>Dark Souls 3 already outsold Bloodborne
Why should From bother with exclusives?
sony gives big paychecks.
Sony gives them money up front which in turn they can use to make more games for all.
You're welcome
inb4 Sony Ponys insist BB was a better game
>>336587640
>comparing platform seller exclusives with money maker multiplats
>>336587640
cost of dev
sony bring producing and other resources to the table
Sony will cover expenses and offer a favorable cut
Sony and from go way back
miyazaki got inspired by games, cause of a playstation exclusive
Sony have an amazing working relationship with froms new parent company
>>336587854
>>336587956
>>336588031
>implying that's more than what more sales gives them
>>336587640
>1 platform vs 3 platforms
>>336587640
Did you also take into account all the PS4's bought to play Bloodbourne? 1 PS4 = $300 (5 dark souls 3's)
>>336587956
but if they made BB multiplat then they would get more money in the end
>>336587640
I've never plays a Souls game or a Bloodborne, but it seems abundantly clear that the 3rd game in a series is going to have an easy time beating the first game in a series. The benefit of the exclusive is that they get a higher bonus of some sort for exclusivity, and now they have another series for which they can churn out sequels
>>336588138
I implied no such thing. Just explaining the process. Stop being dumb.
>>336588138
fromsoft company culture doesnt care bout sales
look at thier portfolio
sony will fund them and let them take risks
>>336587640
Maybe you should buy a PS4 if you want Bloodborne so badly.
>>336588149
PS4s are sold at a loss you stupid cunt
>>336588179
>gets pirated by the millions on the PC
>From already made the money back because Sony covered it
Come on you're smarter than this
>>336588179
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/685616464229838850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
>>336588143
>damage control
>>336588308
You don't actually know what corporate culture is do you?
>>336588416
never ever
>>336588256
I know about the process, thanks.
>>336588308
>a company doesn't care about sales
lmao
>>336587640
>Comparing sales of multiple-platform version with sales of only 1 console version.
Retard.
>>336588459
So why ask stupid questions?
>>336588387
>40% of DS3 sales were on PC
I may be smarter than you, sure.
>>336588416
>meaningless bait-y buzzwordbloodborne's the best in the series and ds3 is a step backwardsand if you haven't played it you're missing outbut that's not to say the other games in the series aren't great
>>336588570
>source: my ass
>>336587640
why people still think bb only sold 2m? that's sales from 4 months after release, no new number was released.
>>336588504
I think you're the stupid one here m8. They're probably just going to churn out whatever they need to complete the contract with Sony and not make any more Sony exclusives. Multiplats give significantly more money.
>ds3 ends up being a namco focus tested dud
>"p-please f-f-fromsoft make more g-games for p-p-p-p-puh-puh-peeeeeeeceeeeeeee"
>>336588369
Are you this stupid? Wow, it must hurt to be this painfully retarded.
The PS4 is produced for a slight loss, but it still has to sell to make back most of the production money. What the fuck do you think, they just sit on shelves and Sony is content because they're gonna sell for a slight loss?
Do I even need to add how buying a PS4 for BB will also encourage the users to buy other exclusives like Until Dawn, Uncharted 4, Tearaway, etc
>>336588570
>it sold some copies so pirating doesn't matter.
Please anon if you're gonna shitpost put some effort in
>>336587640
>meme game gets huge sales
Literally who gives a shit
I guess we should stop sales on any other game besides pokemon and call of duty now
>>336588480
>comparing sales between one videogame and another videogame
shut up git gud git gud GIT GUD NEVER EVER NEVER EVER STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP DELETE THIS
>>336588724
>They're probably just going to churn out whatever they need to complete the contract with Sony
ds3 seems to be the rush job that got shat out m8
>>336588731
>buying a PS4 for BB
Most people buy a PS4 for CoD and Fifa.
>>336588724
Im not disagreeing with you. Why are you so hostile anon? OP asked a question and I answered it
>>336588858
and uncharted 4
>Dark souls 3 was pirated more than bloodborne
Why should From even bother with PC releases?
>>336587640
They should just port over Bloodborne and enjoy some actual sales from the glorious PC master race.
>>336587640
honestly the exclusive deal seems retarded
how much fucking money do you get payed to deny a majority of your audience, thats just bad marketing
>>336588773
>ds3 nearly sold 1m on PC already
>missing out on these profits and lolxbone ones for the faggots with that
>muh pirating
whatever sonypony
>>336588839
>ds3 seems to be the rush job that got shat out m8
It the best Souls game. And the DLC will be even better.
>your series becomes popular due to multiplat
>make one of your games exclusive
>go back to multiplat
why did this happen
>>336589025
>It the best Souls game.
