The Trespasser DLC for Dragon Age Inquisition saw a return to more traditional gritty and complex Bioware writing, and nobody noticed it at all.
Its like you don't want old Bioware back.
>>336910984
Old Bioware has been dead for over a decade
They put Khaleesi in the game?
>>336910984
Bioware has never had complex writing
>>336910984
>old Bioware
>gritty
I take it you've never actually played Baldur's Gate.
bioware needs to die
The Dragon Age series is one pf the most boring fantasy series ever created.Bioware is capable of good writing, but it ain't here in grimdark McTropeLand
>>336911261
Gritty-er at any rate. Not grimdark or anything, but also not Avengers Assemble-tier plot.
I didn't buy CISquisition, let alone any of its DLC
>>336911450
They are not capable of good writing because anyone that had talent has already left the company.
After the abomination that was DA2, and Inquisition making the final boss the guy from a DA2 DLC, it's no wonder most people stopped giving a fuck about what they release.
>>336910984
sugoi clipping, senpai
To notice any quality it would've required me to have actually played more than two hours and bought DLC for the game I didn't enjoy. So of course I didn't notice, the main game itself wasn't good enough to justify getting to "good" content.
Either way, there is no getting old Bioware back. Most of the people are gone and the husk that's left is run by EA with a pandering focus over actually good content/stories. There's no Bioware to get back, it's dead.
I didn't even give it a shot because the base game was so fucking awful I wanted nothing to do with anything related to it
>>336912265
Here's the plot, spoilers obviously.
>>336912219
You can mod the hair, Inquisition got very few good mods, but better hair was one of them.
I think it came about after the big deal about nVidia Hairworks in TW3 and the rivalry between the fanbases.
The obvious joke being that the Hairworks in TW3 isn't worth turning on.
>>336911450
except DA:O it was the best rpg of all times.
>>336910984
we noticed, it was awesome.
The only people who didnt are /v/ cucks who are so blinded by biohate they still believe the TORTANIC meme
Some posts in this thread should be a bannable offense.
>>336910984
>retcon upon retcon chased by retcon
>classic bioware writing
sounds about right
>>336910984
>>336911774
>all these hot girls you could make with the character creator
>every single female in the game except Morrigan looked like a man, a dyke, or a gypsy
Fucking Bioware.
>>336911450
The sad thing is that DA:O was actually good. It was basically high fantasy Game of Thrones (they pretty much said it was inspired from Song of Ice and Fire). Then instead of continuing in that direction they turned it into SJW WoW.
>>336912636
>all these hot girls you could make with the character creator
>all the femalses I create look like a cross between Shrek and Vladimir Putin
Even if trespasser was good I would have to drudge through the abysmal main story to go there
DAI was literally a 3/10. I couldn't force myself to complete it.
![dai_character_tarot_cards_blackwall[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/lo7grzL.jpg "dai_character_tarot_cards_blackwall[1].png")
>>336912514
You mean the ones dismissing a video game based on political orientation?
I don't care, I'm flexible enough to play as whoever or whatever, and have a good time immersing in the story, but some people lack that ability.
They need the game tailored to their preferred social label in order to enjoy it. This goes both ways on the typical left-right spectrum.
>>336912814
>high fantasy Game of Thrones
Sure, but with 1% of the politicking.
>>336912398
>Here's the plot, spoilers obviously.
Christ, if this plot (take away the Qunari invasion portion) was in the main game it probably would've been way better. It explains Solas' issues and sets up a WAY more compelling villain that you can see their motivation. One of the issues I had with the base game was that Corypheus was incredibly generic and evil for evil's sake.
I'll admit that's an improvement (at least from a boiled down summary) over their typical stuff. Still, I feel like the DLC in their games do this all the time. Awakening was often better than DA:O, The Shadow Broker thing was better than parts of ME2, and this seems better than Inquisition. It is seemingly better, but I really don't care to buy games that only have good DLC and a passable, often boring, main game.
>>336912814
DA:O has the worst writing of the DA games though, but the gameplay was a bit better.
>>336910984
Are you aware you are saying this on /v/, a board of 4chan, yes? You will find only hate and "Bioware always sucks" memes here, some coming from the same people who played it (and probably liked it as a guilty pleasure).
Trespasser was great and it was clearly not written and directed by Gaider. It felt like old good Bioware because Weekes and the other decent fellows in the team wrote it.
Remember, Bioware got the reputation it has now not only because of Mass Effect 3 (which was also EA's fault, just like DA2), but also because of Gaider. That's why he had to leave, he didn't get along with anyone anymore.
If you're not a feminist, you're a bigot
>>336910984
Trying to polish a piece of shit will only lead to a slightly more cleaner looking pile of shit.
>>336912636
Bioware character creators are maddening. You spend an hour making something that looks somewhat passable under the limited lighting and camera choices (wasn't Inquisition's scene in a fucking cave?), then the first cutscene starts and you're an ungodly creature with the badly placed facial muscles warping the face into unnatural expressions.
>>336912668
*smacks*
>>336910984
Do I have to own Inquisition?
Yes? There's your problem.
>>336913013
we are talking about dragon age not dark souls
>>336913019
Inquisition's scene was in the fucking FADE.
Looks completely different in normal lighting.
>>336912982
i'm still mad they murdered golden city as dao concept and made it generic magic city
>>336912981
>DA:O has the worst writing of the DA games though
So you completely forgot about the "champion" of Kirkwall being an errand boy whose choices meant fuck-all because everyone was either an abomination mage or corrupted templar.
>>336912981
I would argue that this is true mostly because it's the exact same story BioWare told with KotOR, Jade Empire, and Baldur's Gate.
That being said, the gameplay was a million times better, and the story was still a good fantasy story, if a generic one.
![01bd2e48aad147d81f160886da2f7778[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Firngrp.jpg "01bd2e48aad147d81f160886da2f7778[1].jpg")
>>336912982
Gaider was with Bioware during the "golden days".
He isn't incapable, he just made the conscious decision to write in the way he does now rather than how he used to.
