Well... is he right, /v/?
>>336922093
If you have to ask /v/, probably not.
>>336922093
Why is the movie reviewer that got fired talking about video games?
I simply don't understand why people would use Twitter for making posts like that. It's clearly utterly unsuitable for such a purpose, with the post divided to 8 parts and all.
>>336922093
>Literal who acts like his opinion matters on social media
Nobody is right here.
Nobody give a fuck, Chipman. Your comment served zero purpose, changed nothing and led to no debate. You're completely irrelevant.
>>336922093
>le "chip and dip" Robert the Vietnam veteran meme man
Ebin.
This is the same manchild who legitimately thought they timed an FPS release near election to stop dudebros from voting.
For a person that plays nothing but old mario games he has an unhealthy obsessions with any game that has guns in it.
>>336922495
Because it's the communication focal point of their lives, outside of tumblr and various direct messaging apps.
That's also why they see the idea of someone they don't like commenting on their posts as horrible and why they get so mad.
It's an intricate part of their being.
Why do people insist on using twitter to write their dissertation?
>>336923267
>What would Mario and Link THINK of us?
they're not real Bob
>>336922495
Because people are idiots who want there opinions to be spread out as far as possible whether or not it's the sites intended purpose.
I'm more triggered by the negro on the cover desu
>>336922093
His disdain for WW1 games boils down to simply "violence is bad and shouldn't be glorified", yet his favorite game which he so insanely idolises - Super Mario Bros. 3 - has you routinely stomping equally fictional beings' brains out for points. It's not even a fight for survival in the case of SMB3; most of these enemies can be avoided.
The problem with Bob is like any other 'progressive' idiot. They see something popular, apply some sort of shallow "moralistic" reasoning that vilifies the subject, and when confronted that their reasoning similarly vilifies entertainment they resoundingly enjoy, justify it with even MORE layers of illogical moralistic reasoning.
His saying fictional violence is problematic stems from his extremely unhealthy relationship with SMB3 - he cannot discern fiction from reality, which has fucked his whole life up. No wonder he wants to police it.
>>336922495
Bob Chipman is literally the only person I've seen do this. And it's fucking Bob Chipman.
>>336922093
>pixel art avatar
I don't who he is but I do know he's a faggot, this is the telltale sign of some video game stream/indie dev failure
>>336923267
>went toe to toe with Jack Thompson
You mean the guy that wanted to achieve the same ultimate goal as you, without being totally fucking insane about it?
>BrickByBrick.jpeg2000
>>336922093
Does he keep doing these juvenile philosophical ramblings in the hopes that some woman out there finds him deep and interesting?
Because its never going to happen.
>>336922093
I don't think that vomiting tld:r word salad is what twitter was designed to enable.
If he's saying that you shouldn't have an issue with BF1 solely because it's WW1 and not because war itself is generally pretty disagreeable, he's right, but just took a long time to actually say it. It's funny that twitter is supposed to encourage people to be more succinct but people write long rambling hard to read arguments on it anyway.
>>336922093
If one looks past the fact that he is an insufferable faggot and thinks about this stance there could be a lot to say, the difference between fiction and reality, how our brains interpret information and so on and so forth.
But right now my gut check is that he is an insufferable faggot.
>>336924314
gotta put that english degree to work
I honestly thought MovieBob died sometime last year
Huh.
>>336923737
Are you implying we are supposed to ignore the feelings and consequences of fictional characters?
>next Smash Bros should just be our heroes looking away in SHAME
I have a feeling this would only really affect him
>nooo Mario don't look at me like that I'm sorry I'll make them stop
>I'll never do drugs again raphael
>>336922093
This right here is why white men will ALWAYS be on the cover and/or be the protagonists in anything that involves any kind of slaughter.
These fucks don't give a shit about the war aspect. If they did they wouldn't have picked BF1 to throw a shitfit over. Their just like the people screeching nigger - all they care about is that there's a black dude on the cover who is being linked to something horrific.
>>336923267
>that pic
First you must see how Anita and Zoe define "harassment", and only then you can see how retarded movie blob really is. Once
>I disagree with your opinion
is considered "harassment", pretty much everything is.
>>336922093
If someone uses the word problematic to describe behavior, their opinion isn't worth considering.
>>336923267
If you check out his videos of back when he still was at the escapist he thought that in the Halo video games the fact that you, as soldiers in samey military outfits, were fighting against aliens of different colors and sizes was subliminal programming by the devs against diversity/gays/multiculturalism.
I shit you not.
This guy way off into the wilderness, you can't pull him back out of the darkness, he's gone.
>>336926689
>can't even find those videos
What the fug? Where did they go?
>>336926576
>>336923267
hey, at least he's anti gooblershitter
>>336926689
>that one video where he showed his living room full of plastic super mario shit and he was like "do you really think someone with giant plastic super mario statue in his living room doesn't know anything about video games?"
Reminder that this guy thought Other M was great and the Prime games were derivative of Halo.
>>336928003
Reminder that he also has a diaper and inflation fetish
>>336925273
I just THINK that Nathan Drake kills abunch of assholes who got hired to kill. I dont feel sorry killing them, like bringing that up is somehow going to make me feel bad. fuck em
>>336928343
Wait, what?
>>336927525
>gooblershitter
What is it about tumblr and unironically talking like a child?
>>336922093
He's rambling.
He's not really saying anything.
He's not really right, not really wrong.
Well top tweet, wrong.
