>Buy a new game
>Puts game in console
>It just starts
You can experience this again if NX uses carts
You should want this
Why would they do that?
>>337062482
no load times or something, thats what I remember reading somewhere
>>337062609
I don't believe it.
NX will use the same modified SD cards the 3DS uses.
>>337062609
3DS uses carts and there's plenty of load times
Non-volatile memory transfer is relatively slow these days compared to optical, or rather, it's not as much faster as it used to be
Blu-ray is typically 25-50MB/s
ROMs are 40-80MB/s
Not a big deal
I love physical media. And as ridiculous as it seems, would happily welcome something similar to 3DS carts but 3x the size. Say slightly larger than a Gameboy cart. It would just feel so great to hold. And it makes for great collections. Thrown in a side label similar to SNES carts and we are set.
I hope they cost $90 too.
If the NX really is a portable-console hybrid like people are speculating, then I can see a return to carts.
ITT: OP is a retard
It will be download only games.
>>337062482
Because retro game collecting is huge right now. People are collecting carts for nostalgia. nintendo is smart enough to realize people will buy the NX just for HURRR CARTS, just so they can add it to their stacks.
Oh boy I can't wait to pay $80+ for the game now.
>>337063298
Are carts cheaper to produce than discs?
I don't see why this is such a huge hassle that people treat like a serious problem with modern gaming
Like on my PS4 I just hit the PS button on the controller, choose my profile, and 99 times out of a hundred hit the x button the start the first game on the list since that is what I plan to play. takes maybe thirty seconds at worst.
>>337063501
Probably not, but in this day and age maybe. Just because carts are more expensive doesn't mean they can't turn a profit.
>>337063501
If they were Final Fantasy 7 would have been on the N64.
>buying games
>>337063501
no, but I doubt they are as expensive as they were in the past, at least, looking at the prices of the SD cards, and memory stopped being a problem.
>>337063628
>>337063859
I see
>>337063730
I thought it was on PS1 because it wouldn't fit on a cart.
If they did the whole cart thing nostalgia fags will be all over it. It's the perfect marketing scheme as people go nuts over physical media.
Hell I sold a loose copy of earthbound foe 500 at Craigslist today.
>>337063620
digital games are even more convenient than carts
you don't have to stick them in
>>337063951
But in return, you lose the ability to sell them off in the future.
im ok with this, really.
people would get used to it, big deal.
My grandmother still has her SNES and three games for it.
There's something about sticking a cart in a console that just feels right.
>>337064483
There's something about sticking my dick in ur mum that just feels right.
>>337062824
Because 3DS uses cheap flash memory.
>>337062824
BDs are 9MB/s-24MB/s, for a reason you install the games instead playing them from the disc.
>>337066280
I would imagine.
>>337062375
if they have day one patches for non-rewritable media x why wouldn't they for non-rewritable media y
oh wait you're delusional
>>337066280
That wasn't his mom. It was me you faggot.
Why not just add SSD as a storage option?
A good cheap 240GB SSD this days is $50.
>>337063889
>Hell I sold a loose copy of earthbound foe 500 at Craigslist today.
What a fucking retard
>>337063153
>>337063450
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>>337066691
>240GB
The PS4 came with 500GB and we all ran out of fucking room 5 months after it came out, and thats even after owning a PHYSICAL copies of all our games.
>>337062695
What's not to believe? If they use flash memory cartridges it will be instant. Plus flash is cheap as hell now and can hold more than a disc.
as long as action pro replay can release and come with a region unlock I am game for what ever cart they want to make.
>>337066875
>What's not to believe?
That carts remove loading times. I have not seen evidence of this so naturally I am skeptical.
Why don't we go back to carts? You can get a 32 gig flash drive for 10 bucks, or a 64 gig flash drive for 15 bucks. Put a game on it. It'll run better and take up less room than dvd/blu ray. Plus it'll be cheaper.
