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PS1 emulator has just fixed the warping textures and jittering found in emulation. Some videos:
>Need for Speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAtHdNwoa9Q
>Bomberman Fantasy race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLuO9kK9k10
>Bushido Blade 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uiEFoc6iEw
>Crash Team Racing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOL9v9Ig39M
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>>337114058
No texture correction.
It just won't FEEL right.
has existed for awhile but frequently caused texture and HUD problems (chrono cross is a good example)
was that rectified?
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>>337114102
With it.
![1462790608609[1].webm](https://i.imgur.com/mDZh7if.jpg "1462790608609[1].webm")
Very work in progress and causes some problems in some games.
>>337114139
>has existed for awhile but frequently caused texture and HUD problems (chrono cross is a good example)
> was that rectified?
No, it's never existed before.
There has been anti-jitter features before. This is both anti-jitter AND texture correction.
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>>337114135
>muh feels
Straight lines are now possible in PS1 games.
>>337114102
>>337114154
maybe it's retarded nostalgia but the lack of lava lamp textures makes things look stiff and "dead", like it added some liveliness to otherwise rough / awkward and minimally animated 3d models
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>>337114330
Looks like shit desu
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>>337114337
Pepsiman is just a shitty sorta lifeless game. It's just to show off the concept.
Would you prefer games to look like this?
btw, it does not appear to work in MGS at least not yet.
>>337114256
How do you even get a boost start in Wipeout 1? I could never figure it out, does it even exist
>>337114445
Probably some 16 year old spoiled by PS4 games.
>>337114614
That's PC version right? The text looks different than PS1.
>Jonny Sasaki became a super bad ass main character in 4 and married Meryl
wtf was Kojima thinking?
>>337114680
It's the PS1 version. Yes it looks that good.
>>337114256
what a great demonstration by the type of retard that would even want this in the first place
>>337114719
No it's not you cunt.
>>337114763
Looks like shit then.
what emulator / plugin is this? and what is "texture correction" aside from anti jitter
Goddamn why did this have to happen AFTER I buy the ff9 rerelease
>>337114882
Say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens.
You finally caught up to N64
Congratulations Sony!
IT'S OVER NINTENDO IS FINISHED
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>>337114896
It's a plugin for pcsxr. Download:
http://ngemu.com/threads/peteopengl2tweak-tweaker-for-peteopengl2-plugin-w-gte-accuracy-hack.160319/page-48
>and what is "texture correction" aside from anti jitter
PS1 is not a true 3D system and takes tons of short cuts. As such, the 3D has a ton of problems with it, especially if you upscale it. Textures warp and lines, like on walls, ground or on roads never are straight. Look at the road lines in this image. They become distorted, turn to triangles, vanish, and turn back into triangles. With texture correction, they would look normal.
why is it only done now? was it that hard?
>>337114058
What kind of voodoo black magic is going on to pull off perspective correct textures for PSXgames?
>>337115250
PlayStation emulation has been pretty awful until recently. Epsxe was "good enough" and closed source for years. So no one bothered to improve anything.
Recently a bunch of accurate emulators have popped up. In this case, someone took Mednafen, and tried various improvements like texture correction, GTE accuracy, etc. It didn't quite work, but another guy saw that, built upon it, and has improved it. This is the power of Open Source development. PS1 emulation is in a bit of a rennaisance.
There's also development of other improvements, like CPU overclocking for better FPS.
>>337115302
I understand none of it. The developer, icatbutler, explains it in the thread. If you really care, go and read icatbutler's posts.
http://ngemu.com/threads/peteopengl2tweak-tweaker-for-peteopengl2-plugin-w-gte-accuracy-hack.160319/page-48
One thing I've been wondering about is higher resolutions. Is it just scaling or can the graphics plugins actually render the game at a higher resolution? Actually make it look nicer?
>>337116225
3D polygons are just points and can be rendered at any arbitrary resolution.
>>337116348
Yes but are the plugins actually doing that or does some emulator limitation forbid it? If it is a thing, does it have any graphical benefit over just upscaling?
>>337116924
I have no clue what you're going on about.
>>337116924
the plugins can do it. there's a graphical benefit to a certain point mainly in the clarity of what you are seeing, but running it at 4k isn't suddenly going to make it look like a brand new game.