>ds2.2 is best souls game
holy fuck
>>336587640
doesn't the money go to the publisher? not sure how this works exactly
>>336587640
>multiplatform
>equivalent development cost as exclusive
Nice thread OP
By your logic, no one would make PC games because titles always sell better on consoles.
>>336589103
>ds2.2
Well meme'd sonygger.
>>336588402
Savage
>>336588986
>Implying I don't have a PC
>Implying profits matter when Sony fronted the bill
>no source for claims
Whatever dude sucks to suck if you can't understand why exclusives exist
>>336589103
>ds2.2
>parries and backstabs are nearly instant
>you literally can't get hit if you just keep rolling
>literally not even made by the same team
DS3 is literally DS1.2 you fucking retard
>>336589083
You're delusional.
It begain with DeS. If anything, they just came back to the beginning with BB.
>>336588605
>bloodborne's the best in the series and ds3 is a step backwards
I heard if you keep saying it enough it might become true.
>>336588725
They'll just keep making games without the original developers like they did with Katamari.
>>336589115
depends on the contracts
but publisher pay for everything or the majority or publishing and marketing... and devs split/get paid, receive bonuses based on something in the contracts...
>>336589278
nobody played demons souls dude, das1 is what got souls popular
>>336588986
I remember cucks like you telling me that Bloodborne selling 1 million in about a week was terrible.
Considering From will probably do more Sony exclusives, the deal wasn't so bad.
I'll see you crying about it when it happens.
>>336588308
>FromSoft doesn't care about sales
They make a hit, and where as scumbag movie production companies will contract and make a sequel, FromSoft makes 4 sequels all of which are the exact same.
>sony will fund them and let them take risks
That's literally the opposite of what they do, and now that they found something that sells to idiots they'll keep making it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
>>336589385
oh man the new
>>336589385
Demon's Souls sold 39,966 copies in its first week in Japan,[66][67] and boosted PlayStation 3 sales in the region.[68] It has sold 134,585 copies in Japan as of December 2009.[69] In North America, Demon's Souls debuted at the eleventh place of the October 2009 charts according to NPD Group, with over 150,000 copies sold,[70] selling over 500,000 by September 2010.[38]
As of March 16, 2015, Demon's Souls has sold over 1.7 million copies.[71]
>>336589280
great retort
Never ever
>>336589214
>implying you aren't a mobileposting niggarell sonybrony
>implying profits don't matter
http://steamspy.com/search.php?s=dark+souls
>>336589385
The community was better before people like you showed up.
>>336589025
I refuse to call the souls game with the worst magic the best. Even BB had better magic builds than DS3.
>>336588773
It really doesn't. It's not like they lose money for each copy that gets pirated. There can be 1 pirated copy or a million pirated copies, it literally doesn't matter one bit. Or are you one of those idiots who thinks each pirated copy somehow takes money out of their bank account?
>>336587640
Because the game has become casual souls prepare to summon edition. I'd imagine the next dark souls will just reuse all its assets from dark souls 3 as well.
Bloodborne > Dark Souls 3
>>336587640
>why should from bother with exclusives?
>>336589280
He's right though.
DaS3 has dropped to 89 now btw.
>>336589484
>BB is the best because I say so
What kind of retort did you expect?
>>336589519
>I didn't pay for it
>So it didn't lose money!
Okay
>>336589654
Do fat people really get sweat under their manboobs? That's fucking gross.
>>336589514
>worst magic
It's just balanced for PVE and not retardely broken.
Sniping people with Soul Stream and Obscuring Ring is fun though.
>>336587640
>a game that is available on PS4, X1 and PC has outsold a PS4 exclusive
No shit sherlock.
>Why should From bother with exclusives?
'Cause Sony pays them.
>>336589775
Yes, women also get sweat under their womanboobs.
Tits are overrated.
>>336589704
>He thinks Dark Souls 3 didn't make money
This is how a sony pony's mind works.
>>336589498
So angry anon. Would a link to a petition calm you down?
>>336589654
>muh metacritic
I guess LoZ OOT is the best game ever?
>>336589442
But this is the last dark souls
>>336589519
That's a sale they could of had, so yes they lose money. I'd imagine this mentality floats around the lower tier of society. Silly poor fags these days...
>>336589083
Sometimes I wonder how people who frequent a board that's supposedly about video games understands so little about how they are made. Sony paid for Fromsoftware to make Bloodborne. It was probably a great deal for them because it takes away a lot of the risk of investment and also they get a lot of support developing the game. Also Sony owns Bloodborne as an IP so you will not see it ported unless someone buys it from them which, is highly unlikely. They're probably developing Bloodborne 2 as we speak.
>>336589864
Who said that?