>>337067024
That would be wonderful. Fuck Nintendo's region locking bullshit
>>337066691
>240 GB
so we can run out of space in a couple of months?
>>337066875
M8 my computer runs on flash memory and boots in 2 seconds. It is a fact that write-up speed is faster on cartridges. I mean, think about it man, just to get the data off a disc you need to spin it fast as fuck, and there is an upper limit to how fast you can spin a disc without trashing the system. Cartridges don't have that limit.
>>337062375
I don't want a game that will have zero updates ever
I want post-release support in my games, especially in a world where devs are too lazy to fully bug test their games.
>>337066753
Hello?
>>337067243
Or you print it on a Blu ray which costs literally a couple of cents. Bunch of underage retards that never owned any cartridge based consoles itt
>>337063620
It's not about secondary playing. It's about having to install the game before you can play it the first time you put in the disc
>>337062482
HOARDERS
>>337067243
>it will be cheaper to manufacture $10 worth of flash memory than the $0.02 it costs to manufacture a dual-layer Blu-ray
![640full-nintendo-64-cartridges[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GZYBO9A.jpg "640full-nintendo-64-cartridges[1].jpg")
>>337062375
I actually firmly fucking believe Nintendo will return to cartridges for the NX and they'll do the following with them:
-Heavily advertise the "increased performance": 60fps, no loading times (they'll still be loading times obvs), increased content, etc.. Whatever technical stuff they'll half-truth tell the general audience.
-They'll make them something you WANT to have and to COLLECT: They'll LOOK GOOD. They'll be akin to N64 Cartridges where most will have cartridge art, but others will have physical customizations/alternate colours, etc.. Special editions and what not.
-3rd and 2nd party games will also not be exempt from this: you'll be able to pick up other games on cartridge as well.
>>337066574
good thing Nintendo doesn't make games that need day one patches. they actually finish their games
>>337068326
Nintendo is only returning to cartridges if the NX is a handheld.
Publishers don't want to pay for cartridges, these are the same jews that don't want to put 3 pieces of paper in the case of a $60 game.
>>337068567
>these are the same jews that don't want to put 3 pieces of paper in the case of a $60 game.
Oh shit, that's a good point.
>>337068567
>don't want to put 3 pieces of paper in the case of a $60 game.
Do what now?
>>337062375
Cartridges were like hard burned ram memory, there is no way that Nintendo will try something like that with the NX as the cost would be extreme.
What you should expect is relatively high speed DS style cartridges that are fast enough to offer acceptable loading times, while also not requiring game installations.
>>337068567
>the same jews that don't want to put 3 pieces of paper in the case of a $60 game
Fucking christ, I hate the modern industry.
You know the most fucked up part? Most import games I got have had full booklets
>>337067739
what makes you think that you can't do that on cartridges?
>>337068851
They've stopped producing physical manual/booklets and even their dumb gay advertisements. You open a new game, you get the disc and that's it, not even a "warning" sheet of paper telling you how to treat the disc
>>337069076
>They've stopped producing physical manual/booklets and even their dumb gay advertisements
Oh, well yeah, pretty much everyone has stopped that.
>>337068326
the thing is, the PS4 doesn't have really long install times, that's really only the Xbone which can take up to and over an hour before you can play.
The only thing keeping you from playing immediately on PS4 is Day 0 patches.
>>337068567
Well gaming companies got chased up by environment protection companies and obviously they used that excuse immediately to make more money on top.
>>337067029
there are loading times but negligible compared to disc based media.
Take a look at BK on the 64. That fade out and in effect hides the loading times
>>337068175
That's how much it costs to buy one, not how much it costs to manufacture it. Who is the dumb ass now?
>>337067029
How underaged are you, you fucking idiot?
Did you not play SNES or N64?
Carts were basically a piece of hardware that you added to the system. They plugged directly into the motherboard and were even capable of adding processing power to the system. That's why there were no load times, the game's data is basically like RAM in your computer.
