/v/, can we collectively all agree its time for this guy to retire?
>>336691026
Bethesda and Nintendo are in dire need of new, young blood.
>>336691026
What do you mean? Do you really want Mario to have more depth than "save the princess"?
It's time for nintendo to retire
>>336691026
he should have retired years ago
>>336692862
For platformers that's debatable, but for RPGs yeah. Also he pretty much cancelled TP's sequel for Link's Crossbrow Training. I cannot get more butthurt than that.
I love Miyamoto, I think he's very charismatic, but he has ruined so many games for the past few years.
For that matter I enjoyed the Rosalina storybook. I wish there were some emotional stakes in SMG2 as well. It's a shame it didn't happen.
>>336691026
Not gonna say what my job is or which department I work in, but consumers aren't the only ones dissatisfied with Miyamoto.
>>336693112
Is that you Allison? Tits or gtfo.
yes
miyamoto is best when figuring out how to use new technology to radically innovate in game design, but since at least the gc, arguably even n64, there hasn't been a technological advance significant enough to warrant the kind of complete re-thinking he's best at (hence trying to force the issue with hardware gimmicks)
that and there's a level of myopia about "i want everybody to enjoy my games" that restricts them to the same shallow sugary think-of-the-kids flavor, no matter how good the gameplay might be
>>336693112
I was honestly sick of him in the gcn era. Once he started having kids the real fun stopped, and thefunbegan
Kinda. He did a lot for the medium but by now he's a bit of a relic of a bygone age.
He has the opinion that every game should be able to stand on the strength of its mechanics, which I actually agree with, however he seems to be past the point where he can tell good mechanics from bad ones and stubbornly holds onto poor decisions (Something that many japanese developers seem to do, honestly)
Let him retire, it's not like he's particulary active now, all he seems to do anymore is meddle in everyone elses shit.
>>336693325
>that restricts them to the same shallow sugary think-of-the-kids flavor, no matter how good the gameplay might be
I don't think this is a negative because I am an adult who has adult games and Nintendo is the only company doing big AAA games that happen to be family friendly.
The main problem I have with Nintendo right now is that most of their franchises are stagnant in many ways. Like how Mario always goes from Hills, Desert, Mountains, Water, etc and how it doesn't innovate artistically unlike Zelda which is constantly changing artstyles, even though the gameplay is pretty great.
![MoleMania01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0jiAEcQ.jpg "MoleMania01[1].jpg")
>>336691026
>retire
nope, it will never happen but i want him to supervise a small team for their mobile games, just have them pump out simple but addictive games.
pic related was another title miyamoto cooked up inbetween projects, it was one of my favored gameboy games
>>336692763
It's a shame Nintendo, and japan in general, don't like change. They'll keep their staff with an average age of 50 until the day they die.
>>336693112
Shit man
So even fucking Nintendo is sick of this senile faggot
>Nintendo game comes out
>Kids, fans, and critics agree it's great
>Nintendo: uh-oh. Better not make a game like that ever again
what game was it?
This is Miyamoto in 2007. He's 63 now, was 54 then. How does he look so young in this photo? My dad looks like today's Miyamoto and he's 55
>>336693930
Paper Mario Thousand Year Door and Smash Bros Melee are the ones that pop in my mind.
>>336694069
Despite what people say, the N64 was good for nintendo. Many of their greatest hits were released on the N64. In 2007 Nintendo was finishing the abysmal GameCube era and getting ready for the Wii era.
>>336694069
asian men basically don't age for most of their mid-life, until they hit a certain point where suddenly all the extra years hit them at once
>wanting the inventor of videogames to retire
>>336694203
>Smash Bros Melee
I wouldn't exactly say that, Smash 4 may still be slower but Sakurai tried to make it more competitive than Brawl.
Smash's fans are just extremely resistant to change. I still see people playing Melee after all these years, and nothing else.
>>336693930
Paper Mario 64 and TTYD
Pre-3D Land/World Mario
StarfoxWind Waker
Bonus: Kid Icarus Uprising, although that's more of Sakurai just being a faggot.
>>336693112
No surprise there.
>ruined paper mario
>shoved gimmicks into star fox
>would shove gimmicks into f-zero if there was enough of a fanbase to warrant it
Nintendo needs to use that vault money to expand their dev teams so they can produce more games. Do they even use their multiple R and D teams still?
>>336691026
No, I like him. Pikmin 3 and Star Fox Zero were both good.
But I will say Splatoon fills me with hope that the new blood can start making some great new IPs.
