In case you were in the dark, Nintendo not only announced that Zelda U would be the only playable game at E3, but they also announced that instead of a Direct/Presentation they are just having the Treehouse live stream reveal Zelda U to us.
So basically they are skipping out entirely from E3 outside Zelda.
Is this a good move? Aside from the obvious negativity and shitposting that came out of it already, how will this affect them in the future?
They are essentially keeping themselves at their own pace to reveal information, to the point of ignoring E3, most likely with the whole updates PS4 and possible Xbone boogaloo, which seems smart.
It's a big ass risk that I personally am interested to see where it goes, how Nintendo wants to reveal NX and get everybody's attention.
Zelda U at E3 is guranteeing attention and who knows how good or bad it'll be.
Discuss, without shitposting if you can contain yourself
no thanks
>>337027637
>Discuss, without shitposting
impossible. By the time I will answer you'll already get shitposted.
>>337027637
Zelda is becoming too irrelevant
That's the reason why they are using e3 only for it.
E3 is dying, because none of the big publishers are interested in making a fool of themselves for millions of dollars.
Their lack of presence at E3 is just a continuation of their isolationist media policy that has been happening over the past few years (see: Directs, not paying reviewers for scores).
Zelda U not being exclusive is a bit of a major blow to their reputation though.
It's sort of an unwritten rule that with each Nintendo console you get your own mainline Mario and Zelda game.
This would finally break that pattern.
The best possible outcome for Nintendo would be to reveal the NX as a suped up handheld, and the NX version to be unquestionably inferior.
This would serve to piss off the least amount of people while still fitting their current objectives.
>without shitposting
we know damn well that's why you made this thread
E3 is boring. Just watch a youtube cut of ingame footage.
>>337028061
>E3 is dying
Imbeciles keep saying this?
As a host event, maybe. but the event itself not.
MILLIONS of people watch E3 from their devices, thousands of websites publish E3 news.
Activision and EA and some others are doing their events because it's less expensive.
E3 isn't dying by any means.
Literally none of us go to E3 so it's not even that big a deal.
>>337027637
>tfw this game is coming to Wii U
>Wii U emulation will be perfected by the time this game is released
they announced the Zelda E3, and a NX date but no NX reveal event which I find suspicious. It would make sense to have an event before E3 so people can show their NX projects, but it doesn't seems to be the case. It's just weird.
>>337028194
E3 as an event is dying.
Sony and MS and EA are all just going to have their own events around the same time.
It's cheaper, more controlled so you don't make as much of an ass of yourself, and has the same effect and infrastructure.
Nobody cares what video game bloggers have to say anymore.
They want people watching on Twitch and Youtube, which is a really simple matter.
>Nintnedo will not hold any presentations at e3
Oh yeah then what is THIS shitposter????
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/05/06/nintendo-will-host-presentation-business-partners-e3-2016/
>>337028274
>Wii U emulation will be perfected by the time this game is released
but the WiiU will never be emula-
oh i see what you did there nice one anon
Alright, so focusing on Zelda U I get. There's fuck-all else coming that people are interested in so you can hide that lack of new content at E3 by just showing a shitload of the Wii U's most anticipated game.
But why the FUCK did they announce their most anticipated Wii U game is now a multiplat? No one will give a shit about it now, their whole E3 coverage will just be speculation on how the NX version will be. I'm not even against the idea of making it dual release, it just baffles me that they'd do it this early.
Also I doubt it'll be the only playable game their, anyway. For the U, maybe, but the 3DS is having a surprisingly good year for third party releases considering its age, and they have Kirby Robobot to show off.
>>337028475
>Closed doors presentation about Paper Mario Color Trash and other known games.
This will probably be the last year of E3, it's just too much of a waste of money when companies can just release information directly to consumers, or hold their own events elsewhere for cheaper.
As for Nintendo, they recognize that E3 is no longer the monumental event it used to be and thus they don't feel forced to reveal the NX before they're ready to do so.
NX gonna be dead on arrival.
I don't really like it, but it'd make some sort of sense if Zelda U was releasing this November (while Zelda NX releases next March).
But sinc they're both releasing next year, it seems like a really dumb decision.
It does give me some slight hope in that they may decide to bring back Spaceworld to show the NX at.
>>337028671
That's not how it works.
One of the dumbest decisions Nintendo has ever made, and they've made a lot of dumb decisions.
Just show us the fucking NX and what you're making for it. What the fuck are you so afraid of? Give us something to hope for, you useless retards.
>w-w-well tou see e3 is dying s-so... there is no point in showing anything... y-yeah thats what happened
pretty much this >>337028801 I'm not a fan of the decision, but it would make a lot of sense if they are doing this in order to bring back spaceworld. I'm not holding my breath for it, but it would be really fucking neato
>>337028475
It's a presentation mostly for retailers, in where Nintendo convinces them to stock up on their products and things like that. It's not meant for the public.
They do this every year.
E3 has been dying since Nintendo decided to stop showing apparently
>>337028691
>Implying nintendo has shit to show at E3
It basically confirms that their target audience are not core gamers or whatever you want to call them. You know, the guys who buy the newest CoD and other shit which basically make up for like 80-90% of the video game market. They are retarded if they think they can survive without them and continue making games for children.
>>337029208
It's not
>>337027637
It feels like a bad move, but I assume they do plan on revealing NX in a separate direct either before or after E3. I suppose their reasoning might be that they don't want to contest about the attention during E3 and so they are going to make the reveal outside of E3 in hopes it garners more attention and hype.
>>337028480
Wii U emulation is happening though?
>>337029208
>This is what Nintenyearolds believe.
>>337028980
It took them an entire generation to make this Zelda and they're still not done. They're incompetent. They have nothing to show.
>>337027637
We all know the Wii U is dead, and they know we know, and we all know about the NX. They should have had some sort of video highlighting the upcoming or already closely-released 3ds games, like Ace Attorney or Monster Hunter, since the 3ds still has some life ahead, and finish it with a mini presentation of at least the NX box, the controler and the concept. Maybe with a slideshow of the confirmed nx games and 3rd party partnership it will had, to generate a conversation about it and announce that it will have support.
Instead they are using the child-porn enablers to play just one game. One game, based on exploration, kiling the purpouse of said game if you're watching other peple play it.
Nintendo is dead
>>337029208
People started saying this before Nintendo dropped out though.
It started when companies like EA and Activision dropped out earlier this year.
>>337029304
>You know, the guys who buy the newest CoD and other shit which basically make up for like 80-90% of the video game market.
man, must be hard being so dumb
Nintendo is doing their own thing now, trying to expand with mobile devices and soon their new "connected" NX platform.
If those fail, they can always go third party like Sega.
>new console coming next year
>don't talk about it at E3
what?
What's really baffling me is that they won't even be talking about Pokémon Sun/Moon. It's fucking POKÉMON, literally one of their top three most profitable and recognizable franchise, AND it's an anniversary year for the series.
>>337029621
And then we watch them die a slow and painful death since Nintendo's strength was always being able to work at their own pace on their own platforms.
I'd rather not see a Zelda being released every year.
Zelda is the My Little Pony of video games and you faggots eat it up. You've got your shitty, shallow little pedo simulator at E3 what else do you need?
>You fucks labeled it the greatest video game of all time
pic related
>>337029656
They are rushing it. I'm telling you know. Its so rushed infact they don't want to reveal ANYTHING because if they change anything then its just going to be a headache
>>337029809
You don't see a new GTA every year and rockstar is still in business.
>>337029872
Rockstar doesn't constantly step on its consumers toes.
>>337029621
If the NX fails, it will be Nintendo's last console. There is nowhere to go after two failed consoles I'm a row, except third party.
