>Expected light hearted RPG from the look of the art style
>Start the game
>Everyone fucks over each other till the end
>The church turns out to be more corrupted than the kings and nobles
What the actual fuck, is this some medieval Deus Ex or some shit?
>>336630548
Did you expect to live in some sort of fantasy? That's not healthy.
>>336630548
Best FF game
>>336631153
>Best video game
Fixed that for you
>>336630548
Have you ever played a JRPG before? Literally every time the church plays a major role they turn out to be evil. Usually God does too, and then you go kill him.
>>336630548
Spoiler that shit you asshole it's like the only ff I have yet to play
>>336630548
i hear the english version was toned down toobecause your body recalls the terror...
>>336630548
Besides the magic and demons and shit, the plot of Tactics is essentially based on actual events in England known as the War of the Roses. It was a confusing, dark, and generally fucked up time.
>>336631153
But its own sequel was better, so that's not possible.
>>336631491
Delita plays everyone, fucks you over so you die forgotten by history, and gets stabbed by the princess he forced to marry him in the end.
>>336631505
Didn't Game of Thrones took some shit from War of the Roses aswell?
>>336631609
DELITTA DID NOTHING WRONG
>>336632002
ASOIAF took shit from most part of medieval europe
>>336631540
FFTA?
I love the game, and have put hundreds of hours into it over the years.
The story and characters of FFTA were weak, though.
>>336632865
I think he meant war of the lions
>>336632962
That's a remake.
Plot kind of fell down on the last chapter. She just felt rushed towards the end.
Either way.>Everybody you know and love dies, nobody (even the protag) gets a resolution to their stories, the end.
fuck.
>>336631540
>sequel
are you calling tactics advanced a sequel? it was a disgrace.
>retarded judge laws
>no death penalty except on specific maps
>janky and dull story of kids trying to go home as opposed to story of political espionage, war, and religious indoctrination
>no cast time
>making pub do nothing quests essential
>it doesn't even calculate height for you when using ranged weapons so you have to count out spaces to see if you can actually hit a target that the game says you can
>>336633541
shit*
>>336630548
No, it's Tactics Ogre with FF's job system and summons.
>>336631081
Anyone else prefer the original translation to the one in WOTL?
>>336635912
You and me against the world, anon.
>>336633541
every ps1 rpg with multiple disks
>>336630548
My favorite game of all time. Absolutely perfect.
The cinematics in the PSP version are incredible and the voice acting is orgasmic. Too bad about the slowdowns on that version though.
>>336633541
Actually Ramza and his sister survived and had another adventure in another land. Dunno why he didn't say goodbye tho.
the rest of the crew? dunno. At least Ramza True story in the game was told after 400 years after the events of the game.
Then Vagrant Story happened.
FFT reminds me more of FF6 than most other entries in the Final Fantasy series for some reason but I don't really know why, especially since it's basically Tactics Ogre with FF references.
>>336630548
Aaahhhh shit my nig nog this is a good game!! One of the first game I dished out money for. OP I love you and your style. TG Cid and Cloud make the game ez.
>>336630548
One of those series where the spinoffs are better than the main ones
>>336635912
l i t t l e m o n e y
>>336635912
>>336635987
the original translation is full of all sorts of errors that you can tell Square just didn't give a damn about the game.
I want to like this game but the fucking gameplay is so slow.
Can't I just skip the NPC's picking all their moves ffs.
>>336632193
But he wanted to kill their race's creator. Their God, but not THE God.
>>336639171
>the original translation is full of all sorts of errors that you can tell Square just didn't give a damn about the game.
The translation concerning the in game mechanics is super inconsistent.
But the dialog is tremendously well done. It make the WotL translation look like a joke.
>>336636142
it was a huge explosion in another dimension, they could have been the only survivors or the only survivors they knew about. even then his "funeral" likely happens sometime after the final battle so they could have said goodbye to all the people who were actually there.
>>336639508
But I like the dialogue in WotL better too. The only better line in the original is "Blame yourself or God", and that's about it.
>>336636339
>and Cloud
You got him at lvl 1 when everyone else wat at least lvl 40 and the only way to use his attacks was by getting his sword which was hidden in a volcano.
So, no. Cid does but if you went to all the trouble to make Cloud decent then you're a fool.
>>336630548
>>The church turns out to be more corrupted than the kings and nobles
Whoa, so realistic
>>336631540
>spend time building characters
>muh laws
>muh laws
I never understand what part of your brain misfired to make you think this was a good mechanic
faggots, all of you
at least they kept up a great storyline, that really saved the series, i mean, christ, just best thing ever
>>336631081
DID LITERALLY N O T H I N G WRONG
DON'T LISTEN TO THE ZODIAC BRAVE'S LIES
Always giving great advice and helpful comments.
