>we don't give a fuck about fan feedback!! xDD
>we only care about what our sekrit club thinks!!! :DD
>>336932432
>Omg, dat X hero killed. OP AS FUCK NERF FFS
This is what 99.918796% of the feedback is. Rest is MLP themed skin requests.
>we don't give a fuck about fan feedback!!
This is generally a good thing
unless the devs themselves are completely incompetent
>>336932432
You know, not every fan suggestion is a good one even when agreed on unilaterally.
>>336932787
>having a character that becomes a turret completely unrestricted so any faggot can camp the corner of a capture point
If anything, they should set up areas where you can't use it.
>>336932432
>Caring about high level competitive play
>Don't even care about Bastion
>Already thinking about nerfing McCree
Holy shit, Blizzard is already doing right what so many others are doing wrong.
>>336932765
are you implying that blizzard's developers are competent?
>>336932432
I hope they fix D. Va, she could be so good but has to many hindrances.
>>336932432
Anyone who says "x character is so broken" is probably not a reliable point of feedback
>Nerfing McCree
>Leaving Bastion and Torb alone
Torb is fine, and McCree isn't that much of a threat. But leaving Bastion alone to scare off the newbies is a bad idea.
>>336932432
>focusing on autistic esports
It's fucking trash
>>336933267
Yeah because clearly there's no fucking way one out of twenty characters could ever be considered broken. Ever.
The game has been perfectly balanced since the beginning. As are most competitive games, that's why they're never updated.
>>336932432
>He's easy as shit to counter at a high level
>But he's broken at a low level
So then fucking fix it.
>>336933347
pretty sure this is old when mccree had no damage fall off and could 1 shot all non tanks across the map headshot with mercy damage amp, which also got nerfed to 30% amp
>>336933347
At the most they just need to nerf the range on it. Add a wind up to it. Have his gun "overheat"
He is weak in high level play though, everytime I play with my friends he is a complete joke, but running in pubs it's terrible how strong he is because the entire team is retarded.
>>336932432
they are completely correct in this regard
>>336932432
>Overwhelming number of players complaining about Bastion
>The small percentage of players who are really good at the game, who have a pretty strong self-serving incentive to not come off as whiny, say he's fine.
>WHELP HE'S CLEARLY NOT STRONG ENOUGH
>>336933457
No it's just people who say "X character is broken" are almost-always in any circumstance just salty about losing a lot to them or they don't have a firm grasp on the character or the game mechanics
>>336933487You can't fix a terminal case of The Bads
>>336932903
>having a character that can plant a turret completely unrestricted so that any friend can camp the corner of a capture point
>>336933632
They want the e-sports crowd anon. Once you pander to them its over.
>>336933714
I know this is bait but even the mini-turrent takes three times longer to deploy then Bastions insta-turrent.
>pharah going to get nerfed
fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEE, she has to hit people directly to do decent damage and she dies almost instantly anyway
>>336933487
you don't get what they're saying at all do you
if you think you can simultaneously buff and nerf a character to work perfectly in high and low level play maybe you should go work for blizzard
>>336933713
But you can make a character competitive at both a high and low level without being shit at one and broken at another.
>>336933632
there has never once been a time when the majority have been right about anything in regards to videogame balance
>>336933487
Agreed, they should give him a buff. I'm thinking maybe 200 more health, a bit more speed, and some mobility while in turret form.
>>336933632
>Overwhelming number of players
Overwhelming number of new and shitty players you mean
>>336932432
It's impossible to balance a game for both shitty and good players. Noobs will always have problem with Bastion, while no one plays Bastion at higher skill matches.
>>336933826
low level shitters just need to know the counter
>>336933825
But you literally can, it's even fucking easier when the character has multiple forms, a more flexible toolkit is a huge buff most of the time.
Is Overwatch even worth playing?
>>336933961
Yes but once everyone knows the counter the character just becomes wasted shit and you have the opposite end of the problem.
>>336933118
They were competent, until they listened to fan feedback and destroyed WoW.
>>336933965
What can you do to fix it without nerfing low level play and buffing high level play?
Seriously interested because as of now the only time he ever seems useful is when you're in a pub. You can tell the defense team is bad when you have a Reinhardt and bastion DEFENDING.
But for some reason on pubs this seems like the most OP thing ever.
>>336933826
>But you can make a character competitive at both a high and low level
you realize this just means even more people will play him
>>336933846
Why can't Bastion move in turrent form?