>E3 is dying
I love this meme
If E3 is dying like idiots say, Nintendo wouldn't bother and they would create their own event, and yet they are bringing their shitty game to E3.
MS and Sony are still coming to E3.
Activision dropped because they only have COD shit (they will show at Sony E3)
EA is doing their own event very close to E3 because it's kinda expensive for them.
E3 is still watched by millions of gamers.
>>337029815
>There are people that are genuinely still upset about ponies
It's almost as retarded as the people that still get upset by 9/11 jokes.
>>337029825
>rushing
>may release instead of december.
It's hopeless with faggots like you, even when proven wrong with fact, you will use massive gymnastic to convince yourself it's still true.
How the hell is E3 dying? It gets more and more popular every year. Last year's event made huge fucking news left and right. Even dudebro casuals have begun to tune into E3 every year. Just because companies can have their own direct shows, doesn't mean E3 week is no longer popular.
>>337029720
We're getting news on the games tomorrow, if that's consolation.
>>337029872
That's because Rockstar works their employees to death to make the deadline. Nintendo will push back a game instead.
>>337029973
>may release instead of december.
Eh?
I defended Ninty up until the Zelda NX NX 2017, Oh btw we are having a content drought on both of our consoles fiasco but you'd literally have to be the worst shit eating fanboy to defend them now
In one generation they got infected with literally every single shit thing going on in vidya today.
>>337029973
>>may release instead of december.
When did they ever say they were releasing it in December?
>Nintendo decides to shit the bed at E3
>E3 ISN'T RELEVANT ANYMORE
>E3 IS DEAD ANYWAYS
>ITS OKAY WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT
Nintendo will be fine, they just want justify Zelda U properly and this is great.
It sucks for no showing at E3 but oh well, nothing to get upset about when they getting the NX ready, it'll all be worth it come NX release.
That being said, the negativity isn't going to stop, the media especially will continue to shit out articles and click bait about Nintendo doom and gloom but you can't pretend it wasn't warranted especially when Amiibo and Censorfags exist.
Here's hoping they'll survive the negativity, it'll just help push them to guarantee NX's sucess
i don't really care about zelda
the nx better be region free tho, i swear
>>337027637
Honestly, I'm a little mixed about E3. I get that Nintendo Is trying to push for this idea of not revealing games until they're close to release date anymore, I only think it's dumb that they aren't going to announce the NX at E3.
>>337030162
>they just want justify Zelda U properly and this is great.
How is it great? If they want to justify it they should release a fuckin demo or something for their autistic fans.
>>337027637
I don't care much about E3 anymore. I'm cool with companies announcing games and hardware whenever they feel like they are ready. None of what Nintendo is doing is good news for the press though.
But I don't care about the games "journalists" and their "who won E3" articles. I don't care about how they feel entitled to a live stage show. I don't care about their fond memories of the moment Twilight Princess was announced. That game sure lived up to that day, right? and I'm sure Final Fantasy 7 Remake and The Last Guardian are guaranteed to turn out as good as those special moments felt as well. Get over yourselves.
So pretty much this Zelda has to be in at least the top 20 greatest games ever made is what they're saying.
>>337029949
The twats that keep posting the "E3 is dying" meme are the same ones who keep getting up a new industry crash. They are butthurt Nintendo fanboys longing for the good old days when Nintendo could gouge developers for overpriced ROM chips.
>>337030162
>That being said, the negativity isn't going to stop, the media especially will continue to shit out articles and click bait about Nintendo doom and gloom
This. Poor little Nintendo just cant catch a break. There is a conspiracy out to get them.
>>337030147
It was your first theory for the "they are rushing it guys" a mere few weeks ago. Anon board != short memory board.
fuck nintendo, their seal of quality means nothing anymore.
>>337030323
Watch it be worse than Skyward Sword.
>>337028194
Weren't they gonna stop organizing E3 at one point already but decided against it? Sure seems like it's on the edge of dying.
>>337030405
>Weren't they gonna stop organizing E3 at one point already but decided against it?
Nope.
>>337030341
>your
>/v/ is one person
Honestly I'm starting to think when Iwata mentioned the NX last year they had really just startd working on it so they're not ready at all to launch it now.
Nintendo has basically been going "fuck the police" since they invented Nintendo Direct. They only show stuff at E3 if they have anything, most announcements are via directs.
Seems like this year all they have is Zelda and NX and it's not yet time to show off NX, probably NX direct later in the year.
>>337028061
>The best possible outcome for Nintendo would be to reveal the NX as a suped up handheld
Are you absolutely fucking retarded?
Nintendo has caught so much flack for the 4 DSs and 4 3DS they've released yearly since 2008, another goddamn handheld would break them in half if their consumer base weren't mongoloids.
The best thing for the NX to be is a complete reboot of their home console line. Fuck the WiiU consumers, they're retarded anyways and basically non-existant. Release a competitive home console, even if its clearly behind the line like the GameCube, with no gimmicks and dedicated 3rd Party Support. Market it as anything other than a Wii brand and chop the price point to at least $300 and boom, you have a viable christmas release option that only has to compete with the PS4.5 which is ridiculous anyways.
>>337030572
>hey only show stuff at E3 if they have anything,
Seeing as there have been no directs its less "fuck the police" but more "we have fuck all to show ANYONE"
>>337029936
N64 and Gamecube both "failed" in a row and back then Nintendo had way less money. They can survive multiple fails in a row especially since every Wii U sold made them money.
>>337030591
>another goddamn handheld would break them in half if their consumer base weren't mongoloids
They still have total control over the handheld market.
Also, they've only made like two games for the New 3DS so it seems like they arleady
>>337030672
Isn't there a direct coming tomorrow?
>>337030781
news to me
>>337030781
Just news about Sun/Moon, nothing else.
>>337030672
I don't mean just this year, I mean ever since they introduced direct. They don't care about media coverage when they can just use direct.
Not saying it's not how I would do it if I was in charge. The more coverage the better.
>>337030781
For Japan
For one game
Culdcept Revolt 3ds.. never heard of it
>>337030914
There is no Pokemon Direct announced.
>>337027637
It's stupid for plenty of reasons. The biggest one being that the game comes out in March of next year, so this gives off the impression that they have fucking nothing lined up for the rest of the year. Like shit nigga, you couldn't at least show off Sun and Moon? Surely a goddamn new generation of your biggest handheld franchise is worth showing off to the public.
I guess I can see how they wouldn't want both Zelda U AND all of the NX stuff to have to share a conference, but it's just sad that their lineup is so nonexistant until next March. Take away Sun and Moon, which is coming out late this year as far as we know, and what's left? All I can think of is Color Splash, Federation Force, and #FE, and ALL THREE of those games managed to piss off their fanbase, practically guaranteeing failure.
Nintendo has fucked up. This year will suck shit for them, with Sun and Moon being the only thing they really have left for the year. We'll see how the NX launch does next year. Hopefully makes up for this embarrassment.
iwata fucked up nintendo before he died with Wii U and now the new guy in charge is going to fuck it up even more.
>>337030760
>They still have total control over the handheld market
Only because the 3ds was strong. But the vita ended up being decent competition since they just cannot make a good first party game for it. It's basically a monster hunter and pokemon machine and people are getting tired of pokemon lately. Lose monster hunter to sony and they will drown.
>>337030476
I could have sworn it happened like 5+ years ago. /v/ was freaking out about no more E3. Might have just been misinformation.
>>337031270
>people are getting tired of pokemon lately
Sure.
>>337031035
>Culdcept Revolt 3ds.
>basically a mix of monopoly and magic
>we will never get it
Nintendo strikes again. Guess that it's better that getting it butchered.