>>336639956
>Whoa, so realistic
I mean, it really wasn't. Yeah, some of the clergy were possessed by demons, but that was true of the nobility, too.
>>336639956
>The church turns out to be more corrupted than the kings and nobles
>>336630548
>have side story in franchise to fuck around with
>"Let's btfo GRRM decades before he even matters!"
>>336641580
wat game
>>336641934
judging from that homo in those faggy green clothes thats xenogears
>>336641934
Xeno "I sold my body for 1000G to feed my sister" Gears
>>336639956
>Whoa, so realistic
>>336641580
pontiff's got patrician taste
>>336639956
>cue butthurt Catholics
>>336631491
It's literally 20 years old. Blame yourself or God for not playing it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmUsHH5lxsA
I am conflicted- FFT is my favorite final fantasy game pretty much bar none, but the one sequel they DID do was terrible and while I'd love to see more adventures in setting, I don't want neo-Squares "everyone is a Jpop star because reasons' hands all over it.
I'd like to post a bit of my FFT art if that's perfectly fine.
>Do the special event for FFT on PSP
>Agrias' birthday gift from it is an accessory that gives her permanent Shield, Reflect, Haste.
>It took something that powerful to use any of the holy Knights over Orlandu.
Fucking fuck, the game was really fun until they give you him, at which point it just goes full retard easy mode unless you deliberately don't take him.
>>336642786
Post them. Looks good.
>>336642786
do you have a site?
>>336632475
Except selling everyone and everything he ever cared about away for power.
That didn't work out too well for him.
>>336642786
Only if this:
>>336643143
is also you'rs.
If that monk is all you've posted then please don't.
>>336643259
Okely dokely.
>>336643390
Ye. Enclosed in said picture.
I wouldny onow tatics games are outside of my comfort zone so i refuse to play them at all
>>336643143
Doesn't one of the default perfumes have Always:Reraise?
It's not like taking two swordskill characters is going to hurt your team composition. The only one who has usability issues is Meliadoul, since she can't hit monsters or anyone with maintenance with her entire special moveset, and Orlandu has all her stuff plus moves that hit everything else
>>336643546
love the pose
would look good cropped
>>336643143
chantage speed save agrias was already worth using over orlando on the ps1, invincible and just gets faster and faster
>>336636016
>and the voice acting is orgasmic
pic related
Who turned Ramza into a monk with equip armor for massive hp?
>>336645032
I always do.
Monk is such a retardedly OP class.
>>336634837
>I've never played either game
Literally you.
Draw your sword Ramza!
>>336639843
>Cid makes the game easy
Literally children who never played the game parroting GameFAQs.
>tfw Matsuno is dead in the water and he'll never work on an actual FF or another Ivalice title again
>>336630548
>all the normal people hate you because you're a bastard noble
>all the nobles hate you because you're not a full noble
>the church is evil
>politics
>your best friend betrays you
>save a princess
>people die
Its like every JRPG cliche mashed into one game. And that's not a good thing. Honestly, a game like Suikoden II or Dragon Quest VIII did many of the same things, but with a lot better development and more subversion of the cliches.
In before anger.
>>336643735
Fucking this. Orlandu is complete trash without grinding.
>>336645580
How about you stop spouting memes and actually play the game for once, dipshit!
>>336645580
I played the game back in like 2003 without ever once checking the internet, and Orlandu made battles stupid easy.
>>336645032
>>336645124
>>336631009
/thread
This:
>>336645738
goes for you >>336645702
too.
Actually I lied
>>336645825
I did check the internet a couple times just to check the job requisites of ones I hadn't unlocked yet. But that was it I swear.
Please forgive me for lying.
>>336642721
>one sequel
you know there's A and A2 right?
Neither of which are as good as tactics, honestly your best bet there is just to play Tactics Ogre or Vagrant Story.
Also Tactics is unequivocally Hashimoto's best OST work and I will fight anyone who says otherwise.
>>336645032
holy shit I remember doing that as a kid and thinking I was fucking brilliant.
>>336645614
>all the normal people hate you because you're a bastard noble
>all the nobles hate you because you're not a full noble
ok besides all your other bullshit how are those cliche
>>336632002
Are Ramza and Jon Snow the same character?
>Bastard who takes on the supernatural forces that threaten a kingdom already at war with itself.
>>336645580
>Literally children who never played the game parroting GameFAQs.
Cid can solo nearly every battle from the point you get him.
>>336645614
>Its like every JRPG cliche mashed into one game.
Fucking "politics" is a JRPG cliche now?
