FF1: A group of adventurers restore the power of four elemental orbs which calms and heals a once chaotic and dying world, and close an infinite time loop.
FF2: Survivors of an Imperial attack join a resistance movement and eventually kill the Emperor. Not accepting defeat, the dead Emperor wages war on Hell and returns to the mortal coil as the King of Darkness.
FF3: A group of youths chosen by crystals must work with a paralell dimension to balance the forces of Light and Dark before both are destroyed.
FF4: A conflicted knight and his entourage uncover a conspiracy to steal the world's crystals and discover an ancient civilization on the moon.
FF5: A world is temporally split to seal an ancient evil who plans to reduce everything to non-existence, a group of adventurers untangle the dimensions and restore the world to it's true form.
FF6: A meglomaniacal psychopath throws the balance of magic out of place, scars the planet, and forces a resistance group to destroy the source of all magic.
FF7: An eco-terrorist group tracks the spectre of a former elite soldier who is under the influence of an ancient space alien that intends to absorb the 'blood' of the
planet by summoning a giant meteor to threaten it.
FF8: A powerful sorceress attempts to cheat fate by compressing time into one moment using the unique abilities of a girl who can project people into the past,
and is subsequently killed by a group of child soldiers who only became soldiers because of her actions.
FF9: A spirit tree created to process alien souls is implanted to prevent rebirth of a planet's souls. A pair of grim reapers from outer space are the custodians, but one of the reapers doesn't know it, everyone has an existential crisis.
FF10: A dream manifests as a blond fuccboi and ecourages a spiritual mortician to end a cycle of perpetual violence on the world.
Ok?
they all sound pretty dumb
>Not including the plot of Final Fantasy Tactics, the greatest and most mature story of all the FF entries.
>>336652426
t. westerncuck
>>336652118
Why did you stop on X?
>>336652118
It's been a while since I've seen this posted.
>>336652724
because Square did
>>336652643
they probably seem pretty impressive if you've never read anything more involved than the back of a cereal box, but really, they aren't
>>336652631
>Final Fantasy Tactics
>Greatest and most mature story
>NotFFX-3.Kick the blitzbomb, Tidus. :^)
>>336652802
They are very complex and intricate for a videogame series. It's difficult to produce engaging narratives in such a format. They can't be as short as a movie, nor as long as many novels.
I haven't played many games that are as deep as many books I have read, but being deep isn't itself a good thing either. FFVII was definitely impressive for its time, whatever the case.
>>336652643
even DQ has more interesting stories and they don't even try hard, I get that false dichotomies are the only way /v/ can handle an opposing opinion but at least put an iota of thought in your posts
>>336652981
It's X-2.5 retard.
>>336652981
That's 2.5, they haven't done 3 yet.
>>336653095
DQ is for kids. Stop forcing that shit in every FF thread. It's Saturday morning cartoons.
>>336652118
> A dream manifests as a blond fuccboi
>>336652631
I always wanted to play Tactics but could never really get into it
>>336652118
>who is under the influence of an ancient space alien
Geez, you people still exist?
Man, 2's plot sounds like one of the more interesting ones from the early games.
Too bad they fucked it up with that level system.
But which version of 2 should i play if I ever want to force myself through it?
>>336653592
PSP
>I got sent to hell, so I made satan my bitch
FF2 big bad sounds much better than the rest.
>>336654013
he really was, I think of all FF's 2 and 8 could benefit the most from modern remakes.
Those systems really deserve reexamination
FFXII
Ambitious empires and kingdoms clash. Leaders and scientists conspire with a rebel God to end the rule of the old Gods and free mankind. The group lead by the rightful heir of an invaded kingdom must make the decision to destroy her enemies by becoming a puppet of the old Gods.
>>336654587
for all the shit I give ffx, Tidus actually grew on me as a character. It was refreshing to not have a brooding MC
>>336654587
Fuck this. Fuck this man. It's time to make the case for Tidus. Hear me out you fucks.
Tidus is geniunely a great guy. He gets a lot of shit because of his design but his personality is actually great. The guy suffered as a kid. He was abducted from his home where he was a famous Blitzball player only to end up in some shitty world with racist Blitzball players. What does Tidus do with the situation? Does he bend and give up? Does he moan and cry? No. Tidus becomes a fucking role model for the rest of the party. The guy has clearly suffered but he's not going to let that bring down other people. His sense of optimism and unity is what brings the party together and makes them defeat Sin. He also scores some virgin Summoner booty and does so by being his natural charming self. Tidus is a great guy.
>>336654587
>>336654965
>re:mcmangoes
>>336655060
>WRPG
>posts a Japanese RPG
Shit, someone better call CDPR and tell them Witcher 3 is a JRPG.
how do you guys pronounce tidus:
tie-dus
or
tee-dus
>>336655559
Tittus.