>>337031268
>Fucked it up with Wii U
How exactly? It didn't do well but they made money off of it. They're just gonna try a new thing as long as they have money and seeing how they already said NX will be sold at profit it's not gonna run out anytime soon considering how much they banked with Wii and DS. 3DS is also doing fantastic.
>>337031270
>people are getting tired of pokemon lately
I wish. I got tired of it after gen 2 but nobody else looks like they are over it even now.
>>337031424
They are. I know that I am getting bored of it, and I'm not the only one. Both Pokemons this gen were a fucking disgrace in quality even for gamefreak. It still has a big fanbase but they weren't exactly happy, and if sun/moon doesn't deliver I don't think that they can recover. That's just my opinion though.
>>337031270
I thought Capcom got screwed over by Sony in either their funding or development of their MH games. So seeing the series go back to Sony will likely not happen.
It's not a good move, it's their ONLY move. Nintendo must have NO surprises left for the WiiU if all they're willing to show is Zelda. Even though I'm a Zelda fan myself, there's a good chance this E3 will still be one of Nintendo's worst yet.
Here's what I don't get, why can't they AT LEAST show some trailers for Monster Hunter, SMT, Zero Escape 3, Kirby, and Pokemon Sun/Moon? Are they saving them for separate Directs later? Or is NoA really that dumb/lazy? Just because the WiiU is out of games, doesn't mean the 3DS is too.
But hey, what do I know? Casuals seem enamored with Zelda, so this could be the MOST EBIN E3 EVAR!!! for them. I would laugh my ass off too if journalists pulled a 180 and said shit like "One Reason Why Nintendo did E3 Right" just because they showed the one Nintendo game casuals (aka "journalists") care about (and can actually play).You bet your ass I'm bitter.
>>337031776
>I know that I am getting bored of it, and I'm not the only one.
*tap on the head* you are so special aren't you.
>>337031776
You don't understand. Anyone who still plays Pokemon in this day and age will complain if they don't like the new one but will buy and play it anyway until the end of time.
>>337028475
>muh shitposters
Kill yourself.
>>337030739
>every Wii U sold made them money
Funny how they posted losses for the entirety of the WiiU's lifespan then.
>>337032156
This.
I stopped at Gen 4, my friend has bought every gen since release even though he's vocal about his dissapointment. Pokemon fans have bought into the brand recognition too hard.
I want Nintendo succeed, especially with Third Party
Get them back
But at the same time don't accept garbage
Grab them by the fucking balls
They don't have to use gimmicks, give them freedom to choose to not do so
But don't let them throw an opportunity away
We finally get Minecraft on Wii U and Nintendo's pushing Mario themed content for free, except those fuckers at Mojang didn't deliver with gamepad usage
The reason people wanted minecraft for Wii U was for the fucking gamepad inventory, but they didn't do it
Same shit with Aliens, having gamepad for radar would've been great but the whole thing was canceled
Nintendo needs to gain third parties while also stomping their foot on common sense shit to do
>>337032627
Because the series at it's core is still good and keeps improving
The gens keep advancing by there's at least one design decision that pisses people off
For Gen 6 it's the absolutely garbage content
Otherwise they are still good games
I just want a Skyward Sword sequel with the same Link and same Zelda that has a happy ending with them having a babby.
>>337028061
Gamergate actually helped all non-jewish publishers; now they can independently push their advertisements and PR. Journos are in a dire situation now thanks to Internet - and media isn't too happy about it.
![pokemon_sun_moon.0.0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dfS6lT1.jpg "pokemon_sun_moon.0.0[1].jpg")
>>337028294
I could see it being a really weird gamble.
>Nintendo keeps out of E3
>Stays very dry
>Direct released 1-2 months after, tailored in response to competition's E3 performance.
>If E3 sucked for them, rope in those who were disappointed
>If E3 was great, get lost and overshadowed, but maybe still able to pick up the high as it starts to wear off.
>Nintendo to nobodies surprise continues the 20th consecutive year of complete isolationist echo chambering, convinced that the good reactions by only showing people so far up nintendo's ass that they would have bought it anyway is better then the negative reaction of the consumers at large.
>This is the company that tried to release a console that made beta testers physically ill after mere seconds of playing.
>This is the company that released 7 new GBA sold at a loss after the DS was already out.
>This is the company that didn't know what HD meant and had to train their first party developers and delay all their games because they literally couldn't figure out how to produce a game in high definition.
>This is the company that still doesn't have a consistent online platform for its games.
>This is the company that named its products Wii U, and NEW 3ds, which 50% of the casual demographic STILL doesn't know are their own consoles.
>This is the company that released a console barely capable of 720p 30fps while other companies are talking about 1080p 60fps with next gen graphics.
Nintendo's sales were dying and dead before the wii. The Wii was a fluke, it was not a marketing success or a clever stroke of genius or even smart people tapping into a new/un-used market. It was a complete fluke that nobody expected least of all nintendo. They've already spent and lost the billions of dollars that they had made on their complete flops of the wii u and new 3ds. Literally, they are back down to where they were during the gamecube era and are losing money each quarter.
The NX will be another gimmick bullshit because nintendo is just throwing shit at the wall and hoping that something sticks.
Even if it does, even if it's another random viral success. It'll just delay the inevitable that nintendo as a company is completely out of touch and will die due to its lack of innovation.
>>337033128
>The gens keep advancing
How? The add a single thing in a game and then remove it for the new one. It's the same fucking game with some small tweaks and changes. It's like they go out of their way to fuck it up. Last game they added a shitty quickfix called fairis in an attempt to quickfix their unbalanced game, like people really give a shit about balance in pokemon. Then after everyone and their mother complaining about hte lack of content in XY, they deleted battle frontier in the next game.
>>337030672
I think it got more to do how they've forfeited the Wii U and focus all their current software-development towards the NX. I.e. all new games except Zelda are made exclusivly for the NX, they don't want to show of the NX at E3, therefore no games at E3.
>>337030364
Literally the only thing the "seal of quality" ever meant was "this game isn't a buggy bootleg and will actually run on your system."
>>337029221
How about the completely new console they are releasing in less than a year?
>>337032447
Except they didnt, nice try though
>>337032976
how can you grab third parties by the balls? if they don't want to put up with your shit they'll just leave, it's what they did with the Wii U. Nintendo needs to suck third parties balls.
Just my two cents, didnt read the whole thread incase youve already gone over this
if i had to boil it down to one sentence id say, they are trying to force zelda too much.
ultimately, wether or not this is a good idea depends on how good or bad what they show is.
but think about when devs have something great in the works.
they might just show a little teaser at the very end to get everyone super fucking excited.
instead they are dedicating their whole presentation to zelda.
it just screams
>see!! this is a good game, everybody please buy it
they are going to force it down everyones throats for the whole presentation because with all the shit surrounding their recent years of games, this one can not fuck up in their eyes.
i think however, this is a sign of them not fully standing behind the product,
and it might very well backfire.
have a butt for reading my gay shit
I'm not buying another nintendo console after the Wii U. They blew it as far as I'm concerned. They're going to be hard pressed to save face over this NX transition. Wii was already kind of a disappointment for the core audience but then the Wii U just took a dump on everything. At least it managed to have a handful of actually good games at least in its pathetic end.
>>337033181
this post better be ironic.
>>337032976
I just want more suppor from people like Platinum
Hire devs to make games
Let more people experiment with their IP's
>>337027637
>Is this a good move?
Of course it isn't you dumbass.
Is the NX really coming out in less than a year? I feel like there's been maybe 10 games worth getting on the Wii U. What a diappointment of a console.
At least the 3DS is still killing it.
>>337030162
>they just want justify Zelda U properly and this is great
No, they just want to push NX sales and they understand that simultaneously releasing Zelda U alongside the NX port is the only way to possibly do it.