>>336589807
>balanced
>absolute garbage for 90% of the game
>pretty much hard mode compared to virtually any melee build
>>336589473
>des 500k in a year
>das1 2.3m in two years
look nigger some people played des but das1 is what got souls popular
>>336589506
>the community was better before people with eyes showed up
ok
>>336589864
Please explain how anything in my post implied that. Go ahead I'll wait.
>>336589890
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/xcom24ps4
Here's one :^)
>>336589704
>Download five thousand copies of dark souls
>From loses $200,000
That's how it works right?
>>336589854
I'm more of a b cup guy partly for that reason honestly. But it's grosser when it's a fat dude than when it's a tit. Maybe because the tit is supposed to be there and the moob isn't.
>>336589907
No. The best game ever made is whatever first party game Nintendo has released most recently.
>>336588731
>encourage the users to buy other exclusives like Until Dawn, Uncharted 4, Tearaway, etc
Mine is still a BB machine. Waiting for FFXV and Deep Down (Is kill) though. Probably Ace Combat too, but the rest is just disappointing.
>>336589907
>r-reviews don't matter
I can't even imagine the sheer amount of shitposting you faggots would do if DaS3 had a higher meta
>>336589957
>absolute garbage for 90% of the game
Lol what?
I completed the game with a pure magic build with no issues, you just have to invest more in stats than the other games.
>>336589985
The bit where you implied that I'm stupid for thinking that piracy doesn't lose them money and therefore implied that they actually DID lose money somehow.
Do you struggle with english son?
>>336590002
They didn't earn it so you're enjoying those copies without From getting anything in return. I suppose you think you can walk into a buffet and eat food without anyone noticing and that doesn't matter either right?
Which area marks the halfway point of ds3?
Just got to boreal valley and been playing for about 10 hours.
>>336589957
I am glad magic is shit. Magic is for losers who don't like to think and just want pew pew without working for the kill.
>>336590128
>abhorent story
what
>>336590205
>pirating is stealing
If I walked into a buffet and cloned all the food I was going to eat and left the originals there, then nobody would give a shit
fuck off
>>336589993
>using Xcom 2 as a boast.
My sides.
>>336590145
>losing part of your money = not making money
Are you ok anon? I think you should go get some sleep.
>>336590217
Boreal Valley
>>336590267
fake review someone shat out on photoshop
>>336589854
That's hot.
>>336590289
Your logic is astounding I'm not even mad. You do you anon.
>>336589976
A game that sells 500k in a year IS popular.
DaS was a big success mainly because it's the spiritual sequel of a successful game.
>>336590134
>you just have to invest more in stats than the other games.
not really. i ended ng in ds 1 with 40int, ds2 with 32 and ds3 with 35. even without the boost ring, the magic damage scale nicely. unless you encounter enemies with high magic resistence. but that's what raw weapons are for.
>>336590128
>cherrypicking
Were you trying to make some kind of point here?
>>336587640
it might have outsold blood souls but the thing is sony pays for the exclusive so they might earn more from exclusive money + sales than only sales
>>336590380
It is abhorrent, in a good way.
>>336590430
Only because bosses have fuck all HP
>>336588138
It sold ps4's dumbass
>>336590309
>piracy loses them money
Okay, put on your big boy pants and explain the logic behind that.
Show me logical reasoning that does not rely on assumptions, your gut feelings or any other bullshit and I will admit you are right and that I am wrong.
What the fuck is wrong with ps4 owners?
They get shit for games and when a literal masterpiece in BB is released they don't buy it.
>>336590391
I'm not the one who equates copying to stealing motherfucker
it may be wrong depeding on your perspective but there is one thing it is not; and that is stealing
>>336590579
they are fucking dump
one guy from my college has every single one playstation consoles and he was playing only the last of us and the new order on ps4
Exclusives never sell as much as multiplatform, this is something that isn't surprising.
Why do developers do it? Numerous reasons, companies obviously pays a lot of money for exclusivity if they are a big name, but being a big name they can likely make more money selling it multiplatform then the money offered for exclusivity.
So the real reason? Building bridges, by routinely making exclusive deals, they open up opportunities in the future. The benefits for this is to long for one post, but Sony and Fromsoftware have a more cozy relationship, Sony will be willing invest in future projects and keeping the company afloat.
>>336590579
Most players like dudebro/commercial games. This is true for every platform.
>>336590579
99% of ps4 owners are casuals that would rather play fifa
>>336590548
What does that have to with From?
And hell, CoD sold more PS4s than it
>>336590579
It's the go - to normie console of the generation. I'm kinda surprised BB sold 2 millions.