But replace T with D. It's Roman.
>>336654793
>It was refreshing to not have a brooding MC
Fucking this. There are certainly things that warrant poking fun at in the game, but I've always felt that FFX had some of the best characters of the mainline series, and I think it was because of something as simple as typcial personality types being role-swapped -- the peppy goofball went from sidekick to protagonist, while the grim ex-militant became a mentor/caretaker. The brooding asshole was a hot chick. The love interest was a lot less spunky and independent.
And then there was Wakka. Good ole' racist, tactless, backwoods, bible-thumping Wakka.
It might've been that some of these personality-role combinations were present in previous games (I've never played 5, 6, or 8), but from my memory the longer list of titles had casts that tended towards much less variety in this regard.
>>336655559
Used to say "tie-dus", but since hearing "tee-dus" in Kingdom Hearts, I've stuck to that.
>>336655297
congratulations, you responded to bait
>>336655559
https://youtu.be/hMsKu-UoEXg?t=12m9s
Like how Wakka does here
>>336655559
The latter is the "correct" version used in the Dissidia games.
>>336655760
https://youtu.be/nacbhfnzZg0?t=16s
what now brah
>>336655872
Wakka did it first so just go with that
>>336652118
>FF8: A powerful sorceress attempts to cheat fate by compressing time into one moment using the unique abilities of a girl who can project people into the past,
>and is subsequently killed by a group of child soldiers who only became soldiers because of her actions.
10/10 it was all over the place.
>FF9: A spirit tree created to process alien souls is implanted to prevent rebirth of a planet's souls. A pair of grim reapers from outer space are the custodians, but one of the reapers doesn't know it, everyone has an existential crisis.
2001: A Final Fantasy Odyssey
>>336655406
is there somewhere i can get higher res versions of all these, they're super nice
>>336655559
Being able to name the main character in a voiced game is retarded, because no one will be able to say his name and if they did we wouldn't have this discussion.
I can't remember, did anyone say his name in x-2 or was he only 'he' or 'him' ?
>>336652981
>Nobles kill a guy's sister.
>Vows revenge.
>Becomes king.
>"I'll use my kingship for good!"
>Manipulates the princess how his sister was made a pawn.
>They kill each other.
>Fucking tragedy.
Also something about evil Jesus but it's Joan of Arc who the fuck cares I just spammed Cid's lightning move.
Gooks should really stop using time shenanigans to explain everything.
It never makes sense and always looks bad.
>>336656172
Delita survived the attack
>>336656129
the latter
>>336653045
No, they lack depth. You have mistaken 2deep4u for bullshit. FF games kick ass at being nonsense, but they have character arcs.
>>336654965
Tidus is a bro and I was surprised to find out the internet hated him after I beat 10.
>>336654965
Protagonists should never be pictures of mental health.
>>336656348
They have quite a bit of depth, and are comparable to any of their contemporaries right up until the first HD consoles hit. There are more intricate plots, of course, but there are far, far more that are simpler.
>>336653515
Same.
So many failed starts.
>>336656041
http://fr.locita.com/cultures/une-serie-daffiches-pour-les-25-ans-de-final-fantasy-106417/
I ought to make a new collage really.
>>336656573
Okay, you have mistaken complexity for depth.
>>336656348
A lot of western games can be defined as that too. E.g., Bioshock, Mass Effect, Etc.
None of the FF girls have cute feet. Shit series.
>>336656172
>They kill each other.
I thought you were wrong, so I check the cutscene on YouTube.
Holy shit, I haven't beaten this game since I was in middle school. How the fuck did I not noticeDelita gets stabbed by Ovelia first?
>>336656254
Damn, I was really hoping that other Anon was right.
>>336656680
They go hand in hand with one another. Complex plots tend to have more depth than simpler ones.
>>336656680
FF games aren't complex. But they do have depth. Only a brain-dead murrican would be confused by the story in an FF game. It's fairly straightforward.
>>336656771
>"single-handedly"
>there were four of him
Also, how did they explain away Warrior of Light not roflstomping Chaos in Dissidia?
>>336656609
thank you kindly
>>336656609
>http://fr.locita.com/cultures/une-serie-daffiches-pour-les-25-ans-de-final-fantasy-106417/
Shit, I need these in hi-res. AUGH.
>>336652118
I'd pay a lot of money for a FF8 spin-off featuring Laguna's crew.
>>336653515
Figuring out the interface is like ramming your face into brick wall, the difficult curve right at the start is a vertical spike, and once you get past that the extremely unbalanced classes can make the game borderline unwinnable or a total cakewalk.