In addition to being a scummy practice, I honestly doubt it'll work. March is the absolute worst time to release a fucking console, ESPECIALLY a Nintendo console.
>>337037604
The Wii had maybe around 7-8 games worth getting if we're not counting ports, so it's a marginal improvement I guess.
>>337028980
>One of the dumbest decisions Nintendo has ever made, and they've made a lot of dumb decisions
Can't be worse than the Wii U.
>>337038048
Nah, Wii was better.
>>337038502
Nah, it wasn't.
>the worst Animal Crossing game
>the worst Smash Bros game
>the worst 3D Zelda game
>the worst Metroid game
>the worst WarioWare game
>the worst Mario Kart game
>the worst Kirby game
>the second-worst Paper Mario game
>terrible original first party games like Wii Music
>>337038819
At least it HAD an Animal Crossing, 3D Zelda, WarioWare and Kirby game.
Also
>Implying Color Splash won't be worse than Super
Marketing wise it's a fucking god awful decision. But if they're devoting resources to NX development and a strong launch for it, I think it could be worth it in the end.
Yet I find it hard to believe that that'll end up happening, but goddamn, I hope they can prove me wrong.
>>337038973
>At least it HAD an Animal Crossing, 3D Zelda, WarioWare and Kirby game
Well, I...
Shit, you're right. It doesn't have its own Metroid game either.
I guess I was just left with a better impression of Wii U because I generally enjoyed the games that it did have more than Wii's games.
>>337038819
>Operation Rainfall (3 games)
>Tatsunoko vs. Capcom
>project M
>Wario Land Shake It!
>having bad opinions to boot/if I don't like them then they don't really count!
Friendly reminder
Nintendo updated Zelda U/NX in their website
It doesn't say March 2017 anymore
Just 2017
>>337037272
>it isn't
For you
>>337037604
>Less than
They announced their plans in April
It's releasing in March 2017
At the time it was 11 months which is basically near a year
>>337038819
>The worst warioware game
You talking shit about smooth moves Nigga?
>>337038973
Color Splash is going to be what 3D World is to 3D Land, it's going to be better and more creative but still stuck in it's formula
>>337038819
Prime 3 isn't worst Metroid game.
>>337039606
>March 2017
>announced this in April: 11 months
>now is May: 10 months
>1 year = 12 months
>10 < 12
So less than a year then.
>>337040567
I think he's talking about Other M.
>>337030739
N64 and GC food not "fail". They didn't "win the console war", but that is not the sane thing as failure.
The Wii U was a failure. It has a year's head start and it ended up being in a distant third place in a three console market. It's the worst selling Nintendo console of all time, not counting the Virtual Boy. If NX has a similar failure it will do Nintendo in.
Nintendo needs to keep in mind that the majority of game sites are going to reward Game of Show to the biggest budget CGI trailer
They need to go all out of they are seriously going to take Zelda and pray
If it doesn't get 10 nominations minimum, it ain't doing shit
>>337030781
>tomorrow
No, on the 11th...and Japan-only.
>>337041435
The N64 and GC ARE failures. They are not disasters like the Wii U and VB though.
>>337039459
Perfect.
I don't care if the NX is announced at E3 or not. All I want from Nintendo is a system with a solid launch and steady flow of releases after. If it's gotta have a gimmick then either make it non-intrusive or make something that's actually innovative
>>337027637
>most likely with the whole updates PS4 and possible Xbone boogaloo, which seems smart.
I think this is their primary motivation
The last thing Nintendo wants people thinking is that the NX is an incremental upgrade of the Wii U
>Discussing
>Without shitposting
>>337027637
Reminder that Activison and EA are also dropping out of E3
Which might be a good thing for EA so they can have a separate thing to cram their Sports Simulation shit onto something else PR wise.
![[Vegeta intensifies].gif](https://i.imgur.com/qmD29tq.gif "[Vegeta intensifies].gif")
>>337038819
>Smooth Moves being worst game
Nigga I will FIGHT YOU
>>337043954
I feel like they're also doing this because trying to get Sports Celebs to show up at E3 is starting to get spendy as fuck.
>skip e3
>hype up your next shitty console in a direct no one is gonna watch
>release it in fuckint March
>be surprised when It fails
All Sony and MS have to do is announce a major sale the day it launches to ensure its buried.
>>337038819
>worst smash game
Brawl still has the best content in all of them
>Worst Kirby
Sure if your talking about Epic Yarn, Return to Dreamland is fucking GOAT, triple deluxe and Robobot are even better but they don't make RTDM look bad, it's fucking great
>worst warioware
Smooth games is by far the best game in the series only held back by how short it is
>>337034189
Yamauchi philosophy
>>337041704
Not being in first place is not a failure.
>>337045249
And the N64 and GC are still failures.
>>337044452
A price cut or big sale in March 2017 will kill the NX. Nintendo should be announcing it at.E3 and launching in November.
>>337045416
By what measure? They both had sustainable audiences and made lots of profit.
Who the fuck still plays this shit besides tumblrinas and hipsters? I'm not saying Zelda is a bad game, but I'll never understand why Nintendo is always going through pains to advertise and develop for this series instead of their other IP's or creating new ones nor will I understand who keeps buying it. The entire series is almost nothing but remakes connected by a loose and tenuous narrative that makes them superficially feel like successive storyline that doesn't have any bearing on anything besides giving Nintendo a convenient excuse to make new games of the same fucking shit.
>>337045601
>By what measure?
SEVERE loss of market next to the previous generation.
>They both had sustainable audiences and made lots of profit
If that even were ever true, Nintendo would have never came up with the Wii.
>>337046286
>SEVERE loss of market next to the previous generation.
That is not a failure though. By that measure, the SNES was a failure too.
>>337046546
The Snes is definitely a failure next to the NES but it still dominated most of the market. N64 and GC are failures.
It doesn't matter, the NX is still not going to have 3rd party support and will fail. The genius behind Sony's Neo is simple: if publishers want to tap into the 40 million install base of 4 (which they do) they MUST dedicate resources to 4.5. So off the bat devs have to create two games just for Sony machines, followed by xbox, and PC. Do you really think they're going to waste their time on a FIFTH platform from a company that's been blowing it in the hardware space for like a decade? Even if they came out with a new metroid, smash, and 3D Mario on day one, regular people wouldn't care and they'd have no where to go from there.
>>337028194
>Imbeciles keep saying this?
Because it's true.
>>337046791
The GC was a step up from the N64. The N64 was the start of what we're dealing with today where Nintendo is forced to depend too much on first party games. This was because the 64 was much harder to develop for that it drove away almost all of Nintendo's third party supporters that made the SNES a success. Most of the good games on N64 were developed by Nintendo or Rare studios. There is hardly a game worth mentioning by anyone else that didn't have a better version on PS1 or even Saturn. The GC was a return to form for Nintendo and while it didn't dominate the market, it was definitely their best system in terms of design and software since the SNES at that time.
>>337047287
>The GC was a step up from the N64
Not really.
>it was definitely their best system in terms of design and software since the SNES
Which explain weaker sales than the N64.
GC only had one thing : Melee.
>>337046240
Not sure if bait but I'll reply earnestly, people can enjoy the ''same'' thing without much issue, the same reason they can enjoy medical dramas, cop shows or murder mystery novels, there's nothing weird about finding pleasure in things that share elements that match your tastes.
>>337046240
They are big adventure games that have combat and puzzles and a charming world
The mix of all sides being good is what makes Zelda what it is
That's why
How low can they go?
It'll be worth the 2 year wait, r-right?