>>336922093
> making "fun to play" games out of real wars has always been problematic and will always be problematic
Incorrect. Opinion discarded.
>>336927147
>What the fug? Where did they go?
I don't know but what i'm talking about is in that series of his called "the big picture", in which he explains to you how the world really worksinside his head.
>>336922093
But I do care more about symbolism than the actual 'issue' because there is no 'issue'; people have always glorified war and will continue to do so. It takes an immature sort to not be able to see the difference between entertainment and reality.
>>336922093
I have no idea what his point even is since it's chopped up into 8 parts
it reads like some guy who has trouble speaking and stutters/takes pauses between thoughts
>>336925273
I don't think people get sensitive about that Sterling.
It's not an odd piece of conversation to bring up collateral damage. Fate of endor after the death star was blown up, how many people died on it and so on.
Most likely you're just sensitive for continuously bringing up that Nathan kills people.
I mean, you say that people get sensitive when you bring that up, so that implies that you've done this a great a deal.
>>336922495
normal people use twitlonger, this guy is just retarded
>>336922093
He is right when he says 'Welcome to the entire history of fiction'. Everything else is just crybaby shit.
Most Americans don't know that we actually lost the Vietnam War. We went there, killed a bunch of slits and left. We accomplished nothing while destroying their country and sacrificing our own.
Same could be said with WW2, We are taught about how we won the war and not about how we joined late because of selfish reasons, that we provided minimal effort in the actual winning of the war and commited a war crime on par with Hitler by dropping a nuke on Japan as a knee jerk reaction for them trying to reclaim their land back that we originally stole from the.
American Media and Schools are set on indoctrinating the Youth and giving everyone a 'America Fuck Yeah!' mentality, but our country is as fucked as Germany 1935 was.
It's not our fault though, we are just a bunch of Rebel Brits.
He's wrong. I can't believe he said all media on military matters is problematic. I wonder what the military advisors and historians on these games think about that opinion? Or guys like Samuel Fuller, who actually fought in the WWII and then went on to make films about it and their personal experience? Bobs just a whiny piss ant upset that games like this are played by the dude bro audience that used to kick his ass all the time in high school.
>>336923267
Well he is a libfag from boston
They can't live within 5 miles of a shooting range, or else they'll get triggered into writing blog posts
>>336929534
I think most everyone in Anerica knows we lost Vietnam considering every movie about it makes it out to be an apocalyptic experience for all involved, although the specifics are certainly murky. But if you really think Nuking Japan was comparable to the Holocaust than you're the the one who needs to learn a little military history friend.
>>336922093
LITERALLY WHO?
So is he defending the decision to use WWI?
His argument flips over halfway.
>>336928948
>the big picture
Thanks, I was able to find it.
https://my.mixtape.moe/dffntt.mp4
>>336923267
>>336922093
>the guy who unironically believes Halo is Nazi propaganda despite having several black Spartans established in the canon since 2001
>>336929534
The fucking japs deserved every last rad of radiation after attacking a neutral nation
>>336922093
Who gives a shit about Bobby? Well, apparently you people give a shit
>>336929828
I'm not comparing the Holocaust and Hiroshima as actually things that happened, but more from a War Crime stance.
Britain, France and Russian all rejected our proposal to drop the bomb.
It was meant to be the last line of defense should the war ever get to a point where we are unable to win.
Germany was strong, but by the time we had entered the war they were already exhausted from fighting Russia. We were winning, there was no reason to drop a bomb anywhere.
America retaliating against Japan taking back Pearl Harbor is the same as someone bumping into you mildly so you decided to kill and rape their whole bloodline.
Not that I am sympathizing with Japan, they also did awful things during wartime, but Us Americans teach our kids that dropping the bomb was the best thing to do and that it was the reason we won the war. When actually the war was already won by the time the bomb dropped, America just wanted a little revenge.
>>336922093
Seems like an impossible task for him.
What's even the point of twitter if you're going to be posting entire articles regardless of the char limit?
Just open a fucking blog you stupid cunt.
>>336930281
kys
>>336922093
Jesus if there's one thing I hate more than Moviebob's pretentious intellectualism and contrarian liberal bullshit (he's like a fat obnoxious versionof Brian from Family Guy for fuck's sake), it's people who write fucking novels via multiple posts on Twitter. It's not at all what the platform is for, and he should use fucking Twitlonger or some shit.
Also. No he's not right. He's making the classic pretentious idiot mistake of using a word like problematic to describe something that he disagrees with, without explaining what "problems" said problematic thing actually causes. If you asked him to elaborate, he'd most likely flounder around for a second (again like Brian when he's called on his shit), and then pull something out of his ass about how the glorification/glamorization of war and violence is causing mass shootings.
tl;dr : Moviebob is a pompous jackass who is barely qualified to speak about video games as a whole, let alone shooter games like Battlefield that he's gone on record several times as being extremely biased against.
>>336930638
you clearly do not understand japanese mentality. fanatics cannot be dealt with normally.
>>336930638
It wasn't the best thing to do. It was the most efficient thing to do. Why bother searching the thousands and thousands of islands in the Pacific Theater for airbases or outposts and spend all our resources on an enemy focusing on attrition?
I'm not arguing it was a good thing to do, but what better way to cripple an island nation half the world away?
>>336930638
I dont think it was about revenge, it was more about keeping lenin from invading japan and intimidating the russians with nukes.