He'd be less useless if he could walk around, it'd also be nice if he could become temporarily invincible when deploying his turret form.
They key here is to make him viable in high-level play.
>>336934068
no once everyone at low level play knows the counter they will keep dying because they are bad and either can't play it or won't play it and keep complaining
>>336933949
He's a bit like arceus. while it's op as fuck for noobs, he still does have counters at higher level play. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's still without a doubt the best in the game bar none by a mile.
>>336934068
then you counter the counters
duh
and when they switch off them you just switch back to meme turret/tank man
>>336934049
No. Worst game of all time. Battleborn is infinitely better.
>>336933965
Please, enlighten us with your brilliant idea in more detail, that we may face in awe at your intellectual prowess
>>336932432
>how do we fix this hero?
>i know, let's listen to the 99% of the playerbase, even if it's just noise made from legally retarded shitters!
>>336934162
>But it still doesn't change the fact that it's still without a doubt the best in the game bar none by a mile.
but the devs blatantly just said this is not the case and that people need to just pay attention and not be shit at the game, and then he is easy to deal with
>Character can be countered when playing specific characters
>Otherwise he mows through your health in under a second
Oh yeah, clearly he's just not viable in high level play.
>>336934115
Then it'd make his scout form useless if he can move in turret form.
You could argue that he moves really slowly but that really doesn't do much in terms of buffing him.
are you faggots all for real, bastion is easily shit on by a tracer with a brain
like "lol xd git gud fags" is a meme but actually applicable here
>>336934162
best in the game implies he has a use, at the highest level bastion does absolutely nothing to anyone
>>336934208
I've heard of Battleborn but never played it either.
I would only play Overwatch during this free beta period, btw.
>>336934273
They're clearly playing him wrong. Me and my m8s are all top players and we run three bastions
>>336934229
Did you even read the full post? They were deliberating on how to handle Bastion because they know he's weak in high level play but "op" in low level play.
>>336934318
LOOK AT THIS GENIUS EVERYONE
LET'S ALL JUST PLAY TRACER ALL THE TIME AND CALL IT A DAY
man and here i thought dark souls had trained a new gen that could handle hard gameplay
>>336932432
Bastion is very easy to kill. Just be tracer and fuck him. Easy
>>336934341
Except kill anyone who walks in his LoS in a fraction of a second while having assloads of health and his own healing ability.
bastion would be fixed if he fired 4x faster in turret mode
>>336934424
Yeah, summoning phantoms for every segment and boss trained a generation of warriors man.
>>336934467
tracer has literally never killed me as bastion
I have a 6 KD as bastion. He's OP as fuck. Only people who kill me are the charging shield guy with the brute hammer and that's only if I don't have proper support
>>336934379
>months and months of hard data from beta players who find him weak as fuck if you are actually good at the game
>lol everyone is just playing him wrong
bastion can be countered with D. Va (assuming her team is with her), Genji, Tracer, Road hog hook, Phara, and Junkrat.
The only OP thing about him is the range of his mini gun.
>>336934361
Game is colorful, has a single player and co-op campaign, and has a very balance multiplayer with it's cast of 25 unique and fun characters. Plus the DLC will add on even more challenges and maps into the mix.
>>336934587
>t. 3 games played shitter
>>336933494
I'm pretty sure all the issues of bastion being too strong have mostly to do with map design
>bastion is over powered
>>336934659
81 actually mate.
Git gud is all I can say pal
>>336934613
Pretty sure that anon may have beenjoking
Surprising, I know!
>>336934526
summoning increases the difficulty
>>336934510
Yeah, it's kinda bullshit it takes more than half a second to mow through 500 points of health.
I don't understand how that's supposed to viable in high level play, especially when high level players always seem to exclusively play the characters capable of countering him.
>>336932432
>how to tell a player is bad
Step 1: Ask, is McCree overpowered?
If still unsure, ask: Can Mei counter Tracer?
>>336934208
simply incorrect
>>336934164
Not fun gameplay.
>>336934212
Allow sentry to overheat
Lower rate of fire by 1/3rd
Allow limited movement during repair, maybe 1/3rd speed
Boost recon RoF by 2
Increase ammo count by 5
Maybe small movement speed bost in Recon too but i'm not sure on that one. These are just simple numbers that might not totally fix it but push it in the right direction.
>>336934716
what part of their post was a joke?
??