>>337049473
Aunouma believes it
He's only delaying it because he wants it to be great
He accepts the flaws of Skyward Sword and wants the original design philosophy
Link Between Worlds was a nice experiment
We'll see at E3 how it'll end up, but frankly all the hard work will eventually pay off
Nint3ndo could do literally anything and people would shit all over them. That's why they just don't give a fuck about E3 anymore. The western games media and sites like this completely hate them and shit on them constantly. Why are you surprised when they just go "ok fuck you whatever we just won't bother showing you anything"?
Personally I think it's a good idea.
When your console is in last place, but you're sure that you have another Ocarina of Time in your bank, how do you properly allocate the proper amount of PR to that game if it will affect the next two decades of gaming?And in OoT's case still not be topped.
Giving it its own E3 is the only way.
Honestly this is what Nintendo should have done in 1997 too.
>>337046240
>I'll never understand why Nintendo is always going through pains to advertise and develop for this series instead of their other IP's or creating new ones nor will I understand who keeps buying it
All of Nintendo's IPs are getting more and more irrelevant because they refuse to make fun games and only focus on "creative gimmicks" no one gives a shit about. Zelda is probably the franchise that suffers the most from that.
>>337050861
>you're sure that you have another Ocarina of Time in your bank
The delusion is strong with this one.
>>337028061
>It's sort of an unwritten rule that with each Nintendo console you get your own mainline Mario and Zelda game.
>This would finally break that pattern.
Evolution is not a bad thing, this industry i can't believe it.
>>337050349
I swear to you if the new Zelda is close to be Naruto faggotry of any sort I'll find you and shove the monkey paw and the rest of the dead ape right inside your ass.
>>337050349
>Nintendrone liking Naruto
so Nintendrones are all autistic then yeah?
>>337051167
Those who bought the Wii U definitely are. Those who bought it for Zelda U are beyond hope.
>>337050967
Nintendo said Zelda U is going to change gaming conventions a few days ago.
>tfw your favorite ip is getting a new mainline game and it will be even better because you know that while you're enjoying it there will be people on /v/ shitposting about it and those same people will be literally angry and buttblasted that there are people who bought it and enjoy it
>>337051612
>Nintendo said
The delusion is off the charts with this one.
>>337051167
>>337051415
You can quit that shit, we all know where do Naruto game sells the most
>>337049473
You mean 6 year wait, right?
Skyward sword came out in 2011
>>337047680
>GC only had one thing : Melee.
And Twilight Princess, Windwaker, Mario Sunshine, Baten Kaitos, Soul Calibur, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil remake, Resident Evil Zero, Resident Evil 4, Rogue Leader, Rebel Strike, Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime, Crystal Chronicles, Luigi's Mansion, Phantasy Star Online and most of the best titles in the Dreamcast library after SEGA went under including Ikaruga and Skies of Arcadia, Super Monkey Ball, Tales of Symphonia, , MGS: Twin Snakes, Timesplitters, Pokemon Colosseum, Mario Party, Animal Crossing, Custom Robo, Star Fox (for what it's worth), Battalion Wars, Harvest Moon, etc.
The GC was vastly superior to the 64 in almost every conceivable way. It could handle most of the same games as its competition, the PS2, Dreamcast & XBox, & had far better third party titles. With the 64, unless it has the Rare logo on it or is Star Fox 64, Smash or Mario 64/Party, chances are it is pure shovelware or is a vastly inferior version of a game that was also available on PS1 (only exceptions I can think of were Mischief Makers and Legend of the Mystical Ninja). The GC could not only handle many of the popular games on PS2 & X-Box at the same time, it could also boast in some cases that it had the best versions and some of its exclusives were so hot that Sony went through pains to get them on its own system. And the GC controller was a huge improvement over that autistic monstrosity that was the 64 controller. I have a lot of fond memories of the 64, but nostalgia often blinds people to the facts. It's game library was vastly inferior to the SNES' (which gave us some of the most iconic games in the history of the industry) and it's hardware was atrocious. The GC brought Nintendo back to relative quality comparable to the SNES era, was complimented by the success of the GBA and the first wave of the DS and then followed by the colossal success of the Nintendo Wii.
>>337050861
OoT helped the 64 but not enough to beat Sony (specially in Japan). They have a huge confidence in the game and that is good, but they need more than that.
>>337047114
I ain't reading all that shit
Also see >>337029949
>>337028189
>>337028061
t. nintencuck
>>337052502
The 64 was the first console that was solely my own and I have to agree, it's basically the worst Nintendo console. Not the worst thing ever though. It had better titles than the Wii U, but I do love MK8
>>337052532
nintendo's current problem isn't much Japan, it's Europe. USA is mediocre but still strong. Japan reacted well to splatoon. Europe is a dead market to reconquer for them. Zelda is definitely a good way to attract that market.
>>337051932
Oh no you don't.
We all know where the Naruto games were the best (GCN).
Naruto and Nintendo go together like Sony and Bleach.
Don't think i don't see what you're doing. Trying to use 4chan's hivemend psychological disorder to lay claim to Naruto for yourselves Sonyfriend.
>>337052709
>I won't read the truth, this meme is all I need
You totally showed us there wow so cool upvoted forever.
Sucks for a console maker, but several companies are backing out of E3 this year including Activision and Disney.
There is a huge difference between "Zelda U will be the only playable game at E3" and "Zelda U will be the only thing they will show at E3".
Just saying.
Also, after the disaster the Digital Event was last year and the positive feedback the Treehouse streams got for two years straight, it was obvious they would drop the Digital Event format and focus on the Treehouse streams.
They can still announce something during Treehouse streams as well, nowhere it says they can't.
As for the NX, I don't give a flying fuck about it. The later they release it, the merrier for me.
>>337052807
Europe has never been Nintendo territory man and i was just pointing out the Japan and the N64 thing, even the Saturn beat them.
>>337052502
The problem with the Gamecube is that Nintendo first party titles were just good, if you compare them to the 64 well yeah, you can say they are better since the GC is more powerful than the 64, but the first party on the 64 was ridiculously good compared to the competition, and also Nintendo lost the FPS audience with the GC. Honestly, the 64 was the end of peak Nintendo, SM64, OoT and Goldeneye as games were a force to be reckon with, i don't think the Gamecube had games like that, perhaps Metroid Prime, but in the end is a niche genre.
>>337053347
>The later they release it, the merrier for me.
Fuck off, I'm sick of 240p.
>>337033416
It's so weird to read an opinion like this, because it's the opposite of what I think. You say lack of innovation, but from my viewpoint, Nintendo is the only one who still is willing to innovate, while the competition is doing nothing to advance vidya.
>>337053512
>Europe has never been Nintendo territory
untrue. nes/snes era were nintendo time in europe. Don't believe the UKcucks trying to pretend they are the whole continent
>>337054358
>nes/snes era were nintendo time in europe.
Wow, Nintendo beat a company that is no longer in the console business over 20 years ago. Amazing.
>>337052502
>And [...]
Didn't sell the system, therefore irrelevant.
>The GC was vastly superior to the 64 in almost every conceivable way
Yet it sold less, people buy systems for games not for specs.
>It could handle most of the same games as its competition, the PS2, Dreamcast & XBox, & had far better third party titles
People don't care for the former, sales disagree with the latter.
>The GC could not only handle many of the popular games on PS2 & X-Box at the same time, it could also boast in some cases that it had the best versions and some of its exclusives were so hot that Sony went through pains to get them on its own system
Same as above.
>I have a lot of fond memories of the 64
No one cares about blogshit.
>The GC brought Nintendo back to relative quality comparable to the SNES era
Sales disagree.
>was complimented by the success of the GBA
Apples and oranges.