>>336590579
99% of ps4 owners are casuals that don't even know about fifa
>>336590291
never ever
>>336590573
Someone is using thier product, which they used man hours and a budget to make, and From does not receive revenue from the product making back the budget and justifying creating the product in the first place.
Is this really so hard to understand?
>>336590708
>>336590765
>>336590781
>>336590803
Does this not prove PC gamers are more deserving of a well crafted game like Bloodborne then shit eating CoD playing PS4 players?
>>336590579
99% of ps4 owners are casuals that masturbate to fifa
>>336590938
It's also the go-to console in Japan.
>>336591047
No, why?
>quality =/= quantity
By OPs logic, Call of Duty is the best game ever made, because it sells the best.
>>336591047
>Pcucks have good taste
Then why the most played games on pc are the fucking cancer killing videogames?
>>336591047
I'm idort and I have to agree. If BB was on PC I'd probably would have sold my PS4 by now.
>>336590579
1% of ps4 owners are skillful players that would rather play sf5
>>336591204
Quote where I said that. My point is that multiplats nearly always bring more revenue than exclusives. Do you think From doesn't like money?
>>336591047
Considering 99% of PC users are playing LoL or Dota, no
>>336591204
No you fucking mongoloid if IW made an xbone exclusive cod and it sold worse than the other ones then there would be a comparison somewhere but you're just literally shitposting.
>>336591385
>Do you think From doesn't like money?
They do, and they decided to make their game exclusive. They obviously know about the business better than you.
>>336591018
I didn't ask for a definition of pirating, I asked you to explain to me how it loses them money, which is different to not getting money they never would have gotten in the first place.
Is this really so hard to understand?
>>336590579
0.02% of PS3 owners are members of FIFA which is a requirement for purchasing BB.
>>336591047
That's not the world we live in. Sony paid for exclusives so they get exclusives. If you want them you buy a sony console, if not no big deal.
I play on a pc and ps4 because sony always seems to get exclusives I want, I don't feel loyalty or attachment towards any company really.
I didn't want a 3ds but they got monster hunter so I bought one and it's still the only game I own for it but I have 250 hours in it. Feels worth it to me.
In terms of taste, I think pc has some really fantastic under the radar games. It's a shame so many of them play garbage like dota lol and csgo.
>>336590579
People have different tastes. Plus the game was full price most places until very recently. Games like cod or fifa drop in price after the holidays. I know personally I refuse to buy single player games for 60 dollars.
>>336591047
No because the most played games on PC are f2p moba trash. It's unfortunate but that's just how it is.
>>336591543
Then why don't they only do Sony exclusives? You know their next game is multiplat right?
>>336589252
>you literally can't get hit if you just keep rolling
I hate this meme.
>>336591079
What does that have to do with anything that the other anon asked?
>>336591727
>You know their next game is multiplat right?
[citation needed]
>>336588308
I'm not saying BB or DaS3... but let's not pretend they give a fuck about taking risks. The past few games have been super safe, playing the exact same mechanics and in DaS2 and 3's case, actively retconning the exact same story, and tons of redone bosses/characters.
The soulsborne series is one of the safest series I've ever seen made. They seldom take a risk. The only two risks they ever took was DeS and DaS1. And even DaS1 took elements from the former in tandem.
>>336591543
Do you think whatever Sony gave them makes up for potentially millions of lost sales? And potentially lost fans who won't buy the future entries of the series because they're unhappy with exclusivity? The only reason BB was exclusive is because they were taking a risk and needed a safety net. Now that they have boatloads of money from the entire souls series (which is mostly multiplat by the way), they don't have to worry about the risk so much so their next game is going to be multiplat as well. If exclusives brought in more money than multiplats, why would they do this?
>>336591385
Oh wow, seems like you know nothing about licencing and how contracts work at all, but i won't blame you for your ignorance. Just stay quiet please.
And you talk about money again, what does this have to do with the actual games? Do you rate a game on it's mainstream success and how much money it made?
Are you that much of a tool?
>>336591845
>I'm kinda surprised BB sold 2 millions
>>336588223
blood born is technically the 4th game in the series, with ds3 being the 5th.
>>336588179
That's possible, but I'm sure you have actual numbers to use as evidence.
>>336591806
Don't make me post the webm.Because I don't have it. But you know rolls in 3 are bullshit.
>>336587640
There's are no reasons to other than financial or maybe company culture and obviously exclusivity deals. Souls games aren't that graphically demanding, not that they don't look great thanks to the design, and basically just need a controller.
>>336591921
I'd say BB was a bit of a risk. Potentially pissing off shieldfags. Having a massive story switch halfway through with no previous indication was like a lesser version of the Raiden reveal in MGS2.
Generally Fromsoft takes a risk then plays it safe for a bit.