>>336913158
Not being the super hero character who automatically solves every problem and who the whole world revolves around is a good thing.
>>336913343
it's every bioware game though
>>336910984
It's more like very few people play DLCs to begin with.
>>336913101
Inquisition is a piece of shit game when it comes to the story and there is nothing than can be done about it. Even DA2 had a story that was miles above it even though DA2 was actually hit because it was made more into a hack-n-slash game.
>>336910984
Didn't even know it had DLC
Didn't even know people were still playing
Don't think I'll get it now that I do
Inquisition is a forgettable game and not worth suffering through again to get to new shit that's probably still pretty bad
>>336913158
You became the champion of Kirkwall AFTER these chores.
You were just a refugee while doing them.
>>336910984
>3 options at best to resolve situations
Thanks, Dialogue Wheel. And fuck off, marketer
>>336910984
It's almost like Mass Effect 3 was terrible, so i've not played a single Bioware game since then and refuse to give those lying SJW apologist fuckfaces a single second of my time.
>>336910984
>saw a return to more traditional gritty and complex Bioware writing,
surrrrreeee it did, shill.
>and nobody noticed it at all.
People didn't touch it because it was tied to Dragon Age Inquisition
I literally could just never find a drive to continue playing DA:I. I didn't even have problems completeing DA2 in the end but for some reason DA:I was a different story. The "open world" and MMO-lite quests were just too tedious to do. And having most cameos be delegated to the war table left a sour taste in my mouth.
>>336913683
This. They did the "open world" thing worse than any other developer has yet. It doesn't help that the combat is unplayably bad.
>>336910984
Keep trying.
![tumblr_inline_ni60vgBwXZ1s9sxcr[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/f6DkKSC.png "tumblr_inline_ni60vgBwXZ1s9sxcr[1].png")
>>336913532
>>336913629
>>336913619
>shill sjw marketer
Please don't. It does nothing to convince anyone to change their opinion one way or the other, and doesn't start any good discussion.
>>336910984
Still faping to the bull?
>>336913890
The game's absolutely shit.
> Shit writing
> Shit characters
> Shit gameplay
> Shit graphics
> Shit atmosphere
It has no redeeming qualities. The only reason to enjoy it is if you enjoy seeing progressive values and diversity in games. Thus its only value is as a product for SJWs
>>336911450
The DA has got great with Inquisition, though. Trespasser was the cherry on top.
>all that elven lore and elven history
>the truth about the elven pantheon, elven society, and the vallaslin
>the implications of Andraste and the Maker + Flemeth/Mythal
>Black City and the Old Gods probably connected to Arlathan
>dwarves and the Titans related to the origins of the Blight
>all those different cultures and people (Chasind, Avvar, Alamarri, origins of Ferelden and Orlais, origins of the Qunari, folklore and stories, The Chant of Light, poems and war songs)
If you actually pay attention to it, you'll see that the DA lore is getting quite beautiful and interesting.
>>336913890
>and doesn't start any good discussion.
you started the thread with Dragon Age Inquisition. There was going to be no good discussion to begin with.
>>336914013
Honestly, if you think the graphics are shit you probably like 1 game every few years.
>>336914013
>Shit graphics
This is false. DA:I actually has objectively better graphics than the Witcher 3.
>>336912398
>you can't help him as an Elf
It's shit.
>>336914171
I didn't say anything about Witcher 3, biofag.
>>336913683
Inquisition is just such a bore to play. Takes forever to level up, and over half your leveling points will be passive upgrades with boring "+50% damage" stats. The farmville board is terrible at giving supplies in comparison to just frolicking through fields to collect shit yourself. There's no reason to use strategy because combat is determined almost solely by your character level: if it's 1+ level higher than you you're probably going to die or take 5X the normal time to kill it.
And that's not even getting into the general green portals with the same handful of demons you'll be closing for 40+ hours because fuck original content.
>>336913890
Your game is already dead and forgotten. Go to read some shitty novels and comics about it.
>>336914210
Which is the best looking game recently according to you, if Inquisition looks like shit?
>>336914264
>Takes forever to level up
Holy fuck this. I'm pretty sure it doesn't take any longer than in 1 or 2, but it just feels like it takes hours to level from 4 to 5.
>>336914325
Dark Souls 3
>>336912981
>DA:O has the worst writing of the DA games though
1/10, made me reply
>>336913152
Actually it's 99% confirmed that the Golden City is Tainted Arlathan. They didn't abandon the concept, they broadened it and finally gave the players something to understand what it is and how it got there in the first place.
Inquisition gives the answer or offers hints to many questions and mysteries of the series and it's a good thing in this case: not everything has to stay "mysterious and uncanny" to be interesting (on the contrary, that's something that the ME team should have done with the Reapers).
>>336914325
Probably Persona 5, desu.
>>336912405
Underage detected.
>>336912814
DA was not a good game. it just felt like a good game because of the context of modern rpgs it was released in. It had shallow mechanics, a boring world, and uninteresting characters (beside a couple). But the fact that it was still the best rpg for years just goes to show how terrible the rpg genre was doing for that time period.
Either way, it was not a "good" game.
>>336910984
Because the gameplay is still garbage.
>>336911450
>Bioware
>Good writing
>>336914325
I mean Destiny looks pretty nice.
>>336910984
Because I loved the Dragon Age as a series depicting war between Darkspawns and Grey Wardens with a Church vs Mages subplot. Inquisition brought up the elven crap, which I vehemently disliked even in the first game, as the main plot from here on.
>>336913810
>Those rocks and plants you have to collect with that slow-as-fuck animation to craft anything of worth.
For fucks sake this isn't fun or immersive or interesting, it's filler to make the shitty maps look like they have more to do. Just give a "Collector" skill to your party members so they go out of the way to grab this shit, or even a simple icon you run across to collect things instantly like Xenoblade.