>The GC brought Nintendo back to relative quality comparable to the SNES era, was complimented by the success of the GBA and the first wave of the DS and then followed by the colossal success of the Nintendo Wii
GC and GBA have nothing to do with the successes of Wii and DS
Sales speak for themselves, no one cared about any of this shit. Melee is the only reason GC didn't bomb Wii U style.
>>337054551
That wasn't even the point.
>>337054551
are you alright kid?
>>337054025
This is especially glaring with StarFox Zero. The game actually innovates the control scheme of the series. It's harder to learn and master but once you get it, it's pretty much like piloting an actual Space ship. And guess what? People complained about that. They didn't like different controls. "Please give me back my old control scheme", all reviews begged.
So people want Nintendo to innovate but at the same time to stay the same. They want them to do new things, no more rehashes, but at the same time rehash their older games. Hum.
It's almost like for most people "innovation" means "graphics and story improvements" and nothing else.
>>337031776
>Pokemons
Opinion discarded.
>>337052783
>Not the worst thing ever though.
Well of course, it's not like it's the 3DO or Jaguar. But it deserves to be panned because it's probably the worst of the best.
The only reason people applaud the thing so much is because the system was owned by every fat Mexican kid for miles, but if you asked anyone who had one back in the day to name some truly great titles, chances are they could only list the same three or four they always played everyday after school, which was normally just Star Fox, Smash, Ocarina of time and whatever Rare game they owned (maybe Perfect Dark, Goldeneye or Banjo Kazooie). That's not to say there aren't any hidden gems on the 64 that got overlooked by the average consumer (Mischief Makers & Winback were games I played that no one else at school I knew ever did since they only ever played Smash). But I think both the game library, as well as the hardware for the GC was way better than 64
>>337053512
The problem is when people only look at console sales. The GC probably had more software that sold in the millions than the N64 and unlike the 64 era, the GC had the GBA and the DS to back it up. Nintendo not selling quite as many Gamecubes was never a huge deal considering how much money they made off the software for the GC and the amount of GBA's, GBA: SP's and DS' they sold during that time and the money made from those systems' software. During the 64 era, you had had the failure of the Virtual Boy, and the Gameboy Color was kind of on its last legs (I don't remember there being that much hype for GBC releases) so you had a single high selling system with a very small library of really popular games, but I mean when you look at how big of a success something like Final Fantasy 7 was for PS1, the 64's "success" is kind of laughable, and the fact that Nintendo could have lost Square to Sony, who was one of its best developers for the SNES goes to show just how fucking stupid they were at the time.
>>337052709
>>337029949
E3 has been on surprisingly shaky grounds since its very conception.
It wasn't even all about games initially. The Electronic Entertainment Expo was an expo, for investors I might add, for basically all things electronic entertainment.
And the amusing thing is that it wasn't that big of a hit with investors, the entire purpose behind the expo.
However because it was so comparably open with barely any restrictions actually being enforced, regular people could just waltz in and out. And they did.
And the games presented caught a lot of attention with the passerbyers. So even though it wasn't that big of a hit with the investors they tried it again and made more of a marketing expo out of it, not just with the investors in mind.
But this is where E3 gets interesting. Since half a decade ago already, they closed off E3 for real. It was never intended for the open public, but the open public were always part of E3 up until that point. And they also shaped how E3 developed. But they've been cut off.
Basically Sony and others were tired of and afraid of making an ass of themselves, which they've decided hurt their brand while doing more bad than good. Leading to E3 being closed off and everyone seizing far more control of E3. And E3 has changed dramatically since.
However, and this is the absolute most interesting thing about E3. E3 was since its conception an expo for investors, but it has never actually been that big with investors. And that has interestingly enough not changed. Especially not in recent years since the open public were closed off.
>>337052465
It was supposed to come out last year, it's coming out next year. Count it: two years ah ah ah.
>>337054921
It's gotten to the point where more and more backers are pulling out of E3 either partway or completely. The open public's role as part of E3 is almost nothing compared to the past. Publishers basically use the event to placate the press, but investors generally aren't too interested in the press outside of trusting the publishers to keep good relations with them. And the press are basically the only ones actually attending E3.
And while E3 is a suitable space to placate the press, publishers don't really need an event like E3 to do just that. That is more a tradition that has continued from a time when not only the industry was entirely different, but the nature of E3 as well.
I honestly think that we're moving towards a future where huge publishers are much more likely to do events of their own of various kinds, and that these huge events with every publisher of the industry in them sharing a stage, will grow to be less and less prevalent no matter if it disappears completely or not. Even if publishers host their own events around the same general timeframe or not.
>>337047114
it is amazing that you not only think anyone is going to read a 5000 word forum post, but you have it saved.
>>337054823
I'm going to make it simple for you to understand, people want new shiny, fun things that will remain fun with time, people do NOT want one time novelties, gimmicks and whatnot that only serve to promote "creativity" and "ego". And more important, people want to have the choice.
>>337030760
>They still have total control over the handheld market.
thats cute but the hand held market is on phones now.
>>337055282
>people do NOT want one time novelties, gimmicks and whatnot
But anon, people love VR.
>>337054715
>>337054793
lol samefag moar
>>337055334
Mobile gaming is its own thing, separated from home consoles and handhelds. Don't fail for Neogaf's memes.
E3 could die for all I care, but the presence of a huge event where companies all show off their games is only good for the average player. Having a good presentation will only help sales, not hinder.
I'd rather E3 be that than anything else. It sits at the perfect time of the year for such an event.
>>337027637
>They also announced that instead of a Direct/Presentation they are just having the Treehouse live stream reveal Zelda U to us.
Goddamn. I love Nintendos E3 presentations and directs. Even the shit ones, because at least then I could have a laugh.
But this is fucking nothing. Sony and Microsoft will be having big conferences to get excited over, but here there's just nothing.
>>337055014
>Sony has their own events like PS Experience and the likes
>Nintendo has their directs
>EA and Ubisoft jumping ship
>Everyone else doing game announcements at other events like Activision, Capcom, Sega and Blizzard
I think only MS , Square, Bethesda and SCE American branch gives a fuck about E3 but even then Sony can just have their conferences in July and December and get the same hype train going on.
I think the only people who give a shit about E3 is Investors, Journalists and Console fanboys because everyone else sure as hell doesn't care that much anymore.
I mean Sony got a lot of attention when they showed FF7 Remake GAMEPLAY more than the teaser at E3 where we learned nothing
>>337055513
yea just like console gaming was its own thing and separated from arcades. no ones getting hand helds anymore when their phones are as powerful and you don't look like a dweeb.
nigga handhelds are DEAD. it just hasn't caught on to hardcore gamers yet
Ihave never visited neogaf and don't leave /v/ often
I'm sad Zelda's going to be shown off by the Treehouse. It just doesn't feel "big" when they do it. I just fucking know they'll go over every little detail in a mundane and boring way, not leaving anything for us to find out for ourselves.
On the note of E3, I don't at all think it matters. Later in the year Nintendo will have a presentation for the NX and it will be all over everywhere in the media, despite not being at E3. That's just the power of social media.
>>337055647
well this will be the first year without iwata won't it
>>337055282
The problem with this is that people don't actually know what they want. People want fun, but, most consumers lack imagination, and so they define "fun" as "more of what we have... but better!" That's the whole purpose of Nintendo's innovation: an attempt to give people what they didn't know they wanted. I'd say by and large they've been successful, since they're possibly the biggest brand in gaming, and have lots of vidya-defining developments under their collective belts.
It's easy for me to envision an alternate reality where third parties really put a lot of effort into the Wii U initially, which expanded the userbase dramatically, which led to huge sales. I don't really think Nintendo made that big of a mistake with the Wii U, I just think circumstances didn't work out for it.