>>336591946
I don't think you know a business revolves around money you stupid fuck. Do you think From makes games from the kindness of their hearts?
>>336591921
>They seldom take a risk
You mean Miyazaki seldom takes a risk. What is das 2
I wish the LoC helm was black like in these pictures and not dull grey
>>336591419
>Sturgeon's law means no one deserves anything
anon I *need* good games even though I don't deserve them, and no I don't play p2w or moba's (not that there's anything wrong with players who do)
>>336591987
You know I don't, that's the point. You only need to compare the sales between the rest of the series and Bloodborne to infer confidently that souls games which are multiplat sell more than souls games which are exclusive.
>>336589519
>user has ps4 and PC
>game is released as ps4 exclusive
>user has to buy
>game is multiplat
>user can pirate
>>336591932
>Do you think whatever Sony gave them makes up for potentially millions of lost sales? And potentially lost fans who won't buy the future entries of the series because they're unhappy with exclusivity?
Yes, that's why they accepted to do it.
>so their next game is going to be multiplat as well
See >>336591879
>exclusives brought in more money than multiplats
Brought more money to Bamco, they own the copyright.
>>336592134
Not really when they hamfisted in mechanics to make up for it so well. The auto-healing, the gun parry that ensures safe parry distance half the time, and super fast dodges that essentially allow one to spam dodge and never really care as much as Souls games and super fast stamina regen with no cooldown for regen from 0 stamina. I mean, I would say they made up for no shield pretty substantially.
The story is definitely unique compared to their other games. But again, they didn't risk anything, Sony did with BB.
I can't tell if sonyponies are legitimately this retarded, or if PCucks got better over time at false flagging as buttmad sonyponies. Which is it, /v/?
>>336592348
No, you don't. You don't know if it was worth it for them to go exclusive for Bloodborne or not because we'll never know what the sales for multiplat would have looked like and we also don't know how much they were paid to go exclusive in the first place. We just don't have enough information. As for the citation, it's in an unlisted video on from's channel which I forgot to favorite so I can't bring it up right now. I'm sure someone else has it and can post.
>>336591879
>[citation needed]
>he didn't saw the video
lol
>>336592348
Bamco do not own the Dark Souls IP. They only have publishing rights, and only in the west.
>>336592672
Do you think that Sony blackmailed them to do something so unprofitable?
Also http://www.designntrend.com/articles/63985/20151103/bloodborne-dark-souls-from-software-sony-jrpg-bloodborne-2.htm
>>336588858
>Most people buy a PS4 for CoD and Fifa
lol,so true,but only normie casual ppl do this,so they kinda not count in /v/
>>336592348
>game one, two, and three bring in three million dollars
>game four brings in five hundred thousand dollars
>lol but it doesn't matter because the publisher will take a cut
>>336592678
Post it.
>>336592618
I agree they made up for it. But that's not what shieldkids wanted to hear. You can find testimonials all over the internet of people getting fucking wrecked. Trophy data shows something like 40% of people never beat the first boss.
They put arguably the hardest section of the game right at the start as a sort of trial by fire. Instead of the undead asylum you get fucking central yharnam.
One last thing, I don't understand what's hamfisted about any of the mechanics, I honestly think you just used that term as a substitute for saying *thing I don't like*. Rally encourages aggression and fits in with the lore of blood healing wounds. The parry fits the game nicely I think and forces you to stand still in a game where that is a dangerous thing to do, the dodge needs to be as good as it is to match up with the enemy design. They wanted the game to be faster and so they made it and the mechanics around it faster.
Maybe I'm just missing what's ham fisted about setting a goal and achieving it or maybe you can enlighten me.
>>336592672
>how much they were paid to go exclusive
They weren't paid to 'go exclusive', they were paid to make a game for a publisher who made it exclusive, it wouldn't exist if Sony hadn't approached From.
>be a PCuck
>borrow flatmate's PS4
>play Bloodborne for free
Did I pirate a console game? How much money did From lose because of me?
>>336591985
And that is related to Japan, how? Does it not have casuals? Is the ps4 selling gorillions to non casuals there? Did BB sold 1M alone in Japan?
>>336593096
>Trophy data shows something like 40% of people never beat the first boss
That's true for most games
>>336593096
>They put arguably the hardest section of the game right at the start as a sort of trial by fire. Instead of the undead asylum you get fucking central yharnam.
Central Yharnam was hard? I'm not being facetious, it seemed really easy for me (maybe because I rarely used shields in Souls), but the DLC area stole my anal virginity without consent and didn't even kiss me goodnight afterwards.
>>336592335
I have both PC and PS4 and I bought the game.
Not day one mind you, I bought it a few weeks after release when it would have been very easy to pirate.