I can understand liking the game, but calling it a masterpiece or the greatest game ever made or anything like that is just baffling to me.
>>336656771
WoL from dissidia isn't the FF1 protagonist but some clone of a scientist that became a moogle.
>>336657153
I should replay Dissidia at some point and dive into the secret reports. I remember the lore being totally batshit insane.
>>336656809
Not in FF's case.
>>336656832
>Only a brain-dead murrican would be confused by the story in an FF game. It's fairly straightforward.
Delicious bait.
>>336657234
It's stupid as fuck Cosmos is a clone of the the scientists waifu and chaos is their adopted clone son. And they fight because Chaos has to become stronger to rip apart dimensions so they can return to their home and live as a family. Dissidia has a retarded plot.
>>336656993
The highest res I could find.
https://society6.com/product/vintage-ff-poster-x_print#1=45
>Square
>A group of four adventurers journey the earth to put an end to an ancient evil that has absorbed the powers of the four elemental crystals
>A young man goes adventuring through the past, present, and future with a group of odd friends to save the world from an ever-growing thread of a chaotic god
>Two floating continents are at eternal war using their religious influence and battle mechs, spreading their dominance over the land dwellers below, culminating in a final battle
>Ancient man gained mastery over mana, angering their gods who sent beasts to destroy their race, before being saved by a mysterious ancient hero who seals his power away in his blade
>A brave samurai legend is transported to the future, and called upon to save the kingdom and princess from destruction by utilizing his abilities to absorb enemy capabilities
>Enix
>Hit it big with Dragon Quest, and sat on the franchise, releasing a new one every other year, before merging with Square to become one company
Tell me again how Enix was the better company, fanboys. Pro tip: You can't.
>>336652118
>FF9: A spirit tree created to process alien souls is implanted to prevent rebirth of a planet's souls. A pair of grim reapers from outer space are the custodians, but one of the reapers doesn't know it, everyone has an existential crisis.
That's definitely not how I'd summarize it but decent job for the others.
More like:
>FF9: a band of thieves posing as a theatre troup kidnap a princess from a queen on the warpath who is being manipulated by a homonculus from another dimension.
>>336657407
Not him, but wait, all that shit actually happens? I thought I must've read that in some terrible fanfic or something. That's hilarious.
>>336657259
Yes in FF's case. They tend to be well-made and executed plotwise. They were flagship titles in the day precisely because they concentrated on developing an engaging, deep plot.
>>336657440
>Tell me again how Enix was the better company
It isn't DQ has some of the most boring plots and combat mechanics in any jrpg. It literally sells on nostalgia alone.
>Zid-ahn
>Tee-dus
>>336657440
>Tell me again how Enix was the better company, fanboys.
They aren't. But they made Dragon Quest Monsters, so they're alright.
>>336657565
If you were correct, Inception would be GOAT.
>>336657554
>I thought I must've read that in some terrible fanfic
Welcome to Dissidia Duodecim.
>>336656254
Ramza...What Did You Get?
I...
>>336657646
That's a total non-sequitur. Congratulations.
>>336657565
You also know that just because something is flagship does not necessarily mean that it is good. It does not imply any kind of quality, however deserving of praise it may be.
>>336657705
Vagrant Story confirms he lived.
In any case, that was when he realized he could not have his cake and eat it too. He actually did love Ovelia, but she was paranoid that she was next to die. She had every reason to believe so
>>336657763
It was being discussed whether the games had depth. Inception has no bearing on the discussion.
I don't care if you don't like it. Your metric of quality is no more valid than anyone else's.
FF6 is missing the whole "Kefka becomes God" aspect.
>FF10: You play as Kevin Costner in Waterworld and constantly lose at a crappy sport minigame
FUCK 10. FUCK THAT STUPID GAME TO HELL. 7 and 8 are infinitely better than that pile of garbage.
>>336657414
>https://society6.com/product/vintage-ff-poster-x_print#1=45
Wow, thanks. I might actually buy a print from this guy. FFX looks too good.
>>336657886
Yes but it was mentioned complex stories tend to have depth, but that's just not so. You'd agree that even though it's merely a game story it certainly deserves to compete with Hollywood, which is old and about to go extinct.
Your metric of quality can be whatever you like, but I figure you deserve better than false depth.
>>336657895
Kefka is the Cloud of Darkness of FF6. He just has a longer screen time.
>>336657850
>He actually did love Ovelia, but she was paranoid that she was next to die. She had every reason to believe so
This is my favorite part of FFT's ending. It's pretty sad, but Delita completely deserved it. The fucker turned into the very thing he had hated so much, and lost sight of how it affected those close to him -- the very way it would have, and did affect him in his youth.