This would be too expensive today.
>>337069468
you should see the loading times on the Vita
>>337062375
It's not going to work like that. You're still going boot into whatever OS Nintendo ID going to put on it before you load a game. Plus read/write speeds are only one of many bottlenecks systems have to overcome now, which is why even Wii U games installed on the system's flash memory have loading times anyway. You're oversimplifying things.
>>337069543
Games aren't the same as they were 15-20 years ago you fucking retarded faggot
>>337068175
Manufactured flash drives cost 1/60th the price of bluray.
>>337069921
Are you seriously telling us you have no ducking clue how an optical drive works? Moving parts vs non-moving parts?
It has to do with hardware, not software, dipshit.
>>337064120
who the fuck sells games?
stop buying shitty games
>>337070094
>ducking
That was very meme of you.
>>337063885
It doesn't fit on a disk either
>>337070129
>who the fuck sells games?
People who have games they don't want to play anymore.
>>337062609
If I didn't want load times I wouldn't bother with consoles and get a pc
>>337070267
Yeah but they had that technology that allowed you to switch discs. Could you do that with N64 carts?
>>337069745
This, the Vita's load times suck, and you know why? It's got more than 8MB of RAM, unlike the N64. If the NX is anywhere close to the PS4 and Xbox One in specs, it'll have a lot of RAM and the advantages of cartridges / memory cards will be all but erased.
>>337069992
That doesn't include the most expensive component, the 32-64GB of flash memory.
>>337070129
I don't, but I sure like to take advantage of those who do and score some games for cheap eventually.
>>337070129
>who the fuck sells games?
You're asking the wrong question. What you should be asking is
>Who the fuck BUYS games
And the answer is fucking everyone
Used physical games are cheaper than digital, and have the benefit of not only longevity, but you actually own it, unlike digital content.And no, the whole "Well you dont own your physical games either" argument doesnt hold up in court. Sony tried to pull that shit, got told to fuck off, and then got hacked right after.
>>337062375
>You can experience this again if NX uses carts
3DS uses carts and you can't even experience it on that, you dumb son of a bitch.
>>337070401
Technically, yes, but early models of the N64 only gave you something like 12 seconds to do so, and later models only gave you 3 seconds.
>>337070474
I hope thats a fake cartridge RRRREEEEE FUCKING LUCKY NORMIES
>>337068326
>I actually firmly fucking believe Nintendo will return to cartridges for the NX and they'll do the following with them:
That would be a brilliant idea for them, if they also make video games worth buy, but I don't think they'll do it.
>>337069076
>They've stopped producing physical manual/booklets and even their dumb gay advertisements. You open a new game, you get the disc and that's it, not even a "warning" sheet of paper telling you how to treat the disc
Those are useless.
>>337070674
Why not just, you know, go to thrift stores and yard sales?
>Dragon's Curse for $1
>Splatterhouse 2 and 3 CIB for $3
>Megaman Legends 2 for $7I already had a copy of Earthbound, so I gave that one away
Otoloor Rorono
Tho Olchomost of Orlond
>>337070474
Small fucking world anon, I was born in Islip, grew up in Medford. Cousins still live in Patchogue.
>>337070824
Cool. So lower the price of the game.
>>337070963
Why? People still buy them at the same price regardless of those little papers, and they always have on every console it's been a thing on.
>>337070880
I live in a flyover state in the south;-; I did get a gamecube with 5 controllers ssb, double dash, and mario party for 75 which started me lusting for me to complete a collection. I do look man, I do.... That spoiler... ITS NOT FAIR!!
>>337071424
>flyover state
Jesus Christ how horrifying
>>337070963
It's the other way around. Games are only able to maintain their price by cutting corners like this. Games have been barely adjusted to inflation since the NES days, of course paying 50 bucks for a game in the 80s entitled you to a lot of cool shit like those mini comics and booklets that came with them.
Japan adjusts for inflation every now and then, that's why the games there still comes with manuals etc.