>>336923737
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
>>336922678
>led to no debate.
It led to a debate about what a stupid piece of shit he is.
>>336930970
woops, i meant stalin, not lenin
>>336922093
why does he...
i'm really glad that 95% of flailing dumbass e-celebs /v/ used to have daily threads about are now forgotten, i can't give examples because i forgot about them
Let this fat fuck be the next to fall into collective forgetfulness
>>336931180
...keep talking like this?
>>336931215
its more fun to make fun of him desu
>>336930638
The war wasn't won yet because the Japanese refused to surrender. That was the whole point of using the bomb, to force them to surrender. If they didn't then they would have had to commit a full scale invasion of the main island kill millions more than what the bombs did, not to mention the fact that America helped rebuild Japan after the war.
>>336931320
>not to mention the fact that America helped rebuild Japan after the war
And that is the reason Japan censors their porn.
>>336931320
except they were literally on the brink of surrender
>believing american propaganda
>>336931279
Twitter has a character limit on posts, so instead of making a blog and posting his rants where no one will see them, he splits it up into several tweets where /v/ will repost it everywhere.
>>336924158
>Jack Thompson
>not insane
Excuse me nigga what
>>336922093
Speaking as a former soldier who has actually seen war, it's totally fine to make entertainment out of it. Shit, it's what we did while were fucking there.
>it's a fat liberals who have never been in the military or touched a weapon in their lives pining over the horrors of war from their designer San Fransisco flat episode
>>336923737
Anybody got that cap of a dude who made a Mario account saying "It's-a me Mario, and I think-a you're a fucking faggot!"
>>336923935
If this isn't an incredibly disingenuous and strained attempt to beat someone with their own logic, you might genuinely be autistic.
>>336931620
>you have to participate in war to lament the horrors and hope they don't happen again
This is on par with "atheists don't have morals because morals come from god".
>>336930638
It was the best thing to do, you fucking hippie. Jap fighters were known to be extremely loyal and downright insane, and would have murdered us by the tens of thousands if we attempted a ground invasion. The only way was to show unprecedented force
>>336930970
This.
Dropping the Nukes served two purposes.
1. The casualties caused by an invasion of Japan (The only other way to stop the war) would have been much higher than just dropping the fucking bomb.
2. By dropping said bomb, it not only ended the war with Japan before the Soviets got there, but also showed the Soviets that we mean business.
Japan was going to be served a raw deal anyways, but if the Soviets had got there, it would have been another North Korea, but with the insane loyalty of WWII Japan. Instead, Japan is the most prosperous country in Asia.
I think the pros outweighed the cons in the long term.
>>336923267
>gaming future I fought for
That's some over self entitled bullshit.
>>336931945
>hope they dont happen again
how to spot a clueless retard
>moviebob will die in your lifetime
propagandizing media is always a disgusting thing imo. not a fan of how much military bait film and sentiments get eaten up by the general public in the US. Last year's American Sniper, Lone Survivor, The Division (though this was a failure I think) playing with 9/11 imagery to stir emotion, it's literally playing the notes that Americans respond to and most people don't even notice they're being played. It's very creepy to me.
>>336931476
So the reason why they decided to kamikaze one of our military bases half an ocean away, while they were getting ready to surrender, was.....?
>>336922093
Bob is a retard but you idiots do realize he's actually ripping on the people COMPLAINING that Battlefield 1 is set in WWI because it was "the bad war"- when those same people probably didn't care about WWII games and the like?
This is like the first reasonable opinion the fat asshole has had in like the last 2 years.
>>336931059
That's not really a debate.
So does movieblob still bitch about dudebros day in and day out?
>>336931808
>>336932316
>pearl harbor happened literally a day before we dropped the nukes
The Holocaust never happened.
>>336922093
just because this faggot has a belief that other people share doesnt make themo retarded sjw idiots for having that belief or negate it
>>336922093
Doesn't mario make entertainment out of animal abuse?
>>336932275
That's literally all entertainment. You just don't notice the strings being pulled when they're the strings you wanted pulled.
>>336931519
Jack Thompson's retarded but at least there's some sort of semblance and reason to his arguments.
Bob on the other hand has nothing.
>>336922093
I feel like I'm having a stroke.
What is he even trying to say?
>>336931945
I've never been to a war, that's something i keep in mind when having a opinion on it, that means i'm not going to act as if i'm speaking on behalf of war veterans when talking about it
Those twitter warriors don't have that sort of self-awareness
>>336932714
"Stop having fun"
>>336931476
I'm actually on your side of this "argument" but have you actually ever read up anything on the japan nukes subject you degenerate anime posting faggot?
>>336922093
I read this twice and can't figure out what point he's trying to make.
>real war isn't fun guys!
Yeah. No shit. And?
>>336922093
Even a broken ass clock is right twice a day.
>>336923267
>>Gaming future I fought for
>>My generation
>>toe-to-toe with Tipper, Lieberman and Jack Thompson
>>Triforce of Pettiness
>>Gym Badge for hate
>>"gamers"
>>Our heroes
>>We were supposed to be better than this
This guy is emblematic of the reason why I don't tell people I play video games as a hobby anymore.
Gamer "culture" has always been a special sort of retarded, but this is a man who is fighting, to the death, to remain in his childhood well into his forties.
Gaming is seriously the only facet of the entertainment industry where people can make a crusade out of nothing but loose tangents and hyperbole, achieve nothing and feel like they've done something.