Oh yeah, and did Olan ever actually see Ramza's sister outside of the ending? I'd like to believe they survived, but I've always assumed Olan was just imagining things somehow.
>>336658072
Of course it is so. Complex stories tend to have more depth than those that do not. That is usually why they end up complex. I did not say that it deserves to compete with Hollywood, in fact I said that they can't be compared for obvious reasons. Comparing a videogame plot to a movie plot is like comparing a novel to a movie. They are different mediums, with different forms of expression. They can't be held to the same metric.
>>336658308
Yeah but wouldn't it be nice if gamers could point to FF8 and go "That shit right there is better than anything Hollywood has put out in the last 10 years."
I remade the collage from earlier in higher res.
>>336658702
I see now that my MS Paint precision is that of a blind goose.
>>336656363
I felt the same. I mean he had some annoying moments, but overall he seemed like a fine character to me. Maybe he was just too optimistic for people to want him as a main character? But Zidane was kinda like that too, right? I dunno, man.
>>336658702
>Lightning is the only character on the XIII picture
Fang and even fucking Vanille deserve that 10x more than Lightning.
>>336659016
Walking plot devices don't deserve nothing. Serah and Noel would be more appropriate.
>>336658991
The whole anti-Tidus shit began with the Internet becoming normal and people watched that HAHAH clip on Youtube without context. And then it catched on like a meme.
>>336659096
>Serah and Noel would be more appropriate.
I mos def agree about Serah for XIII, but wouldn't Noel only be appropriate for XIII-2 specifically? I ask because I haven't gotten around to finishing it yet, so I'm not sure if the time shenaniggery somehow retroactively involves him in XIII's story.
>>336652631
>A noble-born squire rejects his lineage and raises an army to fight against a corrupt church and group of demons who incite wars to revive their lord.
So.. is Type-0 Gilgamesh the canon origins of the FFV one?
>>336659169
Even with context it was pretty bad, mostly because of the voice acting, but so many good things have at least one bad moment in them. I can forgive it, to be sure.
>>336659203
This is the XIII-2 poster.
Any summary for the story of FFXI?
>>336655696
In Kingdom hearts 2 Selphie calles him Tie-dus
Don't think we heard how its pronounced since Dissidia.
>>336659554
Are there any more? Maybe a X-2 one?
>>336656771
>2007
>Dissidia is almost 10 years old
>>336659714
https://society6.com/buddyiris213/prints?show=new&page=1
>>336659554
>Almost didn't notice Noel
The artist shoulda' incorporated Serah's crystal prison from XIII in a similar fashion, but I won't hold that against him since this XIII-2 one is a lot betterjust like the actual games.
>>336659554
Caius and Yeul on the cover! Yay!
>>336652118
hey that looks fun, here's my predictions for future ff titles:
FF16: The king of fire destroys the realm of ice, the king of ice has an affair with the queen of earth, the king of earth commits suicide, the queen of wind profits from the war and instability, and the child of light who is destined to balance the elemental forces is killed half way through the game, leaving his bodyguards to clean up the mess and wonder if they were any better off than when they started.
FF17: An invincible geomancer brutally assassinates certain individuals with a connection to the four elements, so that he may realign them for the purposes of killing himself, but a party of his victim's children turn the tables and cause him to be reborn as a moogle.
FF18: A group of retired soldiers are hired by a master clockmaker named Garland to seal a multidimensional rift created by one of his grandfather clocks, but one of the dimensions becomes more stable than their reality, setting the plot for FF1.
FF19: There's a giant brain inside the planet that forces unwitting groups of humans and monsters against each other for its own amusement.
FF20: A warrior from the past murders people from the future to prevent any of them from traveling back and undoing a bargain made by their ancestors to postpone all of winter until the end of time.
FF21: A sentient program halts a group of young idealists from freeing humanity from their dreamlike prison, as the people "stuck" inside are there on their own free will, because it's the only means of trapping three colossal espers that would otherwise eat all of humanity.
>>336652802
>One sentence summaries are the entirety of a game's story
>>336659931
Is it worth suffering through XIII-2 for Yeul?
>>336659995
As the only Yeulfag out there, I can't recommend it. It's a hard flavor to get used to.
>>336660118
Shame. I really like her design. A lot of things went wrong with the XIII-series. The designs didn't.
>>336652118
Exdeath wasn't very ancient.
>>336660314
She's kinda cute, she really is a tragic figure along with Caius. But XIII-2 is more enjoyable with the pet system and slightly tweaked battle system. The story is pants on head retarded but I love it, then again all time travel stories are.
>>336654965
What's the matter? You gonna cry again?
How does such an alpha father raise such a pussy son?
>>336660647
By not raising him at all.
