Comparing this game to TF2 is a pathetic joke.
TF2 is a thematic multiplayer FPS, Overwatch is just an unbalanced mess with stun locks, overpowered heroes and ultimatesThanks League of Legends.
You may argue TF2 has his own balance problems but at least isn't a complete rip-off.
Also,
>59,99 for this
>Tracer Ass reduction
>Blizzard doing FPS
Top kek
F2P in one year
>>336909425
Also,
No one cares at this point. This is just another blizzard Blunder from Blizzards part after Heroes of the Storm. No one's going to buy their shit games that already exist in other forms.
Even COD does a better job than this. At least you have a campaign for your "premium" bucks.
There's about 5 threads on the front page with pretty much the same content as this one, yet none of the OPs ever realize that the game is actually 40€. Please do at least the most basic of research before you blog about how much you hate shit.
>>336910087
I would probably play it if this go f2p, no way I'm going to pay for such a simple game like this one
>>336909425
Name one game blizzard made that wasn't a ripoff.
>>336910562
How is the game 40€. You're shitting me right?
Still too much for what it is.
>>336910562
A quick Google search says $40 on PC and $60 (lol) on PS4 and Xbone
>>336910562
Jokes on Blizzard. They're pushing their 59.99 version so hard Most people don't even bother checking the standard version is 39.99 (for PC that is)
>>336910521
You're denying COD games have a campaign?
>>336909425
>TF2 is a thematic multiplayer FPS
>thematic
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Rip playstation
>>336911109
Overwatch is an FPS moba.
Funny right?
>>336911109
Isn't demopan an old meme?
>Overpowered heroes
>>336911552
>having to alter an image to post your duplicate meme
Gotta make sure it's in every thread
>>336909425
Comparisons to TF2 are easy because if you've played enough of TF2 (especially the payload maps and the shittier control point maps), you can clearly see how much OW apes it. Sure, its character design is different, there's abilities and everyone has an ultimate. And yet, pacing, map movement, even the behaviors of the teams at chokepoints is the exact same. It's eery.
>>336910401
>No one's going to buy their shit games that already exist in other forms.
You underestimate the numbers or devotion of blizzdrones.
>>336910087
I would give it a try as a FTP
So far not impressed with the Beta.
>>336911552
>imgur filename
literally plebbit
>>336911552
>there are people in overwatch who aren't OP
yeah sure thing drone. I have over 300 confirmed FPS games, Overwatch is just another target to me, a bad one.
>>336911552
>He can't counter Bastion
>>336910521
He's right though. For 60 shekels CoD technically gives you more an entire campaign, which is far more content than you are getting here.
>>336913068
I think this webm exemplifies why this game is so shit.
The counter to that guy is to change your character and press a single button. In TF2, characters all have situations they are best in. The counter to those characters in those situations is to play better. All the characters have ways to deal with the problems that arise.
In this however it's just "LOL YOU DIED GIT GUD BY SWITCHING THE CHARACTER DESIGNED TO KILL THE OTHER ONE." There is no skill involved. The player in this didn't do anything impressive. There shouldn't be a character that has a "I press this button and these guy instantly dies, or he doesn't shoot me and I just kill him anyway."
It's not unbalanced, it's just balanced around the most brain dead AoS style of play, counter picking.
>>336909425
>SC2 sucked
>D3 sucked
>Overwatched sucked
Blizzard isn't the company it used to be. They only make trash games now.
>>336914371
hol up
so whatchu sayin is
you need to GET GUD ?
>>336913068
>in a game with 20+ characters the only counter to one character is another character, which literally has to press 1 button to win
This is called shitty balance.
>>336911109
DEPOMAN
>>336914371
Except Genji isn't the only way to counter Bastion. Snipers, Reaper and Tracer also counter him.
>>336909425
>League
Dota was the start of that kind of gameplay.
Unless you're simply meaning the unbalanced, in which case you're correct because Riot balance teams are idiots.
>>336914371
Yeah, it screams rigid rock paper scissor design with very little room for mechanical skill to make a difference.
>>336914979
I think blaming any game from another genre is stupid, because no one forced Blizzard to take concepts that do not work well in shooters.
I don't even know if Overwatch will have community servers like TF2 on PC. And even a community for that matter.
That is reason alone to discard it.
>>336911109
Demopan isn't even that bad by current standards
>>336914661
No, I'm not remotely saying that. Nothing I said implies I said anything of the sort retard.
>>336909425
It's $40, not $60
>>336917220
>PC
Try again.
>>336913068
> Rules of Nature.webm
>>336917442
>console
lol
>>336914371
You can counter Bastion with multiple characters though. That Genji thing will get you fucked up if Bastion doesn't shoot you.
>>336909425
What's wrong with ultimates?
>$60 for this
You mean $40?