>Bob Chipman
didn't bother actually reading but I'm gonna assume no.
>>336929534
>Same could be said with WW2, We are taught about how we won the war and not about how we joined late because of selfish reasons, that we provided minimal effort in the actual winning of the war and commited a war crime on par with Hitler by dropping a nuke on Japan as a knee jerk reaction for them trying to reclaim their land back that we originally stole from the.
The first sentence of that paragraph was fine, but you went progressively fuller retard as this second one went on.
We did win World War 2, and while we did join for selfish reasons, the isolationism that kept us out of the war up to that point was a good fucking idea.
I'm not sure how we could have provided minimal effort toward winning while simultaneously committing a gigantic war crime. It seems like it could only be one or the other. Designing, testing, and completing a nuclear bomb wasn't minimal effort. Neither was D-Day, Point Du Hoc, the Battle of the Bulge, Midway, Coral Sea, or Pelilu, just to name a few.
And dropping the bombs on Japan, while seemingly unsporting, saved more lives than it cost, because a land war in Japan would have cost the lives of millions of Japanese citizens and more of our fighting men than we'd lost at any other point in the war. Even if you wanted to call it a war crime, if my numbers are right I believe the bombs killed about 250,000 people whereas The Holocaust killed millions, so it's not nearly "on par".
>>336928343
You sure you aren't thinking about Dobson?
>>336932275
I refused to even see those shit movies. And you're completely right, I always tried to be optimistic with how smart the average person is, but they literally lap it up to the point where I can't even believe it. I'm not saying I'm some special snowflake, but jesus christ people have a little fucking awareness.
>>336932737
>going to act as if i'm speaking on behalf of war veterans when talking about it
So wait, who is?
>>336923267
>This is the same manchild who legitimately thought they timed an FPS release near election to stop dudebros from voting.
I don't keep up with COD but I thought I heard somewhere they always release them around veteran's day
>>336923935
He's a hypocrite and and a pop-intellectualist who buys into whatever's seen as intelligent and progressive. That's as much need be said about the guy.
>>336932363
It is if you care to argue about exactly how stupid/fat/crazy he is.
>>336932714
/v/ can't read.
Basically, he's actually ripping on the group of people who got mad about Battlefield 1 being set in World War 1- because World War 1 was generally a big fucking waste and before modern military tactics really formed so it was a brutal disgusting meat-grinder that saw mass use of shit like Mustard Gas and so on.
WWI is supposed to be the big war that represents how bad war is so people were mad that a WWI game was being made to "trivialize" it.
Bob is in fact, ripping on those people.
As I said, it's like the only halfway decent point the fat sack of shit had has in the last couple years but the internet is apparently illiterate.
>>336932794
Sorry but you're terminally retarded.
>>336931945
Except that that's 100% right. Morals have to come from some sort of higher power, otherwise, they have no value.
Morals that come from yourself mean nothing, because you're an imperfect human being. This creates the sort of "Everyone's right in their own special way" bullshit that ruins societies. Using this logic, anyone who has any moral code, even if it requires eating the flesh of children on a daily basis, is justified because "That's just his morals, and you can make your own morals". I guarantee you there are some people in this topic who believe their morals come from themselves, and one of them is wearing a fedora right now, fuming over my truth bomb I just dropped.
That's not to say that Morals that come from nature aren't as equally worthless. They are. How can you claim morals come from nature when we have scientific evidence of people who lack the mental functions needed to have morals? If morals come from nature, than naturally we will adapt the morals of the most successful people, via survival of the fittest, which by definition will be those who have no morals. Morals by nature means the death of morals.
The last, and most worthless potential source of morals is society. If your morals come from society, you have no accurate lens in which you can judge the morals of other society, so therefore you judge yours as moral simply because you live there. You'd have to be a moron to think that a person's geographical place of birth is a worthwhile determiner on what's right and wrong.
Of course, this doesn't change the fact that MORALS WERE HISTORICALLY A RELIGIOUS IDEA! Atheists have lives that are so empty and meaningless THEY LITERALLY HAVE TO STEAL CONCEPTS FROM RELIGION TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER!
>>336923267
>This is the same manchild who legitimately thought they timed an FPS release near election to stop dudebros from voting.
Also the dude who thought the main character of Doom is the gun, and not Doom Guy.
>>336922093
>>336923267
>making this concise a point on twitter
twitter is the fucking worst for this shit
its like listening to someone with a mental disorder that just suddenly stops talking for a second or two every couple of words
>>336922093
who the fuck is this and why should we even care what he says
>>336932663
Of course, but being "puppeteered" to feel intimacy, compassion or adventure and excitement and more innocent emotions is something less eerie than being puppeteered to feel nationalism and the cultivation of Us vs Them ideals.
>>336933214
>Morals have to come from some sort of higher power
Like society agreeing on what's cool and what isn't
>>336933214
Jesus what a load of pseudo-intellectual tripe. What makes you think you're better than these fuckos from twitter?
>>336930247
God I used to like this show before he let his politics seep into everything.
>>336932663
I mean, you forfeit yourself to art and "entertainment" and try to experience what is being offered to you but there is a definite feeling of being used by propagandized media like the news, Tom Clancy, war-time romanticism, American ideals and Western Superiority. It doesn't feel like you're actively participating in the escapism but you are being tricked into these feelings to be USED by other faculties of the US for their use.