>>336646387
Was Ramza really a bastard? I don't remember that. I thought he was just the youngest brother.
>>336646325
Most media that has a noble character features one of those plot devices.
>>336645614
Why don't you back up your arguments instead of just trying to meme.
You don't even save a princess, your best friend doesn't even really betray you personally, in fact he saves your ass on several occasions.
>people die
now you're just grasping at straws
As for the rest, the game's story is pretty much just the war of the roses, it's not just picking random cliches and mashing them together.
>>336630548
Final Fantasy Tactics
A Song of Ice and Fire
Romance of the Three Kingdoms
What other media have this aesthetic?
>>336646580
we aren't talking most media we are talking jrpgs
>>336646560
His mom was his father's second wife, so he's half brothers with Dyce and Zaal but full sister with Alma.
>>336645897
>accumulate
>repeat ad infinitum
>one punch dead
>>336646560
He's only half brother to the others. Not sure if his mother was a noble or not.
>>336646634
War of the Roses is what FFT is loosely inspired by.
>>336645702
actually orlandu is extremely good without grinding, because he joins at the same level you do instead of taking levels in whatever random class you need jp in he has potentially 99 levels in his base holy swordsman class which has huge hp/pa/speed growth compared to any other class you have access to, he is also very likely to start with lightning stab and drain sword which are the only two moves he needs.
>>336646786
Hmm, that's not fiction and has no elements of Fantasy. I'm looking for books/vidya
>>336646137
TO port/remake's was better.
The PSP's ver I mean.
>>336646786
>War of the Roses is what FFT is loosely inspired by.
I don't think real life historical events count as "media."
>>336630548
It's Shakespeare.
>>336646650
>JRPG cliches are only found in JRPGs
>>336646634
Do you mean the aesthetic of having some kind of political strife intermixed with fantasy elements?
Tactics Ogre
Vagrant Story
Anything by Matsuno really
>>336646901
LUCT was almost perfect
it's item grinding/crafting was absolutely stupid and the class leveling was better in the original, which are two fairly big elements to the actual gameplay.
>>336647021
Already had Tactics Ogre on my radar. I will check out Vagrant Story.
>>336647008
nice reading comprehension dingbat
>>336647129
It's worth noting that there's like, 4 games in the Ogre franchise that are all p good.
Not just tactics Ogre.
>>336647282
I would trade the FF7 remake for an OB and OB64 remake in a heartbeat
>>336647282
But TO is the only one that's been updated to work well on present time while all the others are pretty much deprecated pos.
>>336647407
hot damn same, especially if it got handled as well as LUCT.
Those games deserve more recognition.
>>336647465
what?
>>336647465
End your life memer
Even with your bait, Knights of Lodis is a fucking GBA game, concurrent with LUCT.
>>336646930
You can look up media on the historical event? I figured that was useful, m8.
>>336647282
From what I see there's five. The NeoGeo Pocket Color one was never translated though.
>tfw wanting to be like Ramza growing up
>acting more like Delita now
feelsbadman
>>336647236
Right back at cha.
>>336647563
And that's only passable because it's a portable game.
But the N64 one and the other one noone remembers are pretty fucking shit.
>>336630548
I miss the spell/summon/skill dialogue from the original.
WOTL lacks them. I mean, I got the fix that corrects the slowdown and have to option to fix the resolution (I like that better in the vanilla setting, though), but taking that out was dumb.
>Played first when it came out in '98
>Again in 2000 but without orlandu making the rest of the game much more challenging and less of a pushover
>again in 2006 for more thorough playthrough and got to bottom of deep dungeon (but still never managed to steal all of Elmdor's equipment)
How is war of lions? Also I am not a fan of portables so wat do?
>>336649039
>How is war of lions?
Laggy, unfortunately.
All emulation of FFT is EXTEMELY laggy. Pisses me off.
>>336648701
>"Life is short...Bury! Steady Sword!"
>"Armor won't help the heart stay sharp! Shellbust Stab!"
>"Know, live, become a frog! Frog!"
>First playthrough
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>336630548
I miss politics in muh jrpgs. Interpersonal drama is fine, but it shouldn't be the whole thing. Destroying ancient evil is fine but it shouldn't be the whole thing.
Politics just brings the whole thing together.
Suikoden 2 Vagrant Story FFT etc etc.
>>336649205
Wew, thankfully I always made Ramza a black mage.
>>336649186
Thanks for reminding me how delectably awful all the dialogue was
>>336649168
God damn it.
Also sad that a ton of people experienced it this way, FFT is one of my top 3 games and the idea of it being laggy as shit is horrid.
Vagrant Story & Einhander are the rest of my top3
God I miss old Square so much.