>>336914184
You can offer him your help if you have high approval or romanced him, but he refuses, saying you don't want to see your friends dead and be the very reason they are dead. If you romanced him, he says he can't do that to you and doesn't want you to see what he would become. Whatever he wants to do, it will be terrible and if you have been a good person, you don't really want to see your best friends die burning or going mad in a world that doesn't belong to them.
I mean, the Inquisitor, even if an elf, is still a hero and he/she should care - even a little - for their human/dwarven/Qunari companions at least.
>>336914887
I wish Bioware knew nobody gives a fuck about elves
>>336914325
AssCreed Unity
>>336915046
But muh under-privileged minority
>>336915046
>I wish Bioware knew my personal opinion which few people share,so they can base their whole franchise on it
>>336914887
>game copies Warhammer 40k
>expecting it to be good
Lel.
>>336911884
Good. You probably need money to buy food to keep them whale gainz.
>>336914887
>Inquisition brought up the elven crap, which I vehemently disliked even in the first game, as the main plot from here on.
>disliking the elven "crap"
>disliking one of the best parts of the games
I mean, everything originates from them and they are one of the few versions of elves that finally breaks the Tolkien model and are showed being different, capable of being evil and corrupted. I love the elven lore of the games, much better than the Grey Warden stuff (darkspawn is freaking related to the war between elves and dwarves, for crying out loud)
>>336910984
I wanna fuck that quanari.
>>336914535
>DA wasnt a good game it just felt like a good game but really it wasnt
>>336912814
>ever
jesus christ
projecting underage on a run
>>336912981
Consider suicide
It's almost as if you release a boring ass game people might not come back for the dlc
>>336912814
No it wasn't. DA:O was basically Fantasy 40k. I could explain this but even the most simple person could see the fucking copy and paste.
>>336911160
That's not her name normies get out REEEEEEEE
>>336915678
>i could explain my views, but i wont
>you still have to agree with me though!!
>>336915678
you must be a very simple person.
>>336911160
>khaleesi
>without a double-chin
Kek.
The main quests in Inquisition was interesting at least, but it was obvious the game relied on like three quest types to inflate player hours and the gameplay was fundamentally boring garbage from the start.
>>336915346
>(darkspawn is freaking related to the war between elves and dwarves, for crying out loud)
what? what war between elves and dwarves? Isn't darkspawn descendents of Tevinter Magisters who corrupted that city in the Fade
>>336910984
thank you for notifying me viral-san
Bioware was always shit when it comes to writing. I don't know how someone can play BG or KOTOR and think it has good writing.
>>336912398
God, why is Bioware so good at telling boring stories these days? I know I didn't play the original game, but fucking hell this is all just jargon. What's the fucking STORY here? What's the drama? What are people's hopes and dreams and how does the story fuck them up? THAT'S "gritty".
Not only would I have to buy inquisition, I'd have to buy dlc too?
No, fuck that
>>336915916
The ball was good, the assault on Haven was good, the assault on the Grey Warden keep was good.
The Fade was meh. There you go, the best parts of DA:I. All of the rest is shit.
>>336910984
>Its like you don't want old Bioware back.
Thats not possible considering 99.9% of old Bioware doesn't work there anymore. Its just a bunch of college grads wearing their skin like a suit, the actual guts and heart of bioware have all given up on it and moved on. "Bioware" today is just a fucking shell of its former self that pumps out shitty games under the banner of a formerly great dev studio.
But no, the guys that made the Bioware games I loved have nothing to do with the Bioware games that I hate, and I won't suddenly start pretending to enjoy new Bioware games just because they bought the name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zNOa8U-QSE
Just watch this to see how far the mighty have fallen
>>336916087
BG is great. Writing is no different from most 90s RPGs
>>336915678
What are you, retarded? DAO was Game of Thrones with the names changed. This was before GoT was a tv series, btw.
>>336916318
Right? I'll wait until they release the DLC as a single pack or in a GotY edition. I do that for every game with DLC since Shadow of Mordor came out. I was fucking livid when I found out the GotY edition with all of the DLC was only $20 on the PSN store.
>>336915159
The problem with their depiction as a race is that that's at the forefront
Which is just bioware in a nutshell
>>336915750
>>336915771
Okay fuckbuts.
>DA:O - Grey Wardens - Created to fight the Dark Spawn
>40k - Grey Knights - Created to fight Daemons
>DA:O - Grey Wardens - Created via drinking Daemon Blood which increases their abilities beyond normal warriors
>40k - Grey Knights - Created via rituals and intense psychic evaluation. Increases their abilities beyond normal Space Marines.
>DA:O - Darkspawn - Evil beings which regularly appear and wreck shit
>40k - Daemons - Evil beings which regularly appear and wreck shit
>DA:O - Enemies in Fade - Created in the Fade via emotions (Jealousy, Rage, Justice, Lust etc)
>40k - Daemons - Created in the Warp via emotions (Rage, Change, Lust, Despair etc)
>DA:O - The Fade - Another dimension sandwiched between life and death. It is possible to enter. If you do, you will be attacked by enemies
>40k - The Warp - Another dimension sandwiched between life and death. It is possible to enter. If you do, you will be attacked by enemies.
>DA:O - Mages - Able to draw from the power of the Fade to cast magic. Mages which lose control of their power can cause possession or even open up Fade Rifts, allowing entities to enter the material world.
>40k: - Pyskers - Able to draw power from the Warp to cast magic. Psykers which lose control of their power can cause possession or even open up Warp Rifts, allowing entities to enter the material world.
>DA:O - The Inquisition - Created to maintain order in the world between various institutions.
>40k - The Inquisition - Created to maintain order in the Imperium between various institutions.
>DA:O - Templars - Anti-Mage Fighters designed to tackle rogue Mages and bring them to justice.
>40k - Sisters of Silence - Anti-Mage Fighters, designed to tackle rogue Mages and bring them to justice/processing
Want me to go on?
>>336915046
I hate how every game nowadays has elf minorities. It's sad that tolkienesque elves in cities and forests feels less generic now.