>>336933214
not to sound even a tenth as retarded here, but can you gasp and clutch your cross necklace somewhere else
>>336933214
Morals from religions are equally as pointless for the same reasons you already mentioned. They also constantly change what they think is morally acceptable.
>>336930638
Man, you are fucking stupid. Stop sucking Oliver's dick.
>this one samefag defending blob
>>336933214
>Of course, this doesn't change the fact that MORALS WERE HISTORICALLY A RELIGIOUS IDEA!
That's ridiculous. It doesn't take a deity to know that stealing, murder, and generally fucking with other people, are wrong.
>>336933214
I think you mean religion was originally a moral idea.
>>336933214
>implying enlightened beings such as Dawkins aren't on par with deities, and they shouldn't be the ones dictating morals
>>336932714
> /v/ can't read.
>Basically, he's actually ripping on the group of people who got mad about Battlefield 1 being set in World War 1- because World War 1 was generally a big fucking waste and before modern military tactics really formed so it was a brutal disgusting meat-grinder that saw mass use of shit like Mustard Gas and so on.
Maybe I really can't read. Where exactly does he say that?
>>336933880
Christians always seem to take credit for all the good in the world, and blame its the bad on its absence.
Christianity is the biggest and most absurd echo chamber around, with people sticking fingers in ears and ignoring most everything around them so they can keep believing in the juvenile idea of an afterlife which rewards or punishes your actions.
Morality that is only won at the treat of eternal damnation is fairly flimsy, especially considering how silly the entire concept is in this age.
>>336933173
He kneecaps his own argument in the last tweet by accusing the industry of trivializing war himself.
>>"the ACTUAL issues of making pop-entertainment out of war"
He's basically saying "your outrage is stupid because you're focusing on the wrong thing, but my argument and outrage is more correct because I'm focusing on the concept as a whole, not just one aspect of that concept." He's making the same argument writ large.
>>336933214
>Except that that's 100% right. Morals have to come from some sort of higher power, otherwise, they have no value.
That doesn't mean there is a higher power.
>>336931945
Your analogy is fucking retarded and makes zero sense. Here's one that actually works:
You have no idea what war is like in the same way that you have no idea what sex is like. You can talk about it, but don't pretend like you have any actual authority or understanding on the matter until you've experienced it.
>>336929534
>We are taught about how we won the war and not about how we joined late because of selfish reasons
I think you meant to write "joined at the right time for the right reasons"
>>336934205
His argument is dumb but he's at least asking people who're mad about Battlefield 1 to be consistent about it.
>>336934097
Dawkins doesn't give a shit about morals.
>>336933214
Well written bait.
>>336922093
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>>336932921
Russia and the U.K won the second world war. Do not delude yourself.
>>336922093
I udes to like war FPS because they felt like an interactive documental. To this day, I still love Medal of Honor, because the missions were based on real campaigns. Bob here needs to calm the fuck down and stop being a little bitch.
What's next, bithcing about movies about real wars?
>>336922093
This guy.... is a fucking whiny, oververtly ignorant, and is a fucking moron. It's like he's either a socjus sock puppet with no ideas of his own or a person who needs start being a man, not some crybaby who needs a devs to play the pc police
War without consequences is fun.
Valhalla is a perfect example of how old this idea is.
>>336934635
Elaborate or fuck off.
![1410771778[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wURIGNw.jpg "1410771778[1].jpg")
What people don't understand about the "folly" of world war 1 isn't just the "horrors of war".
It's the political stupidity that generated it, and a warning about what happens when you let generals who only know how to fight a war make political decisions.
It was a completely unnecessary war.
Germany thought they had to win a total victory over France just because they were Russian allies. Which is stupid, France wouldn't waste thousands of lives trying to invade Germany just to support Russian expansionism in the Balkans.
>>336932947
No, it's Movieblob, too. You can find his old fiction and """"""""art""""""" on several sites still.
It's not a wrong observation that turning WW1 into a fun video game is a disgrace.
A disgrace that I can live with and won't really complain about, but a disgrace nonetheless.
>>336935058
Every war is unnecessary.
>>336935163
If he's right, it's for the wrong reasons.
>>336922093
I think he definitely thinks he knows what he is talking about. But a dweeb fuck who probably hasn't even been in the modern army let alone the olden day wars lecturing people about what war is. This guy should really just kill himself.
>>336922093
My father is a Vietnam vet and growing up whenever I came home from school, he was always playing the Vietnam DLC for bc2. If he doesn't give a shit, why would I?
>>336935494
>le false equivalency
Vietnam was a substantially different war, with substantially different ramifications.
Do you think that Vietnam significantly altered the course of human civilization as a whole? WW1 did.
>>336935327
You can't say something is unnecessary without saying what your goal is.
>war is unnecessary
Unnecessary for... what exactly?
Assuring your sovereignty? That might need you to go to war too.
Make a revolution? Good luck doing that without a war.
I think at his core he is right about this however what many people in the states probably don't grasp is just how much of a sore point WWI is in Europe, its become almost holy as a symbol of total war.
>>336934978
The United States didn't enter the war until Christmas 1941, and wasn't mobilizing vast forces to go to Europe or the Pacific theatre until the start of 1942. The U.S had cut off Japan's Oil supplies in the pacific, despite the fact they were perfectly content in selling them the oil all the way through the Jap-Nazi pact, invasion of Manchuria/Mainland China, etc..