>>336934587
Then you never came across any good players. When I'm bastion I get fucked by tracer all the time. Then when Im tracer I make sure to get my ult stuck on bastion then dip the fuck out
Sort of the same shitty limbo Pyro exists in
>Pub scrub newbies think he's super broken WM1 cheese
>High level players think he's shit because he gets kited by everything and everyone does his job better
>Character ends up stuck in balance limbo where neither party are happy
>>336934731
area denial is generally the shittiest tactic in any game where mobility is an option
>tfw you're mad that the dev team is both right and better at the game than you
Just exercise your radical freedom, desu.
You see this same situation a lot with the spy in tf2 as well. A decent spy is a nightmare for pub shitters, but in competitive (>competitive tf2) the class very quickly becomes useless
>>336934409
"the game has a meta? what imbalanced garbage"
>>336932432
You guys have been playing for a few days, you don't know shit about balance.
Go play LoL for a few days, and then give your opinion on balance. Now compare it to the opinion of people actually good at the game.
They will be wildly different.
The beta duration is too short to get a proper idea on balance.
>non bastion scrubs will never know that feel of 5+ KD
lol
keep telling yourself he's a character for noobs. Keep telling yourself your hipster character is better. :^)
>>336932432
>Ignoring retards who instantly cry instead of trying to work out how to stop dying
Guess they did something right for once
>>336934752
I found your post funny, thank you.
>>336934587
you probably have been playing with people who are shit at videogames lmao
>>336933807
People complained about level-3s in TF2 when it launched just as much as people complain about Bastion now.
Bastion is significantly weaker because it is player controlled and can only see what is actually in his FOV. It is ridiculously easy to flank a Bastion and completely blow his ass open with a Reaper or Pharah. He's also super susceptible to shit that didn't even exist in TF2 like Roadhog hook and Hanzo ults because he's a fucking stationary player.
>>336934790
By all means, give us your counter argument on why Overwatch is better. This game is a hallow shell with three game types and is strictly multiplayer with imbalanced characters.
>>336932432
That's actually pretty normal for devs. Most people don't have a clue how balance. Taking the majority's advice at face value is guaranteed to fuck the balance up further
>>336932432
you actually thought you were in a beta and not a stress test? how fucking stupid are you though.
>>336935214
You're right. Overwatch should only have one game mode and that is KOTH. I don't know why the other two exist because they add nothing to the game. They really need to add neutral CP.
>>336934645
I'm not actually looking to spend money on a game but I do appreciate you telling me about it. Seems fairly well done.
>>336935020
>127 elimination
So, what, 10 games or so?
You'd still be around level 6 or 7, and still queuing into absolute beginners and complete shitters.
At that level you still have Tracers trying to snipe, Phara that stay on the ground the whole match, and McCrees that use the roll the moment they engage and waste the reload.
>>336935390
DAMAGE CONTROL WALKING INTO THE RING
>designing cheese heroes
>thinking blizzard has any shred of knowing good design
>>336935489
>naw mate I don't play against shitters
>posts proof he only plays against shitters
>wow damage control
>>336934587
How low is your IQ if you don't know who Reinhardt is?
>>336935020
>proving the OP right while acting like you proved him wrong
oh /v/
>>336933814
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Go away and stay away
>>336932903
Are you purposely being retarded?
>Bastion turns into a turret.
LOS Him.
>He moves.
LOS Him.
>He sets up in the open.
Snipe him.
THERE YOU WIN.
>>336934942
Isn't competitive TF2 like 6 players or something though? Spy was designed for 12 player teams where he could use the chaos to his advantage
>they want to nerf pharah
What the fuck?
Rockets are so slow and they deal good damage only with direct hit. And she is so easily countered by any sniper. And then there are certain maps where she is severly gimped due to low ceilings and shitty obstacles.
Leave her alone, she is totally fine as it is.
>>336933845
agreed. forum babies are just that. babies that instead of playing the game they cry and cry until they get their way.
>>336935020
>127 eliminations
Oh boy
>>336932432
I agree with the devs.
The average player doesn't know shit and will bitch and moan about something being overpowered just because he sucks.
It's the same shit in Dota. One character that can easily be countered with an item and some competence is considered to be OP and is constantly banned or scoffed at by players for using. Then you realize they're just angry that they have to actually TRY and do something outside of the formula to try and win.
In what universe is McCree OP?