So your faulty assumption that everyone will pirate just because they can, or that everyone who does pirate would have bought the game if they weren't able to pirate, is just bullshit you've pulled out of your ass.
>>336593096
A lot of PS4 owners didn't actually know you could play games on that console, they just bought them to show them off.
>>336593198
Literally bankrupt you fucking asshole.
>Yuria sells purging stones
>using one fails her questline and she fucks off
mixed signals, from
>>336593235
>And that is related to Japan, how?
Japanese people enjoy From games.
>Does it not have casuals? Is the ps4 selling gorillions to non casuals there?
What?
>Did BB sold 1M alone in Japan?
No, but the Japanese market has a great influence on the sales of these games.
>>336592618
With BB in mind, I don't actually like that enemies are more aggressive and as fast as BB in DaS3. It makes for some cheap moments where you have to sit and watch enemies for 30+ seconds go off on a tangent of 3 different combos while you wait and your dodge sometimes isn't fast enough between dodges and/or there isn't a big enough opening to get a hit until "that one combo".
It's annoying and shits on the perfection of the system that DaS1 had. Enemies had stamina and couldn't go on forever in that game. I'm not saying DaS3 is as bad as 2, but enemies having no fucking stamina is exactly what made combat tedious and less "masterful" in DaS2. It's why I went back to 1 while playing 2.
It's just disappointing that DaS3 still has some of the issues that made DaS2 lack fairness at times. It makes me dread and/or not want to play the damn game at times once I reach certain parts. Are they all beatable? Yeah, just like they were in DaS2, but it's not fun and destroys my desire to replay the game. There's less strategies accepted and essentially more focus on specific builds (which btw, is obvious since magic is shit in this game until last 15% of the game) instead of actually allowing for complete customization options. Also considering half the sets in this game are literally pulled from DaS1 I don't have much incentive to enjoy new options since I could just play the more replayable DaS1 and still have those options that are FAR better balanced for the AI than DaS3.
>>336593198
you cucker.It's lucky ppl like you who have the chance to play some good exclusives and I am stuck here with a toaster dreaming about playing DS3.
>>336593043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIi-zuwP9ms
>>336593493
I used the purging stones all the time and she didn't care. Are you sure you didn't give the firekeeper souls to the firekeeper or something?
guys
What if
Ocelote = OCEiros + shanaLOTE
>>336593493
It doesn't, purging stones get rid of hollowing, not the Dark Sigil.
>>336592898
Why are you trying to put words in my mouth or avoid the point? Do you think Bloodborne made more money than *Souls because Sony paid From an amount of money that we don't even know? I'm just saying, given the data that we have, games by From sell more when multiplat than exclusive. Nice article though, "Is it Bloodborne 2?" and nothing concrete. By the way I went through the trouble of searching fireden for the source.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIi-zuwP9ms&feature=youtu.be&t=46
>>336593131
>they weren't paid to go exclusive, they were paid to go exclusive
>it wouldn't exist if Sony hadn't approached From.
Citation needed.
>>336588000
I'm not finished with DS3 yet, but I like them both for different reasons.
>>336593336
You can find whining all over the internet. Remember that giant bonfire? People were just running at it and trying to fight 15 or 20 enemies all at once. Plus you can't level up until you encounter a boss, so they just smashed their head against that wall for some time, I saw some people say it took them a week or two before it clicked.
>>336593295
Fair enough, but people got fucked in central yharnam.
>>336593452
Cool. I have a bunch of steam games with 0 hours played so I won't judge.
>>336592624
Everyone on /v/ who owns a ps4 also owns a PC decent enough to play most games. The falseflagging and trolling are fun for some people.
>>336592143
Fair analysis. Although DaS2 is full of shit areas and repeat content.
>>336593497
>No, but the Japanese market has a great influence on the sales of these games.
Source?
>>336593704
Both had really good PVE but shit PVP. The First Hunters DLC overall makes Bloodborne slightly better but if we get the same quality of DLC in DaS3 then I'd say it wins out.
>>336587640
Watch the blooddrones sperg about nioh now. Its their new pacifier.
>>336593962
Nioh is actually fun as hell. I don't care about console wars, I'm not 12 anymore. Nioh is just fun because I like action games. I hope PC bros get it at some point too.
>>336588402
Oh wow.
>>336593096
Only reason I say hamfisted is because they went waay overboard. They didn't feel like it was enough to have some mechanics to make up for shields, so they went out of control making the game much simpler. To be fair though, it is fun to play. I don't agree with lore being a solid defense though, The lore is a very simplistic thing to modify to fit mechanics. It's like the damn sticking your fist into everything instead of just making individual animations for each weapon despite having the smallest list of weapons in any souls game.