>>336649205
fuck this guy
>>336649205
I must be the only guy who had no issue with this fight, it makes me puzzled to this day.
I was ninja with blood swords and just walked up and beat the shit out of him for 2-3 turns. I was not even any fucking good at that game, I was cringe.
People keep screaming about it almost 2 decades later...
>>336649280
Remember when FFXII was supposed to be a true successor to FFT, with a mature, politically charged story-line?
And then SE decided, we need a shonen hero.
>>336649280
>play Tales of Graces
>the plot's actually somewhat enjoyable with nobility, politics, and war as major plot points at the start
>as soon as the prince reclaims the kingdom the plot goes full retard with over the top MUH FRIENDSHIP and space satan
>>336649812
>vaan is the hero
hot meme
>>336649812
gotta get those fujoshit teenbux
>>336649595
You can fix the lag. There's a very simple bit of CFW you can download to your computer and move onto your memory stick for the PSP. I'm a complete retard with computers and I was able to get it working. With the fix you can do two things depending on which files you include in the CFW:
1. Fix that god awful slowdown during spells/summons/skills. Makes the game actually playable.
2. Alter the resolution to be more like the original. WOTL default stretches the screen width to fit the PSP screen, but this option returns the display to a square as if it were on a TV.
I play without the second file because that also shrinks the screen (I like it fitting my PSP screen), but the game is nearly impossible to play without the first. If you get the game, you NEED that CFW or you'll be unable to put up with it.
>>336649812
>And then SE decided, we need a shonen hero.
Vaan was clearly aimed at fangirls and gay men.
>>336649764
Reason is that if you went into it underequipped/underleveled, you were fucked because you couldn't leave to grind/buy shit. This was the second or third fight in a series of them one right after the previous.
If you weren't smart enough to keep multiple save files (or actually did have a broken Ramza by then), you pretty much had to restart the game.
Also, the fight on Riovanes Castle Roof was literally RNG. Rafa could die before you even got a chance to move.
>original translation was better!
>no, wotl translation was better!
They both fucking suck, Tactics Ogre is the golden standard for translation in /tactics-esque/ games
Are you all ready?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7hmek-gWE
>>336650015
>you'll be unable to put up with it
Let's be reasonable here. Yes, it's bad and we all hate it, but it's nowhere near unplayable. If you're accustomed to long animations, you'll probably be upset by it for the first couple matches, and then get over it. In fact, you may not even realize, or care about the slowdown initially if it's your first time playing.
>>336650302
Seems like a pretty 'generic fantasy' translation to me. I doubt that's what the original Japanese was going for.
>>336649764
I was really young my first time playing. I made everyone knights and assume unlocking new classes was tied to level. So I had like all knights except one chemist. I remember I finally beat the 4 armed fucker and hit x instead of circle to save, I lost the protect the shitters mission before I got a single turn.
I was mad enough to start a new save file on the spot.
>>336649812
I honestly did enjoy the majority of that story. I think the issue is that the politics were interesting but you were rarely involved in them. They were almost always a "MEANWHILE...." type of scene.
I'm spelunking some fucking tomb while everything cool is happening.
>>336642037
m8 the vast majority of the people who call out catholics for being pedo enablers are protestants
>>336650302
TO usually takes the grandiose dialogue a little too far on occasions; it becomes especially moronic when the characters spit mini-poems in a tight situation. WOTL keeps it at a happy medium, although it does have its spurts of flowery-ness.
>>336650413
>I doubt that's what the original Japanese was going for.
Its impossible to convey exactly what the original Japanese was going for in english. If that's what you want, you gotta learn Japanese and be an expert to understand all the little nuances.
Tactics Ogre doesn't come off as corny because it doesn't go overboard with Ye Olde Languageth junk like WOTL does. And its not like the original FFT translation which was just horrible and unintentionally funny.
>>336642786
>>336643546
>>336644592
>>336648824
I wish I were half as good at drawing as you are. Can I request Agrias OC?
>>336650661
>it becomes especially moronic when the characters spit mini-poems in a tight situation
I haven't played the game in awhile but the only time I remember this happening is during battles for the occasional spell.
>>336650937
I honestly hated the casting dialogue. And now every time I resub to FF14 I have to see people emulating it in their goddamn awful rp shit.
"blazing star that is hotter than the hottest hot times infinity I call to you from beyond the beyond to come to the here and now and smite the foul beat afore me! Fire 1!!!"
>>336650837
>Tactics Ogre doesn't come off as corny
The first image you posted kind of did. Olde English isn't the only type of corny dialogue.