>overpowered heroes
Just because you don't know how to play the game and get fucked up by basition doesn't mean the characters are OP
>>336914371
This nigga gets it
>>336909425
Oh yeah, let's do tf2 where weapon balance is meaningless and in tryhard play you only get to be scout medic demoman and sometimes soldier. Great.
>>336914670
Youre just trash. There are plenty of ways to counter bastion with several characters and teamplay.
Sorry that you pug and think you know what you're talking about.
>>336909425
reverse shilling is still shilling
Can I get this on steam or what or do I have to install that garbage battle.net shit?
This game is so fucking unfun when playing solo. You have to work with your teammates to beat certain enemy compositions and if you have stupid pubs all you will achieve are frustration and feeling powerless.
Game is also forcing you to play certain heroes even if you don't want to. I have to play bastion counters almost every game and it gets boring fast.
Paying 40$ for pleasure of pissing yourself off is retarded.
>>336914371
>he doesnt shoot me and i kill him anyway
citation needed, bastion has more than enough health to wait out the deflection and burst genji down from 200 in less than a second
also tf2 is no better in this regard
i can point out hundreds of different ways you counter pick (i have 3k hours in tf2) your opponents in a way which their only option is to run or die trying
the classes there are literally made to counterpick each other, the obly relief is gimmicky weapons that have been added like the short circuit to beat demos spamming your nest
or you know, get someone to go pyro on your team airblasting pipes and then the demo pick on the opponent becomes completely obsolete, thats your definition of fun it seems
>>336920509
Pharah, Widowmaker, Junkrat, Hanzo and Tracer all counter bastion as well as a number of other heroes, if if was only one or two dudes that counter bastion I could see were you are coming from.
>>336909425
it's somehow alike for the class as a weapon bearer concept and the esthetic, but then they remove all the good part and slap all what's wrong with dotos
>>336914371
Or you could just....stop shooting when you see a genji activate in front of you? Are you fucking retarded?
>>336909425
>ultimatesThanks League of Legends.
You mean "thanks dota"
>>336922823
Dota 2 was released after League of Legends.
>>336914670
Long range, shoot rockets with pharah and it's dead.
Pick junkrat and press M1 from corners
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/QsrtoUN.png "latest[1].png")
>>336921571
The problem with Overwatch is ironically that it fell for the whole class/hero-based shooter thing too damn hard.
The thing that makes TF2 fun is that every counter is basically a soft counter (compared to Overwatch). There are definitely advantages but they are mostly situational and the player with the highest skill will often prevail, most non-mirror encounters play out like gladiatorial matches where two wildly different warriors try to exploit each other's weaknesses. The winner is not always clear beforehand.
In Overwatch on the other hand, the counters are real. If a hero counters yours and he is able to engage you there is pretty much nothing you can do if your team doesn't help. The fact there don't seem to be any advanced movement techniques to master means there is no way to give yourself an edge either.
Everything also seems kinda sloppy and not too well thought out. Turret dwarf comes to mind. The explosions and feedback in this game also feel notoriously unsatisfying.
The concept of ultis is also pretty damn retarded. Some people will compare it to Uber but it isn't that way. To begin with, it would be disadvantageous to use all ultis simultaneously in Overwatch since all they do is kill people. If you do a teamwipe half of them would go wasted. So it basically encourages every retard to spam it at every turn without any semblance of coordination. On the other hand Uber encourages team wide pushes even if the most retarded of TF2 servers
>>336921250
How long can Reinhardt's shield withstand bastion?
You people will shitpost about anything.
>>336922934
I said dota
>>336923093
There is no game called just dota on Steam. What are you talking about?
>>336909425
Why are there so many OV threads started with this picture?
>>336923008
>How long can Reinhardt's shield withstand bastion
I counted 6 seconds m8
>>336910653
One of the most popular complaints aimed at blizzard games tends to be "Its like X, but to different so its bad"
Overwatch for instance.
HotS is another example
Even Hearthstone
is this what Titan became?
>>336923189
Because it describes the game's fanbase
>>336923189
>>336923189
Because if anything OW has done right, it's the asses. They are absolutely perfect.
>>336923240
problem is that all those game you just said is that
-are made for retards
-have tons of RNG
-0 skill ceiling
Blizzard can rip-off, but they rip-off shit to make it more casual, like WoW
>>336923261
Basically.
Titan was an overambitious piece of crap and Blizzard did well when they realized people just enjoy fun games and that not every game needs to be a bigger timesink than the rest of your life.
>>336909425
>>336909425
>Also,
>>59,99 for this
>>Tracer Ass reduction
It's $40 you retard, Tracer's ass wasn't reduced you retard they just changed her pose to a pin up model which is even sexier. Get your facts straight. The problem is that pose didn't fit her personality which I agree the new one is sexier and fits it.
>>336914106
>$60
again stop being a fucking retard.
League of Legends > Overwatch
>F2P?
>F2P?