>>336935020
>Eliminations == Kills
>>336934895
It's been how many fucking years and is this still the case?
I thought airblast fixed part of the problem
>mfw you now realize that 99% of /v/ are absolute shitters that cry about bastion
But it's right. I barely see Bastion anymore in my games since I'm not a shitter.
The Bastions in my first games kept dying to shuriken men. And continued to. Because they had no idea how they died.
>>336936037
In the universe where he can instantly kill a tank in a fraction of a second by himself from any range.
I used to play DOTA2 fairly seriously.
Highly rated, fairly beast, I knew my shit.
I always found it hilarious that new players that had only been playing for a week called some hero overpowered and called for a nerf. They were literally always wrong, and the character in question would never show up in high level play.
This is what everyone is doing for Overwatch. You've been playing the game for less than a fucking week. You're all new to the game, and you all have no idea what is balanced because you only play with new players as a new player.
Rofl anyone complaint about bastion is total shit, he used to have a frontal shield when the beta came out. Imagine the butt hurt that he would cause if that was still around for the open beta babies. He's fine, git gud
This game made me realize how absolutely vital having limited ammo is for fun gameplay.
I feel like if you design a character that functions this way (Bastion/Toblerone) that you have simple fucked up and you need to start over
Everyone else in the cast does fine across all levels of play. Why are these exceptions acceptable? They aren't. Fuck off, scrap them, and try again.
It isn't excusable in a game that has that much talent behind it
Bastion is easy as fuck to kill. What's wrong with you?
Half of the team can counter him without any effort.
>>336932432
>people who think Bastion right now is OP
I wonder would you guys think he is balanced now, if you had played when he had his shield?
>>336936112
>I am standing right in front of a character with a flashbang and a revolver fan, why did I die? :(
I love how people complain about characters when they get mad as fuck about being killed by them a lot. I don't think anyone in history has ever reported a character to the devs are being OP because they played as them and were winning too easily, it's ALWAYS butthurt losers.
the real way to fix bastion is to allow him to teleport every 15 seconds to anywhere on the map when deployed, bastion would keep his deployed orientation every teleport
>>336932432
>pharah's damage is very, very high right now
In what fucking world? You need to land direct hits to do any reasonable sort of damage and her ult is way too weak considering it turns her into a pinata.
Also of course shitters would think bastion is OP, because he melts you if you aren't familiar with him. The real problem with bastion is that he always gets PoTG and it's always just the player in turret mode or tank mode holding left click, which is boring as fuck.
>>336936112
He can't kill a tank in a second at range. Reinhardt can survive his double fan. Roadhog can hookshot him- he's not gonna waste his roll. Bastion is off in corner camping a slow, immobile mccree
Get marginally proficient
>>336932432
>in a high skill match players will pick Bastion to easily and completely wipe the enemy team before going back to play another character
>this means he's actually not really that strong
Fuck you, he's boring to play, sure, but an absolute broken piece of shit and a crutch.
>>336934815
None of those changes would fix anything, you've slightly buffed his non-turret self but nerfed his turret self into the fucking ground. At that point why not just play widowmaker, at least she might kill someone before dying while standing still. You don't know shit and I'm glad you made this post so we can disregard your previous ones.
Reinhart shits over bastion, any sniper shits over bastion, Zenyatta shits over bastion
Pic related, it's OP
>>336934672
>mfw there is two Bastions in that fucking Japanese map at the first point
I looked all over that fucking map, there doesn't seem to be a alternative entry point other than a tiny window on the upper left side of that wall. Biggest chokepoint I've seen. I don't think Bastion's OP but I think a lot of maps give him a lot of areas to do really well in.
Everyone is really good with Genji but me.
I feel like Zarya doesn't do anywhere near as much damage as she should. Am I missing something?
>>336936846
>enemy team has three turreting bastions camping an objective
>roll widowmaker
>>336936906
>he hasn't seen two Bastions on Egypt with a support hiding behind them
That match gave me PTSD and a never ending hate for pub players.
>>336936710
ebin
>>336937087
shes a tank she isn't supposed to do a lot of damage.
>>336936671
Thanks for proving the blizzards point and signing your shitter certificate.
>>new players have an extremely difficult time with bastion
>he's so easily countered that people with more time invested in the game tend to be able to counter basiton with no problem
>people that just don't give a fuck about team composition
>my face actually had 3 Hanzos in the team because they all wanted to be a special snowflake
>>336937178
But Hanzo is shit.