Tell me what younger devs will do aside from adding more cancer.
Quick, someone post the JUST image of Miyamoto and Reggie
What worthy act did he commit for retirement?
He had my respect until it came out that he was ruining all of the Nintendo games.
>>336696258
He never had my respect. If he worked with Sony, that would be a different story
>>336693112
now if only this was true
>>336695974
What are you talking about?
>>336696496
He's asking for Nintendo to sell themselves to Sony, it's the only way
>>336696105
>memeing for the sake of memeing
Underage get out
>>336694069
Asians don't age like white people. They stay relatively young looking until they hit a wall in thier 40/50's. Once they hit it though oh boy.
>>336696554
Just do it pls
>>336696672
> Asians don't age like white people
They don't look black, so why aren't they white? Are they yellow?
>>336696724
>>336691026
He is just too old and out of touch with today's market.Everything needs to pander to kids and the lowest common denominator even when the genre itself does not resonate with this demographics.
He doesn't accept that maybe,MAYBE,some games are no meant to be for kids and should target an older group.The market got older and some games should adapt to that change too.
>>336694069
Aging in Japan is strange.
>>336696824
I think he meant to say caucasian.
>>336696824 (You)
>>336696997
Maybe if he worked for Sony everyone would actually like what he does
>>336697083
>hair dye doesn't exist in Japan
>>336696997
The thing is the people he would leave in charge would drive the company into the ground anyway, might as well pack up shop and shut it down before he dies of old age. Maybe release one magnum opus before he goes and leave it at that.
>>336698791
>The thing is the people he would leave in charge would drive the company into the ground anyway,
Where's the evidence for this? This company needs more new blood if anything.
>>336698791
I think he should stay in charge of IPs that resonate well with the demo he cares so much(Mario franchises,kirby,donkey kong) but AWAY and with no words at anything else specially Zelda,Metroid and F-zero.
>>336691026
JUSTU
>>336691026
>he
EVERY SINCE I LEFT THE CITY YOU
Star Fox Zero is the first game he's worked on directly since Galaxy
>>336694587
>Sakurai tried to make it more competitive than Brawl
hahaha
>Smash's fans are just extremely resistant to change (aka the fans are the ones who are wrong)
This is one reason why companies can cuck consumers so easily.
>>336700681
Not him but how is it not more competitive then Brawl? Random tripping is gone which was probably the biggest finger to the competitive community is gone, made For Glory a thing as lacking as it is, and actually has balance patched made.
>>336693103
>TP sequel
Kys it never was gonna have one, it was gonna be another game using the same stuff
Aka links crossbow training
>>336700905
>yfw Shiggy wanted link to have a fucking rifle and for it to be like the Terminator
Post yfw new zelda is Aonuma-Style
>>336692763
Young people are the reason video games these days are such shit on a technical level. Most of the development team consists of kids who've just finished their video game design course and don't know shit about actual computer science.
>>336697083
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
>>336691026
YES
>>336699657
FAKKU
>>336702606
Yeah, this is pretty much what I was trying to s ay. Young devs follow trends instead of innovating. That's why every game is cinematic bullshit nowadays. Also, reminder that a junior dev team makes the NSMB games.
>>336691026
I thought he died last year. Or was it this year?
>>336703289
Young devs are responsible for Splatoon, one of Nintendo's newest and most successful IPs and and has sold well on a system that has performed not as well compared to previous ones.
>>336703470
Well congrats, some young devs aren't retarded. I just want young devs who follow Nintendo's philosophy, but kinda do their own thing and not introduce cancer.
>>336703289
the NSMB games have extremely sound gameplay. Call them rehashes all you want, but you have no leg to stand on trying to shit on them as actual video games
>>336702606
>video game design course
This is solely the problem, actually
>>336703470
>Young devs are responsible for Splatoon
Young as in young compared to Miyamoto. They're still middle aged 35-40+ year olds who worked for Nintendo for 10-20 years. They're still experienced game developers
>>336694203
>>Nintendo: uh-oh. Better not make a game like that ever again
>Paper Mario Thousand Year Door and Smash Bros Melee are the ones that pop in my mind.
Those are sequels idiot.
>>336706383
And they were great on their own merits, so people have been wanting a faithful follow-up that would add something fresh and more compelling to their core formula.
And it never really happened without radical drawbacks. Nobody wants something that's set back by something they didn't ask for.
Jusyo fukku watashi shittu up desu
>>336708052
>so people have been wanting a faithful follow-up that would add something fresh and more compelling to their core formula.