>YEA MAN I-ITS TOTALLY NOT WORTH IT, MAYBE IF IT WAS 2.99
>I-IT'LL GO F2P, RIGHT?
>THIS GAME WOULD BE SOO MUCH BETTER WITH MICROTRANSACTIONS
Yet another sour grapes thread.
At least try to be more subtle with your poorfaggotry, please.
>>336923526
I feel like everything you know about blizzard is from 4chan. Which is so far up its own self congratulatory ass that most of the shit it says is just lies.
>>336923374
Gotta show them some ass dominance familia.and I'm more of a Lucio guy
Just post some goddamn SFM nigga
>oh wow who knew blizzard had problems balancing classes I'm shocked
If you played WoW you should know this
>but le different developpment team meme
They only hire PoCs and women, go figure
>>336923869
>spending 40 freedombux on Dirty Bomb with less polish
Thrifty choice, my fellow yiffer.
>its another poorfag complains about small things that are opinions besides saying why the mechanics are bad episode
>>336924234
Isnt Dirty Bomb by the same guys that made Brink?
>>336924503
And it's still somehow better than Overwatch.
>>336923975
>lies
>implying Hearthstone it's not a shitty card game with RNG all around, even more with the expansion that just launched
>implying HOTS didn't remove EVERY thing that was complicated from MOBAS and streamlined it to make it more casual (no inventory management, no farming, global levels, characters with less skills etc...)
>implying Overwatch isn't a clone of TF2, with the abilities of a MOBA copypasted, and is made for people that have never played a FPS
>implying WoW isn't EverQuest but with Warcraft 3 skin
I could go on, and on, Blizzard is a shitty company that doesn't fucking listen to the community and it's to high on cocaine to try to be original
hell, SC2 story is basically Warcraft in space,
>>336924895
Do not forget the amount of p2w that there is in Hearthstone and HOTS, and the cash shop in WoW that gets more content that the main game
>>336923869
>Playing 40 burgers for a casual shootan you'll get sick of in less than a week
I've been told that Mei is fair and balanced because she dies before freezing you if you empty every shot of a full clip into her face
>>336924895
>I've never played HOTS
>I havent played TF2 in years but look back nostalgicly
>I've never played Everquest
I mean fuck, the original appeal for TF2 was that it was so damned casual and has only gotten more so with time. WoW is nothing like EQ. HoTS is so far removed from other MOBA that its hard to compare them.
>>336924895
I wish Blizzard made good games
they're the last somewhat PC-centric developer left and they're dogshit
Why are people comparing OW to TF2 when Super Monday Night Combat exists?
>>336926489
Because TF2 is still alive. SMNC died when it launched.
>>336925747
>has only gotten more so with time
no, it has added some playstyles, some of them overpowered that had been nerfed, or tweaked
I played tf2 just yesterday, the best weapons are still the stock except for Soldier, the core gameplay hasn't changed
the only difference is the monstruosity that hats are now
new players get fucked by veterans in tf2, new players in Overwatch will still fuck up people because some of the classes play by themselves
HOTS is a fucking MOBA, you can't deny this, it has the core elements, it has been stripped of everything that shit MOBAS had originally that gave them some aspect of depth
>wow is nothing like EQ
go play EVERQUEST 2 and you'll see, the vanilla game was the casual game of his time
>>336925747
The original appeal of TF2 was that it was fun.
>>336926658
I played EQ1 and EQ2. EQ2 flopped hard on release then started to imitate WoW in later patches.
Hell EQ2 and WoW released in the same month. EQ2 at release was a buggy unfun mess.
>>336925747
>the original appeal for TF2 was that it was so damned casual and has only gotten more so with time
And it still has a quite high skill ceiling compared to its peers.
>>336926658
new players get fucking rolled in overwatch. Surely you've noticed all of the bastion threads
>>336926816
Yes, it was also the most casual FPS on the market. Hell it booked itself as being team based when there was very little synergy outside engineer and medic helping others.
Overwatch books itself as team based and actually does require teams to work with each other, and its called casual because people on modern /v/ are to casual to move out of the way of obvious moves or grasp that not all games are about solo play.
>>336927048
and new players in TF2 still get rolled by heavies and turrets. When TF2 was launched there were constant threads about heavy and engineer being OP.
Its almost like everyone complaining is a shitter who got mad they were beat and want to blame the game rather than their own dumb ass.
>>336923869
>People not wanting to spend 60/40 dollarydoos on a shallow first person with less content than 20 dollar games
>DUDE SOUR GRAPES LMAO STOP BEING POOR
Let me guess, you're gonna call us entitled next.
>>336924895
Dont forget that whole warcraft/starcraft totally not being a rip off from warhammer. They were supposed to make a warhammer game but couldnt, so made warcraft.
>>336925747
For me, the base appeal of TF2 was its very strong art direction and presentation (which has really gone down the shitter), along with a decent variety in playstyle (since each of the nine classes plays differently).