>>337054898
Yeah the gamecube has the best software sales/hardware sales ratio of every Nintendo console, thats really good. But the hardware sales were really bad man, they dropped the price from 200 to 100 the same day they dropped the GBA SP from 100 to 80, and even with that 20usd difference people still prefered the GBA, and the next year they launched the DS at 150, and people still prefered the handheld. The GC is a great system with great games, but honestly the problem of looking back at consoles is that we look at them for what they have but when they are on the market a lot of people look at them for what they dont have and the GC didnt have GTA. This will happen to the Wii U too, in 15 years people are not gonna look at it and say "oh it didnt have third party supportt" and will look at it fondly for what it has.
And yeah, FF was a blunder from Nintendo, but SM64 was the best selling game of its generation.
>>337027637
>Is this a good move?
No, but it's the only one they can make other than not having anything at all.
The problem is that they're not going to get "everybody's attention", because their marketing is non-existant and the Directs aren't good enough.
>>337054626
>Yet it sold less, people buy systems for games not for specs.
And people bought more Gamecube games than they ever did 64 games despite less people owning a GC
>People don't care for the former,
Yes, they do. The fact that the GC had the capability of playing the same games as its competition made the GC a good investment as you didn't have to worry about missing out on too much of the PS2 or X-Box's game libraries.
>Sales disagree.
Actually, they agree. Again, console sales don't matter if you're selling plenty of software.
>Apples and oranges.
I see you're too fucking stupid to get the point. We're discussing which era was "better" for Nintendo in terms of how much money they made and the quality of their products. The GC era tops the 64 era in both departments because the GC was successful in terms of its overall software sales for Nintendo and was complimented by the GBA & the DS' hardware and software sales. The 64 was really the only thing during its time that was really making Nintendo money, but Nintendo was far better off during the GC era because it had a total of three systems on the market. While the GC never sold as many units as the 64, that's actually total inconsequential overall, as it was still successful in terms of console sales and destroyed its predecessor in terms of software sales. Nintendo also made tons more money off the GBA and DS, which complimented the GC sales figures. Overall, during the era of GC, GBA, & DS 1.0, Nintendo was making more money than it had ever been and this success was followed by another even greater success: The Wii which was both a software and hardware success. The Wii U is a return to the shitty days of the N64, except it can't even boast that it has a lot of console sales for its incredibly weak game library.
>>337055916
>well this will be the first year without iwata won't it
>Iwata died knowing that everyone fucking hated Nintendo at E3 2015
What a tragedy. I almost feel bad about Federation Force.
>>33702>>337029221
>Ignoring Nintendo's 2014 E3
>>337055984
I forgot to add that the "failure" of the 64 has to do with Final Fantasy, but there are more things to consider, as it has been a current problem with Nintendo, they fail to cultivate a bigger audience than their own, apart from the FPS audience they didn't get anyone, there is like what, 1 rpg for the system?
In the end, people just didn't care for the Gamecube man, even with the third party support, people were like mehhhhh.
>>337055369
How long until they get bored of it? VR in its current form will never get big.
It's really sad that the only game they can show is Zelda. I suppose they don't want to show anything else that was already moved to the NX, or that those projects are not even in a stage were they can show anything at all.
This is the absolute worst console Nintendo has ever made (arguably the Wii was also terrible, but at least they managed to sell it really well).
Also what's up with the 3DS? This is the console that has kept Nintendo relevant in the recent years, all their good games have been on it.
Are they ditching it as well in favor of a new handheld? Lots of questions, but Nintendo seems to be making mistakes.
>>337057381
>It's really sad that the only game they can show is Zelda.
The only playable game on the showfloor. That's what they said. They didn't say they will show only Zelda.
They won't lose the occasion to show stuff like MonHun Generations or Pokemon Sun and Moon.
>>337057725
On what? They're not doing a public conference or a digital presentation or direct. It's just gonna be a treehouse Zelda stream and that's it.
>>337028189
Screw you mate. I started watching E3 streams with /v/ like 4 years ago. Shits fun as fuck. I take off from work now and barbque and shit. Sad but true. Its like a holiday.
>>337055943
>That's the whole purpose of Nintendo's innovation: an attempt to give people what they didn't know they wanted
This is so wrong, this is what Miyamoto believes no doubt but the truth is that Nintendo's attempts at "creativity" only serve one goal : educate them. Nintendo is not one bit interested in you having fun, Nintendo only wants you to circlejerk to theircrappyideas. This is why the Wii was such a succes, it didn't need to educate anyone, the system was incredibly self explanatory.
There's a reason Nintendo didn't give the choice with alternate controls during the Wii and DS days, because they feared that if given the choice between something traditional and something experimental, people would go for the traditional and miss their "creativity" in the process. This is of course all bullshit, the Wii itself is proof that people will go with experimental if done right, the reason Nintendo didn't give a choice is because they knew their attempts at "creativity" were sucking ass next to more traditional ways.
>>337027637
The NX is honestly such a huge slap in the face to Wii U owners. The Wii U's life didn't even kick off until 9 months after it launched when Pikmin 3 finally released.
Then they promised us that the first half of 2014 would have good support, and the only game we got was Mario Kart 8 in May.
Then they made the SAME PROMISE in 2015, and the only games we got in the first half were Kirby Rainbow Curse in March and Splatoon in May.
They dangled Zelda U in front of our faces for years, making promises that it was *definitely* coming out soon, only to give us a gimped version of a superior console's launch title.
The Wii U's lifespan will be less than 4.5 years by the time NX launches, but it really only got 2 years of support thanks to the droughts. Not even 2 "good" years, just 2 years total.
>>337056270
Jesus Christ, you're actually using the GBA and DS selling to prove that the GC isn't a failure? This is the most painful attempt at grasping at straws in forever.
>>337058134
>I would be so angry if I had a wiiU omg how can they still be alive damn
projecting that hard isn't good for you.
>>337055984
>>337056742
Well, the PS2 always had the edge partly because it was a DVD player. There's probably no conceivable way the Gamecube could have been expected to compete with the PS2 in that respect. But if we're looking at things in terms of hardware/software sales ratio, quality of hardware itself regardless of sales, and quality and diversity of game titles regardless of sales, I have trouble saying the 64 wasn't the worst system Nintendo produced. The 64 had a few really high selling titles that kept it afloat, but alienated a lot of developers because it was more difficult to develop games for and was weaker than the PS1. The Nintendo 64 had to ride the success of games like Smash or Ocarina of Time. The GC had a more diverse game library and in terms of the overall software sales, made more money than the n64 library, even if there wasn't a single title that sold as much or became as iconic as the handful of really stellar 64 titles. But the average N64 consumer was content with only those handful of titles because there wasn't really much else worth having on the n64. The average GC owner probably had a much larger library of games and while the system didn't sell as well as the 64, the owners of the GC could be relied on to consistently buy later titles, unlike the average 64 owner. Also, the hardware sales of the GC were relatively bad by Nintendo standards, but weren't exactly something to snuff at.
I can buy a Wii and have a huge library of genuinely good GC games and Wii gems to play and I would even say I think the game library on Wii U is better than the 64's. But the Wii U is only worth it for a couple Mario games, Sm4sh and Splatoon, much like how the 64 was only worth it for like five first or second party games, so in that respect they're very comparable.
>>337058429
I do have a Wii U. Fuck off fanboy.
>>337027637
>only Treehouse
sounds like they shouldn't be doing anything if that's literally all they're going to do. Comes off as half assed and like they don't take the consumer seriously.
>>337058824
And yet they still paid so much to reserve the fuck ton of space they usually get and are no doubt going to pay even more for all the Zelda themed decorations. It's like they're putting as much effort into not giving a shit they possibly can. Nintendo always makes such weird ass decisions to the point where I don't even think they have a plan anymore, they're just making random choices left and right and seeing what works.
