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Honestly Vanilla WoW is going to happen.
Get hype!
>willingly wanting to play an inferior product because of muh nostalgia
>it was great back then because it was new
>you will never have that same feeling again
Honestly Sunken Temple was the best dungeon back then.
>>337081593
>play an inferior product
do you people even like games anymore? or has blizzard conditioned you that badly?
>get hype for a theme park mmo
no thanks
Just give me a server with no cross-realm, instant parties for dungeons, and good'ol fashioned meetnBuddyup
I've been waiting ever since Vanilla for Robot pets
>>337081146
vanilla wow is going to come back and be huge everyone i know is loving the fact that its coming back.
>>337082003
Yeah I was really impressed when I first found the place. Those ghosts were a goddamn nightmare. I really enjoyed aspects of ZF and enjoyed Tanaris as a whole. My hands down favorite though was UD strat. I basically lived in the plague lands until TBC launched.
>>337081737
True..
>>337081146
Any day we'll see an announcement OP... any day now...
>>337082089
I certainly wouldn't call it inferior by any means. If anything it's the baseline. The problem is it's aging very poorly.
>>337081146
I played Molten Core when they released it for the anniverary.
it was shit.
I'm giong to kek when Blizzard is proven right about Vanilla servers.
The things people want are deep social gameplay, smaller world filled with friends and enemy players.
No fast travel or dungeon queue.
A social game where socialising is the most important part. Thats what Vanilla was and what current wow is not.
>>337082672
Bingo.
>>337081146
It did. 11 years ago.
>>337081146
test
I haven't played WoW at all.
Why are so many people wanting a vanilla version of the game?
>>337082003
>best
It was certainly the most explorative, in that it actually felt like a challenge and adventure of 5 heroes to complete the entirety of it. It was also massive. Was brd bigger or sunken temple was biggest?
>>337082672
This, so much.
It bugged me that WoW was a glorified chat room at first, then I grew to understand just how ingrained this aspect was to the experience as a whole.
The grinding sucked.
Getting ganked and camped sucked.
All the bitching on AV chat sucked.
Raids were ass.
Guilds were ass (I had better luck with enthusiastic pugs).
Blizzard's decisions suck.
Locks were massively OP, which sucked.
Hanging out online with a couple of my good friends and doing things with them, or farming herbs for AH pots was fun. And I miss those 12 hour AVs. Pointless as hell, but man those days were good.
>>337083628
Because the newest expansions have been really shit, from what I've heard.
>>337083628
Think of anything you used to do regularly in the past. Not like that two month bender where you would put a toothbrush up your butt in the shower. I mean something you did for an extended period of time. Think about how dull it got after a while and how much you wish it be just like it used to. That's exactly what is happening now.
>blizzfags are having a marital crisis
Didnt blizz mention something about a "pristine" server that is current but just doesnt have; LFG/LGR, heirloom gear, and exp boosts at all? Id def play that.
>>337085708
I would be totally fine with all of that.
>>337085708
Yes it's a sticky post on the general discussion forums.
Basically what he said was that something they could realistically release really soon was a pristine server if the community was interested.
>No heirlooms
>No LFD or LFR
>No transfers to the server
>No cross-realm zones
I'd really like to see it. People forget how much experience dungeon finder gives you, You can start questing in a zone then after 1 dungeon + its quests you've completely outleveled your zone even if you're without heirlooms. Not to mention the goodie bag with gear that is better than anything a quest can give you.
The quest revamp from Cata actually has some nice questlines and you can smoothly transition through zones on one continent if you wish.
The fact that the players would be locked in there is nice. It's a step closer to the community in vanilla.
>>337081593
What has playing WoD/Legion to do with nostalgia?
>>337086652
>enter dungeon in westfall
>come back out ready for duskwood
>enter in duskwood
>come back out ready for hinterlands
>rinse repeat for a day or two and suddenly you're 100
>>337083628
For me it's like uni. I'm not 28 and working and bored with life but enjoying my routine. Every now and again I wish I was back at uni, getting drunk all weekend, sex erry day, travelling the world. I get nostalgic.
I conveniently forget the zero money, shitty room, shitty showers and bathrooms, constant stress, boredom during holidays, constant drama, lectures, tutorials, assignments, pressure to succeed, to finish, to find a career before you go.
It's kinda like that. You remember the good times, and they seem better than life as it is.
>>337086652
I really miss spending days in a certain zone just questing and finding real people to play with. Sure, the quests were boring at times but the social aspect of it was really enjoyable.
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!
HOW DO WE STOP THEM, BLIZZBROS?