I've played TF2 for around 2000 hours, but I cannot run Overwatch due to low graphics card. Tell me in a list brief descriptions about each class in Overwatch and what makes them so overpowered, broken or absolute bullshit.
>>336927098
Overwatch "requires" teamwork because you can counterpick fucking everything and need a team to back you up when you lose in your rock-paper-scissors matchup.
People didn't look at TF2 and think:
>Wow this is casual I better fucking get in on this
They bought it because it was a good game that was fun to play.
>>336927562
To be fair on that one, Warcraft divorced itself heavily from Warhammer so was just generic Orcs vs Humans which has been around for ages.
And SC1 ended up so popular that 40k started copying SC1 which blurred the line even more.
>>336927767
40k copied sc? lmao. Whenever i hear that wh copied tyranids from zergs or marines from... marines something dies inside of me a little bit.
>>336911552
>>336913068
these 2 exact posts are in every single overwatch thread.
>>336909425
If this game is so casual and easy then why are the players so bad?
>>336927685
A few of the classes have "ultimate moves" that are pretty much room clearers.
You get an ultimate move by doing damage. Once you do enough you can use your move.
A few of the more complained about ones are:
Cowboy guys "high noon". The way it works is, you use the move, he freezes in place and the whole map hears him say "Its high noon", after he targets someone long enough they are essentially "locked on" for lack of a better word and you can kill them.
Another is Soldier 76 whose ultimate essentially aim bots him and lets him auto target anything.
A third is Hanzo the bow guys dragon thing. Where he yells out some japanese gibberish that everyone can hear and fires off a giant spirit dragon.
All the ultimates have notable tells
All of them are rather easy to dodge
Most of them aren't OP.
Like the dwarf/engineer guy. His ultimate pretty much makes his turret the equivalent of a engineers level 3 turret (fires faster, shoots missles), or Reaper the edgy guy who shoots everyone around him (pretty much only works if no one thinks to attack the big obvious target).
Now when you combine ultimates they can get really powerful. Like using the heavy weapons tumblrites bomb that sucks people in coupled with an aoe kill move. But thats just team work and almost never happens in pubs.
Most complaints about overwatch are just people getting pubstomped and whining.
>>336927957
I suppose you never looked at the old WH40k styles. There was a notable move to be more like SC. Especially on the nids.
>>336928689
The old styles sucked shit anyway. Just because they retooled what they had doesn't mean they ripped off Starcraft.
>>336928414
Is the community as retarded as TF2's, less retarded or more retarded?
>>336928849
Yes, the old style did suck. But the new style was very clearly copying SC. SC copied 40k, 40k then copied SC.
>>336929031
For now, I'd say about the same. Though modern TF2 has more meme spouters. But hell, its always had that.
>>336910685
60 on console
>>336927098
No, it's casual because it's braindead easy and skill doesn't matter.
Being forced to die as Genji whenever a Winston sees you isn't fun. And this is just an example.
>>336927279
>When TF2 was launched there were constant threads about heavy and engineer being OP.
Probably because Heavy was OP at release.
Have you even played back then?
>>336928147
Because... it's casual and easy? What kind of retarded post is this?
Wait tf2 is still a thing? Jesus christ let it die already. I logged into that game like two years ago and it had devolved into a furry mlp hat simulator. I can't imagine the amount of cancer that game would be today. Overwatch may not be great but tf2 is literally nothing but a cancerous game filled with autist
>>336909425
You sounds really mad OP. Overwatch isn't going to affect TF2 in any way, so I don't know why you feel threatened by it. No one's forcing you to play it either. You didn't have to go on /v/ and cry about it.
>>336914371
Literally git gud. Anyone who bitches about Bastion is a f2p shitter who can't figure out how to get around him.
I don't give a shit about this game but man the porn is so good
>>336931509
epic post my friend here's your (You)
epic image too so epic
>>336932058
I know anon the truth is painful. Go back to your dinosaur and trade autistic hats and fap with furries. Tf2 is garbage. like I said though overwatch isn't perfect but I bet if they polish it and the fan base doesn't die it'll make a great arena shooter one day
>>336932417
haha epic post my friend!
upvote
>>336932457
Excellent way to refute my statement you're literally proving my point that tf2 players are autistic
>>336932656
holy shit stop that's too epic for me
>>336931509
>>336932058
>>336932417
>>336932457
>>336932656
>>336932713
can you guys fuck off already get a room or something
>>336932713
Ok I'm out I'm not going to debate with a autistic retard you win
>>336932885
epic image bro
>>336932956
Tf2 babies everyone
>>336929217
Oh boy, Blizzard sure is creative, never stealing! Juss like Nintendont.