Hitler and his senior advisers were obsessed with the Eastern Front. They felt the English and French would fall within 12 months, and that the true battle for Europe was against the Slavs. Hitler had much to say about the Slavs, and felt them to be Germany's rival on the European stage more than any other nation. There is plenty of written and oral evidence to indicate that Hitler really fucking hated Slavs, Russians in particular. This is reflected in the number of men sent to the Eastern Front in comparison to the Western front. There is no Historian today, who has done even a broad study into troop movements and strength allocation during the war, that disagrees with the following statement: Russia lost 15 million servicemen and at least that many, if not more, in civilian casualties. Germany lost over 2.9 million, or roughly 60% of its fighting force. The most well equipped, hardest German veterans were sent to the Eastern Front, while auxillary/mixed divisions consisting of German Allied states baby sat the Western Front.
Were it not for the United Kingdom's continued resistance against the Germans, there would have been no Europe to save in the first place. The failed bombings on London and the utter failure to enact Operation Sea Lion meant that Hitler would be forever tied up in a Western Front that he had already decided was a conflict not worth fighting, as he had to focus all his efforts on Russia after 1941. Without the U.K as a base of operations, no reclamation of Western Europe would have been possible even if U.S.A had intervened earlier.
Just read some books my man.
>>336935696
Well then for given values of necessity, WWI was entirely necessary as well.
>>336935494
If your father was a WW1 vet, he would be thrown into a nervous breakdown just from seeing a military uniform, let alone a videogame recreating the events.
>>336934283
I didn't make an argument for one either.
I just said there needs to be one for one to be justified in having morals. Atheists need to get over morals. Not only are morals incompatible with atheism, they're also somewhat unnecessary.
In an atheistic viewpoint, satisfying ones own needs should be of the most importance. Naturally, social interaction is a human need, therefore being nice to other people is a valuable trait.
Done. It's not morals. It's just convenient.
>>336935831
It wasn't.
It was a local conflict that was escalated because of political and strategic stupidity.
There was no defined political goal that supported a war on this scale.
>>336936006
>implying Germany wasn't just itching for an excuse to dominate as much of Europe as it could
WW1 was inevitable. If it wasn't the Archduke getting shot, it would have been something else. The Germans ruin everything.
![794[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/x4TBI9I.png "794[1].png")
>>336935834
A WW1 vet probably wouldn't find it fun or interesting but there's no fucking way that would apply to most of them.
>>336936165
Nothing is inevitable.
This type of rationale is the same one used by dumb Cold War generals who said nuclear war was inevitable so they should strike first.
>>336935834
Do you speak for experience or having a relative who fought in ww1, or are being a armchair general expert?
>>336935834
>If your father was a WW1 vet, he would be thrown into a nervous breakdown just from seeing a military uniform
Do you actually believe this? If that were true it'd be pretty hard for vets to get together in uniform like they do every year.
>>336933214
Didn't Socrates debunk your shit ages ago, Euthyphro?
>>336932921
Secondly, there NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN A LAND INVASION OF JAPAN. The only stipulation to the Japanese surrender and withdrawal of all forces from occupied territory was that the Emperor not be charged for war crimes, or touched in any way. The Emperor of Japan had been held hostage by an old school Military Junta which had hijacked and strong-armed the entire nation's economy, and therefore all of its policies. This was the least they could do, and fall on their own swords for their fuck ups, instead of letting the U.S.A fuck about with their national treasure and put him on a show trial as they were preparing for in Europe.
The U.S.A declined. It had nothing to do with a land invasion of Japan. The U.S dropped those atomic bombs to demonstrate to Russia, who had just declared war on Japan and was amassing an armada in the Pacific Ocean, that the United States had the Bomb, and they knew how to use it.
The President was dead set on nuking Tokyo and Osaka- each only about 100km apart from each other. He had to be convinced to drop them on large civilian and economic infrastructure targets outside of that area, but according to aides and the secretary of state at the time, Truman wanted to vaporize Japan permanently and leave nothing for Russia to invade worth having. In the end, the Emperor was never touched or charged with War Crimes anyways, so the dropping of the atomic bombs was for entirely selfish political purposes on the part of the U.S Government.
>>336936202
You clearly don't know what you're talking about, and your faggy smug /co/ macros won't convince me otherwise.
The mental destruction of WW1 was worse than any other well recorded war. It marked the first widespread use of industrialized weaponry, and the soldiers were thrown right into it without any sort of real preparation. It's true that the people who were rendered into mentally crippled states due to their PTSD didn't make up the majority of veterans, but it certainly was a hell of a lot more than any other war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWHbF5jGJY0
>>336930779
shut up weeb, your waifu wouldn't exist if they didn't nuked to shit
>>336936314
>utilizing well known historical observation is being an "armchair expert"
Not an argument.
>>336936652
>didn't make up the majority of veterans
That's what i said faggot.
Just post some of his Mario inspired drivel that literally SEEPS autism goop all over and then try to give a shit about anything he has to say ever.
>>336936778
Cool. And?
>>336936757
>my opinion is well known historical observation
Thanks for confirming you were just an armchair wannabe general then
>Not an argument.
Indeed, your post wasn't an argument
>>336935494
Nobody cares about your anecdotal example, fag.
>>336936914
You said literally nothing that contests what i said.
You just pretended to disagree.