>>336660675
REKT THE JECHT
>>336660675
>single mom household
>bedwetting crybaby manchild
Sounds about right.
>>336660647
>Jecht
>fails to defeat Yu Yevon, becomes Sin.
>Tidus
>Punches Sin in the face with a huge laser cannon, defeats Yu Yevon for good
Who is the bigger pussy now?
>>336660751
Tidus.
>>336660751
Jecht: 6'3
Tidus: 5'9
Jesus, are we sure this manlet twink is even Jecht's actual son? His whore mother was probably just trying to trap a famous Blitzball player that fucked her once.
Am I a nostalgia fag for still thinking 6 is the best one?
>>336660920
Everyone is allowed to have their favorites. Nostalgiafags are the ones that insist that their favorite is better than ones that are objectively better.
Like claiming 6 is better than 7.
This is what happens when you don't have a father figure in your life.
>>336652981
>Kick the blitzbomb, Tidus. :^)
You honestly still believe in this?
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2.5_~Eien_no_Daish%C5%8D~
>>336659947
underrated post
>>336659947
I like the planet brain one.
>>336661267
>They explore the forest hoping to find a clue on how to return home when a ball rolls towards them. Tidus mistakes it as a blitzball and runs towards it while looking around for its owner. It explodes, killing Tidus and Yuna passes out from the shock.
>>336659947
FF21 sounds like some nihilistic dystopia.
>>336661267
What the fuck happened to SE? Did everyone suddenly stop giving a shit the moment Sakaguchi exited the building?
>>336661764
Note how he's not kicking it.
It's a fucking dumb thing anyhow.
>>336661881
Nojima is old as fuck SE employee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazushige_Nojima
>>336661267
Did you even read your link? The blitzbomb is real
>>336661989
Sakaguchi kept these fools in check. He was basically the quality control of SE before they forced him out.
>>336662323
>He was basically the quality control of SE before they forced him out.
>>336662484
Nice Reddit frog
>>336653515
All Isometric TRPG's are trash.
Try Shining Force 2 instead, it's much better than Final Fantasy Tactics.
>>336662654
If he was the quality control of Square how did he ever let Spirits Within happen?
If he was the quality control why the hell is everything that he did after leaving become nothing but mediocrity at best?
>>336662323
>implying Sakaguchi wasn't an idiot as well
Under the advice of a fortune teller he moved the Squaresoft office away from Tokyo, to a place that made it impossible for I think either Amano or Uematsu to commute; the reason he quit and became a contractor (they both did this which is why I can't remember which the story pertains to).
Squaresoft, and indeed everything it produced prior to the merger, was the bizarre result of vector addition; the retardation of each creative force added together and cancelled eachother out. As staff left the company this equilibrium shifted back into the retard danger zone.
Here's a simplified diagram.
>>336662756
That blowup co-pilot is the best out there. What a womanizer.
>>336662976
>Under the advice of a fortune teller
That was Wada.
>>336662756
Lost Odyssey was great though.
>>336662976
And here's roughly where we're at now.
>>336663072
>Lost Odyssey was great though.
It was completely mediocre aside from the short stories which were written by an author. Makes me question why they just didn't get him to write the whole thing.
>>336653141
Does this actually happen?
>>336663371
He doesn't kick it, but yes he gets blown up by a bomb disguised as a blitzball.
>>336659549
In context, he isn't actually laughing,
that isn't how it sounds when he laughs,
it's an awkward forced laugh, to try to get Yuna to laugh.
The voice acting for it is fine, it gets across what was meant to get across
>>336659947
FF19 sounds like Final Fantasy Legend except it's a god and he lives on a tower.
>>336659947
>No crystals
brufamaluh
I hate the everliving fuck of of XIII, but Caius is the best FF villain with no contest.
>>336657954
>he doesn't curbstomp everybody in blitzball
>he doesn't control the players manually
shiggus diggus
>>336658209
Olan saw them. Then he released his report, which got him fucking BURNED AT THE STAKE by the church for being a heretic.
The video game is basically Oran's history being refound and introduced to the world by his ancestor, who is the narrator and the guy in the tutorial.
>>336657954
>he didn't get the move that makes you win every blitzball game easy mode
>>336654582
Come to think of it, the XII and XIII protagonists had a bad habit of doing exactly what the main villains wanted them to do. The actual hard work was usually done by someone else.
>>336666501
Well they were pretty much puppets in XIII. In XII, Vayne didn't calculate for Ashe finding the Treaty Blade. Though it is true that the party were puppets of the Occuria.
>>336652426
>>336652643
>>336652802
>>336653045
>>336656348
and so forth...