>>336933103
2epic4me
>>336914371
>Medic on a Heavy, on a Dispenser
LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE COMBO, WHAT WAS VALVE THINKING
>>336933170
So are you literally retarded or do you just want the last word or something? Wait either way you're retarded
>>336933369
man that's the epicest meme, good meme my friend
>>336933315
except heavy doesn't have crits all the time, damage falloff exists in TF2 and his accuracy goes to shit after 2 meters
>>336933315
Good coordination and/or persistence can break it up. Spy saps dispenser and probably gets medic or heavy, then gets the fuck outta here while everyone else rushes in
>>336933442
Don't ever reply to my post again anon
>>336933602
holy shit it's the anime meme, haha epic
>>336933669
>>336933602
>>336933442
>>336933369
>>336933170
>>336933103
>>336932956
>>336932885
You guys
>>336914371
yes, this is what i thought about tf2 and it is even worse in this game
It's not fun to pick a random class and hope that a situation in which it will be good will arise randomely.
I'll use this add opportunity to find non shitters to play with.
Add me name is Domnus
>>336933669
Congratulations you're the most retarded person I've ever come across in my five years of coming here. That's quite an accomplishment
>>336934128
le epic lizard is my favorite meme
>>336931509
Kind of in the same boat.
>Friends shit on Overwatch
>Talk about how shit it is when people load the game
>"Hey we should play TF2, a better game!"
>"HAHA OH MAN THIS GAME IS MUCH BETTER THAN OVERWATCH"
This wouldn't be so sad if these were just steam friends and not people I know in real life.
>>336909425
tf2 is about skill and gunplay
overwatch is about timing your ulti and gay abilities
tf2 win.
>>336909425
TF2 wasn't always free to play right? This will likely meet the same fate.
>>336934198
Is this what you do with your free time? Go around b8ing on a mongolian fishing website?
TF2 is not competitive, Overwatch is.
Regards,
Someone who is actually better than you at every single game you've ever played
>>336934571
the epic anime meme again? I love it
>>336934331
yeah but tf2 turned f2p only in 2011, I bet overwatch won't hold for one fucking year before turning f2p. This game is fucking empty and have no depth.
>>336934651
Anon why are you doing this? This has gotten completely off topic.
>>336934697
>>336934259
t. the same beaner
Guys why don't we all calm down and talk about how Junkrat a cute
>>336934259
>tf2 is about skill, crits, and gunplay
>overwatch is about getting out of combat free with tons of crutch abilities, easy kills with ults that require zero skill to get it, and zero weapon management of any kind outside of maybe mercy
but i cant stop playing it. help
>>336935069
>getting out of combat free with tons of crutch abilities
More akin to a moba here, nothing wrong with that, even though you're trying to distort it with your own preconceived TF2 notions.
>zero weapon management
You actually think there's a skill curve to counting your ammo or pressing tab to switch between a weapon? Really pulling at straws here, anon?
>>336932819
holy shit this pic
>>336935069
>but i cant stop playing it
try playing for more than an hour. I dropped the game the first day of the closed beta after getting to lv10, it's really sad how bad this game is
>>336909425
>Liking a SJW influence game.
>>336910401
>No one's going to buy their shit games that already exist in other forms.
You overestimate normies.
>game has sniper
>it's always a fun-negating class/weapon
>>336935708
What's the opposite of a normie? Is it an autistic person? Social retard?
>>336932819
had to look at this pic for a couple seconds to realise it wasn't an arse in the babies face
>>336913068
>People think this is bad
Bastion could bait Genji's deflect and then Genji is fucked.
>OP unironically saying TF2 has nothing that is overpowered
Even the biggest Blizzard dicksuckers thought it was going to be F2P because it looks like League of Retards in first person.
>>336936121
Biggest blizzard dicksucker here
Never thought it would be F2P, absolutely did think it would be a shit game with no redeeming qualities.
After playing the beta I'm very much considering buying it now
>>336913068
This only works if the bastion is brain dead.
>>336935896
a robot
>>336936079
it doesn't
>>336914371
>In TF2, characters all have situations they are best in.
Okay then show me how to counter a level 3 sentry as a Scout. Atomic Punch doesn't count; I'm talking *destroying* the sentry. The only solution is to *gasp* change characters!
>>336936471
>use demoman and blow him up in 3 hits from around a corner
>go roadhog and pull him out of turret mode
bastion literally isn't hard unless he has an entire team supporting him and even then you should have an entire team supporting you to make it even easier
I hate how RPS the heroes are I find myself constantly switching to beat a problem player on the opposing team. Playing the weekly brawl helped me out a ton though.
If this game had more of a emphasis on working around a individual characters weakness and giving them a more well rounded kit it may make the game more fun. Or at least some movement options.
>>336936647
At least you admit to having no valid opinions
>>336936792
you haven't even attempted to make any point supporting your stance
you're probably a casual pleb that thinks heavy or pyro is OP
>>336936663
You keep it in that limbo between when the sentry beeps and when it actually shoots you. If you run very close to a sentry between those two periods and keep moving, you can keep it perpetually offline for as long as three seconds, easily enough to blow it up with a scattergun if unattended.