>people not realizing 6 meis on defense on some maps is literally impossible
have fun never leaving spawn with all those ice walls
>>336934752
No, yes
Answered at random, what do I get
>>336937178
>people that treat this like esports
I'm playing who I want and I'll do fine
As someone who spent the last 4~ months playing closed beta I can assure you that Bastion is indeed totally fucking useless, Torb is only slightly more useful because he provides two targets instead of one. Right now he seems alright because everyone is new to the game and afraid of being shot at, once you learn it you realize the counter to bastion is literally just shoot him.\
No one in the closed beta used him because he was trash, no one ever used him in ranked, and he was only used for one hilarious joke game in a comp match. Why would you want them to nerf a hero that is already never used?
>>336937178
>Pick tracer because I barely play her
>Some other faggot does the same
>Now I gotta be Lucio again because WE NEED MORE DPS AMIRITE?
Bastion is pretty much the only charactor that ever dies to D. Vas ult.
>>336937384
>I'll do fine
Maybe if you want to play forever at Level 1-10 you scrub. The moment you get a fucked team compo because you are to retarded for teamplay you will get bodied by any competent player.
>>336937178
>attacking on payload
>this is your team
>>336932432
|- They know the game instead of trowing random shit around like Valve.
|- They are trying to make it viable in both sides (shitters and decent players)
|- Finally someone who undertand how fucking broken Phara is.
>is he a long-range sniper or is he a mid-range skirmisher
Oh yeah, I like how they are trying to differentiate the character. I was worried that they wil not change that in the game. Some classes feels like a rework version of other classes.
If they rework Junkrat, D.va, Zarnya, nerf Widowmaker and rework her Ult, change Raodhog a little bit, and focus on keeping the rest of character viable and feeling different, i'll consider buying it.
>>336932903
sounds like you have a bad case of GIT GUD KID
>>336937417
Another closed beta tester, now that's just not true. Even later on in the beta I could still get lucky on a payload map as a Bastion, when I hopped on top of the truck. Sure, there were a couple people who knew how to counter me, but most just ran towards me and got face full of lead.
It was only in the start when he couldn't turn all around he wasn't picked since getting behind him most of the times meant death for him.
>>336936403
Overpowered and badly designed then, overpowered and badly designed now
>>336937508
>I want to play this like esports
I'm well beyond 1-10
Still doing fine
Jesus m9 you should probably get good, you're that guy coming in screaming about comp and refusing to switch
>pick pudge 3.0
>hook for days
>realize it requires 0 effort because the hitbox is so bad and tickrate is worse
>can even follow people
wew
lad
>>336937793
No matter into what character I switch 3 Hanzos will always fuck up the game in favor of the opposite team.
Only Soldier 76 can afford that bullshit.
>>336937803
I got a POTG where I was hooked by a Roadhog through a wall.
>>336937365
That's worth experimenting.
You know what they really need to nerf? Reaper's edge. Give him a skin that makes him a happy-go-lucky guy with two boomsticks and change out his voice with some cheery Mr. Rodgers soundalike.
>>336932432
Because listening to your playerbase worked well for WoW, right?
Or works well for LoL balance, right?
>>336935020
You take a picture of your screen ? Are you my dad ? Can you please send it to me embedded in a .docx ?
>Play with 2 friends
>We are all closed beta players
>Join game and the other 3 people on our team insta lock stupid shit like genji, widowmaker, and bastion
>Essentially lose the game before it's even started
>If we pick proper heroes like tanks and supports we lose because no one is doing damage
>If we say fuck it and pick dps we lose because we are playing 3v6 with the enemy team having 3 ult batteries
I check their profiles and every time its nothing but mainers, none of them even touch supports and most never even touch tanks.
>>336937803
I got hooked through 2 walls around a corner once.
>Flying around the map healing people with my Swissfu
FUN
Yeah because forumdads are totally the people to listen to
Literally every time a dev makes balance changes based on mass feedback their game gets worse
Can we just stop trying to work things around people who don't know anything? People who don't know anything are always going to do bad. THEY DONT KNOW SHIT. THATS A FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENT OF LIFE. IF YOU DONT KNOW SHIT AND YOU SUCK YOU LOSE. AT EVERYTHING.
FUCK
Characters do tend to be op when you walk in front of their gun and let them shoot you
Fucking scrubs
>my face Lucios only counter is Tracer
How come so few people talk about how fucked Lucios healing is? You can easily fuck up Mercy and others but not Lucio.