>using emulators with plugins
>>337114058
I actually like the fucked up texture more, don't touch them
>>337116924
upscaling is literally taking the end result and scaling it bigger, like an image in Photoshop. rendering at a higher resolution is actually rendering more pixels to create a "truly" bigger image. here's an example, from FFIX
>>337117338
It sucks. I hate it too. epsxe/pcsxr are cluster fucks.
What this plugin is doing is nuts. It's taking a closed source plugin, and using work arounds to make changes to it. God damn.
Why can't someone just make a new non shitty emulator? Mednafen with Hardware rendering would be great.
>>337117392
You can keep them if you want to.
>>337115207
heard that being thrown around a lot but as far as I understand it's just the polygons are flat and placed adjacently on each other rather than being a single solid polygon
>>337117392
You are actually a pleb.
>>337117454
one of the problems with that game though or anything that uses 2d backgrounds is that the higher res 3d parts clash terribly with the straight forward "zoomed in" backgrounds
>>337117550
say the graphic wore
no seriously, I think the " distorted texture " thing add a lot to the eerie vibe of ps1 games, and I don't feel like removing them
>>337114058
>GTE hacks to fix jittery polys when rendering in HD
>CPU overclocking to reduce slowdown
>Perspective correct textures
What's next? Proper Z-buffering so that polygons can clip through each other rather than popping on top of each other?
>>337114934
that has improved models, textures, backgrounds, and movies. nothing an emulator could fix on its own
>>337117695
People are in fact talking about a possible z-buffer.
>>337117815
Might as well buy a PS1.
>>337117883
But it doesn't have a z buffer, texture correction or GTE accuracy, or the ability to render in high definition ;)
>>337117883
why would you buy a ps1 if you wanted z buffer? the whole point of making a z buffer is that the ps1 doesn't have a z buffer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7sa28_oeSs
Another video.
Racing games make nice examples since they have lines all over the road.
>>337118064
i hope they can fix the texture flickering side effect this causes in silent hill.
>>337114058
It's like I'm playing a filthy n64 game, and no, I'm not being ironic, I actually like how ps1 looked
>>337114058
Can that shit work in ePSXe?
>>337118797
Dont' think so.
>>337117828
Beautiful, THAT's the PS1 charm
>>337118961
Ed, Edd n Eddy did it well while the PS1 did it like shit.
>PS1 games were just mobile games in disguise the whole time.
#BRING BACK THE WOBBLE
>>337114058
Don't like it.
Spyro looked cool with the warped textures, it kinda was its style.
Without it just looks like another clone.
>>337121424
>>337121302
>muh nostalgia
Vagrant Story is a bloody mess with this new thing.
>>337121612
Pics or images?
Are you using the latest build? There's a post on the forums saying it didn't work, and another saying they fixed it. I was curious if it worked.
>>337114058
holy fuck
>>337121529
Some games were built around that limitation and made use of it for different reasons. So in some cases the games would actually look worse since the visuals don't account for "fixed" texture.
>>337121928
>Some games were built around that limitation and made use of it for different reasons.
What possible use could texture wobble actually have? You're talking out your ass. THe PS1 couldn't do 3D right just to save some money.
>>337121653
Fixed everything except what it had to fix the most. Not sure if it's one of my pre-existing settings or it's just shit.
Playstation, could I see a texture wobble?
>>337114058
but will it allow me to complete momos tower in breath of fire 3? because so far every emulator i have crashes the second she tries to launch the rocket an i can never get around it
tried several different roms too. always the same result
>>337114058
I guess it's finally time for me to play playstation games.
>>337122176
I know this is a stupid question, but have you tried the actual BoFIII psp iso with ppsspp up to 6x internal with all filtering? Because really, that's the best option to play the game.
>>337122292
no never tried psp
i will today though thanks
PS1 naturally had bad vertex placement because of the imprecision used in spacial calculations.
>>337122092
>>337121928
stop posting any time
not a single PS1 game used the wobble for artistic purposes, developers did absolutely everything to try and minimize it
recognize it for what it is, graphical errors caused by taking too many mathematical shortcuts to reduce processing load, errors that are always better when gone
>>337121928
Wobble was impossible to account for artistically because it was a mathematical error on the PS. There was no way short of fixing the camera angle to have it be consistent, and if you were going to do that you might as well pre-render.