I'll add my 2 cents and say that Final Fantasy, like a lot of JRPGs and hell, Japanese games/culture in general is highly symbolic and/or implied. They broach broad, philosophical topics but then don't particularly delve into the specifics or even fully resolve plot arcs a lot of the time. If you read in between the lines and filter out all the more absurd elements there's some good stuff, but at times you have to look so deeply that it becomes debatable whether the meaning found was specifically intended by the developer or just blends with all the other broad brushstrokes. In other words, a lot of the meaning of FF games comes from the player himself; it's more of a tool or a supplement than a full-on guide or manual.
>>336666949
He did expect it to a certain extent. Their access to instant special snowflake nukes was one of the reasons why Dalmasca and Nabradia got invaded.
>>336663459
It wasn't even that. If it was that, it'd still be awkward, verging on cringeworthy which is why there are still people who think that even with "context"
Tidus literally comes from a world where he would never have had to fake a laugh, or act like everything's alright, because he not only "lived" in an era vastly more opulent and pampered than the standard of living in Spira, he was the fucking son of a famous athlete, set for life, living on his own, and the equivalent of a child star himself. It makes sense that it sounded stilted and awkward EVEN FOR A FAKE LAUGH, BECAUSE HE'S NEVER HAD TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE and hell, he probably even thinks the very notion is kinda ridiculous.
The whole point of Tidus as a character was to provide a contrast to the joyless, duty-bound world of Spira; to prove that indulging every one in a while, even sometimes to excess isn't intrinsically destructive, nor is constant self-sacrifice and penance categorically moral or correct.
I can't stand Tidus and (You)na. It's a shame such a decent battle system along with Auron and Lulu were wasted on such a shit game.
>>336658991
It's not a mutually exclusive concept. Zack Fair was a goofy and upbeat protagonist and people still cried at the end of his game even though they knew it was coming.
Tidus and Zidane were just shit characters.
>>336669280
Zidane was fun as fuck. Glad I'm not a humorless fuck like you.
What is your unpopular Final Fantasy opinion?
tell me about occuria, why do they rule the world?
>>336653280
Well those Saturday morning cartoons happen to have more well thought out stories than FF. Just so you know.
>>336669949I think Squall is the best FF protageven after meeting and getting close to Riona
>>336669949
FF VIII is the best final fantasy made
>>336669949
Squall is probably my favourite Final Fantasy protagonist.
>>336652631
>spin-offs
Hey, might as well include Mystic Quest, Seiken Densetsu, and Sa·Ga.
>>336670404
>unpopular opinion
If you said Firion, Luneth, or you know, any other FF protag whose game didn't sell zillions, then it'd be unpopular.
>>336670264
They don't want to, they always did.
>>336652118
After 6 all story is driven and intrinsecally tied to special snowflake main cast, and that's only an assumption based on your recaps. (Yes i know Terra also counts, but it's a lot less "on your face" on act ll)
Thanks for proving my assumptions right, i guess.
>>336670302
Not really. FFIX is just as light-hearted as DQ but it has actual substance beneath the cheerful world and character designs. DQ is pretty much intended for the 6-13 audience. I won't defend FFXIII though.
>>336655559
It's "tied-us" as in the ocean's tides. Since FF6 (save for 9, as for that game they wanted a return to the old days of FF, and 12, as the goal for that game was to break the traditional FF mold) they've had a tradition of naming the protagonist after a natural phenomenon. Terra, Cloud, Squall (a storm), Tidus (the tide), Lightning. Now it looks like they're bucking this trend again for FF15, with didn't surprise me as they're trying out a new direction for the series.
>>336671231
Noctis, Noct for night. So it's still relevant really. There is also Luna.
BUY MY SWORD
>>336671425
>Luna
Her actual name is Lunafreya, though. But Noctis does double duty: his royal House is called "Caelum" (heavens).
>>336652631
>Greatest and most mature story is just Matsuno cut and pasting sections of Tactics Ogre
>>336669949
Not an opinion, but I have more hours in XIII than any other FF game, and I've played all the mainline titles sans MMOs
>>336671832
Disgusting.
>>336671832
I'm still trying to finish the damn game
>>336652118
Emperor sounds like a cool guy
also needs more time travel desu
>>336671874
If it's any consolation, my team leader is alwaysFangrather than Lightning
>>336671773
Well Matsuno also did TO so it's fair game really.
>>336669949
Galuf is the only good character in the entire series aside fromGilgamesh
>>336669949
VIII is my favourite, followed by XII IZJS, can barely contain my hype for XV
>>336669949
FF2 > FF3 > FF1
>>336671874
Not him, but I ended up enjoying the XIII trilogy more than most FFs. It's got a ton of flaws and Toriyama should be never let near any FF again, but the speedy battle system and no shitty random encounters make it reasonably fun to replay at least.
