction that you get no matter your armor set.
If only heavy armor also gave you some sort of stat that made you resistant to being staggered by the lightest of feathers.
>>337202641
>>337202737
>nooooo pls don't criticize my favorite game!!!! :((((
>>337202457
>second most critically acclaimed in the series
Call of Duty is also critically acclaimed, your point?
>had more consistently online players than DaS, DeS and BB until DaS 3
Source? Where are you even getting those numbers?
And the whole point is that people on /v/ DIDN'T enjoy the game. They're just pretending they did all of a sudden because they are being weirdly contrarian about it.
DaS2 is complete shit compared to the rest of the Souls games.
>>337202457
>DaS2 had a more active online than two older entries in the series and a platform exclusive game
Wow, clearly it's the best!
You should go check out a few /v/ and /vg/ Souls players' youtube channels (Kobra, Afro, Ippiki, Flash, Cass) and compare the amount of content they put out for Dark Souls 2 to the amount they put out for Dark Souls. Then look at how much they're currently putting out for Dark Souls 3. Hell, a good portion of the Dark Souls Twitch pvp community flat out quit when Dark Souls 2 released. Even fucking Lucifer the shiposting /dsg/ tripfag moron agrees that Dark Souls 2 is a pile of shit and he went to go play Bloodborne instead. Anyone who knows anything at all about the games and has any experience in them hates Dark Souls 2. It's garbage, plain and simple.
>>337194628
Because the game feels like a chore. There are so many huge open areas with a thon of items that it takes multiple tries to get them all.
>>337194628
I honestly can't think of anything it ads to the series other than weapon arts and the luck stat.
The first half is really mediocre and feels like the chore that has to get done before the playthrough begins.
The combination of soul level and weapon reinforcement as matchmaking parameters is reducing the number of people you can connect with on the whole. Should have just been weapon reinforcement that determined matchmaking.
Half the covenants aren't worth using or are mechanically identical to other covenants.
>>337194761
*retconning DS1
>>337202458
>5.) A stat that does not do what it claims, and in fact, does nothing. This stat has several items which specifically increase it, and thus they do nothing as well.
This is the thing that upsets me the most. Why the fuck is it like this? Why didn't they just remove the stat and get rid of the items? The first few hours of my first playthrough I went way out of my way to try and increase my poise, until I eventually realized it literally didn't do anything.
>>337194628
>Dark Souls 3. Why this game is so disappointing?
No surprises in a series in a series that was basically all about surprises.
It sticks to the same weapons, same playstyle, same kind of magic, same kind of enemies, same kind of locations, etc.
It even rehashes tons of stuff from the older games in the form of armor, weapons and shit.
It gives off the feeling of been-there-done-that.
>>337202897
So this is your first Souls game then.
>>337202457
>there can only be one opinion, everyone else that doesn't agree with me is a contrarian! People are just contrarians for the sake of being contrarians!!
Do you ever think that maybe, just maybe people have different opinions? This place isn't a hug box. Not everyone liked DaS2, I don't know why that's so hard for you retards to understand.
i like ds2 just for the variety of looks and weapons i can use, even if most are the same movesets. Oh and the amount of bosses, i like the boss rush feel of 2.
>>337203026
This. It's a solid game, but I almost respect DaS2 more for trying to add new shit in, even if it didn't always work.
>>337202896
This post. This fucking post. This is the essence of a true Dark Souls 1 faggot.
Fucking cancer of the community.
>>337202409
Yes.
It's right after Sage and right before the Chapel.
http://wccftech.com/dark-souls-3-future-update-include-fix-cheating-stats-altering-weapons/
>A few hours ago, Bandai Namco US Community Manager has confirmed that he is going to talk with the team about the Poise matter, so we will finally know whether if this stat working like this is either intentional or not.
Did anything ever come of this? This was about a week ago.
>>337203208
I am truly sorry that nobody who actually knows what they're talking about with regards to Souls games respects your pile of trash game. I know it must be frustrating since liking DaS2 when everyone else hates it must make you feel like such a special little snowflake.
>>337202997
I'll never understand it either.
I'm just assuming FROMSOFT went full kike and decided to start rushing it out to get maximum jewgold for their next game, which is probably just another armored core.
>>337202458
>Invasions are fucked, online connectivity being tied to weapon upgrade is fucked
You don't need to Invade to upgrade your weapon. And invasion is based on your highest weapon ever, I really don't get why anyone wouldn't just push their weapon to +10.
I'm not sure which you're implying, either way, but they're fine.
>>337203321
>Did anything ever come of this?
No. It's going to get draw out and have no point in the end.
>>337194628
Its level design is too safe. There's not really any whacky shit or it doesn't really try to surprise you, it only focuses on being "solid".
>>337203208
>People don't like the weakest game in a series
>they're cancer
strange reasoning
>>337203439
What I'm saying is that it's absurd to tie online connectivity to your highest weapon upgrade ever, especially when there's no way to know about it in-game.
It should be what weapons you currently have in your inventory at worst, I understand that they're trying to cut down on twinking faggots.