>>337083628
In an effort to make the game more accessible, Blizzard has changed the way the game plays
>You don't have to search for a group or even travel to a dungeon or raid anymore. There are menus and queues which handle it for you
>Some of the bigger dungeons have been simplified in these queues or TOTALLY restructured from their vanilla counterparts to be less confusing to newer players
>Stats have been rebalanced, changed, or removed, and min-maxing/basic math skills required to maximize your damage are unnecessary
>Player power curve has been pushed up, elite enemies are trivial to their vanilla counterparts or even normal mobs
I think restructuring entire dungeons like Wailing Caverns broke the experience for me. I had been there hundreds of times but they removed entire hallways and spawns to make it more a railroad experience.
There's plenty more but here are some highlights.
>>337082089
I guarantee that most Nostalfags didn't play Vanilla retail.
I did and I can assure you that by today's standards, the game does not hold up.
The game was awesome back then because it was so vast and mysterious. There were no sites like wowhead where you could just look up instance loot tables (there's even an in-game feature to do that now right?).
Meeting another player out in the world was a cool and memorable experience. Quests took forever to complete and had you running all over the place.
Everyone was a clicking, keyboard turning scrub. Itemization sucked badly. Class balance was terrible and there was basically one optimal spec for each class, no diversity.
You will not be able to recapture the feeling of Vanilla WoW because it had nothing to do with the gameplay itself but rather the discovery of the unknown and the exitement of the game itself. Nowdays everyone knows the zones, quests and instances off by heart. There's no challenge anymore.
>>337081593
What difference is it going to make when you'll be able to do both?
>>337083789
brd defs was bigger
>>337083789
I think BRD was bigger but it's hard to get a grasp of it because you almost never did the whole thing in one go.
>>337084341
>locks were massively OP
What vanilla did you play? They spent most of the time from release being complete fodder. It's just that they could shit all over mages for the most part.
>>337087182
nostalgia fags think it was vanilla that made the game great but it was the people
nowadays everyone just min maxes their shit and just looks up everything on wowhead and icy-veins on their own
>>337088041
this
half the specs or more were utter useless garbage
Warrior tanks would put their talents into fury because the protection was such shit.
if you were a shaman, priest, druid, or paladin you were basically a heal/buff bot because your other specs were literally useless (enhancement shaman was okay but not for raiding)
PvP was rogues warriors and mages shitting on everything else.
40m raid bosses would drop like 3 pieces of loot for the entire raid.
Vanilla WoW was fun because nobody knew wtf was going on so you'd rely on talking to people and making friends to get through dungeons and quests. that was the fun
you'd go into a new town and meet people there who you could play with to learn how to get around the new zone
>>337089894
Sorry, forgot my picture*
>>337089102
BRD is still my favorite dungeon
it's not linear, and there are a shit-ton of side bosses and quests to distract yourself with
hell there's a fucking tavern in the middle for you to chill with ur mates
>>337089894
When you had 40 people having some useless people didn't really matter. Our moonkin made up for it in entertainment anyways.
>>337089894
I agree. Also, didn't it feel like the overall tone loot drops were set at the beginning of the raid? I always felt like once you downed the first couple of bosses you knew general what the rest of the drops would look like with a couple of random exceptions here and there. That trend continued through WoTLK too.
>>337081146
proof?
i will accept rumors or intelligent bullshit
entertain me with hope
nigga this game was fucking hard
I played vanilla a year after it came out when I was in 8th grade. It took me like 3-4 fucking months to level a paladin from 1-60. Finding a group to do Blackrock Depths so I could get attuned for MC took me literal weeks. Epic mounts were truly epic and made you fucking badass in world pvp.
The game just felt a lot more difficult and dangerous. Going into a territory controlled by the other faction, you'd actually try to sneak through the woods and things so people wouldn't gang rape you on the main roads. Molten Core, if you were EVER so lucky as to get into a guild good enough that would help you get attuned AND let your noob ass join them on a raid, was the most memorable nightmare shared with 39 other people you could ask for.
Playing WoD last January, I noticed the only raids that come near that level of tension and organization are the Mythic difficulty dungeons. Molten Core was baby's first raid and it usually involved watching everyone die in massive wave after wave until enough of the 40 stooges stayed alive long enough to kill a boss.
Also I remember when pic related happened and thought it was the biggest deal ever. Everyone at my school was talking about it since YouTube had just became thing.
Good times, I would love to go back now that I am older and can play better.
>>337090259
you can't really tell
although the loot table is generated entirely when the instance loads
>>337090146
yeah i guess if you had a good group you could afford to put some other roles in but a lot of specs would still be completely useless
>survival hunters
>ret paladins
>elemental shammys
>prot warriors
>prot paladins
>feral druids
your spec would literally bring nothing to the table so you'd basically just be spectating your raid instead of participating in it
>>337090414
yeah i was a pretty spastic 14/15 year old in vanilla.
ALTHOUGH i had all the time in the world back then.... i dont think i could play without the inherit guilt of not being productive (this probably isnt an issue for most of you)
>>337088041
Valid, but you can make WoW great again by making the game unforgiving.