>>336672045
My nigger. I'd swap XII and VIII, but yeah, pretty much.
>>336672018
I'd have liked it more if they picked the superior Law Route Denam as the protag base instead of the wishy washy Chaos one.
>>336669949
II is pretty good
I like all of the Final Fantasy games. They were all fun in their own way. Also Chocobo Tales is the shit.
>>336672102
Lore-wise it wasn't that bad either. The worst part was that it was hidden behind several thousands of words in the game's encyclopedias
>>336669949
I didn't like 12. It was boring.
>>336672595
Agreed. At least they got it out of the datalog in the sequels.
>>336655127
I once had 7 tabs of it running at the same time. Turns out that it doesn't actually make a difference when it's been paulstretched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL-uZxqN8_k
>>336672668
Thats not an unpopular opinion about FFXII.
>>336655559
Teedus is correct because that's how Japs would say it, but if you aren't a Jap then you should say it as Tiedus because it sounds like "tide" which goes with all the water in the game and also sounds like Roman emperor Titus. Teedus should only be used in wallpaper threads.
>>336672789
13 Was fun for me. The game's cutscenes were short and evenly paced whereas with 12 it was something like..
>some boring cutscene of Vaan
>do some chores
>go try out a side quest
>do sidequests
>some new characters and politics
>do sidequests
>come back to main story after a few hours (you forgot what happened)
>some politics
>you are on a airship and politics
>do sidequests for a gorillion hours
>>336672789
>>336672668
Because the version that actually makes FF12 fun to play never made it to the west. Classes, all gambits unlocked and fast forward really does a big difference. It sold me on FFXII.
>>336656238
when western CRPG games stop sounding like they are all happening in Fantasy California or a slum.
so never.
>>336672984
Some of us have memories longer than a few hours, anon. XIII actually had too many pointless cutscenes, though XIII-2 fixed that problem.
>>336669949
Vaan was a pretty cool guy
What's with the hate for DQ? I personally like the series more than FF, but that doesn't mean that I think FF is trash and DQ has no faults. I would like to see DQ with a more complex, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy the relatively simple plots of the DQ games so far. One thing that I find a lot in the series is that each town seems to have it's own story to it and doesn't involve games overall plot to much. Each town has a problem and you are there to solve it in someway. These towns become very independent and separated from each other because of this. This also makes them feel much more unique to me, but it also makes me feel like an errand boy at times. I go to a new town and I feel like I have to find the problem and just fix it. This works in some of the games like DQ3 (you feel like you are exploring the world and going on a grand adventure while gradually finding clues on the big bad of the game) while in others like DQ9 it just feels like a chore. Anyways I wish DQ can keep it's gameplay and take a little from FF's story telling. Just a little though.
>>336669949
I don't like FF7, 8, 10, and 13. My favorites are FF3 and 12. I think Lightning is an idiot and the worse FF protagonist. I also like Vaan even though his spray painted abs make me laugh.
>>336659947
I thought 21 was just a reverse Matrix until you mentioned the espers.
Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
>>336673635
Psycho-Zaku?
>>336671517
NO, THIS PAINT
>>336673516
Nothing bad with DQ. It just gets obnoxious when we have the same DQ fans in every FF thread being mad that FF steals all the spotlight. DQ is fine really for what it is.
What's the most challenging final fantasy? I'm a huge fag and I enjoy games that kick my shit in like SMT.
>>336674118
The NES games I guess.
>>336673747
TAKE YOUR LAST BREAD
>>336655559
Tee-dus. This is confirmed.
>>336674118
Tactics if you're shit at planning. That said, the SMT games haven't been difficult since SNES.
>>336654793
>>336655696
Zidane exists, you know
>>336652802
They look especially more impressive when you compare them with all the dumb and generic stories the west game devs made for their games.
>>336674118
pre-VI FFs
Tactics
4 Heroes of Light
>>336652118
I miss when FF was just about traveling through fantasy lands and getting crystals
>>336670353
Me too.
>>336669949
I feel like Final Fantasy 7 is easy as fuck and boring to play, but the story is fine.
FF4 is garbage, FF6 story is retarded and terrible.
I find Final Fantasy 2 to be one of the most interesting entries for the gameplay alone.
Final Fantasy 8 had the best soundtrack in this series.
Final Fantasy 12 is tied with Final Fantasy 9 for the best FF game.
Final Fantasy 10 story wasn't really bad, although the game itself is as easy as FF7.
Final Fantasy 15 story looks like is going to be shit.
Final Fantasy 13 is the worst game in the series.
Final Fantasy Type-0 is one of the worst spinoffs.