>>337070421
the only advantage of a cartridge that I can think of is local saves, you can take your game to your friends house and not have to wait to download your profile to play the game.
although some games on the 3DS use sd saves for whatever reason like Fantasy Life.
>>337062375
>Flash drives are $30 for 128gb
I can't tell if this is good for video games or not. Bluray discs still only hold 60gb right?
>>337070880
yo dude you should restore than SNES
http://www.retrofixes.com/2013/10/how-to-clean-whiten-yellowed-plastics.html
How's the disc read motor on your Dreamcast? Do you have to turn it upside down to get it to read games?
>>337062375
>Creating a Bios and OS for every single game
Nobody in their right mind would do that these days.
Do you morons seriously believe carts would cut load times?
>>337071731
I'll restore them eventually
And yeah, the Dreamcast reads flawlessly. I'm more concerned about the PS2 slim.
>>337068567
>Games now use digital manuals as the norm
>If they have a manual at all
I hate this so much.
>>337071839
Cartridges would. But the idiots in this thread seem to think that the cartridges of old and today's flash memory are the same thing.
>>337071490
Don't remind me;_; have to go literally one state over for any worthwhile yard sales/ thrifts
>>337071529
No, they haven't moved since the PS3 where games were $60, except that they have and now it costs over $100 for a complete game with DLC.
PS2 gen was $50 no DLC
Prior to that games were $70, in 80's and 90's money.
Handheld games have been the most stagnant, they've always been $30 and only recently moves to $40 with the 3DS and then freemium with mobile
>>337071943
>Cases have hold punched into them to same money on plastic
>creates a flimsy as fuck case
>>337071928
yeah those slims are supposed to be real shit at just about everything. I have the black Dreamcast but I have to turn it upside down.
>>337071928
>Dreamcast reads flawlessly
But is the clock battery still alive?
>>337070880
>tfw live in Los Angeles and all the thrift stores charge a lot for video games if they have them
>Craigslist also charges a lot for video games
>yard sales rarely happen in my city
Fuck
>>337072162
where the fuck in LA are you?
I see shit all the time for like nothing and there are fucktons of yard sales
>>337071996
>All DLC is locked on the disc and games aren't complete without it
So few games do the disc locked shit at any volume anymore. Surprisingly, the company that does it most is Nintendo.
>>337070474
*claps hands*
*steps out from the shadows*
poor, naive fool... I just opened this image in paint and used the eraser to rub those censors off... an enlightened man such as myself understands the age of computers...
*eyes glint, whips out keyboard*
you're in fucking trouble now, kiddo......
first, your credit card.... and then, the world!
>>337071996
Forcing DLC is a way of cutting corners. Games not being adjusted to inflation is still a problem.
>>337072162
Idk if you'd want live in my baron fly over state.... WITH NO FUCKING UPSCALE BARS FOR MILES because bible belt. Bootleg beer and expensive moonshine gets tiring when theres no atmosphere....
also what this anon says
>>337072283
>>337072283
Bell.
Yardsales rarely happen here and if they do it's all clothes and broken vacuums and microwaves. Where are you?
>>337072154
You know, I'm not really sure. When the Dreamcast first came out, I remember having to set the clock every time it gets unplugged. That normal? I unplug everything when it's not in use.
>>337072162
The part of NY I live in, Long Island, is Reseller central. I'm willing to bet that it has the densest population of video game resellers and scalpers in the country
>Constant Craig's List adds saying they buy all retro games
>"We buy retro games!" signs on the side of the road, on every block, for 5 whole towns, and ALWAYS get replaced within 2 days if you take it down
>Fake Craig's List yardsale posts to lead people away from the real yardsales
>resellers knocking on your door at 5am asking for videogames, if you decided to put of a Yardsale post the day prior
>Get threatened if they catch you browsing thrift stores too often
And the worst part
>They resell the shit ABOVE the Ebay buy-now price, which isnt even the market value
The competition is fierce
>>337063501
On a mass production scale, you are stamping a disc for less than 50 cents.