Again that's what TTYD and Melee are to Paper Mario and Super Smash Bros on the N64.
Nintendo tend to do these things in twos. Make an idea, refine it. reimagine or innovate it and then refine the reimagined entry and so on.
I'm aware people who have preference for one style will always resist the reimagined entries as they'd endlessly want Nintendo to create what they already made.
>>336693112
reggie?
>>336709367
Nintendo does things right twice. Completely fucks it up five
![[MYSOGINY INTENSIFIES].png](https://i.imgur.com/Hd1cZRq.png "[MYSOGINY INTENSIFIES].png")
>>336702606
>Most of the development team consists of kids who've just finished their video game design course
>Implying any developer would hire students straight out of college
If you were talking about indie pixel art games then you may be on to something, other than that though you're way off base.
>>336693112
>Not gonna say what my job is or which department I work in.
Rear Admiral Bullshit from the department of Asspulling.
>>336691026
Miyamoto, Kojima, Sakurai, Aonuma, Molyneux, Yamaoka, and Nomura are all senile bastards that just need to retire already.
>>336703424
that was iwata
What? You no rike Paper Mario with no partners? But I thought you riked Toad #247 and froating object with eyes.
>>336691026
The man is a legend, but I agree. His time has passed.
>>336693720
You just described boomers in general.
someone please explain in detail why people hate him
>he ruined this
>he ruined that
no one actually states what he DID to make so many people dislike him
>>336711157
Hateboner of the month.
>>336691026
It's a cultural thing. Japanese work until they die, and seniority > everything. You can't even be promoted until the person above you leaves or dies first. But when you compare their contribution to gaming history with western company's (garbage), it's more than worth it.
>>336694203
Nah. I really liked SPM, and I think Brawl and Smash 4 are great to their own.
I'm kind of glad that /v/ has moved away from being a Nintendo hugbox, but it seems the pro-Nintendo threads have simply been replaced with blatant shitposting. Can't we just do away with shitposting. Can't we juststop talking about Nintendo?
>>336693930
None of them?
>>336693930
Custom Robo
>>336691026
Didn't he die?
>>336691026
He will likely die before he retires. He's Japanese. This is how most of them do life.
>>336711361
>Miyamoto hired the Yakuza to kill Gunpei Yokoi so he'd have seniority over him.
>Miyamoto hired the Yakuza to poison Iwata because he got promoted over Miyamoto despite his seniority
>Miyamoto got one of the Yakuza to become head of Nintendo in return for all the people he's assassinated.
HOLY SHIT!
>>336711484
sure, but lets stop talking about sony, microsoft and pc gaming aswell.
Nintendo wouldnt be in this mess if treehouse never happend aswell as 1-2 more games for the wii u.
>>336691026
Who's this clown?
>>336693930
mother 3
mother series as a whole, but its their fault for shitty marketing and refusal to localize it.
I really like how people are saying Miyamoto ruined Paper Mario, when the only thing he did to the series was suggesting to make a different game from the previous games.
>>336711667
They made a Custom Robo for the DS and then shitcanned the series, I can't fucking figure out what they're thinking.
>>336711856
It's a Japanese Shigeru (female)
No he needs to fucking die. If he retires he'll probably still have some kind of influence on shit.
Nintendo really just needs fire all their top executives and get people who know what they're doing.
>>336712073
custom robo isn't even made by Nintendo, they just published them
besides, Virtual On and LBX is like 100x better in every single way
>>336712102
What's his story? He looks like a dressed down JAV actor.
>>336711667
>>336711157
He constantly steps into games mid-development and dumbs them the fuck down.
The perfect example is TP, which was gonna have a completely different fucking story that didn't even feature Ganon and was more combat oriented.
Then he stepped in and forced massive rewrites because the game was "too dark compared to Wind Waker" and the damage enemies dealt was literally cut in half and all the combat techniques were made optional crap that didn't matter.
>star fox adventures
No.
We don't know if it's him doing the ruining by himself.
Although I imagine he's playing a big hand in it.
>>336712461
Wasn't that Aonuma that did that shit?
>>336712338
>Not knowing who miyamoto is
this is a video games board
>Nintendo's too stagnant, they keep pumping out Mario and Zelda over and over!
>Nintendo won't rehash my favorite video game!
You all want Nintendo to be exactly the same, except they rehash the games you like instead of the games you don't. So why make Miyamoto retire?
>>336712461
this sounds interesting but i'm calling bullshit because I can't find anything on google
>>336712692
>thinking i'm serious
I understand if you did think I was serious though, but I was just fucking around.