This is what he's talking about. Even when something in TF2 is supposed to hard-counter something else, it's possible for that thing to defeat it in the right circumstances.
>>336936663
No, the solution is to have your TEAM as in TEAM FORTRESS 2 help you destroy it while you defend their backs or distract the sentry with bonk.
>>336936943
Because I don't need to, anybody who has any extensive time played on TF2 knows exactly what I'm talking about and I already know your argument will boil down to nothing more than "nu-uh kritz-demoman is totally balanced"
>>336935462
>More akin to a moba here
literally dont care about mobas
>You actually think there's a skill curve to counting your ammo or pressing tab to switch between a weapon?
no. but the reason behind limited ammo in fps was so that you couldn't rely on a weapon constantly. i.e. bazooka guy has 20 rockets in tf2 to prevent him from relying on spam on the offense and you can run out of it pretty fast. there was tactical decision making in COD and CS when to use grenades since they were limited.
overwatch's single weapon design with unlimited ammo usage just allows for endless spam and suppressive fire on choke points in maps that have pretty much all the same design. in a game where damage powerups ults regardless of kills. allowing for even easier kills on some characters. shit is more braindead than playing meat grinder maps like metro in Bf3
>>336914906
actually Snipers and Reapers get teared apart by Bastion, Tracer is just an annoying shitter thinking it does damage
Overwatch just feels like TF2 if you removed all the arena shooter elements that frustrate plebs, and then replaced it with Call of Battlefield meat-grinder style gameplay.
Which is stupid because TF2 is already full of spam and death, the complexity comes from how you play around that central chaos. In Overwatch the gameplay IS the chaos and not much else.
>>336937058
>No, the solution is to have your TEAM as in TEAM FORTRESS 2 help you
So like Overwatch, then?
>>336937129
But it is balanced. It requires two people.
>WAAAHH MOMMY I CAN'T 1V2 THESE GUYS WAAAHHH
as I suspected, you are a casual pleb
>>336937367
>tf2 fans are genuinely deluded in thinking TF2 is completely balanced
This is why everybody laughs at TF2 now
>>336937469
yes, I'm sure your friends inside your head agree with you
>>336933315
>a single soldier crit, demoman, sniper, spy, uber + 1
That's half the classes that can easily deal with it
>>336936663
If the sentry is alone you can totally destroy a lvl3 sentry with a scout. Use your scatter, peek, shot, retreat, repeat. In 4, 5 seconds the sentry is history.
>>336924503
It's also by the same guys who brought RtcW multiplayer and put out ET standalone for free, so yeah, I think that counters it.
>>336923175
KEK nice bait
>>336938040
>>336936956
And by similar logic you can at least as easily, if not significantly moreso, destroy a turret Bastion with Tracer.
What's this about Overwatch having all these hard counter-only situations again?
>ULTIMATES ARE FUCKING PATHETIC THEY'RE "PRESS THIS FOR FREE KILLS"
>Ubers in TF2 are completely okay though
>They're okay because you can counter them!
>BUT YOU CAN'T COUNTER ULTIMATES IN OVERWATCH, YOU CAN'T SHOOT ANYONE AS THEY'RE ULTING, WOOOOW
Every argument I've heard against Overwatch using TF2 as a basis for criticism is nonsensical, and the complaint of it not being fun is left up to being subjective. Jesus christ, people.
>>336923869
>sell your game for full retail price
>AND add microtransaction
Yeah, no.
Origins may unlock all lads but datamining already showed 24 character slots.
>>336938625
Except only one class has uber.
Everything is correct, though.
>>336938392
a sentry by definition can't think so you don't have to fear unpredictable patterns, a good bastion won't let you flank since he's human..
>>336938392
Never mind the fact that Tracer is actually pretty decently equipped to deal with Bastion. Just blink and shoot and she'll do enough damage while throwing off the manual aim. Compare this to the Scout who can't attack during BAP and is auto-targeted.
>>336939094
read >>336939153. Tracer's blink can deal with Bastion's manual aim easily.
>>336939094
So you're saying in order to dominate with Bastion you have to...
...
...
...
...GIT GUD?!?!
>>336924234
Dirty bomb is unpolished as fuck but is fundamentally more fun because it has faster gameplay.
I like overwatch but I don't know if I want to spend $40 on it.
>>336914670
Pudge and that guy with a shield and rocket hammer both can force bastion out of his deployed form and then kill him with ease...
If you gave everyone about 100-200 health across the board the game would improve by leaps and bounds.
shit ain't fun when its a 10 second respawn with a 30 second run to the point only to get instagibbed by a stray junkrat shot, turn the corner on a bastion, or walk into a hanzo arrow
Leave the 1-2 shot kills for ults and sniper headshots, and make it so people actually have to try and aim rather then spray and pray
>>336940821
This is the only bit of criticism about the game that I 100% completely agree with. Everybody is too fucking frail, even the "Tanks".