>>336910984
>Cisquisition
>Complex writing
>Shilling for DLC
>>336915186
>which few people share
Yeah, the elf centric game is doing great
Everyone loves it
>>336910984
>Bioware
>gritty and complex
Nigga please. The RPGs of Bioware never were gritty and/or complex. I mean I loved Baldur's Gate and Dragon Age but it always felt like a sunday morning cartoon adventure. If you want a gritty and compley RPG play Final Fantasy Tactics which is actually better writen than anything Bioware ever did.
>>336916419
>They started off as doctors
>but gave it all up for a dream
>times were tough
>and times were great
>this is the fascinating story of a couple of med students that came together to form one of the most successful game companies on the planet
>this is the story, of Bioware
>>336916989
>Nigga please. The RPGs of Bioware never were gritty and/or complex. I mean I loved Baldur's Gate and Dragon Age but it always felt like a sunday morning cartoon adventure. If you want a gritty and compley RPG play Final Fantasy Tactics which is actually better writen than anything Bioware ever did.
>ITT nobody knows what gritty or complex means.
>>336916748
And when they try the tolkienesque elces, they feel forced and unoriginal because they're blatantly tolkienesque nature loving muh tradition elves.
There's a happy medium, bioware played to neither. There's no fucking subtlety.
>>336916687
>>336915771
>>336915750
>>336916453
Fuck it. I'll carry on!
>DA:O - Mages Treatment - Treated badly. Oppressed by those in charge. Resent their oppressors. Many attack them. Those who comply are locked up and controlled for every ones safety.
>40k - Pyskers Treatment - Treated badly. Oppressed by those in charge. Resent their oppressors. Many attack them. Those who comply are locked up and controlled for every ones safety.
>DA:O - Grey Warden Position - Beholden to themselves. They do not have to follow any order given to them by another party. Will work with the Inquisition for the good of the world.
>40k - Grey Knight Position - Beholden to themselves. They do not have to follow any order given them by another party. Will work with the Inquisition for the good of the galaxy.
Etc.
>>336916748
Do I smell elf-sympathizers?
>>336916687
So The Witcher is also a copy of Warhammer?
And every setting with some people selected for a purpose and enhanced to do it by their group?
>>336916687
damn son look at all these shallow similarities they are basicly the same thing
>>DA:O - Darkspawn - Evil beings which regularly appear and wreck shit
>>40k - Daemons - Evil beings which regularly appear and wreck shit
woah you opened my eyes roflcopter
but trying to make the definition of templars as an argument is my favorite.
so YES pls go on.
>>336916687
Witchers are grey knights.
>>336917235
>they do not have to follow any order given
>they also do not have to follow any order given
someone call the rip-off cops
>>336910984
My favorite part about this game was how blatantly ambitious and remorseless Vivienne is. They never call attention to it, but even a cursory examination of her character reveals that she's a complete sociopath with zero regard for anything that doesn't directly result in her own personal gain.
You don't see "benevolent," high-functioning sociopaths in games very often without huge amounts of BBC Sherlock-esque edge.
>>336917242
Literally nothing wrong with non mary sue elves
>>336916687
You understand that these are both pulling heavily from Babylonian and Christian mythology, right?
You can find the influence of these hugely popular mythologies and their associated fables in pretty much anything that deals with spirits and demons.
You've identified a common source, not derivative design.
>>336915346
>breaks the Tolkien model
They were magical immortal super elves whose empire collapsed because infighting. Sounds like Tolkien to me
>>336910984
>The Trespasser DLC for Dragon Age Inquisition saw a return to more traditional gritty and complex Bioware writing, and nobody noticed it at all.
>Its like you don't want old Bioware back.
>Capitalizing words that don't need to be
>Praising biocuckware after the year 2011
>Asking people to buy DLC instead of pirating it
>Doesn't stick around to try and talk about the game at all
I smell a shill.
>>336910984
>origin
no thanks
>>336916419
Thats just depressing
>>336915346
>capable of being evil and corrupted
uh, have you actually read any Tolkein or... well, any fantasy at all, really?
>>336917247
>40k - Grey Knights - Created to fight Daemons
>TW - Witchers - Created to fight monsters
>40k - Grey Knights - Created via rituals and intense psychic evaluation. Increases their abilities beyond normal Space Marines.
>TW - The Witchers - Created via rituals and intense psychic evaluation. Increases their abilities beyond humans and soldiers.
>40k - Daemons - Evil beings which regularly appear and wreck shit
>TW - Monsters - Beings that are always around and can help or wreck shit, not all monsters are bad.
>40k - Daemons - Created in the Warp via emotions (Rage, Change, Lust, Despair etc)
>TW - Monsters - Were brought into the world through the Conjunction of Spheres.
>40k - The Warp - Another dimension sandwiched between life and death. It is possible to enter. If you do, you will be attacked by enemies.
>TW - Wind Hunt Dimension - Another dimension.
>40k: - Pyskers - Able to draw power from the Warp to cast magic. Psykers which lose control of their power can cause possession or even open up Warp Rifts, allowing entities to enter the material world.
>TW - Sorceresses - Draw inner power and power left over from the Conjunction of Spheres.
>40k - The Inquisition - Created to maintain order in the Imperium between various institutions.
>TW - Witcher Schools - Created to kill monsters and not meddle in human affairs.
>40k - Sisters of Silence - Anti-Mage Fighters, designed to tackle rogue Mages and bring them to justice/processing
>TW - Order of the Flaming Rose - Anti-monster, designed to kill all non-human beings.
I mean, there are certainly similarities. But they are not a carbon copy of each other like DA is to 40k.
>>336918390
It's almost as though layers of abstraction exist to facilitate the connections we use to be creative or identify associations. It's almost as though if you apply enough of them, such that your language becomes vague enough, almost any two functions with similar outputs can be made to look identical.
>>336910984
Because I never played Trespasser, why the fuck would I when I only got about 4 hours into DA:I before calling it quits
>>336916419
Thats like saying being a fan of a football team for more than several seasons is wrong, because the players change.
Is DA:I worthy of a pirate?