It's a bad move to make it your highest weapon ever, because then if you don't know about it and upgrade a weapon to +4, you are essentially locked out of summons for the Farron Watchdogs covenant until NG+.
>>337194628
Because it took some very significant steps back from DaS2 for seemingly no reason at all.
>Made Estus heal instantly even though DaS2 made it a gradual heal so you can punish panic chuggers
>Made all forms of magic garbage outclassed by fast weapons when DaS2 balanced them so they could be viable alternatives in both PvP and PvE
>Instead of balancing and diversifying weapons, make it so fast weapons are king and slow weapons get fucked
>Break the auto-summon invasions harder than DaS2 ever did despite there being no Soul Memory
>Removing the blue eye orb (which was present in both DS and DaS2) for literally no reason, making Dorkmoons and Blue Sentinels redundant copies
>etc.
Jesus christ, I'm starting to think Miyazaki is a hack if not kept in check.
>>337203343
>Lucifer
>knowing what he's talking about in regards to Souls games
>>337203572
I'm glad you aren't on the design team.
>>337195409
I just finished it tonight also, I didn't find it hard at all, only died twice with no help. I was disappointed that it felt pretty uninspired. All in all I liked the game a lot. My only complaint I really couldn't ever quite shake that tedious feeling of whether or not everything I hold sacred about the game was going to be raped around the next corner, they way they me in Das2. jesus christ i wish i'd never played that game.
DaS II was fucking bland and boring trash
>Leave /v/ for a bit to avoid spoilers because I need to upgrade my PC before I can play DaS3
>This thread
Last souls game in the series, right?
>>337203656
>Made all forms of magic garbage
Seems like a step forward from DaS2.
>>337203572
The only way it tries to surprise the player is to have an enemy drop down on you from above when you try to grab an item. That shit gets old the after first two times it happens.
I've been using the first dragon on the wall of lothric to get easy souls, is this necessary at all? I'm honestly really bored with this game but I'm terrified of getting slaughtered if I do anything else.
>>337203679
Why? Because there's nothing interesting in DaS3 since it doesn't try anything at all outside of boss fights? Is that what you want?
>>337203763
(You)
>>337203825
You are a huge faggot.
>>337203825
>First dragon
You're... kidding, right?
Just play some more, you get HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of souls down the line by just playing.
>>337203763
Yeah I love that there's even less viable playstyles and builds than before, that's really stellar. I haven't even tried to play a magic user, but in the 30 or 40 hours of pvp I've had I've seen one guy who was a pure magic user, and less than a dozen guys who could only shit out some garbage soul arrows.
>>337203893
>asshurt magicfag
>>337203978
Why even have magic in the game then? Just remove it.
>>337203963
Good. PvP with magic cucks wad boring as fuck.
>>337203825
Why the fuck would you do that? That makes no sense. I really truly do not understand your mentality.
>I'm honestly really bored with this game
Probably because all you're doing is killing the same enemy over and over for no real purpose. Do you think that might be it?
>>337203963
It's cause Magic has really small areas of effect and is a projectile, so you have to anticipate your enemy's movement so your magic doesn't just sail through/around them.
>>337203026
you are forgetting what really happened
>miyazaki:i made dark souls now im going to make a new game
>bandai namco:so im going o make ds2 witthout you :DD ebin
>makes ds2 is shit
>miyazaki makes bloodborne dlc
>bandai namco:hey we sold ds2 to a lot of shitters and made soft and sold the same game twice! muh shekels i will make a dark souls 3 for more money oy vey
>miyazaki:stop ruining my series i will be the director and this shit so you wont ruin it like you did with ds2
>bandai namco:ok
>>337200746
I don't understand the screeching over DA bonfire.
It doesn't hinder you.
It doesn't bother you unless you let it.
It's not the first gratuitous bonfire in souls, that much is for sure.
>>337204054
No, it wasn't. What's boring is that everyone is some light armor dark sword/estoc user. Everyone is just a melee guy with no real variation. I seriously hate people who think like you.
>>337204041
>Why even have magic in the game then?
I wonder that myself. It made both DaS and DaS2 trivial in PvE, and it was useless in PvP against somebody who knew what they were doing.
>>337204054
DaS2 pre-1.09 PvP was the best since magic was viable and fun and not actually OP.
I like how DaS2 had your usual strong but predictable spells like CSS that hit like a truck and fuck your shit up, but also stuff like soul geyser, soul vortext, and soul shower which did pitiful damage but could surprise and punish your opponent. It made PvP much more dynamic and fun, especially when it was 2v1 or 2v2 since you can light up the area with magic.
DaS3 has... the three farron spells which are faster versions of existing spells I guess?
What do you guys enjoy most about the game?
Genuine question. I've just killed the big tree and at this point I'm honestly just finding the game tedious. I haven't even died much aside from first encounters where I'm learning their moves
>>337204170
Let me stand far away and shoot shit at you while you roll and get a backstab on me, k?
>>337203978
t. havel shield/cestus darksword/estoc fastroll user.
>>337204260
I'm not sure