>>336587640
BB had a high budget due to sony contract and thus was far more ambitious.
>>336588138
>implying any of the sales money made it past Sony,Microsoft,Steam licensing fee+Scamco cut
Fromsoft definitely made more profit over BB than Dark Souls ,waived off licensing fees,much better cut than scamco gave them,etc.
>>336594305
>Fromsoft definitely made more profit over BB than Dark Souls
Nice source.
I have a question, what is the +number next to the physical stat when you browse a weapon, is it a sort of bonus? Say my weapon atm is 195+ 57, but if I infuse it, it will be 175+ 92, would the 175+92 be stronger or wut? pls respond
>>336594128
That's fair. I kind of liked that because your hand looks clawlike when you do it, feels like your hunter is turning beastlike in the moment. But I recognize it was just to save on animation costs.
I didn't feel it went overboard, the game's combat feels fairly unique to itself, I didn't want to play a soul game for the fourth time I wanted something new.
The way you dash around almost reminded me of the way they did strafing in armored core games, it felt natural and fun.
Some people play souls games for the rpg side of it and some for the action side it of. I'm on the action side, I like games like dmc etc so bloodborne was my cup of tea for sure. You say it' simpler, but only in some ways. The timing for dodging some of the attacks can be a lot tighter and with how aggressive the bosses are your brain has to be constantly on the go. Contrast this with souls where I can back up take a breather and plan my next attack.
They're both interesting and difficult just in different ways and so they're going to appeal to different people.
>>336594305
Don't be delusional bro. Dark Souls is their more profitable franchise.
>>336587640
Because you're just salty that you will NEVER EVER play bb. :^)
>>336594498
>>336594606
Really valid counter points my friends
>>336594710
Really valid source my friend.
>>336593584
Any chance From will show this at E3?
>>336594710
You made the claim, you should prove it.
>>336594710
>X made Y
>prove X made Y
>lol nice counterpoint fgt git gud bitch
>>336594741
Do you have one that says otherwise ?
I thought not.
Until we get either we can only speculate ,but you seem to have nothing that refutes my theory
>>336590217
Boreal Valley if you did the Cathedral of the Deep and Smouldering Lake prior.
>>336594857
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-07-01-dark-souls-series-sales-surpass-8-5-million
And this is not even including DaS 3.
Are you really delusional enough to think Bloodborne made more money?
>>336588605
>best
>chalice dungeons
>bloodgems
>no humanity/effigy/ember system
>PvP broke as shit
>Uncanny and Lost weapons
>Blood Vials
>Insight not doing anything past like 44
>Literally the worst Covenants + no rewards
Dude BB is awesome but Dark III has objectively better mechanics.
>>336588138
>imply that sales made more money than Sony's exclusivity deal
No it didn't here's why
>hurr durr you made the claim
No I didn't make the claim,the person I replied to implied something which had no evidence nor logical basis
>>336594741
>>336594789
>>336594848
>>336595015
These numbers don't even take into consideration the money lost from pirating. If they sell 4 million copies on PC but 4 million copies get pirated, then they're actually losing money by porting.
I know how these things work, I read PS4 exclusives threads, ask me anything.
>>336594857
You're the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you.
>Until we get either we can only speculate
Okay, so next time say "Fromsoft probably made more profit over BB than Dark Souls" rather than baiting for (You)s like a fuckwad.
high level bloodborne play right here
>>336595167
>money lost from pirating
insignificant there is no metric to how much is lost or gained from pirating its a huge misnomer that devs use to enforce shitty piracy "laws" and ToS/EULA agreements
>>336595240
Literally a release webm?
>>336595167
>money lost from pirating.
>>336595194
Read the post I replied to you retard
He made the implication that Sony's exclusivity deal didn't give them as much profit as the extra sales
He's the one who needs to back it up
Until he does I don't have to either
>>336595059
I liked chalice dungeons and I was disappointed that DS3 didn't have them. I think they should have had either no exclusive content and been totally optional or had a lot and felt more rewarding though.
I think DS3 does a lot of things better but the entire time I'm playing it I feel bored with my weapon, I miss trick weapons man, the movesets were so fun.
I also wish DS3 would shit or get off the pot with armour. It does next to nothing so it could just be a fashion thing, but they tied it to a useless stat.
So either dump into a garbage stat for next to no actual defensive increase, or just wear the same 10 or so armours as everyone else.
>>336587640
>Why should From bother with exclusives?
Because they get their pay before the game is even out.
>>336588402
DELETE THIS
>>336593626
>>336593635
Well fuck. I read a guide for the usurp ending that said never to use purging stones. Guess they were wrong.
>>336595240
If it was ds3 it would be 4 dudes r1ing a phantom with a dark sword or estoc instead.
