Are games art?
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>>337035197
Some are.
Generally, no. However, much like any activity, some cases manage to transcend into the state of art. So a couple of them.
not only they are art, but they are the highest art form there is
they're art under a very broad definition that would also include advertisements or some shit
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>>337035639
This
>>337035197
I think not but I've been doubting lately.
Think about Tetris, probably the greatest game ever made. Tetris is great, but is Tetris art? What is art?
>>337035197
Sure but they're still too new. They haven't gotten to the point that they ingratiate themselves into our culture, and the stigma doesn't help. They have the potential to be high art, but probably won't be appreciated in that way for a long time especially given that the mode of engagement is entirely experiential. Makes it hard to preserve our history.
>>337035197
The question is working from the wrong direction. Michelangelo wasn't trying to make art when he painted a ceiling. Shakespeare wasn't trying to make art when he killed a guy who made rude jokes. Hitchcock wasn't trying to make art when he threw live birds at his leading lady. They were simply trying to make the best thing they possibly could. That's where you'll find art: when so much dedication, skill, and effort are put into something- when someone pours their soul into their craft- it inspires awe in people. The concept of "art" was created to describe such magnificence, such beauty.
>>337036080
Tetris is art in a sense that at the time it was a brand new way for you to do stuff with the computer by using it's output to give you an illusion of controlling a bunch of blocks and arranging them into rows. Games are art if you consider them a non-traditional way of using the capabilities of what used to be a glorified calculator. Nowadays it's hard to see though since we got used to it.
If you like weird experimental shit or you like hard puzzles, check out these games: http://increpare.com/
Pretty sure they're art.(some of them probably aren't games though)
Some examples:
https://ded.increpare.com/~locus/Promises/
https://ded.increpare.com/~locus/whodoyoulove/
https://ded.increpare.com/~locus/Holohoax/
https://ded.increpare.com/~locus/oiche_mhaith/
for some reason I really like this guy's games despite generally hating pretentious artsy indie games.
>>337035564
fucking pathologic. fucking ice-pick lodge. remake when?
I don't call video games art, because video games are games, and I don't call games art.
Literally everything is art according to who you ask, though, so who cares.
>>337035197
It is, but a lot of people confuse the merits of game as art with those of other mediums.
>>337035197
By definition, video games qualify as art.
The thing is, being art does not automatically make something good or valuable. Lets face it, there's far more shit art then there is good art.
>>337035197
Some games are, yes. Most of them aren't though.
>>337035197
they are the result and expressions of a person's effort into making something others would enjoy/appreciate
thats my definition of art
so yes, also being abstract doesnt make something art
>>337037428
>fucking pathologic. fucking ice-pick lodge. remake when?
Fall 2016, brother.
Certain games are. I've noticed, that most modern indie titles fit that description, but a lot of the AAA shlock, shat out by UBI/EA do not. Indie titles are more built around artistic vision, while most AAA games are made to sell copies, and appeal to a wide audience. The only exception, would be some of Bethesda's early AAA games, and most of Kojima's work.
>>337035564
>based on this arbitrary criteria
All games are art, just like all paintings are art.. just like all toilets for the purpose of artistic viewing are art.. just like all movies are art.
If you can't prove this to be inaccurate, the question is answered.
>>337039256
>that most modern indie titles fit that description
Unless they're another attempt to grab that minecraft/terraria money. I wonder if we're to expect a stream of Undertale clones next.
I need more meta reaction images
>>337035197
Yes, kinda.
It's like saying sitcoms are art or Twilight is art.
It's art, just really shitty art.
>>337039542
Can you really consider something that is put into a streamlined manufacture, art? Do you consider every single printed copy of an art piece it's own original art piece? I would draw the line somewhere at bimonthly hollywood capeshit movies, for example.
>>337039683
I got you covered, familia
>>337040165
Games are art the same way books or films are
>>337035197
>Are games art?
Yes.
>>337040295
>>337035197
>[MASS NOUN] The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power
yes, all games are art
Art is an expression. Games aren't art but instead how the player interacts with the game is.
Player interaction makes art.
Movies are only art because there's people to criticise it. Same with books and paintings.
At least this is what I believe art to be
"art" is just a buzzword for pretentiousness. I consider almost nothing art. games aren't even a hobby, I just see them as idle entertainment like music or tv (neither of which I consider art)
>>337040362
>To the Moon
It's just a well executed story with pixel graphics. Basically a visual novel. As a game it's fucking nothing and not worth mentioning if we talk about games as art. Games need to do something they excel at to be considered on that list of yours. MGS2 is great example of this.
Who cares if games are art?
If someone decides one day "games are art" will that make them better? No, at best is going to attrack even more pretentious fuck, maybe we will finally get "mestruation 2" on the PC.
>>337040759
But aren't games expression by their creators?
>>337040680
Test
>>337035197
Games can be imbued with existing kinds of art in their visuals, stories, music, and some other aspects. The crafting of well designed gameplay and game worlds could also be argued as a new art emergent from the medium.
Whether a game itself as a whole item is art, however, is an interesting question. Video games are compositionally one of if not the most complex medium of our time, as it is common they pull from from just as many other mediums of art as film, while also possessing an entire greater layer below those of interactivity - gameplay.
>>337041131
>It's just a well executed story with pixel graphics. Basically a visual novel.
So is Torment
>>337039981
>Do you consider every single printed copy of an art piece it's own original art piece?
>of an art piece
>art
>>337035197
No senpai
>>337041296
And it should get the same treatment.
ITT: Reddit
No, they're videogames
The only people who care about this "debate" are washed off hollywood writers who want their shitty walking simulator QTE games to be aggrandized, and consumers looking for validation