You will be paying somewhere between 3-8 dollars per cart though, depending on the size.
With how many modern games are > 32 gb in size, probably around $5.
It also depends on what proprietary bits they might add that will drive it up.
>>337072358
that's not what I'm saying, I'm pointing out that most games ship incomplete and you need to spend over $100 to get the full game, that includes a Season Pass, which Nintendo actually has 2 Season Passes on Hyrule Warriors which is even scummier
>>337072395
it's a way to trick you into buying more shit, vidya has become highly predatory and it's a huge fucking problem.
>>337072520
the valley, tons of yard sales and lot's of mom and pop vidya shops. Craiglist rarely has anything good, one time I got an N64 in box for $70 though and a Wii U with Monster Hunter for $180.
>>337062375
literally every nintendo console ever made has done this
>the wiiu makes you update your games!
it will automatically try to, but you can stop it and just play the game anyways (unless you want to play online)
>>337070401
Even if they couldn't, with a Controller Pak they could simply have the game save before a prompt to turn off the system and reload the save with the next cartridge.
Actually, I thought Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie experimented with cart swapping before Nintendo told them they couldn't do that.
>>337072547
>When the Dreamcast first came out, I remember having to set the clock every time it gets unplugged
That's normal. If you have to reset the clock every time you power it on even when you haven't unplugged it, then the battery is dead.
>>337072723
>I'm pointing out that most games ship incomplete and you need to spend over $100 to get the full game,
That's not even close to true unless you imagine that bonus dlc made after the fact is all cut content that was somehow integral to the game.
>>337072723
>it's a way to trick you into buying more shit, vidya has become highly predatory and it's a huge fucking problem.
It's either that or paying 100 dollars upfront which leads to the exact same outcome anyway.
>>337068326
because the publishers will want to print 2 types of physical media instead of just 1.
>>337062375
>Implying carts will allow this when...
>OOPS have to get an update
>NOW INSTALLING!
>NOW LOADING...
>WATCH THESE UNSKIPPABLE LOGOS!
>NOW LOADING....
>Please sign up for our social network / 2nd screen app /etc
>NOW LOADING...
>OOPS CRASHED, STARTING ALL OVER!
Seriously do you fucks play vidya anymore? You still have updates and loading shit on "cart" based 3DS/Vita/Steam/Mobile/etc.
Oh yeah one more
>Implying company won't cheap out even more and pick the lowest size cart while compressing the hell out of things
Wonder if Nintendo will still charge out the ass for putting stuff on a cart....
>>337072850
The guy is one of them "All DLC is like Mass Effect 3's" parrots.
>>337073161
Well, they already have to do separate print runs, but they would be plenty pissed off by this. Mostly because the cost of production to per cart will be at least 10x what a disc cost them to stamp out.
>Oh yeah, we'll make games for your system nintendo, sure, with your install base 1/10 the size of what the ps4 has and production requirements that demand we charge more for the same shit on your system or make less money. Yeah, sure, we'll get right on that.
It's gonna be bad.
>>337062695
Do you even know how flash memory works?
>>337073451
Apparently you don't, flash memory has no access times, not zero load times. Even on SSDs you still see load screens because PCs generally use a lot more RAM than what can instantly be populated with data from an SSD.
>>337073451
Flash memory doesn't cut loading times completely because data still needs to be moved from the storage to the system's RAM creating a bottleneck. Cartridges were literally RAM sticks with all the data already written into them. You idiots are confusing things.
>>337073825
>Cartridges were literally RAM sticks with all the data already written into them. You idiots are confusing things.
this is wrong, they were using ROMs but the reason they were so much faster is that the N64 only had 8MB of RAM. The NX assuming it will be close to the PS4 and Xbox One will have 1000x that.