>>336712232
Not him, but I fucking love Virtual-ON and the series is nearly standing on a similar fate, so I'll stand for Custom Robo too. I even voted for Ray MkIII in the Smash Ballot.
I mean, come the fuck on. Custom Robo was getting noticably more recognition in Brawl, but then the entire franchise stopped existing by Smash 4. CR amiibos would have been cool as shit too. Why did Nintendo even drop it completely?
>>336713146
>I was just pretending to be retarded!Please don't do that.
>>336712671
Not that anon, but I'm pretty sure it was a combination of both of them suddenly jerking the dev team around and making retarded changes.
>>336712973
I remember reading about it, but it's impossible for me to find because of the TP HD atrocity.
>>336712973
In 2005 a nintendo employee referred to miyamoto as a 'table flipper' during TP development. We all assumed he was trying to make a bad game good, but it turns out he was doing the opposite. Creating a longer dev cycle, cutting content and forcing motion controls
>>336712901
Precisely
>>336694623
>Kid Icarus Uprising
Did he specifically say he would never make another one? I figured he wouldn't do another soon since he ended up doing Smash 4 anyway.
>>336693930
pilotwings
motherfuckin wave race
a modern murasamejou would kick the shit out of bayo and dmc
>>336715297
>pilotwings
Isn't there one for the 3DS?
>>336710054
SARGEANT BULLSHIT FROM THE ASSPULLING DEPARTMENT FOR YOU, ANON
>>336715473
It's the dmc2 of pilotwings games. 64 was way better. It needs a new console release.
>>336691026
isn't this guy dead ?
>>336691026
yes, but dont disrespect the man. he literally made the games in your childhood.
>>336716301
>he literally made the games in your childhood.
you should write a book
>>336716301
>he literally made
If anything, he's more of a glorified play tester who lucked into the position when the president gave him a dirty job. His real trade was industrial design.
>>336711830
The problems go much MUCH deeper than that anon.
>>336716301
Takashi Tezuka made your childhood games but since Miyamoto was a cute cartoonist he got to be the public face that accepts responsibility. All he did was the kawaii booklet art
>>336717056
Just look at this guy. His shit has been fucked since before it was a meme. In japan, ugly people pay
>>336693720
>Nintendo doesn't like change
>Refuse to release a new entry in a franchise without something new to show for.
mk.
>>336717056
>All he did was the kawaii booklet art
considering im a graphic designer, fuck yeah!
>all these grammar-autism nazis
>>336694069
>>336696672
>>336712073
Modern Nintendo's design philosophy goes as such.
>fans want new game in series
Nintendo says:
>can we throw a gimmick at it?
Yes?
>make new game
No?
>leave it dead
What happens if it's made:
>We fucked up and the game sucks,has no depth, and is entirely based around the gimmick. But did it sell?
>Yes?
Continue to butcher series with gimmicks, casualization, oversimplification and give it no depth of/in control or mechanics.
>No?
Leave it dead forever, the fanbase clearly has no interest, and they're at fault as we're god and can do no wrong.
>Fanbase procedes to bitch
>Nintendo releases damage controlling marketing agencies everywhere instead of JUST MAKING A FUCKING SOLID GAME
Repeat ad infinitum until Mario is the only IP left.
>>336697083
I'm pretty sure Hirohiko Araki is the world record holder.
>>336720083
He has 10 years left in him
>>336720083
he is an immortal fairy prince
How do we go from this
>>336691026
He's clearly senile. So yeah.
>>336694476
He didn't invent videogames you retard
>>336720641
to this?
Yes.
>>336720641
He's a supervisor and nodman, and has never been a direct game creator, designer, coder, true tester, or programmer of any kind. The most he's done is give ideas and stories.
>>336720831
>The most he's done is give ideas and stories.
>lowering someones status because you dont like the game he made
kys. he pretty much DOES all that
>>336720772
>I genuinely liked Nintendogs
>>336720831
He can stop and change the development of any game. As a supervisor and nodman he has too much power. Thats why he needs to get out. He meddles in other peoples projects to match his artistic ideas. Which game will he fuck up next
>>336721283
You're seriously retarded arent you? Do you honestly believe Miyamoto makes games?
>>336721476
i never said that. what i implied was that he assists in all of that. which does make him valuable. kys
>>336721336
And I love Wii sports and enjoy bowling and golfing regularly. But it is what it is and Nintendo needs to be more than Miyamoto's senior citizen projects
>>336712901
>sequels with actual thought put into them are now rehashes because Nintendo makes them
>>336721634
He's never assisted coding
He's never assisted programming
He's never been a games tester outside of being a nodman
He's never been a level/area/control designer
You're damage controlling for a man that's simply inserted ideas into games. YOU kill yourself tumblrette. Give one provable instance in which he's done any of that.