>>336934083
listening to fan feedback also fixed Dialo 3.
it's a mixed bag
>>336937950
>Changing DIE DIE DIE to THIS IS MY BOOMSTICKI like it
>>336932432
fan feedback killed wow. It would be nice if they actually stuck to their guns for once.
>>336938232
>mfw lucio spinning around the chinese map point and buying time for his team
I don't have a issue with Bastion. I just get annoyed when a Bastion gets a play of the game when he literally just sat his ass down and killed like 3 people because they didn't realize he was there.
>>336938186
This.
>WAH MCCREE KILLS ME WHEN I LET HIM FLASHBANG AND FAN THE HAMMER WITHOUT MOVING WAHHH
>>336932432
Only solo queuers who don't have enough friends to get a premade 6 team ready, new players, or just bad players complain about Bastion and Torbjorn.I do think that since OW is going to be played by a lot of casuals, they should make some changes that wouldn't really affect the turrets at high level player but make it easier for the casuals
Don't people complain that Blizzard ruined WoW because they listened to the people who bitched about it? Why is it bad that they are leaving broken shit be and forcing people to git gud?
>>336938364
IMMA WINNER WINNER, GOT A HOT HAND
PLACE YOUR BET LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
Seriously, I play a better Lucio when I got the JSRF soundtrack playing.
Lucio and Zenyatta are the only fun supports
>People crying about Bastion
He's a fucking stationary gun. There are heroes that can attack from a far range and blow his ass out.
Also, that blue thing that sticks out of his back is a critical spot.
>>336938475
You can't make it any easier than it is now, you just shoot him, that's all you have to do.
The problem here is that people don't want to learn, when they die to Bastion they don't think about wow what did I do wrong, what could I have done differently, what can I do to kill him, what's the best route to take to avoid a potential bastion. No, no they go to the forums and post thread after thread whining that they died to Bastion while walking blindly through the gates on Hanamura.
Hey look its pyro all over again
>BAWWW W+M1 OP VALVE PLEASE NERF I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BACKPEDAL
>Why does Blizzard nerf everything and take away all the fun?
>Why is everything so homogenized, they should have left things the way they are
>NERF THESE HEROES THEY'RE TOO OP
Blizzdrones are the fucking worst.
Bastion is easy as shit,
>Hide behind a wall
>Peek out and shoot him
The guy does amazing damage but he's immobile.
I'm proper shit at the game but I little problem with him asWidowmaker.
>widowmaker charges a shot for about 1 second behind a corner
>peeks and shoots bastions
>repeat one more time
>bastions is dead
WEW HES FUCKING BROKEN. Even soldier 76 can kill him from long range with his heal, junkrat can lob pipes, reaper can teleport behind him, tracer can ult him and rewind, hanzo can do the same thing the widowmaker can, even lucio can shit on him.
Mei lewd skins fucking
W H E N ?
H
E
N
?
You can't balance for low level play. It's just not possible. Fuck em.
If you want to give a character 3 skillshots, you can't just make them all oneshot because bronze shitters can't land any of them. You design a character assuming decent play.
>>336934115
>turrent
>Competitive play
People don't honestly think this will be competitive/a popular esport do they?
Bastion can be countered yes, but he is the only class that you feel you need to swap class to actually defeat
>>336933845
>Gears of War 3 Beta Sawed-Off Shotgun
Overwhelming consensus: Overpowered
Was nerfed before the full release, and then again after that.STILL CONSIDERED OVERPOWERED BY MANY.
>>336940101
Anything can be competitive and an esport. Look at Smash Bros.
>>336932432
>Not allowed to be both
Well why the fuck not?
>>336939786
Sorry I meant Torrent
>>336934752
Yes.
Obviously. Mei is bae and can counter anyone she damn pleases.
>>336932432
Honestly the balance is pretty good IMO. I wouldn't change anything. Bastion is a fun challenge on the other team and against skilled players dies too easy.
>>336932432
thank fuck, one of the few smart things to come out of Blizz for a while
also if you really wanna nerf McREEE a bit then add some drop-off. i don't really see the problem though because "shooting good" is about all he does, he can't escape or jump or heal or shield, he has to duel you, so its okay he's good at it.
>Pharah's damage is very, very high
What the actual fuck? Pharah's only does good damage with direct hits, which are difficult to land outside of ambushes or if the opponent remembers there's this big button called the space key.