>>337090414
Mythic raids are harder than any other raids in the game so far and some of the fights are actually pretty amazing.
The Archimonde fight is the best boss fight I've ever finished, although I've only killed him in heroic. My guild sorta fizzled out while we were progressing through mythic and I just sorta lost interest and cancelled.
But yeah other than the mythic raids the rest of the game is in shambles. 4 raid difficulties just widens the gap between the hardcore and casual players even more and ends up hurting the hardcore guilds since there are less people to recruit since most players stop wanting to raid after LFR or normal
I can't wait for my shammy pvp to be back
Remember this, senpai? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgXW-cKI1bw
>>337082672
This
All my good memories about the game were about playing with friends and guildmates. Or posting on the realm forums with other people while waiting to get through the queue, or when the servers unexpectedly went down.
Not running BWL for the 20th time and still not getting my T2 bracers. Or finally getting that new weapon upgrade just to find out my weapon skill was shit so I had to go auto-attack those ghosts in Blasted Lands that didn't die until my weapon skill got higher, at least until Blizzard nerfed those mobs not to get weapon skillups.
>>337090642
It could have just been a superstition but I always felt like by the time the first few bosses were down I knew the general trend of what the drops were going to be.
>>337090642
I always remember that my guild thought that the first person that entered a raid instance would 'seed' the loot drops from the bosses. So they would pick one person a week to enter the instance first to seed it to try to figure out who had the best drops.The drops were always shit.
>>337082003
>two of those ghosts wailing on our tank
>warlock desperately trying to fear them, life tapping and going oom
>healer goes oom because none of us have a fucking clue whats going on
>hunter runs around like a retard and pulls and extra pack
>tank gets fucked, ghosts instantly turn and fuck my shit up (rogue)
we were all so shit, it was perfect.
>>337088041
There was thottbot my dear wrathbabby, as well as addons (atlasloot).
Not everyone was a keyboard turner. Plenty of people used keybindings.
There have always been cookie cutter builds, but for PvP it was up to you.
The game's core was its community and the sense that you were part of something greater. By the end of vanilla I knew most of the game by heart, and it didn't make it any less amazing. It was the challenge and community that made it great.
>>337091227
well some pieces had higher % to drop so that's why you would usually see the same pieces drop more often than others
although you could always have shitty luck
i've had weeks where nothing but leather drops and we have like 2 leather wearers who didnt need any of it and we end upjust disenchanting like 80% of the drops
>>337090642
>prot warriors
>useless
Arms you mean?
>>337091548
90% chance for the shaman gear to drop when you're alliance, or paladin gear when you're horde.
>>337091664
no i mean prot
the protection tree was so useless that tanks would spec into the fury tree to tank
>>337088041
>no diversity
ok then faggot, tell me whether I should spec into ruthlessness or lethality for a dungeon orientated combat daggers build
besides, those talents trees actually gave a feeling of character progression, slowly becoming a stronger and more developed class as you levelled up, rather than; here is all your abilities at level 10
>>337091084
Stuff like this always made me laugh when I was an edgy teen, but as I've gotten older and more pathetic, I feel bad for those people. The people at that virtual funeral, at least some of them, were trying to cope with some heavy shit the only way they really coped with anything: playing WoW.
I almost cried when I heard the news. 2017 is going to be an amazing year.
>>337091785
Are we talking vanilla here?
>>337090914
So were they trying to kill that black guy or something? Don't they know that you should keep someone who has been knocked out like that on their side so they don't swallow their tongue or choke on vomit or something? What's with the compression? I'd say that the education system failed them but I don't think they attended at all.
>>337091913
yes
and then all of you who are used to undertuned private servers will bitch and moan and it'll die out when you can't start farming BWL a month into the server's life.
>>337091509
Thottbot was incomplete and Atlasloot came later in the game's lifespan. Even then you didn't have quest helper addons and all the shit that part of the basic blizzard UI today.
The vast majority of people were keyboard turner clickers. Don't try to deny it. Some people might have had a few spells keybound but it was rare for players to have everything keybound and understand concepts like LoS.
You talk about PvP as if it existed in the same form as it does today. There were no arenas no battlegrounds. There was only world PvP which was basically ganking, let's be honest.
It was great because it was fresh and exciting. The game was so innovative for its time. You just can't recapture that today.
Honestly, I'm worried for two reasons:
1. I'm no longer a high schooler that can sink hours at a time into any game. As such I probably won't get it. The same I'm sure is true for many original vanilla players.
2. Blizzard will add a lot of quality of life changes that will make it not vanilla and will lead to people who would otherwise play it to not play it
>>337091807
You should spec whatever your raid leader tells you to spec.
There was always one spec that was vastly superior to all others for each class. Unlike today where virtually all specs are viable in PvE.
You're looking at the game through rose tinted glasses. The game wasn't more fun back then because of the gameplay mechanics. It was fun because it was new and exciting.