>>336645897
This is fuckin awesome
>>336650302
This is true, the script for LUCT was a lot more mature and generally made the game a lot more enjoyable
>>336650407
The sound doesn't even match up to the animation! It literally finishes playing before the attack ends, by upwards of 4-6 seconds in worst cases.
>>336649461
How the hell do you survive that duel as a black mage?
>>336631870
>Delita plays everyone
Only retards believe this.
>>336652853
Flare + Magic dmg Up
If I remember correctly I also gave him Chemist skills and may have had auto-potion by then
>no more ivalice games outside the mobile shit
>replay game
>know a certain character in your party is going to backstab you
>unequip all their shit before the battle
>>336653271
>Argath
>Gafgarion
Yep.
>>336635912
Honestly, yes. It is charming in how bad it is overall but manages to still have some of the best lines in a jrpg from Delita and Algus. The retranslation took a lot of the fun out.
>>336650302
I WOULD RATHER DIE ON MY FEET THAN ON MY KNEES
>>336649205
>Got stuck in this fight for 2 tries, Ramza hadn't grow properly.
>Started planning different classes to see what would work.
>Ended up with a dragon knight with no helmet and monk's HP refill counter
>Ridiculously high brave and the fact that each hit left me in crit means I'm always full and attacking
>Defeat him with ease.
>Repeat battle to steal all the shit that wasn't nailed down.
>>336655234
>Ramza hadn't grow properly
Anyone that uses this excuse is a shit player.
>>336650348
ramza looking to be the best girl in dissidia
>>336639508
No it really isn't. It is incredibly awkward and stilted most of the time, and while certain isolated lines are more 'catchy' (mainly because they used plain language whenever they could) in general it's a mess.
It's alright in chapter 1 and I can kind of understand some people preferring that, but when it gets to later stages in the game as the other poster said you can tell they just did not give a fuck, huge chunks of dialogue literally make no sense.
>>336649205
After this I always kept 2 save slots
>>336643143
Does Agrias say literally anything in the story at all after the point she joins you for good?
She was my favourite character and having her become completely irrelevant is super shit
>>336655703
Nope. No one says anything since they didn't want to bother because of permadeath
>>336653158
Modern Ivalice is some shitty Arabic setting anyway instead of how it was in FFT, it may as well be a completely different place
>>336655538
Same. It's a habit now.
>>336655501
I agree. It didn't take long before I basically had no idea what was going on in the plot.
>>336655301
>I was a kid playing the early japanese version when I didn't understand shit about japanese.
>Completely missing the point of the post.
Get your head out of your arse and maybe you won't be so mad next time senpai.
I still have your page bookmarked, Scribblehatch. Do moooore.
>>336655956
why are white mages such sluts?
L I T T L E M O N E Y
>>336656115
They're typically girls.
>>336630548
I've grown really pissed off at the lack of a spiritual successor to FFTespecially with Matsuno fired from Square, so I've started my own. If anyone is good at 2D art (specifically portraits) or 3D modeling (in 3DS Max, to match my current artbro) and wants to help develop a tactical RPG in the vein of FFT/Tactics Ogre, shoot me an email[email protected]
Right now it's just me and the artbro in terms of the bulk of the devwork, really. He does 3D modeling and tosses around random crazy ideas but the rest of the major stuff is on my shoulders (programming, design, writing).
Inb4 /agdg/, I'm well aware of them and I used to be a regular there. I just figured I'd shoot into the darkness here because a.) I know /v/ loves FFT just as much as I do and b.) enthusiasm is probably the most important part of actually having the grit to finish a game.
If this post dies unanswered, I don't really mind, as I hate shilling shit. If you ask me questions, I'll answer (and feel less bad).
>>336642721
best bet would be to hope for either a continuation of Tactics Ogre or possibly some crossover. the psp TO is great and given it came out after WotL, if they kept the style it could work because as far as FFT itself is concerned, after those 2 sequels i wouldn't have my hopes up.
>>336655934
>i-i-i was playing the japanese version...
How defensive can one man be?
>>336646634
Berserk. The Golden Age story arc is a clear inspiration for FFT. The Zodiac Stones take their inspiration from Berserk as well.
The music in this game is top notch. I used to fall asleep to it sometimes when I was grinding. Comfy af
>>336656374
As much as this may trigger the mentally handicapped, you could try possibly looking around subreddits revolving around this sort of thing.
I only say this because I hope to god you find decent people to work with and make this project a reality. Just something to think about at least, I dunno.
>>336630548
It's a Yasumi Matsuno game, what else did you fucking expect? FFT is nothing compared to Let Us Cling Together in terms of how grey everyone's morality is.
>>336656538
This is worse than the Berserkfags that think Dark Souls is a 1:1 adaptation.