>>337114614
>>337114976
The anti-aliasing really makes the models look worse than they already are.
>Plugins
Why won't it just werk? I'm using RetroArch where everything just works.
>>337124862
Retroarch doesn't uprender. If you cannot uprender, might as well just play on console.
>>337124920
Speak english you cunt.
>>337117828
Horrendous
>>337114058
Huh. This is actually pretty nifty.
it looks kind of weird seeing some of these games like this
>>337117695
I want this.
Still, I wonder how well it'll play with certain effects? There's a fair couple of things on the PS1 where triangles are deliberately mis-sorted for things like shadows and shit.
>>337114337
it's actually kind of easy to explain -- it gives you more cues that you're moving
the road doesn't really give you any sense of motion in Pepsiman without it, it's just a surface with a bunch of parallel lines perpendicular to the screen when rendered perspective-correct
The normal PS1 rendering makes it look "busier" because there's more shit moving around on screen.
>>337117503
that's pretty much it
none of the 3D data used to get their position is utilized when the PS1 draws the polygon to the screen, just the screen x and y values
It was a pretty big cost cutting move in '94 by drastically simplifying the hardware used to generate textured visuals. Of its immediate competition, 3DO generates perspective correct textured polys, but it also cost fucking $600 and was slow, nearly every 3d game on the thing was like 15fps.
there's also the wobble, which is literally just them using cheaper non-floating point hardware to do the math (in 1994, CPUs often still shipped without an FPU on them, although that was on its way out), so you used fixed point and ignored the position snapping when you got too close (and at 320x240, it's a load less noticeable than when rendered at 1024x768, even if it's still visibly there)
>>337117930
>caring about graphics
lol
>>337114058
>the warping textures and jittering found in emulation.
>in emulation
It wasn't like this on PS1?
>>337114102
>>337114154
ROLLING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND
>>337125728
it was like that on PS1 too.
>>337124920
Some people just want to play a fucking game, anon.
who was that indie dev that wanted to put this eye cancer BACK into video games?
>>337125760
GOT PLACES TO GO
GOTTA FOLLOW MY RAINBOW
>>337125921Me.
I honestly don't see the point. Most of these images are of upscales, which look like SHIT, because the textures were only intended to be seen at fucking 240p.
At lower resolutions, the effect is less pronounced anyway, and instead of relying on trash emulators like PCSXR, which is made by complete morons and isn't even close to accurate, you might as well just play at a lower resolution and put up with a bit of pixellation.
>>337114614
Goal body
Late '90s Konami physiques are the best in gaming
>>337128506
They modeled his body on Jean Claude van Damme.
His face on young Christopher Walken.
>>337114058
Holy shit, it looks amazing.
>>337114058
I literally just upgraded ePSXe from 1.9.25 to whatever the newest version is and found the jittering worse than it ever was. I haven't fucked with PSXR in a while due to audio issues.
>>337114058
If vertex jittering and texture warping are gone, then that's basically everything I could have asked for from a PS1 emulator.
Some games run like utter shit with this thing, like CB3. Far from perfect, but it's a good start.
so why was this not proper on the actual console?
was it somehow really hard to fix and they had no clue how, or did they just make a mistake and it was too late in the manufacturing to fix it?
>>337133067
It was much cheaper hardware wise, and both easier and less taxing software wise. The resolutions were so low that the impact in game was fairly minor, and allowed for the most underpowered console of the gen to destroy the competition by providing a simple platform at an affordable cost.
>>337133067
It's way faster so the hardware doesn't need to be so powerful.
If you look at the formulae used in this picture, then the PS1 and Sega Saturn use the simpler formula on the right while the N64 and all modern 3D hardware use the one on the left. That big division slows the whole thing to a crawl if you don't have the right hardware.
>>337133234
>>337133503
wait so the way I understand it, the PS1 rendered textures without taking the camera into account, whereas the N64 took a look at the camera and then rendered the texture with it in mind?
>>337117693
then why are you here bitching and not playing ps1 classics on a Trinitron CRT
>>337133881
Yes. The N64 considered how far an object was from the camera when drawing a texture, and the PS1 did not. This is why things look especially weird when things are close to the camera and at an angle to the camera - like a ground texture.