He's a nodman and an idea guy, that does NOT mean he assists any of that. Backpedal more faggot.
>>336714286
yup. Sakurai said in an interview how he doesn't like making sequels, because he thinks games should stand on their own. This is also the reason he stopped making kirby games.
so google Shigeru Miyamoto games and it'll give you a timeline. You can see Nintendo start off strong, then suddenly in 2001 they just fuck everything up.
At this point Nintendo has been making fucked up versions of analog games longer than they made analog video game. If they didnt want to do so many rehashes they shouldve made some new IPs
>>336721896
How do you know he never has? Were you there?
Why would they respect the man for no reason? Not all of his ideas are good, and they have no reason to make his bad ideas.
Not everyone is a hack. I'm sure if Sakurai knows how to make games, Miyamoto does too. Use some common sense, instead of wiki articles faggot
kys
>>336722160
>Melee
>Luigi's Mansion
>Pikmin
>Sunshine
>Wind Waker
>bad
>>336722160
Knowing Star Fox Adventures used to be Dinosaur Planet as well as the fact that he didn't like the graphics in DKC, he may as well be the reason why Rare gave in to Microsoft.
>>336691026
No. Now stop polluting this board.
>>336722481
It was obvious sabotage. Rare was outperforming Nintendo with their own IPs. Microsft gave Nintendo an offer they couldn't refuse? I doubt that, they hawked them off so Nintendo could get away with sub par games
He needs to have more control, or just be given a small team to make more original games and just cut him off from the rest of Nintendo.
More Miyamoto control = Metroid Prime
Less Miyamoto control = Sticker Star
>>336692763
nintendo has plenty of new blood. the problem with nintendo is that their new blood fucking sucks
you know which (non-casual) games miyamoto is credited as being a designer/director for in the last 20 years? mario galaxy 1, mario 64 and ocarina of time. and those games were fucking fantastic. on the rest of nintendo's recent efforts, he's just a producer, which in video game terms is basically like being a product manager: no creative input at all.
meanwhile, the people who are doing the actual creative work are people like fujibayashi, aka the guy who shat out zelda: phantom hourglass and skyward sword
i say nintendo need to put their veterans back in directing roles. except sakamoto, he's clearly losing it
>>336722836
The mind of the average retard is a fascinating thing.
>>336722892
You have those two backwards. You have as such reached the opposite conclusion.
>>336712014
No, they just think that Mother hit its apex and doesn't need to go further. Itoi specifically doesn't want another Mother.
>>336723007
Ah, i see that you are still an unaware mongo. Good to know
>>336720083
>That one phase in your un-life where you were a female.
>>336723007
Miyamoto hounded Retro's ass, and Metroid Prime came out as one of the best Nintendo games of all time, a worthy sequel to Super Metroid.
Sticker Star barely had any input from Miyamoto. The creators showed him a demo of it, and he basically said "aren't you just recreating TTYD like this? Try something new" and fucked off. Thus Sticker Star.
>>336693325
Making your games family friendly isn't a bad thing, especially since they always have been. It's only bad if you make a franchise bend over half way through to do it.
I for one actually enjoy family friendly games like smash a lot just because they have a nice whimsy to them other games don't. It's relaxing really.
>>336722160
There's not a single bad game on that list, other than Star Fox Adventures.
Other than that, the worst is Yoshi's Story, a 6/10, and Luigi's Mansion, a 7/10.
>>336720772
>Casual games he directed to appeal to his children
>Amazing games on there, like the Galaxy games
>Ignoring the shovelware, the worst game on that list is Brawl, and that was made by Mashedpotato Samurai.
>>336691026
Blaming Miyamoto for everything is something only a simple minded parrot would do.
Videogames are created by multiple people, composed by creatives, programmers and artists. They go trough multiple brainstorming and revision sessions. The producer and the director only have a small role in the whole process, sometimes even marginal.
If you think one man can be blamed for how a game is, you are clinically retarded. And spare me the usual "japanese people have more respect of their elder bosses" crap.
If you want to use Miyamoto as an easy scapegoat, go on. But don't cry if you sound like a total retard with zero clue about game development.
>>336709637
Y-you called?
>>336724171
Sounds like youve never had a boss before. Those people follow the director and create what they want.