Pharah's rockets have insultingly small AoE and blast knockback. If the opponent is jumping, you'll be lucky to do 20 - 40 damage with one rocket. The blast is so weak that it's impossible to predict your next rocket shot, and air shots are non-existent.
>>336940770
I've been able to use his roll to escape a shitty situation a few times but you're right for the most part
>>336940234
Is there still people who play Gears 3? I've been tempted to hook up my 360 but I assume most people moved to Gears 1 Ultimate
>>336941002
>Can't get direct hits with rockets
You sound like a shitter.
Good. Giving a fuck about the retarded pubfags is what ruins every NRS game.
>>336941235
Last time I played Gears 3 was when I had no internet and wanted to do bot matches a few weeks ago so I couldn't tell you. Last time I played Gears UE it was dead as fuck, a few days before the Gears 4 beta started. Gears 4 beta was healthy as fuck so where did all the players go? Either 3 or UE.
>>336932432
>Blizzard isn't listening to fan feedback
Game might have a chance then.
>>336933347
This is from a very old patch. Mcree used to be a monster.
>>336932432
I agree with that post completely. If you disagree you're a scrub and TF2 babby
>>336941948
Yep.
Every time a developer listens to the community for balance changes, it turns to complete shit. Look at LoL
>>336932432
What devs should never,ever do:
Listen to fucking fans.
Thats a fact.
Did Michelangelo listen to his biggest fans?
No
Did Mozart listen to his biggest fans?
No
Did Miyamotot listen to his biggest fans ?
No
Did Sakurai listen to his fans?
No
And all of them , every sinle one of them never made a bad game because they didnt listen to fucks who think they know what they want.
Ford once said:
>If i listened to people i would have painted horses black
>>336933396
find me a quote on this one champ, because there isnt one
The only things that need to be nerfed is the aoe on McCrees flash bang and widows charge time
>pharahs damage is very very high right now
wat
This is old as fuck.
>>336932432
Literally just tp out.
>>336942262
this post was from over 6 months ago
>>336942095
Counter argument. Kojima should have listened to his fans.
>>336942262
theyre watching results and statistics from pubs in real time about heroes etc
if you cant do well in a match with phara youre a shitter
>>336942095
BF4
>Launch was shit
>DICE LA came up with Battlefield CTE
>Allows players to test out new content and give feed back
>battlefield 4 becomes one of the best online shooters after being one of the worst
There right though anyone who is not a total shitter can counter torb or bastion. I had a game where the enemy team picked 5 torbs and bastion on defense went junk rat with another guy and completely shut them down.
The people that complain about Bastion are probably the same people that play Mercy but do not ever EVER use the pistol, despite it being crazy good.
>>336932432
public school made everyone retarded and unable to think critically.
no one breaks games down into their fundamental parts.
so yea, of course everyone is completely wrong about balance. I really want to play this game so I can instantly figure out the instantly OP class which is probably the meditating ball guy because no one ever talks about him.
>>336932432
>no one is pointing out that that post is from half a year ago
> be roadhog
> grab turret
> turret dies
>>336932432
even if the git gud approach is right
if all your target audience lack hands, you should eat shit and nerf bastion
this is that activision does, making babby games, and they are rolling in dosh.
>Medic class is back
WE BF2 NOW NIGGAS
I can counter him everywhere except the last point on Hanamura when he has a Rein in front and is set up in the back left corner. Wtf do you do there?
The only OP characters in this game are lucio and tracer.
And maybe reinhardt, but i dont know. He's still an autoinclude in every competitive setup
>>336942095
>listen to 4 yelly kids
>CoD2 happen
>rolling in dosh
i mean, choose one: a good game or a selling game
>>336942669
>all the maps that are picked and played are the big 64 player maps with huge vertical buildings where snipers camp and take potshots or long drawn out straight hallway fight maps, all of which were and still are n the game
>best online shooters
a-mei-zing
>>336934361
then go fucking play it and decide for yourself while its free
>>336943214
This guy gets it.
I wouldnt call tracer OP with how fast dwarf turrets aim her tho.
>>336936112
counter-counter argument: He tried doing that with mgs4 and it ended up being full of horrible fan service.
>>336933965
are you fucking listening to yourself
if you give him a buff and a bigger "tool kit" he'll just be even more broken at lower levels
goddamn think before you post
>>336935730
is that not a cool meme anymore?