>>336655501
Yeah, for the most. A lot of perceived negativity comes from people complaining they didn't keep some iconic lines, but WotL translation is overall so superior it's not even funny.
>>336656084
I've been in a funk recently. I've been off my meds and my next psyche appointment to get more is on the 24th. It's ROUGH. Rougher than I thought it was gonna be.
>>336655703
She gives a couple quips during battle, and she has a few extra scenes, but aside from that, nope.
Sad, I know. I really think they should've taken a different approach to unique characters.
>>336645032
even though it's a retarded amount of work, i love making him into a dark knight. plus if you give him good equipment he becomes fucking unstoppable. crushing blow and the life-fraining move alone can get you through anything.
alternatively, i love geomancer, it's just such a good, versatile class, and thanks to all the status effects it can become quite powerful as well.
>>336651156
I don't think you understand what corny means.
>>336630548
It blew my mind as a teen when it first came out.
I was really religious, it actually made me question everything.
>>336656843
>i love geomancer, it's just such a good, versatile class
Yeah it's really one of THE classes I think about when I think tactics.
One of the others being lancer, which is cool but less useful.
>>336635912
>>336635987
Yea, they knocked it down a few notches of quality.
>>336656675
>This is worse than the Berserkfags that think Dark Souls is a 1:1 adaptation.
Dark Souls also draws inspiration from Berserk, but it's more the Conviction arcs and the dark fantasy element.
FFT takes from the Golden Age storyline, and especially the Zodiac Strones.
The Behelits and Zodiac Stones are basically the same. Person at their lowest activates it, make a deal with the devil for power, get a cool alt form, but the person gets taken over by a demon.
>>336630548
>Thinks a Religion is Evil plot makes the game "dark" or remotely deep
>>336641934
Underage pls go
>>336657113
>The Behelits and Zodiac Stones are basically the same.
No they aren't. The Zodiac stones are an interesting twist on anime transformation relics. They don't function like Behelits and aren't similar thematically. Stop being retarded.
>>336657161
I don't think anybody is attempting to call FFT's plot "deep", I think we're all just in agreement that it's writing in general is a fuckton more competent than what's the norm for a game.
>>336657306
>They don't function like Behelits
They function almost exactly like Behelits.
>>336656628
Thanks for the suggestion. To be honest I'm not sure how much I trust redditors in their love of FFT. Right now we're moving along at a comfy pace but it would definitely be faster if we had more people around. The key thing in my mind is, to actually make a spiritual successor, the team needs to be very intimately familiar with FFT (or at the least, TO).
>>336645580
>Ease is relative
When this shit first came out, I didn't have the Internet and shit. The game was hard as fuck (because I misunderstood core concepts of leveling and classes), and cid brought it down to easy modo.
Now last time I played it, I min maxed Ramza, then Agrias w/Chantage and then a few ninjas so much that any of them could have soloed the game.
>>336657161
The plot absolutely falls apart when religion not-jesus start to come into focus but it is pretty good up until then. Unfortunately this just seems to be something Matsuno does every time, make a compelling story then fuck it up last minute with a bad twist.
>>336656752
IKTFB. I've been trying to find a mood stabilizer that doesn't have super fucked up side effects.
Good luck on your next psych appointment. I hope you find some meds that work for you
>>336657334
>I don't think anybody is attempting to call FFT's plot "deep",
It's a serious story and if it were on tv or books it would be praised by most people.
I really think Matsuno should just write books or comics. His talents are wasted on games.
>>336657452
>only 13 of them
>no sacrifice required
>houses a specific spirit that possesses the user
>can perform legit miracles and bring people back from the dead with zero downsides
If you've never played the game, you could have said so.
>>336657456
If it means so much, what you could try doing is hooking in people who are legitimately interested, then passing them a link to an emulator along with a ROM of FFT/WotL and TO, and essentially have them do their homework, you know what I mean? If you absolutely can't find people just like you, you can at least try to find people serious and willing, with love for the general concept of it, and spring that which inspires the entire thing on them. In the same way that some directors ask actors to study specific films for research and inspiration, who says you can't use the same methods?
>>336657617
It doesn't fall apart, it just shifts focus. I am pretty sure that Square requried matsuno to include some kind of pure fantasy element in the storyline.
>>336650489
>I was really young my first time playing. I made everyone knights and assume unlocking new classes was tied to level. So I had like all knights except one chemist.
Story of my fucking young life.
>>336657617
It's not a last minute twist. The lucavi are introduced at the end of chapter 2 and thankfully moved the story away from the political bullshit.
>>336656527
Except post is true, you really fail at understanding context, and are still mad, just backpedalling in slow motion.