>See that tiny sliver of health loss by mei's freezegun
>Turn around in .001 second
>already frozen
>take an icicle to the face and die and you can't do anything about it
>Hear mei's ult
>You are already frozen, thus dead
>>336938625
to be fair it's a pretty big difference between a 10 second invulnerability push and a fuckhuge wallhacking AoE with about 1 second creation delay
Can someone tell me the best way to take out Bastions cheap ass turret?
>>336941335
Junkrat and Genji
>>336941427
pls explain
>>336941335
Long range rockets with pharah. Easy as shit
>>336941534
Junkrat can lob bombs from out of sight, Genji just reflects bullets, even the 'bstion can just stop shooting" meme means nothing if you charge forward and get up on top of him with your blink, shits disorienting and he only has 300 health, thats 2 melee hits
I like Winston and that pig guy. Characters that don't rely on just their ulti
>>336941702
>>336941584
There's a corner hallway in Kings Row where it's almost almost impossible to get at him when he's defending.
>>336942027
King's row is heavily favored for the defender.
I always rush the outside of the map with tolb and set up a turret up on the walkway above the points
Litereally the only people that complain about Bastion are new players. In a competitive environment Bastion actually needs some sort of rework (not necessarily buffing) because you can dispose of him pretty quickly when he's in turret mode
>>336914371
As if current TF2 is more than switching your layout based on whatever situation/team you're facing instead of getting gud at your class.
>>336914371
lol all the bastion had to do to not die was stop shooting
![b45[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nedukvP.jpg "b45[1].jpg")
>>336909425
>>336910401
I know at least one Blizztard and some of his other friends that support it.
I can also bet solid money that someone else I used to hang out with (lost touch a while ago) is probably playing it too.
I'm going to buy it to play with friends and nobody can do anything about it
>>336940821
This is Overwatch, not Counterstrike.
>>336940821
>everyone complains about the characters being damage sponges
>someone complains about the characters not being spongy enough
Being Blizzard must suck balls.
>>336928414
>, he freezes in place and the whole map hears him say "Its high noon"
So surely he can just be killed while he stands there, right?
>>336936663
There are 3 characters that can directly counter sentry guns, soldier, demoman and spy. In competitive play those classes are the designated sentry destroyers. TF2 works because each class has it's own role and multiple classes can counter a single class.
>>336944029
If TF2 works then why is it a dead game?
>>336941702
>shits disorienting and he only has 300 health, thats 2 melee hits
you mean 10? because melee deals 30 damage
>>336925160
> HotS
> pay to win
Just because you can buy characters in a f2p does not make it pay to win lmao
>>336944137
>70k players a day
>>336943948
that guy's an idiot, he cen actually move during it
>>336944137
because you're a /v/ermin spouting memes all day
>>336928414
> play Roadhog
> grab literally anyone during their ultimate
> no more ultimate
Is there a more based character? He's low-key OP
>$40
>matchmaking can put you together with awful premades of kids facing premade of taunting nerds
>12 maps
>half of the maps are shitty
>can't opt out of control points mode
>can't opt out of king of the hill mode
>a lot of characters directly harm their team by not being better characters
This game is probably fun if you are playing on a 6 man stack.
Won't buy it for solo play though.
I can already see all of the cancer meta and snipers hitting 70%+ in scope.
Not a bad game if you don't think about issues too much.
WHY did they have to make most of the roster not even have to aim? Not even just talking about the heroes who literally don't have to aim like Winston, but the hitboxs on most attacks are so huge that you'd have to be aiming with your feet to not be able to hit. Seeing some troglodyte who appears as though he has Parkinsons Disease do good despite this, and even getting POTG is absolutely retarded. It feels like they wanted to make another MOBA, but were forced to make an FPS, so they decided that how good someones aim is won't be in the equation to determine who wins.
>>336913068
Raiden vs Mini-GRAD
>>336944029
So, like Overwatch, then.
>>336944983
Because thumbsticks can't aim, yet that's what the majority of players will be using.
>>336944529
can also grab bastion out of turret mode which is a nice way to fuck him up.
Most annoying thing so far playing as Roadhog is fucking shields blocking hook. I get that it would be op to do that but that guys shield is so fucking wide it can just block a chock point.
>>336944983
because it's a BLIZZARD GAME
everyone knew from the beginning it would be braindead easy so even the casualest of casuals could play it
>>336945352
Wallhack of WM or Hanzo + hook are absolute, undiluted bullshit though. There is no way enemies can see it coming and it usually instakills them. Much skill and balance, indeed.