I'm not expecting anything good I just want to see how the story continues from my other two saves.
>>336917247
>>336918390
>40k - Pyskers Treatment - Treated badly. Oppressed by those in charge. Resent their oppressors. Many attack them. Those who comply are locked up and controlled for every ones safety.
>TW - Sorceresses - Held in high regard, often heavy political members.
>40k - Grey Knight Position - Beholden to themselves. They do not have to follow any order given them by another party. Will work with the Inquisition for the good of the galaxy.
>TW - Witcher Position - Beholden to themselves. They do not have to follow any order given them by another party. Most (aside from Geralt and those dear to him) couldn't give a flying fuck about anything that happens as long as they are looked after by themselves and paid by whoever they do a job for.
>>336918551
Re-read what you just wrote and you'll realize that that's exactly what he's saying.
Being a fan of a football team just because they carry the name is stupid. You're a fan of the name, not the team.
>>336914930
I will never understand why they made crafting dependent on individual ingredients in a fucking open world so you have to go and gather them/get from war-table missions. If DA2 did anything right it was crafting, in how it dealt with ingredients and cost at least.
>>336910984
All I want is them lips around my dick to be quite honest with you.
>>336910984
The gameplay is awful and the majority of the characters were shit. Of course I didn't play the DLC I dropped that shit before finishing it.
Quite glad I pirated it, Bioware's done this shit so often that even an optimist like me won't be caught out.
>>336917235
You are retarded. The Grey Wardens and the Darkspawn = Night's Watch and the Others. This isn't even close to being subtle.
>>336916419
>Bioware will never be good again
where did it all go so wrong
Maybe it was really good but Dragon Age Inquisition was such a piece of shit that I did not finish it or buy any DLC for it.
>>336912398
>generic quest for some made up fantasy items
Yes, but where's the STORY
Either way the gameplay is still trash so the game sucks
>>336918630
the first eight hours are free through Origin. It's worth grabbing that because you'll stop playing before then
>>336918541
Come on man. Grey Wardens and Grey Knights. There is little difference in the fucking name, let alone their purpose. The fucking Fade is a carbon copy of the Warp. Hell, everybody who dies goes to the Fade. Just like everybody who dies goes to the Warp (unless you specifically do something special not to do so).
DA is very very very similar to 40k and that's OK. But don't deny that it isn't. There isn't anything 'vague' about those things that guy listed. Either argue the differences or accept they're so similar it's a copy.
>>336918541
Hey man, I am not this guy (>>336917235, >>336916687) I just felt like adding my two cents. I liked DA:O, love 40K and I consider my favorite game TW. They have similarities and thats why I enjoy them.
I just found that TW had a few differences I wanted to compare.
>>336918635
>Sorceresses
>Held in high regard
>>336910984
>DLC
A minority of all players who buy the main game buy those, anon.
>>336918737
Other than "group that stops monsters", how?
>>336918839
I dunno, being propped up on a stake is quite elevating.
>>336918839
>not held in high regard
I never said they were trusted or loved. But they are treated to lavish lifestyles befitting royalty due to them being basically second-hands to Kings.
>>336918737
>guy literally explains the similarities
>no but you see, this one possible similarity means all the other ones are null and void
DA has lots of shit copied from elsewhere. 40k is just one of the many they have done. The anon wasn't arguing that it was JUST 40k, other than it had much more stuff than GoT. Unless you can argue those other points fit GoT better....
>>336918662
Witcher 3 made the same mistake, except once you craft shit in that game you basically never again have to gather anything. It's just looking for some use for open world when the games clearly aren't built for it.
>>336918635
>40k - a strong wizard who eats weak wizards to remain alive sits mummified in a big chair and helps ships travel safely on long distances
>inquisition - a strong wizard who eats weak wizards to remain alive sits mummified in a big chair and helps ships travel safely on long distances
>40k - orks grow from mushrooms and attack chaotically in large numbers, seeking chaos and death
>inquisition - quanari grow from mushrooms and attack chaotically in large numbers, seeking chaos and death
>40k - egyptian cybors rule sandy areas
>inquisition - egyptian cybors rule sandy areas
Literally the same game.
>>336918839
They are. Before the end of Witcher 2, they are royal advisors to every ruler in the world.
>>336918923
>Radovid was right
He was mad. No other King felt the need to kill his advisers unless they did something pretty fucking stupid. Sorceresses are not considered criminals until Radovid decided he didn't like them.
>>336910984
>buying dlc for a shit game
>>336919019
Sounds like you got it all figured out :^)
>>336919060
They sure as fuck werent held in high regard even before Radovid.
They were considered a necessary sacrifice. An inconvenience.
Every ruler would remove their assigned sorceress if he could be sure all the other kings won't attack him for it, as advised by their own sorceresses.
I feel pretty sad about dragon age origins.
I really enjoyed playing it, even if its not that good of a game.
>>336918973
>Grey Wardens are the stereotypical badasses who don't take orders from anyone
>That must mean they were ripped from this other stereotypical order of badasses who don't take orders from anyone
I guess the Spectres, the Inquisition and the Jedi were 40k rippoffs too, right? And let's ignore the fact Gaider himself said DAO was based on ASOIAF.
>>336918630
Gameplay is bascially a consolised singleplayer MMO.
Some of the story segments and dialogue is genuinely good, and many discussions you have with Solas can be very through-provoking.
Wether you should pirate it or not is difficult to say. It's not a bad game, but I can't say I will ever replay it or reinstall it ever again.
>>336919256
No man,you don't understand, Lord of the Rings rips off Warhammer.
>>336919042
>>336918956
They were distursted or even hated. That's not what held in high regard means.
>>336919229
>They were considered a necessary sacrifice. An inconvenience.
They also sure as hell were not rounded up and beaten were they? Kings listened to them. In 40k and DA anyone with magical talent was rounded up, put in a tower and tracked. And if they got caught out of line they were beaten and killed.
Sorceresses in TW universe were treated like royalty. Like I said, they were not loved or trusted, but they were not treated like dirt that is for sure.