I forgive you. Now try to get the green chocobo bug and tell me your results (UVersion).
>>336651119
well, at least they give you the option to remove casting text altogether or even of making it advance on it's own, which is a much better decision than forcing people to sit through it.
i gotta say though, that ending a hard/boss battle with a powerful spell or finisher while getting the text to pop up feels pretty neat.
>>336657161
It doesn't make it not.
Are you a contrarian that hates all anti-theism?
FFT threads are the best /v/ threads
>>336656374
this>>336656628
and do make a patreon/kickstarter or something like that. get some good concept art and some scraps to show so people don't invest on your word alone, and it could work, especially since it's a beloved game and people are willing to pay for projects that don't even have that much to show other than the author's promises and word.
>>336635912
Overall I think the original translation's much better. I like certain parts of the new translation, including the basic corrections obviously. But so much of it is just this flowery, overly wordy, wannabe-Shakespeare trash.
>Mayhap bowed heads would less offend. You would do well to waste less time on idle pleasantries.
>'Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I.
>What madness possessed you that you would abandon your posts to traipse about the desert?
>Hmph. It's as I've always said: Common blood, common man...You don't belong in our world. You ought be licking our boots with the rest of you ilk, churl!
>I would save Tietra with these hands, if aught were in my power to do. But I cannot. 'Tis my meager lot in this life...
>I had lived my life the only way that I had known. But when the pillars of that life came crashing down, I did not stand and watch them fall. I turned, and walked away.
I feel sorry for anyone impressed by this.
>>336656953
main problem i have with lancer and dragoon is how slow they feel compared to some other classes. then again it's probably more that having fast classes (due to not using heavy armor) with high damage output and sometimes range as well kinda fucks with variety.
>>336658572
I've been keeping up on potential competitors lately, some of whom have used KSmostly because I just want to play the gamesBanner Saga didn't really fulfill my itch because flat battlefields, Shadowrun Returns was also way too flat and limited in classes, and Invisible Inc. is great but it's more like a turn-based stealth-tactics rather than a tactical RPG. I guess Massive Chalice exists too, but it's more like Xcom than anything else.
Have you guys heard of Arcadian Atlas?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1266693296/arcadian-atlas-tactical-rpg-inspired-by-classics
It looks like it's going to fail the funding but I find it interesting that they've got a not-Gafgarion character, the interface looks super close to what FFT had, and the character sprites seem very much inspired by it too. I'd trust this brother and sister pair to deliver (unlike those other 4 games) but they definitely need to polish away all this jank.
>>336658713
I feel sorry for anyone that thinks the original script is better when so much of it is borderline incomprehensible.
>>336658572
>kikestarters
wasn't there already one currently going on for a FFT inspired game?
Arcadian Atlas if I remember correctly.
The devs seems to rely too much on art and music to disguise their barebone game design plans which seems to nothing but hot air. So I am a bit leery, especially after Playdek fuck up
>>336657161
Deeper? No.
Darker? Yes. If not for anything else, for the implications.
In any setting where the paladins' and clerics' bosses are in a conspiration to kill you, you'd be insane not to question white magic a little bit. It's something that only "good guys" are supposed to use, and also something that you take for granted in fantasy in general, the heroes need to heal from their wounds after killling the demons, and if the church that dispenses the healing is a fractal composite made out of dicks, then...
>>336658910
> not liking the concept of being healed through dicking
what are you, gay?
>>336658910
You're looking at things way too deeply. White magic in FF has never been directly associated with religion.
>>336655501
I wouldn't really say it comes out better, just over the top and pretentious. Everything about the new translation is superfluous at best. What the translation should of been was just cleaning up the original without trying to force the Shakespeare dialog feel to it. I feel like so much is lost in the impact of the game by doing so. I feel the same way about the TO remake as well, even if it's arguably better than the original version of that game.
>>336658864
It's not incomprehensible, it's straightforward with a few perplexing mistakes.
>Dragon abilities are called 'bracelet,' not breath
>Nobility ranks are all fucked up, like baron and duke
>weird nouns like Fur, Meat, and Bones Store (poaching shop)
Stylistically the issue with FFT's translation is that the original Japanese was very direct and embarrassingly blunt, which is on-par for most JRPGs honestly. They don't give a shit about theme or setting and use the same modern speech for pretty much every single game.
What happened to Matsuno games in particular is that they were graced by His Holiness Alexander O Smith, who also did Vagrant Story and FF12's localization. WOTL goes far too overboard, though, and applies the Shakespeare to every character equally, from the highest king to the lowest rogue. Whoresons raised in slums should not be speaking that way.