>>336659835
I'm crying right here I never asked for this feel. Oh god hold me so much time has passed and it ends like this well at least Dissidia was fun.
Holy fucking shit
>>336674840
Go into more detail on why you hate FF4 and FF6
>>336674840
>Final Fantasy 8 had the best soundtrack in this series.
>Final Fantasy 13 is the worst game in the series.
Popular opinion
>>336652118
Off by one on FF7, Jenova was being influenced by Sephiroth which is why bits of her body keep manifesting as him.
>>336674118
The after years
>>336674789
The first half of FFXV is traveling the world and getting magic nukes.
>>336674884
#rekt
>>336669949
I really don't like Sephiroth as a villain, mostly because he's an evil warlock type of bad guy but his design has absolutely nothing to do with it and just looks distracting
I like him well enough before the Nibelheim Incident and in Crisis Core though
>>336674118
4 Heroes of Light.
Endgame bosses will one shot you if you don't have upgraded equipment, buffs and the right resistances.
>>336674951
Ff13 had some amazing battle music.
>>336674891
For FF4 I simply dislike everything about it. The music is annoying, I don't care about the characters, the plot is boring, the gameplay is meh at best.
For FF6 I really don't exactly hate, I just find the story to be bad. I felt literally nothing when I fought against Kefka in the final battle, he was a generic doomsday villain and I couldn't give a crap about killing him. The Warring Triad was a disappointment, I expected more of them in the story. Terra's story was also annoying, I couldn't care less about her and her questions about love. Some characters never really got proper development and went nowhere or their development was rushed as fuck. Gau met his father once and that was it. Shadow was Relm's father...okay, whatever. Setzer, Mog...so many characters, so little to do with them. I only remember Cyan, Locke, Celes and the Figaro brothers getting a somewhat average development, but even their development wasn't that big nor great. Also, the Espers were some boring shit. The greatest part of FF6 is the music. Also, Zozo was a funny dungeon disguised as a city.
I kinda wish Lightning wasn't the main character of XIII since that's the sole reason she gets a lot of hate: she's not MC material. I really don't know who would have made a better protagonist though. Maybe Sahz if he wasn't tokenized to hell and back.
>>336675760
XIII had no one single main character
>>336675861
Maybe not, but she was definitely the face of XIII from a marketing standpoint. Either way, she's the first thing people think of when someone brings up XIII
>>336676010
Yeah that was a mistake
Doesn't help that she gets the spotlight in the sequels
>>336652426
>>336652426
There is nothing symbolic about Suikoden though
It has fanatstic story and setting akin to Game of Thrones - full of intrigues and wars between kingdoms.
So fuck you kindly
>>336676101
Light only played a small role in XIII-2
>>336674118
FF13
It's the only Final Fantasy that punished you for playing too defensive.
>>336676836
You also can't overlevel
>>336675760
Fang would have been fine. The fact that she's also the most plot-important character in the party along with Vanille also helps.
>>336674276
Firion is still the best
LAMP SHATNER SHOOP SORE
and
FEEL IT IN MY BUT
>>336676296
And yet a big chunk of the game is devoted to talking about how awesome Lightning is and now you are on a quest to find her
The game has a surprisingly big focus on a character that has like 10 minutes of screentime at most
>>336676836
What does that have to do with challenging FF games?
I hope you are not implying that 13 was challenging
>>336672045
You muh nigga.
>>336677274
Well, she is on a quest to find her sister (Lightning) after all. The circumstances surrounding Serah weren't as pressing and threatening as those surrounding Lightning in the original XIII, so there was time for her to talk about her sister. Also, Lightning was majorly pissed off at Serah due to the events that happened right before XIII started.
>one of the finest FF-fus to date
>almost no SFM_artof her on the web at all
>>336677971
Forgot pic
>>336677712
>Well, she is on a quest to find her sister (Lightning) after all
That's how it starts but it turns into Caius and paradoxes and shit
>The circumstances surrounding Serah weren't as pressing and threatening as those surrounding Lightning in the original XIII
Serah was going to die for getting visions and time is falling apart. I'd argue that it may be just as or even more threatening than the 13 party's deal
>so there was time for her to talk about her sister. Also, Lightning was majorly pissed off at Serah due to the events that happened right before XIII started.
I don't see how that is of any importance for FF13-2's plot
>>336678379
>Lightning was majorly pissed off at Serah due to the events that happened right before XIII started
Meaning that Lightning probably wasn't in the mood to praise Serah all that much.
Rest is spot on.
>>336656785
Delita survives. It's said somewhere in game that he had a long and prosperous rule.
>>336678678
I still don't see how that is important for 13-2's plot
>>336654965
Get the fuck out you shill shit of gay fuckboi.