>it's a some retard types an essay on fucking twitter of all places episode
>it's a some retard posts a screen cap on /v/ episode
>it's a shit thread we've all seen a million times episode
>problematic
stopped reading there
BFone will be shit though
>>336922093
At least he is not Tom Preston.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fphtNeHKwGo
>>336937115
>no one cares about what an actual war veteran thinks, my opinion is the correct one
Go back to writing essays on twitter you fat fuck
>>336937062
I don't know why you're acting so smug. It is indeed well known from a historical standpoint what the conditions of WW1 did to soldiers who fought in the war, both mentally and physically. I'm sure that most of the people who have studied this information and put it into textbooks didn't fight in WW1 either, does that makes them armchair experts as well?
Your only dog in this fight is being intentionally ignorant. Do you not believe that JFK was assassinated either? That's the level you're operating at.
>>336936502
If Japan never attacked the US, the US would have never joined the war which means Nazi Germany would have taken the entire of western europe, dominated britain, etc. Japan would have thoroughly removed Korea and China from the map and dominated the far east
Russia would have stayed content until Hitler invades the USSR
>>336937475
Do you even know what anecdotal means you retard?
>>336925273
>Drake is bad for not letting the people trying to kill him succeed
>>336932840
I don't tell people because it won't go anywhere from there, so I just make fun of the people who go full-kit wanker like Blob did, and the people who get anally assaulted whenever somebody calls themselves a gamer
>>336937663
>if something happened on a personal level to someone and their experience isn't recorded on a peer reviewed paper, it's invalid and never happened!
Dumbass
>>336922093
I don't want to agree with Bob here, but making entertainment out of wars/genocides/killings always struck me as a bit tasteless. It's one thing if you want to tell a story with insight and a purpose, but videogames are the last medium that would even try that
>>336937836
>if 1 (one) person out of a pool of literal millions has this opinion on this topic, we should all agree with him and everyone who disagrees is a faggot
This is unironically what you are saying.
Again, you're a retard.
>>336935327
yes, we should just roll over and let the enemy invade and conquer our land without resistance. super progressive!
>>336935765
I'm sorry, I'm not the guy you're talking with, but you just said a lot of shit but wound up not really strongly presenting a good argument.
Maybe try that again?
>people defending Bob
I never thought this board could get worse
>>336933214
>Morals have to come from some sort of higher power, otherwise, they have no value.
>336938180
>If some evidence contradicts what i think, i'll spout "Anecdotal evidence!" and close my eyes and pretend it's invalid and that opinion is "1 in 1 million"
>y-you are a retard!
You're not even worth giving a (You) to, i had to remove the >
>>336938332
Russia spent more man power than the U.S did. It fought against a larger, better equipped, and more well trained force than the combined forces of the U.S, Commonwealth, and French forces did. It inflicted more casualties on the German army than the combined forces of the Allied Forces did. If the U.K hadn't continued to wage war against Germany, and repelling its assaults, there would have been no Europe to save in the first place. The U.K did far more to contribute to the over-all war effort on the Western Front than the U.S did. Russia contributed far more than the U.K and the U.S put together. To claim that the U.S 'won' the second World War is false for precisely the reasons and stats previously mentioned.
I think that, in context, the point is easily deduced from what I was saying in the character limit. I think you should read some more books, too.
So his fat ass is butthurt that people it's retarded to CoD the fuck out of WW1 because they treat it differently than other wars?
News flash, WW1 was bleak as fuck and it was a fucking stupid war, countries all over Europe got dragged into fighting each other over retarded ally agreements and one guy gets shot. Then thousands of young men in Europe spend four years in trenches, watching people die and wondering if they are going to make it home.
This isn't WW2 where people felt united in fighting a common enemy that invaded countries and had to be stopped, yeah WW2 wasn't completely pretty but there was a sense of honor and valor that could be felt with every step made marching towards the Axis powers instead of men confused as to why they fight
>>336930779
But it's true.
Japan was out of control during WW2.
>>336937871
Reasonable post.
To get back on topic, Bob is a fag.
>>336938291
That means someone has already gone to war, retard.
>>336938927
>I think you should read some more books, too.
Nah, I'm not really interested in history. Most of it is boring useless shit that people use to bring up really shallow and pointless arguments online anyways. It doesn't contribute to society in the slightest, and anything that isn't current isn't relevant anyways.
Have fun reading though.Also your argument still isn't particularly strong. All you're doing is listing your personal thoughts without a contrast of what the USA was doing in general. Just FYI.
>>336931870
Thanks for your contribution. Have a (You).
>>336939276
What do you mean they were out of control?
>>336939432
You can be Belgian and just lie on your back while Germany goes through your country,yet again, to fuck France.
Im so TRIGGERED that people or THINGS die in any game ever! Like come on! You cant do that! thats so offensive and insensitive! fuck that mario bitchass nigga for killing those INNOCENT mushrooms and making it a "fun" sport. What about those turtle bastard? they be dead too!
#turtleniggalivesmatter
>>336922093
My dad's been in war, and the motherfucker's favorite games are war games and GTA.
>>336940061
Don't be salty because liberals are faggots.
>>336938338
People appear to be defending Bob's argument and arguing history. Nobody is disagreeing that Bob himself is a fucking bandwagoning SJW muppet.
>>336922495
This.
>>336939694
Ah, the shit poster reveals himself.
4/10, but you could have strung me along a bit further.
>>336940254
Still not vidya.
>>336940681
Hey, whatever you have to tell yourself to validate all that time you wasted learning about dead people.