>>336918819
They share common inspiration.
The fact that you think the Grey Knights are somehow unique is hilarious and betrays immense ignorance about common mythologies and fables.
>>336918630
Yes, its worth playing. Don't fall for /v/'s memes. Also don't give EA money.
>>336919330
Good point.
>>336918819
>similar copy
How the fuck is the Fade a copy of the Warp? If anything the Warp is a copy of hell or heaven, or any other spiritual concept of afterlife.
Jesus fuck, anon. You're shitposting right now.
>>336919347
Yeah I used the language wrong, my bad. They were still not treated like shit as in the other two games.
>>336918630
There's a six hour trial or so on Origin. Game will not change significantly past that point except you'll upgrade to a new base. Every zone is the same shit as Hinterlands only smaller.
>>336918630
If you managed to play through 2 I can't image Inquisition is any worse than that.
I could barely play through 12 mins
>mfw my mother loves games like DA and ME
>>336918630
No, not really.
Honestly, I enjoyed DA2 more, it was shitty, but at least it wasn't bloated with giant areas full of shitty fetch quests.
DAI is the game that convinced me modern Bioware has no idea how game design works.
>DAO: Elves are just shorter, pointy eared humans lookwise
>DA2: elves are now the blue cat people from Avatar
>DAI: someplace in between DAO and DA2's looks, but as skeletons
seriously DAI elves are scrawny as fuck. I wanted to play as a male elf once, but they are twiggy and how they stand with their goofy looking arms is horrible.
>>336919561
Dragon Age elves are just Warhammer elves.
>>336919545
>If you managed to play through 2 I can't image Inquisition is any worse than that.
It is. It's just bad in different ways. A lot of "it's better than DA2" praise is just knee-jerk reaction until you play it for a longer period of time.
>>336910984
Unless it removes the ridiculous Influence Points grinding of collect-a-thon "exploration" and absolutely pointless, bare bones sidequests, I doubt it changes enough to make this game playable.
Beating it once was chore enough.
>>336910984
>more traditional gritty and complex Bioware writing
Such as? Seriously, give an example.
The only Bioware-related grittiness I can think of is the Marilyn Manson trailer for DA:O, and that was embarassing as fuck.
>>336919504
They weren't treated like shit because they were powerful and useful. If the Witcher universe had their equivalent to Templars you can bet your ass every mage would kept in a prison.
>>336919549
Are you implying your mother liking something automatically makes it bad?
>>336919664
Eh, they sold Jon Irenicus straight.
He was pretty edgy.
>>336919561
I like making the twiggiest, dopiest cunt looking elf I can and making him a two handed warrior because he looks like a retarded cartoon character and everyone elevating this stupid looking mother fucker to hero status is something I will never not find amusing. I do similar shit in every game where I can make my characters.
>>336912398
>They need to recruit people he has not met before
Que to Dragon Age MMO. Solas will be a raid boss.
Just you watch. I fucking guarantee it.
>>336919640
Nah, DA2 is much worse.
>>336919640
I would agree with this. It's worse than DA2, in my mind, because the things that DA:I did that pissed me off I feel are much more egregious (open world, shitty companions, terrible quests) than the things that DA2 did that pissed me off (shitastic art direction, copy-pasted environments, ANOTHER WAVE).
>>336919640
Agree. DAI felt much more of a chore to go through than DA2.
>>336919742
Was he? He was out for revenge and power, nothing so atypical for a villain. Yeah, he experimented on Imoen and Charname, but that was for practical reasons.
>>336919802
You are grasping for the memory of a straw.
>>336919713
Except TW3 proved that normal soldiers can outnumber and overpower sorceresses. Which any king could've done.
Also:
> If the Witcher universe had their equivalent to Templars you can bet your ass every mage would kept in a prison.
Another reason that DA and 40K are less similar to TW.
>>336919549
I bet your mom reads "ROMANCE ;D WINK WINK" novels too
What a slut
>>336919742
Irenicus was hammy as fuck. I still persist in saying he worked largely because of David Warner's amazing performance.
>>336919561
>>336919605
Dragon Age elves were basically
>The Witcher had elves living in slums so i guess we're doing that too
>>336919742
And retarded.
>"lol imma steal dis tree power and shit"
>gets punished because he was being a faggot and threatened everyone
>starts to plot to do it ALL OVER AGAIN because fuck you
>plays the victim card while being a stupid faggot
No, Jon was a terrible villain.
>>336919945
Uh, did you play Baldur's Gate 2?
>>336919716
Nope.
It's just stressful as fuck to keep her entertained, seeing how Bioware is pretty much the only dev who makes the shit she likes.
>>336919979
>except TW3 broke the canon and fucked the lore
This isnt an argument. Gameplay contradicts lore all the time.
>>336919742
Irenicus did nothing wrong
>>336912636
it would trigger more sensitive players if all the npcs were prettier than you
>tried to play through Origins
>it's boring as fuck and way too easy even on Nightmare, best part about the game is the introductions
>tried to play through DA2
>it's the same fucking fights on the same fucking maps over and over for 40 hours
>tried to play through inquisition
>the combat is literally keep mb1 pressed down and mash whatever is off cooldown, world design is nice but it's 90% boring fetch quests and 10% horribly animated awkward cut-scenes
tell me that shit isn't fucking cringe inducing trying to copy the Pippin song from RotK, and holy fuck mother bixnood literally looks like an ape
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsxE0dwLICU
>>336920013
He got his souls slapped out of him because he was a greedy cunt.
Then plays the fucking victim card afterwards when he tries to do it again.
>>336919998
Oh yeah, David Warner slayed it.
I might agree with you, if it hadn't been for Warner. He managed to make the character come off as quite serious and evil, all because he couldn't let go of his ridiculous thirst to become the most powerful edgelord, even at the expense of his memories and emotions.
>>336919987
I should make her play some visual novel shit.