Despite the bluntness of the original, it still had a few meme gems like "blame yourself or god" and "draw your sword, Ramza" which are still burnt into people's minds today. If you asked me to quote something from WOTL I probably couldn't tell you, even though I finished WOTL twice over since it was released.
If I loved FFT, what game would y'all recommend I play next? Ogre Tactics?
>>336658865
can't say i've been keeping up with potential FFT spiritual successors, especially not in Kickstarter.
partly because it depresses me to see how little attention the tactical RPG genre gets in the west (dunno if in japan it's the same). thank god TO LuCT, FFT WoTL, Jeanne D'Arc & co exist and hail the psp for having many great games, i wish the vita hadn't flopped.
>>336659161
It reads like it was written by a staff of ESL retards. It's more similar to a shitty SNES-era script ala Breath of Fire than its contemporaries.
>>336659269
Vagrant Story if you haven't yet.
>>336632193
I always thought the thing on the right of his portrait was his nose.
>>336659269
Tactics Ogre is basically essential if you love FFT. It's Matsuno's other lovechild. You can go with the SNES version with a translation patch or go with the PSP version.
Also, Front Mission 3 is also another fantastic game if you love FFT. I think it'll be right up your alley.
>>336659292
>partly because it depresses me to see how little attention the tactical RPG genre gets in the west (dunno if in japan it's the same).
Fire Emblem rekindled it, but at a great cost. The FE of today is absolutely nothing like FE1-5 (Kaga era, the original creator), and even 6-12 (the middle years after he left, but the team still followed his original themes).
>>336659269
Tactics ogre, actually. i still have to play the other ones but the psp TO is more than worth it. Jeanne D'arc also for the psp is another great tactical RPG.
>>336659339
>It reads like it was written by a staff of ESL retards.
That's pretty much how the original Japanese script reads, bro. Same with FF12, actually.
>>336659376
>>336659404
>>336659474
thanks, mates. I'll check em out!
>>336659404
>recommending the worst Front Mission
Stop.
>>336658910
>>In any setting where the paladins' and clerics' bosses are in a conspiration to kill you, you'd be insane not to question white magic a little bit.
Go back to your colluding Chemist Guild, potion shill
>>336659161
do remember that while you want it to cater to old adults with sophisticated tastes, Japs have primarily been making video games for children or teenagers.
So the plots they conceived is adjusted to that fact.
>>336659619
I think dialogue is, but themes definitely not. Matsuno is a fucking madman for putting genocide in chapter 1 of his games
New Ogre Battle when?
>>336659737
Who /law/ route here?
>>336659161
FFXII is probably my favorite of O Smith's scripts, there's enough ye olde english to give it a bit of flair but it doesn't read like a high schooler's bad attempt at Shakespeare like WotL and isn't used by the plebeians like Vaan and Penelo. The top notch voice acting doesn't hurt either.
>>336659827
it's one of those decisions that fuck with your head. law's outcome for most characters is better, especially for vice and ravness, but chaos seems more morally correct and also offers a better fate to characters like cressida and ceria.
in general, thank god we can world around to change shit as we see fit. also, deneb is fucking great, we need more of her and Pavel interacting.
>>336660009
You and I are definitely on the same page then, my bangaa
>>336660009
Have to agree with this to be honest. FF12 was probably one of the best translated and written FF games in the series. At least till we got to the parts where they fired the man who made it work well and shit started falling apart. At least we'll always have FAP.
>>336660128
I went law route on my first playthrough without remorse even though I didn't know it had more characters. It sounded like a reasonable plan
>>336635912
no, the new fakespearean translation lacks power
>>336660464
*yes
>>336659741
unless you want a gacha based mobile game, don't even ask square enix about it.
>>336660731the pain is branded to my skin, a memento of fallen giants
Let us Cling Together > FFT
>>336639979
>muh laws
>muh laws
FFFFFFFFUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK THE QUEEEEEEEEEEEN
>>336661116
WHY WOULD YOU REMIND US
>>336661834
>>336658451
Well, anti-theism is stupid, so I don't see anything wrong with hating it.
>>336662380
I never got the feeling that FFT is anti-theistic, if anything it's just showing how a certain institution has built itself around a lie and perpetuated the lie, knowing it's not true, for their own gain. But there's nothing in FFT that suggests it's outright anti-God just because the saint or prophet the Church of Glabados believes in is actually the devil. It in fact is far less anti-theistic than Shin Megami Tensei has been before.
>>336659376
Vagrant Story's gameplay is completely different from FFT.
>>336662593
yeah, I don't really see why christfags think it's anti-theistic
it's anti-organized religion, because organized religion is a tool of man, and as such it has manmade faults.