>>336940094
well your dad needs to shut the fuck and let the millennials talk over him
>>336940836
>Uhh I don't get what you're saying
>Oh, huh, that's stupid and boring
>Heh, you're dumb. Lol dead people amirite?
You need to be 18 or older to post on even blue boards.
>>336922093
No, he is a retarded faggot
>>336930638
>There was no reason to drop the most powerful weapon ever built, twice, on a nation that worshiped their emperor as a flawless god.
Hella sick opinions.
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>>336929534
We didn't lose Vietnam you fucking imbecile. We fucking signed on as the victor of the war in the Paris Peace Accords of 1973.
Seriously, people who say we lost that war are the psuedo-intellectuals that think they know better than the "plebs". The same caliber of people as Bob Chipman or Noam Chomsky.
>>336813318
ITT: people pretend to have relatives/ have fought in/ or have multiple degrees in subjects pertaining to WW1
>>336941750
>We didn't lose Vietnam you fucking imbecile
we lost Vietnam the same way we lost the war on Iraq
>>336941927
>Wibbly wobbly jelly
Okay that one got me
>>336933039
>I'm not saying I'm some special snowflake
Which is a shame, because that's exactly what your post is doing.
>a little fucking awareness.
/v/ is just bitter that Moviebob correctly called the election and Hillary will be president.
#ImWithHer
>>336941927
>Wibbly wobbly jelly
>Christ what school did you go to? Mine was law, was yours clown?
>>336941927
>Christ what school did you go to? Mine was law, was yours clown?
>>336942090
We didn't lose either. They're disastrous wars for us that we should've never fought, but that's most wars. Wars are almost never clean cut and easy, they cost things.
America and Rome are the only 2 civilizations that've managed to make a clean profit from war, and even we are unable to do it 100% of the time. For every quick and easy Spanish, Mexican, and Gulf war, we have 1 Indian, Vietnam, and Iraq war.
Problematic for who exactly? Does he think there are still WW1 vets sitting in the gutters talking about how they had trenchfoot?
>>336942563
Problematic because when kids play "war" games, people can no longer use WW1 as an example of how bad war is because the kid will just think of the 16+game their parents let them play
>>336922093
8 posts to say literally nothing, bravo
>>336937650
Fucking amerishits always ruining the better future.
ok, so point:
"making games from war is problematic"
and a quick definition
Problematic - constituting or presenting a problem
And a "problem"? Well, a problem can be many things, depending on context. So this isn't a scientific thing, right or wrong, just one (sad) man's opinion.
so anyway lets get some substance to back that up
more opinions
blah blah
something about it being "better/worse" being WW1 compared to 'Nam, actually not sure what the poster is even trying to say
blah blah
oh here we are, finally some reasoning
"its dumb"
conclusion "i think its a problem because its dumb"
boy, i could fit that into a single tweet!
i was going to make some dank counter points buts there's really nothing here to dicuss.
... great. thanks for sharing.
>>336941927
D-Don't reply to me while I talk shit behind your back!
>>336941927
Goddammit sometimes TB is gold.
>>336942265
i believe 100% he was one of the idiots clamoring that trump was a joke candidate
>>336941927
>Christ what school did you go to? Mine was law, was yours clown?
Fucking priceless.
>>336941927
>I wonder what it would be like to be so far up ones arse than insulting almost 2 million people would seem like a great and noble idea
Is he talking about himself there?
>>336936652
Gotta post the one with Lustmord playing.
>>336942265
I wonder who's he gonna blame when she won't get shit for votes. Illuminati? Release of tetris on xbone?
>>336943790
Berniebros will get blamed
>>336943738
Go away reddit. Stop being mad that he doesn't like you
Friendly reminder that every single last person who fought in the trenches is dead. There is not a single living person, Tommy or Bosche, that fought in the trenches.
And as a person who actually fucking lives in England and does the 2min silence without fail every 11/11, the only thing about BF1 that pisses me off is how it pisses on historical accuracy. But if Red Orchestra 2 can exist, so can BF1.
Anyone here actually use twitter? I think it'd be cool but I can't get over the fact that literally noone would see or care about anything I wrote.
why do people still pay attention to Corrupt s j w dickheads?
ok, where here has an neofag account?
>>336946419
I use it to get my fix of hentai and sometimes news
That's it, really. You don't 'have' to tweet anything if you don't feel like it.
>>336927525
>Making fun of a crippled, handicapped guy
Why are people like you such low, pathetic scum?
>>336930281
>Neutral country
>Sending supplies to help because the US was too chickenshit to do anything
>Only bombed Japan to try out the Nuclear weapon and demonstrate its power for other superpowers like Soviet
>>336946419
I use it for work and news updates, but not much more. It's really one of those things that are excellent in theory and absolute shit in practical application through the public.
>>336943323
>AngryJoe
>JimSterling
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Could you have picked two people who have less relevancy/respect in the videogames industry?
That's surreal.
>>336922093
Is he ever?
>>336939710
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
>>336932568
Go back to padg you idiot. The military of japan was more nationalistic than fucking 40k
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout
> those likes and retweets
Why do I constantly hear about a person on here who seems so irrelevant
>>336949329
>10 times more people have seen it in this thread than his twitter account
>v is doing to these people exactly what the media is doing to Trump
>>336930247
That guy is reaching hard to try to find something to make an issue out of
How could he have written that video and thought to himself that it is a normal train of thought?
>tfw you voted for Moviebob in that ScrewAttack contest