Oh wait, she's a console babby.FUCK
>>336919664
That's exactly what it is. Inquisition is still a sub-par mess of a game, it just exchanges DA2's overall ugliness and fucking awful combat for "ITS FUCKING NOTHING" - The Maps and lazy character design. Not generic, it's very easy to see what they were going for, but lazy and poorly executed. Fucking Iron Bull looks like his face was stretched out in Mario 64. Who hired these artists?
Fortunately, recycled animations nearly a decade old are still in tact, such as the "Robotic forward lean with hand extended"
>>336920180
>maybe if i pretend to like video games my son will call me more often
>>336920128I... I do not remember your love, Ellesime. I have tried to. I have tried to recreate it, to spark it anew in my memory. But it is gone... a hollow, dead thing. For years, I clung to the memory of it. Then the memory of the memory. And then nothing. The Seldarine took that from me, too. I look upon you and I feel nothing. I remember nothing but you turning your back on me, along with all the others. Once my thirst for power was everything. And now I hunger only for revenge. And... I... Will... HAVE IT!!
Listen, I fucking love Jon Irenicus and Baldur's Gate 2, but if this doesn't come off as "gritty" or dark, especially as it's delivered in-game, you're being a disingenuous cunt.
>>336918905
Night's Watch
>forgotten order which defends the land from supernatural threat
>recruits anyone from peasants to kings
>lots thieves, murderers and rapists
>joining means giving up titles and forbids marriage
>fights against an ancient evil that periodically comes back
>their only concern is fighting said evil
Grey Wardens
>forgotten order which defends the land from supernatural threat
>recruits anyone from peasants to kings
>lots thieves, murderers and rapists
>joining means giving up titles and forbids marriage
>fights against an ancient evil that periodically comes back
>their only concern is fighting said evil
hmmm
>>336920319
>game of thrones rips off warhammer gray knights
At last I truly see.
>>336920103
I agree with the comments on origins.
the series is pretty cringe inducing as a whole
>>336915941
The war is explained in Trespasser. Dwarves were originally linked to Titans, could dream and use magic thanks to that bond. Lyrium is Titans' blood and the elves discovered its enhancing magical properties and a bunch of other characteristics that made it precious as fuck.
They started a war against the dwarves. It carried for centuries until the elven gods killed the Titans and started mining their bodies for lyrium, also stealing the dwarves' lands underground (you visit a part of the Deep Roads filled with elven statues and a lyrium excavation center).
It's heavily hinted that the Titans counterattacked with the Blight, a self-defensive mechanism that would have destroyed the world. The elven gods were just too greedy and didn't want to stop, one of the reasons that prompted Solas to lock them away. Mythal seals the dwarves underground, breaks their bond with the Titans and destroys any evidence of their link with them, and stops the elves from getting more lyrium. That's why the dwarves don't remember using magic or Titans and think their only place to be is the underground (the first generation of dwarves sealed underground thought Elgar'nan's Sun waited for them on the surface to burn them)
>>336919945
"It is time for more... experiments."
Come on, senpai.
>>336920013
Did you? Joker is edgy, Irenicus is a power-mad monster.
>>336920319
>recruits
Only if they are feeling generous. They have the ability to straight up draft people.
>>336920310
ellesime was a bitch
I got the game but has no drive to slog through the offline mmo.
What lore shit got revealed in dai?
>>336920480
That's not edgy though, he was trying to tap into your soul's power so he could steal it. It would be edgy if he was torturing you just for fun.
>>336920594
elves did everthing
>>336920524
>man you love tries to usurp the gods' power and nearly kills you and everyone you know
>make him mortal, but let him live,
Yeah, what a bitch.
>>336920594
Well, for once...
uuuh
wait
um
There's...no...
I honestly don't remember
>>336911774
>>336910984
Why can't my character creator make something this pretty
>>336920497
>>336920653
He's literally butt-blasted because nobody will let him become a power-crazed god.
He keeps trying and fucking it up, becoming darker and more brooding in the process.
It's literally Elven Twilight.
You guys are thick af.
>>336920463
>It's heavily hinted that the Titans counterattacked with the Blight, a self-defensive mechanism that would have destroyed the world.
And there goes the only cool thing with the DA franchise; humans being so badass mages they make a freaking portal into heaven, only to find it empty.
Say what you want about Corypheus, but his monologue he has when you first meet is fucking tits.
>“Beg that I succeed, for I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty.”
They should have went with that instead. Made a franchise about mortals trying to enter heaven and shit. Instead they pick some generic bullshit.
>>336920594Elven gods killed dwarven gods in an ancient war.Mana potions are dwarven god blood.The blight is a defense mechanism of the dwarven gods, a last resort thing.
It well tied in.
>>336920071
Ahh, so everything that proves you wrong is just broken lore?
This is a video game board, I am not comparing The Witcher books to the 40K games or the DA games. I am comparing the games to each other.
>>336920716
what thing?
they made the darkspawn? is ea suddenly anti semite now?
>>336920839
Yeah seriously this was the most compelling part of Dragon Age.
Tevinter was awesome and super-interesting for this reason, too.
They went in all of the wrong directions imho.
>>336920594
>Tevinter stole everything from the elves
>the ancient elven gods were actually powerful mortal elves who took other elves as slaves
>Solas is the dread wolf
>the fade and the real world were one and the same back then until Solas fucked it up
>Solas wants to destroy the world to bring back his one
>>336920785
>get manipulated by your sister
>get everything taken away from you with no reason to live except for revenge instead of just killing him
>people are surprised he tries to get revenge
Elves are retarded
>>336920830
No, he's buttblasted because he has no soul and he's dying. Anyone would be an asshole in those circumstances.
HOPE YOU LIKE THE DEEP ROADS
>>336920875
But the Witcher games paint sorceresses as very powerful, surely more powerful than 5 infantry soldiers.
This is an inconsistency that you are citing, it doesn't work even just in TW3, let alone the franchise, and you compare it to other franchises and expect it to work there.
>>336921058
lmfao jesus dude at least pay attention to the story
>>336921000
>his sister told him to do something
>that means he has takes no blame for it
If he had learned some humility and asked for forgiveness the elves would have taken him back.