>>337044589
>Brawl still has the best content in all of them
>>337059839
Not him but it's true.
>>337055882
>I just fucking know they'll go over every little detail in a mundane and boring way, not leaving anything for us to find out for ourselves.
This is what I am worried about.
I am actually kind of torn on Zelda and this E3.
On one hand I really don't really want any more Zelda coverage before I have the game in my own hands ready to play it myself since I am already sold.
However, at the same time I kind of don't want to miss Nintendo's super weird "Zelda-only-E3". It sounds so ridiculous that it kind of feels wrong to miss it.
What will it even be? How would it even be? It's to the point where I am still leaning towards it actually being more than Zelda because it actually just being Zelda just sounds too ridiculous.
>>337058184
>Jesus Christ, you're actually using the GBA and DS selling to prove that the GC isn't a failure?
Not at all. The point is that the GC's lack of success comparable to the N64 in terms of its hardware sales is totally irrelevant because:
1. The software sales for the GC alone more than made up for the less than stellar hardware sales because the smaller number of GC owners spent way more money on software than the large number of 64 owners did for its software, the fact that the 64 had more single titles that became "classics" doesn't matter when you look at the overall money Nintendo was making during those periods
2. Nintendo during the period of the GC's run (2001-2007/8) had three systems on the market to choose from. Nintendo never had to put all its money the GC at all so it was never really as important for the GC to be a success as the N64, which was the only real moneymaker for Nintendo had from 1996-2001.
3. Objectively, the GC was better than the 64 because it was on par in terms of the hardware of its competitors, had a larger and more diverse game library of well-received titles, and overall helped Nintendo make more money as part of the GC/DS/GBA trinity
The GC was not as successful as far as console unit sales went when compared to the 64, but the system itself was better than the 64 in every other area regardless , and as far as that particular generation of consoles goes, Nintendo was doing better during the time of the GC than during the time of the 64, which was a dark age for Nintendo relatively speaking after the success of the NES, SNES and Gameboy. The 64 era is only remembered for a tiny collection of party titles made by Nintendo themselves and couple gems from Rare studios. You can buy a 64 now, and there's only maybe 6 games worth having on that system. You can buy a GC or a Wii now and probably have 20 good GC games worth having.
>>337027637
Who cares anymore. Zelda doesn't do anything anymore, it's just become another series that modern nintendo craps out because "hey its Nintendo". Zelda isn't special anymore.
-it relies on gimmicks now, rather than pushing the adventure genre forward like it used to through traditional means
-it's been casualized into the floor (dont even give me that "its always casual" damage control, it's gotten MORE CASUAL because wiimote flingers feelings matter apparently)
-new games are put out far too often now, most of them spinoffs or toon link GARBAGE
-Aonuma and the Zelda team are creatively dead.
The legend of fucking Zelda hasn't felt like an adventure or a quest in a loooooooong fucking time. They need to stop pandering to casual babys feelings, bring back cryptic so you have to actually hunt shit down, push ideas, drop gimmicks FUCKING ENTIRELY, hire some fucking VA's finally beyond grunts moans and groans (except link) and make the god damn series feel like a motherfucking adventure again.
Give us lots of fucking secrets including hidden weapon upgrades like Zelda 1 and ALTTP, a unique rustic overworld, make bosses challenging but not gimmicky. Give us new unique tools, bring back magic like the fire sword, fairy, thunder, and spell. Make the enemies matter rather than fucking random walkin "cut here" prompts.
JUST STOP SUCKING, FUCK! STOP PLAYING IT SAFE NINTENDO!
>>337027637
>So basically they are skipping out entirely from E3 outside Zelda.
What games do they even have besides Zelda?
>>337060237
Not him but they probably really dont have anything, it's kinda sad really. Most of what they're probably working on is NX related, because they realized they cant have a weak launch.
>>337027637
No it makes them look fucking weak
Because they are fucking weak
Weak ass Nintendo bringing one game to E3
As in E "most hyped up annual event in vidya media" 3
It's embarrassing and Nintendo has no idea
>>337060028
The atmosphere is extremely washed out. 64 and Melee had it much better
>>337055882
I remember when they were showcasing paper jam and I think on the people playing didn't even know who Petey Piranha was or what game he came from
>>337038819
>>337044589
>>337059839
>>337060028
>Brawl
are we talking gameplay wise or competitive wise?
>>337060926
Content-wise.
>>337061090
Got it.
>>337027637
Although i am sonyfag i feel sorry for nintendo in 2016.Who the fuck is running that company.
The most recognisable franchises yet one game at E3 trailing with Zelda game.They are like SEGA at final days...
>>337030591
The Wii U fans aren't some small group of people. Pissing off the only remaining fans is never a good idea. Likewise, making a standard console to try and compete with Sony and Microsoft will fuck them over as well. They need something that keeps them as a separate product to stay away from the other 2 major consoles. They will die if they try to compete with the other 2.
>>337028481
Your post reminded me that 3ds is fucking jrpg central this year. I have to assume at least DQ 7 and SMT IV Apocalypse will be there.
Read between the lines, people. Having only Zelda isn't a good thing, and Nintendo wouldn't make the decision to only show it unless there was no better option. This leads me to believe:
A) They have lots of NX software in development, and possibly even in a fair state of completion, but they can't show it without exposing whatever gimmick the NX is. This could be an innocuous gimmick like the portable/home hybrid or something wild like smell-o-vision, but their complete silence not only on the hardware front but also the software front suggests it's something that they desperately want MS and Sony to be blind to.
B) They actually don't have anything else to show, and they've squandered lots of time struggling to come up with a viable NX and develop software for it, and they're in crunch-mode basically from now until March.
C) NX is a relatively normal console, and they have some software in development for it, but they want to show it on their own terms, after MS and Sony blow their load with their iterative consoles.
The only reason they're showing Zelda at all is because it spent so much time in development for Wii U that they couldn't reasonably port the entire thing to NX with NX-specific features, so they might as well release it for Wii U, too. I'm sure there were plenty of other Wii U projects without the publicity of Zelda that got quietly pushed back to NX.
>>337029973
>May release
It's a March release, friendo.
>>337028061
All of the big publishers are still holding press conferences which is all that you fags care about. The only thing changing this year is that some publishers are skipping the showroom display to have their own floors outside E3 where anyone can enter, not just journalists and executives.
Remember that E3 originally is an industry show. It is meant for companies to convince retailers to stock their shit, and this dynamic changed in the past few years since publishers now have other distribution channels and ways to reach their public.
anyway wii u is not a total failure, it sold as much as the master system, a console not considered a flop
>>337059029
I can't wait until 20 years from now where some guy will publish a bibliography detailing the bizarre management of Nintendo.
Obviously they're also showing us the NX.
But still, this game better be fucking groundbreaking for a Zelda game, or else they're fucked.
>>337031268
Jesus christ when was this picture taken?
>>337063694
A few months before his death
>>337027637
There are three answers: Nintendo is so confidant in this that they want to show only this and show a lot of it and by proxy will steal the show
They have so little confidence in everything else or are not ready to show it off yet
They fucking hate you and everything you stand for and want to hurt you on all levels
>>337030401
SS was one of the best Zeldas so far
>>337028481
>No one will give a shit about it now
why? I still want to see the game. If i want the NX i'll probably wait and get a bundle (you know that's fucking happening) if i don't i'm getting the WiiU version
I don't understand why it's a bad thing.
>Buy an NX for the premium next gen Zelda experience that will surely be the best Zelda game ever made
>three years later realize you bought a console with ONE (1) video game
>Nintenkids join forces with Sonyshits in the fight against Microshills because Microshills are the only ones with more than one game on their console