>>336595167
>the money lost from pirating
love this meme
>>336595240
Go away. this thread isn't complete shit for once.
>>336595059
DaS3 has some dumb as shit mechanics mate, like partial parries being much worse than standing still and getting hit in the face, poise not working, kick consuming more stamina than it drains on heavy shields, worse phantom range than ever before, Darkmoon Blade summon queue being completely fucked for no discernible reason.
I'm sad to say but both Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 have a lot more shitty, broken, retarded mechanics than even DaS2. That said they play better so we're able to overlook those most of the time.
>>336595167
>These numbers don't even take into consideration the money lost from pirating
How about you just take into consideration the money lost from potential Bloodborne sales because they saw you had to buy a PS4 to play it? Fuck off already.
Demons' was better than both so there's a thing.
>>336595132
>this guy is spewing shit so I can spew shit too
You fit right in.
>>336595683
It's a good game but not the best like you retards keep screaming it is
>>336595423
>I liked chalice dungeons and I was disappointed that DS3 didn't have them.
Someone didn't find the demon ruins.
>>336595015
Those numbers don't mean shit,they're of 2 games combined one of which has been released for 5 years and the other for 2.
Comparing DaS3 and BB was the thread topic,stick to that
>>336595679
How did the second line not clue you in that it was bait?
>>336595885
>merely pretending
>>336595939
No really, use your head anon.
Call of duty games outsold almost every game each year.
Doesn't make it the better or best game.
I don't own bloodborne or a ps4 so your "shill" excuses don't work
>>336595857
Hardy har. Seriously though what a weird area. I rexplored them like 5 times convinced I must have missed a boss or something.
I figured there was no way they would put the boss before a dungeon with nothing in it (meaning other bosses or something), but they did it the absolute madmen.
>>336595864
If BB made so much money why is their next title multiplat?
>>336595985
No really, I was just pretending. Read my post. Can't you tell it was bait? I just baited you into replying again, fucker.
>>336596147
No one said one game is superior to the other, nice reading comprehension.
>>336596147
Who or what are you even responding to?
>>336596250
Bamco
>>336595059
>Chalice Dungeons
they were ok and added some note hours to total PT
>bloodgems
more ways to spec your weapon to your character (pre-DLC shafted arcane build I'll give you that)
>no humanity/effigy/ember system
that would make bloodborne easy, plus different world, different rules
>broken PVP
I'll give you that, I hated PVP because I could never find any fights and bulletspam
>lost/uncanny weapons
added weapon customization variety
>blood vials
I guess those were too abundant is your argument, which I'll agree with
>insight not doing anything past 44
I think you need 60 or 80 for a blood rock, at 60 you hear a baby cry in the background (normally can't be heard before before beating Micolash)
>worst covenants + no rewards
100% bullshit I agree, only bothered with cainhurst to get the armor and edgy sword
>>336596250
because they signed a three game contract
>>336596360
Who said Bamco is involved?
If they want me to play it, then it needs to be on PC.
I don't care what reasons they have for doing exclusives, I don't care what they can or can't do because it's multiplat.
I don't care.
I'm not buying a console for one game or even five games, so if it's not on PC, then I'm not playing it. It's that simple for me.
>>336596491
Nice source, bro.
>>336595410
Given the data we have, Bloodborne has made less money than the Souls series. Therefore we can assume it has made more money for the developer.
>b-but fees
Unless YOU have shit to back this up, then stop shitposting.
>>336587640
I got a PS4 yesterday with both DaS3 and Bloodborne. Bloodborne kinda sucks when compared to Dark Souls. It's pretty much just a shittier Dark Souls with guns and goth fashion. I feel like I wasted my money on it.
>>336588858
I associate with a lot of normies and football players at my university, I find it to be the opposite. Xbox is the normie console and the normies think ps4 is for weebshit/anime/etc
>>336596629
Whoa I don't think that's how you use commas, provide a source that you can use them that way.
>>336596250
They also have an exclusive in the pipeline
http://wccftech.com/ps4-exclusive-jrpg-allegedly-worked-from-software/
Bloodborne was a critically acclaimed PS4 game, at a time where there weren't that many to pick from.
I suspect that there are a hell of a lot of people who played bloodborne that weren't invested in the Souls series, but then bought DS3 because the liked Bloodborne so much.
I mean, DS3 was always going to outsell BB for this reason alone, and they may have recruited a whole new army of console plebs into the Souls dedicated family.
>>336588000
but it is.... don't be mad that you didn't get to play it
>>336596658
I'd be mad as well if I spent 500$ to play just one exclusive but really, Bloodborne isn't a bad game. It's not the best but it's definitely a solid title and a worthy member of the enlarged Souls family.