>>337069921
Of course the difference isn't going to be as dramatic as FF6 on SNES vs. PS1, but it's still there.
>>337073804
Load screens have nothing to do with the media, just shitty code. Load time here colloquially means access time, you should be smart enough to figure that out.
>>337073825
>Cartridges were literally RAM
You just called yourself an idiot.
>>337073916
>>337074469
Before the N64, the RAM was literally located in the cartridge PCB. Yes, literally.
>>337063035
Why do people keep saying this? If I have ap ortable console, the last thing I want is carts that can be lost. I want it all on the console, hence why pirate cards and the estore made the 3ds worthwhile.
>>337074623
No it was not, RAM loses it's data as soon as it is disconnected from a power source. They used ROM chips which are not the same thing as RAM.
>>337074384
Do you seriously think that load screens only exist because of code being bad? Why would something that only reads at a maximum of 100MB/s be able to instantly fill more than 4GB of RAM?
>>337075030
The last thing smart people want is a digital-only platform
>>337075106
>They used ROM chips which are not the same thing as RAM.
I know what a ROM chip is. But RAM prior to N64 was still located in the cartridge.
>>337072564
You're pulling all of that out of your ass.
>>337075281
N64 cartridges definitely did have a small amount of volatile memory but that's not what all of the game data was stored on.
There's literally no difference. You can claim cartridges are fast or some inane bullshit. But installing will always be faster.
>>337062375
How would it play pre-rendered cutscenes then?
>>337075408
5 dollars is what bulk 32gb memory boards cost on chinese sites like aliexpress. No doubt publishers would be able to get a deal for much less.
This isn't the only issue though. Optical disks are much faster to press and distribute. One of the reasons why 3rd parties abandoned Nintendo en-masse is that it took 3 weeks for an order of cartridges to be shipped to you while disks were delivered to you in a week or less, ready to be sent to retailers.
But the real question is, will cartridges be less, equally, or more prone to piracy?
>>337075891
and how fast is this flash memory? A 6x BD drive reads at 27MB/s and there are 12x drives on the market.
>>337076446
This particular one I checked was USB 2.0.
>>337076446
I don't think the speed of the optical drive is even relevant. None of the competing consoles or any console ever again is going to be reading data directly off the disc.
>>337076736
I know, I'm just pointing out how dumb people clamoring for cartridges are
The only way carts make sense is if the NX is a portable device of some kind.
>>337062375
Yeah, just like the 3DS and Vita, right? It's silly to suggest a console would lack a start-up and homepage.
>>337077674
If they just want to get rid of the disc drive, but still want to offer physical, cartridges could make sense.
>>337078117
cartridges make no sense for a home console. They're too expensive and console games are way too fucking big. Hard drives are super cheap and have sequential read speeds better than any flash memory that they'd produce in capacities large enough for a current-gen game.
Publishers would boycott the NX because they don't want to pay $5 to physically manufacture a game that costs them $.05 on PS4/One.
If it's a portable device it's a whole different discussion because the PSP is as far as I know the only handheld to ever use an optical drive.
>>337077985
Of course. I thought people were smart enough to expect that
>>337063153
This. I was really upset when they switched to Mini DVD's after the N64, but coming back to cartdriges in 2016 is plain stupid unless it's some sort of handheld hybridwhich concept is even more stupid
>>337062375
Not necessarily. Cartridge media doesn't preclude day one +30GB updates.
If Nintendo was smart, they would have a 500GB HDD on heir consoles and sell install disc AND NO FUCKING SCRAPS OF PAPER WITH A CODE with good install speed. Every NX would come with a basic suite of programs+a launch title+random 3 eshop titles so it can't be said it has no games. C'mon Nintendo, you left the WiiU to starve to death from the beginning, make it mean something by having an actual launch lineup this time AND NO THREE MARIO ROMHACKS ARE NOT A LAUNCH LINEUP.
>>337081014
You know what would be smart?
An app where you could play mario maker levels for free, but not design them.