>>336932432
Honestly, if we're talking about making it "fair" to shitty players, you make Bastion louder and give him drop off damage in turret mode. And the louder bit could be taken care of if people just communicated. That's as far as I'd go though..
I've been wrecking Bastions at long and mid range with S76(Junkrat too). Fucking rockets take off near half their health and you can usually finish them off before they're mobile again. I could imagine it being the same with other Offensive classes.
>>336943324
You are just crying about what is popular to the fanbase, not the game itself
the CTE fixed balancing, major latency problems and helped shape new content for the community
>>336934752
Tracer is the hard counter to Mei though due to the blinking that works while being sprayed with freeze gun
>>336942095
>Molten Core still doesn't remove freeze
>>336944114
well a game isnt just the netcode, hit detection or weapon handling
im not saying its bad, but its sad that THAT is one of the best multiplayer shooters in a game and enjoyment sense
>>336932432
Did you actually read the response? Oh wait, the only way to start a thread on /v/ is by baiting so no.
>>336932950
McCree used to be incredibly broken and I agreed with the first nerf, nerf ing him again seems stupid. He already has a harder time surviving then alot of other heros and his damage falloff is at a good point.
Only things I think should be looked at is Pharah and Junkrat's damage, Windowmakers ult being team wide, at least make it only for her and have the player communicate, and Winston's tickle laser. I would also like some kind of turn speed nerf on Tjorborn's turret as it immediately locks on and fires.
>>336938281
Yeah but they fucking knew that auction house was a bad idea yet they did it anyway because of the greed outweighed common sense.
>>336932432
This was posted before bastion could 360 in turret forum and mccree had no falloff and m2 could headshot
>>336944670
Mcree is still way too good at pistol sniping and he's unmatched at mid to close range. The're right, they need to decide what the fuck to do with him
>OP in pubs but literally useless in 6v6
So he's basically the Engineer?
>>336934815
lol dude stop
>>336945148
He should excel at mid range. Leave sniping to snipers and keep that damage drop off. Mid range though, because of his lower survivability, he should be king and he is.
>>336932432
>I have no reading comprehension
>I'm a shitter that will never learn to get good
Bastion cry babies BTFO
>>336942947
...so 6 months later mccree is STILL both a mid range skirmisher AND a long range sniper and one of the best offense picks in the game?
Blizzard has over 20 years of experience dealing with fan bitching ruining perfectly good characters. Good on them.
>>336944527
deepest lore
>>336937991
I bet hes on console.
>>336937996
As soon as i see insta locks on characters like widow or genji i know im usually in for a bad time.
>>336938281
they took it out because it was costing more to run it than they were making. I cant believe people still think blizzard actually cares about its fans.
>>336932432
>pharah damage
>high
I shot the fucker bowman three time with a rocket and then he noticed me and instakilled me. Fuck you blizzard.
>>336938232
Because people are dying by proxy to Lucio. Hes normally not the one getting kills but hes a large part of it. People only see or see who actually killed them.
>>336945860
Well yes but at least he has damage fall off now. Back in the good old days with 50% (30% now) mercy damage boost he could do 210 damage headshots from across the map.
>>336932432
>McCree is a long-range sniper
What fucking game are they playing?
alt weapons when?
>>336937365
>Just finished playing a game on hollywood as reindhardt with 5 meis on defense.
It was hilariously adorable having all those meis throw down thier walls and then run behind my shield just to pelt the enemy with icicles and freeze anyone who decides to run past my shield.
>>336947496
It's an old transcript. McCree used to not have any damage fall-off the further his shots went. So you actually could snipe with McCree. They've since nerfed it. The changes have been in the game for months now.
OP essentially made bait out of that image. It's old.
>>336942095
>Did Miyamoto listen to his biggest fans ?
>No
And he has ruined Mario because of it, so good on him I guess?
>>336933814
Fucking this, Pharah's splash damage is shit so you have to be really good to not miss direct hits with rockets, if anyone should be nerfed it should be Widowmaker or Hanzo, they both can 2 shot most characters and have a very high rate of fire.
>>336934896
Problem with that is mobility isn't always an option in overwatch levels. Many have hard choke points that you cannot circumvent
>>336948558
>complaining about snipers having good damage output
>>336932432
>and then pharahs damage is very, very high right now
well fuck. im not playing this shit if she gets nerfed