>People comparing this game to TF2
You're supposed to change your character to counter situations and for different maps you autists
idk, it's fun but overpriced
should have been around $20
>>336945780
Sounds like disgustingly bad game design
>>336909425
>TF2 is a thematic multiplayer FPS, Overwatch is just an unbalanced mess with stun locks, overpowered heroes and ultimates Thanks League of Legends.
So it's a DOTA 2 made FPS?
>inb4 DLCS
I am calling it here first, we all know blizzard
>Free beta, lets play it
>this is kind of fun
>3 hours later and already got bored
>to think I almost bought it
dodged a bullet there
>>336911241
Thats Battleborn
>>336945884
Is this bait? It's literally the design of the game that allows you to change class at any point for situations, not every game has to be "MUH DEDICATION TO CHARACTER"
>>336946001
dota characters have personality tho
>>336946178
being literally forced to die because the enemy chose a different character is bad design
I should be able to outskill my opponent no matter what I'm playing, but if you're for example Genji you'll die against Winston every single time
that is terrible design, you dumb moron
>>336945278
>>336945474
I'm pretty aggravated by this, as Quake Live is close to dead, I was hoping to find another shooter that wasn't TF2 or CS:GO to play. If they just increased the move speed by 2 times or so, gave characters weight, made every character actually have to aim, decreased hit box sizes for attacks (and hitboxs of bigger heroes), removed ults (and gave two more abilities to compensate, maybe even more), fixed the retarded range fall off damage for weapons, general rebalance around these changes, and some more subtle things (declutter hud, fix retarded geometry and how it reacts to what you're doing for examples), it'd be a pretty great game. It's still fun, but I don't think it's something to put a significant amount of time into, and definitely isn't "competitive".
>>336946342
Every game ever has had counters one way or another, thats the nature of the game, your "skill" in the game combines with your class selection, not to mention its team based which means your team should be helping you counter things. Seriously how is anyone this retarded
>>336923175
Simply epic.
>>336946006
>we all know blizzard
know what? the only precedent they've set that might apply in this situation is an expansion in a couple years. Or some meaningless skins and shit that you can only get with real money, which already happened with the $60 edition.
>>336924234
Nobody will be playing Dirty Bomb in a year
>>336935013
junkrat is base
Zenyatta is the best and satisfies my desire for a support that also crowd controls even if its on a small level with its debuff. Kill streaks all day nigga
Op is a fag btw
Off the top of my head, how to deal with Bastion with every character:
>Bastion
be better
>D.Va
look at him with array active and move on
>Genji
that webm
>Hanzo
walk around a corner and shoot him first
>Junkrat
indirect fire or pop out from the corner and throw satchel
>Lucio
lol wallsurfing on top of him
>Mei
literally anything
>Mercy
let someone else live long enough to do something
>McCree
Flash + fan
>Pharah
stand on his head
>Reaper
nothin personnel
>Reinhardt
use shield or charge to just ignore him completely
>Roadhog
practice for years to manage to skillshot the immobile object
>76
bait him into reloading by popping out repeatedly and using healing, then kill him with rockets and bullets
>Symmetra
put buddies on his head
>Torbjorn
fuck nigga why you trying to advance solo as a dwarf
>Tracer
jumping right-clicks and then sit on his face
>Widowmaker
left click
>Winston
drop shield, ignore completely
or just jump on his head
>Zarya
pop shield, thank him for the bonus damage
>Zenyatta
laugh at the orbited man and float away
>B-BUT HIS TEAM IS HELPING HIM
Wait at spawn for two second until someone else respawns, instead of spending the entire match charging single-file into a meat grinder
>>336924234
>there are still Dirty Bomb shills on this board
The game was/is shit, and wasn't interesting in any way. Overwatch is still mediocre though.
>>336947186
I hope you're not that guy who picks Zenyatta when we don't have an actual healer already on the team.
>One game is in beta
>The other has been out for just short of a decade and gone through many patches and revisions
Great comparison
>>336947532
I am and its great because I heal my team and reduce the damage they take by weakening and helping kill enemies faster fagget.
>no class like spy
Do they not realize how good having a stealthfag would be for the game? Having a way to flank and disrupt circlejerks would help the design choices immensly, and don't give me that "backstabs are unfun" bullshit. Widowmaker and sniperfags in general are a ton worse in that regard
>>336928414
To be fair, there are plenty of times the dragon can catch you off guard just by coming through a wall at the same time you're walking by. If the dragon heads weren't part of the hitbox for a second or so after emerging from something, that would remove my only complaint.
>>336947436
if he's not hiding behind reinhardt then zenyatta can actually kill him as effectively as widowmaker from crazy range
>>336948124
Honestly if they had a spy clone in OW people would be less bitchy about Bastion and Dwarf Engi
so is there anyjunkrat r34yet
>>336947436
>drop shield, ignore completely
you have to be absolutely retarded
bastion shreds reinhardst 2000 hp shield in 3 seconds, what's Winstons 800hp going to do?