>>336921061
my favorite part of the game
>>336921058
>nobody will let him become a power-crazed god
>he has no soul and he's dying
hmmmm
i wonder why he got his shit slapped
>>336918150
Only a few of Tolkien's elves are actually evil and their society and way of thinking are almost godly, divine. They are nearly perfect creatures living in perfect armony with nature and animals. Sometimes darkness enters the heart of one of them, but it's a rare event and the individual is always condemned and fought.
DA ancient elves aren't like that: they kept slaves, used blood magic, were ruled by a bunch of fanatical assholes and played with the world and its inhabitants as they pleased (see Andruil and Ghilan'nain). The modern elves either live in slums as slaves or poor fellows, not remembering anything about their heritage, or as nomadic clans, remembering things wrong and living isolationist lives.
The fantasy genre is slowly moving away from Tolkien's model, but there are still few exceptions and DA elves are one of those.
>>336921071
they are very powerful but their windup and channeling time is fucking shit. without preparation against professional soldier they cant win 1 let alone 5.
>>336920594
There is no maker or at least according to Corypheus. It's never explained or even questioned why the city was always black then.
Red lyrium is lyrium + blight.
Flemeth is an elven god.
Solas is an elven god. The Gods were actually super power ancient elf wizards. Solas got pissed after they betrayed flemeth for some reason and sealed them away somewhere into the fade and then created the veil. But this caused Elves to lose their immortality. So now he's trying to destroy the veil and make the fade and the world one place again.
>>336921113
>>336921227
Need prep time to burn an army, don't need prep time to burn some fag's eyes on the spot.
The magic equivalences of witcher signs are something all sorceresses can do on the spot, for example, at will.
>>336920103
>it's boring as fuck and way too easy
Funny, I sucked so much that I neded up dropping the game.
I never understood what the fuck was happening in the screen, people were jumping left and right with some explosions here and there. So I took my magician guy, stood far away and shot at them with my magic. It worked for a while, but if it didn't then we would get wiped out in a second. It was boring and the setting was generic as fuck so I gave up on it.
>>336921205
I didn't say he didn't deserve it.
>>336921354
I stopped playing mage because it was way too boring and they didn't even bother making that much mage equipment so 3/4 into the game and even after finishing the DLC I still had the same shitty robes and hat as 4 hours into the game.
>Elves are literally WE WAS KANGZ AND SHIIIEEET
>>336921487
No? Why did you feel the need to post that?
>>336921245
Obviously somebody built the Black/Golden city, but it was probably the elves, since the Fade was part of the world and the veil was created by Solas. Fucking elves, why couldn't some other race be the super-powerful perfect immortal special snowflakes for once?
>>336921354
ehm there is a pause button and every effects and shit are presented with a pop up, icon, and explaination text near the icon.
Do you play rpg or strategy games at all?
>>336921226
Nice, you're really just semantically stretching the truth to fit your narrative, huh? Nice histrionics.
Drow, orc-progenitors (if not orcs themselves, dark elves, etc. have been a hallmark of fantasy since Tolkein. There isn't some ridiculous concept of elves being uncorruptible, entire races of corrupt elves exist in many, if not most, fantasy settings.
The elves of Nordic and Germanic mythologies that inspired much of Tolkein's work are vain and tricky creatures, as likely to strand you with nothing as to help you.
>>336921339
A catapult and a shortbow is a good metaphor someone told me back whenI read the books
One takes setup time, is essentially unable to defend itself and is basically a pain in the ass, but can shoot through fortifications like nothing else can.
One takes a few seconds and can kill people, but its just a fucking shortbow mang.
>Blight came from the Titans
Huh. that's neat I suppose.
Before Trespasser I figured the popular theory was the ancient Elven gods got Blighted somehow, so Solas sealed them into Arlathan AKA the Golden City, then tossed it into the Fade and made the Veil to prevent the Blight from affecting the world.
>>336921409
The point is that he was obviously an asshole beforehand, so your post makes no sense. Back to the wiki, bud. You'll get it next time.
>>336920594
The fade was created and isn't natural.
Rite of Tranquility can be reversed
Golden City was black before the Tevinter got there.
Exalted Marches against the elves started because of a secret affair between an Elf and a human, leading to some elves shooting the woman
Elves are the Xel'Naga
Qunari are taken at birth (other than Qunari of other races) and raised by Tamassrans, who can also offer sex when needed
Leliana is still batshit insane
Morrigan is a big softy
You're an idiot for using "offline MMO"
>>336910984
I'd have to buy Cisquisition to play it, which signals EA that Cisquisition was somehow passable.
>>336921479
>they didn't even bother making that much mage equipment
This too. I usually make warriors, but I got the game because I read somewhere that mages were amazing on this game and I wanted a change. Dragon's dogma fixed that itch in the end though, along with my FPS.
>>336921487
Actually, they're that butbefore that they actually were monarchs and faecal matterThe black city in everyone's dreams is a giant ozymandian elf city that has a massive curse on it[/spoiler ]
>>336920319
I used to read a shit ton of fantasy series as a teen/college age kid, and this stuff is a major cliche at this point. I don't know who did it first, but the "order filled with all types of people to stop a secret threat" trope has been around. DA may have gotten the idea from ASOIAF but it's possible that it crept up from anywhere.
>>336921667
There's a difference between evil and edgy, dumbass. Irenicus is the former.
>>336920319
>joining means giving up titles and forbids marriage
As we saw, this isn't 100% true. And marriage is discouraged but not allowed.
Other than that, it's pretty much the same.
>>336921559
>Do you play rpg or strategy games at all?
I do, but mostly turn based ones. This was my first bioware game and I really disliked it. I don't get the point of having a real time combat if I have to pause it every fucking second.
>>336921479
I hated the mage gear in DAI.
every armor was a coat of some kind, or had armor strapped to it. Where are my comfy ass robes? the NPC mages have that shit, why cant I?
