>The financial statements of the company that provides Nintendo's ROM chips - used in both consoles and for 3DS game cartridges - have sparked speculation as to whether the upcoming Nintendo NX will drop the use of optical disc drives in favour of cartridges.
As spotted by Screen Critics, Chinese memory manufacturer Macronix is reportedly expecting an increased order of ROM chips from Nintendo, and company chairman Wu Miin made specific reference to the NX in his financial briefing (reported by Money-Link and translated by NeoGAF user Jim_Cacher):
"In the past, Macronix sales performance usually peaked at third quarter, while declined at the fourth quarter. However, Wu Miin pointed out that because Nintendo has announced that the new platform will be launched in March next year, orders should be placed in advance. Therefore, the operating revenue of Macronix in the fourth quarter may be as good as the third quarter."
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/05/rumour-nintendo-nx-to-drop-discs-for-cartridges
>According to the Blu-ray Disc specification, 1x speed is defined as 36Mbps. However, as BD-ROM movies will require a 54Mbps data transfer rate the minimum speed we're expecting to see is 2x (72Mbps). Blu-ray also has the potential for much higher speeds, as a result of the larger numerical aperture (NA) adopted by Blu-ray Disc
Nintendo san
noooooooooooooooooooooo
The NX is a handheld with power just a tad below the Wii-U. People are gonna freak.
This would be awesome, if they do ROM chips. Way cheap, no moving parts needed in the console, no disc scratching, big storage, can be used for both console and handheld, LOAD TIMES DEAD KEK
I hope it's true.
Only way that would make sense is if the cart can be inserted into the home console and the handheld portion for portable gaming. Otherwise, if theres no handheld part, copying data from a BD to the internal HDD is a lot more cheaper and since everyone is doing it, Nintendo doesn't lose much
>>336565717
>big storage
Well ...
No BC, then?
SONY BTFO
MICROSOFT BTFO
THE TRUE NEXT GEN IS HERE, FOLKS
MORE DATA THAN A BLU-RAY
NO LOAD TIMES
NINTENDO DID IT
THEY WON
>>336564775
This rumor is old as fuck, come up with newer ideas to shitpost
>>336564775
Or you could just use a hard drive and install everything. It's both faster and cheaper. It's like consolefags don't even know how to use technology.
>>336565873
Blu Rays go up to 50GB.
Look at the cards in the OP image.
>>336565969
Digital only and the console fails before it's even officially revealed.
>>336565924
>Nintendo deluxe model 32GB
>Nintendo NX comes with 64GB
>Improvement
>>336565969
Yeah, a digital only Nintendo console, what could possibly go wrong?
>>336566131
Lmao literally what are you even talking about, retard?
>>336564775
Instead of paying $0.05 for a triple-layer Blu-ray, publishers will be able to pay $10 for a 64GB card. Brilliant!
This only makes sense for a portable device because the PSP is the only handheld ever to use optical media.
>>336565905
They might do BC for digitally bought games. I'll feel like a million bucks cause I'm DIGITAL ONLY MASTER RACE
>>336566131
Read the article, it's not the console that's going to be 32gb, it's the cardrige supposedly.
>>336566048
Yes, the cards in the OP cost at least 100x more to manufacture than a Blu-ray disc.
>>336566257
Sony has a tax for everyone but them using Blu-ray.
>>336566257
>$10 for a 64GB card
$25 for 256GB Class 10
>>336566257
Triple-layer isn't a thing
>>336564775
Not gonna happen if it's a console.
But we still don't fucking know if it's a console or handheld how is that even possible.
>>336564775
That would be great.
Discs are too big, I want GC sized Blu Ray discs.
>>336566101
>>336566212
You can install from a disc, you know.
>>336566449
No they don't, Sony doesn't even own Blu-ray. It's owned by a consortium of companies. Even then, you don't have to license Blu-ray movie playback. Publishers would be much happier with Nintendo eating the small hardware cost of Blu-ray. These are the same people that wont' even use h.264 in games because it costs them $0.02 per copy of a game sold. Instead they opt to use Bink which blows dick because it only costs $8000 per game game developed.
>>336566492
Where is a 256GB SD card available for $25?
30Mb/sec $23 dolars
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-microSD-SDCX10-64GB/dp/B009X0G304
50 Verbatim 25gb blu ray: $50 dolars ($1 each)
http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-DataLifePlus-Single-Layer-Recordable-Printable/dp/B004477BQQ
Reminder that 3DS games have load times.
>>336566048
>Implying nintendo games needs more than 5gb
>>336566212
>>336566101
yeah just like the PC guys, all of its content is digital no wonder PC gaming is dying
>>336566616
Yes it is, that's what the new 4K Blu-ray supports. 100GB triple layer discs.
>>336566884
>Where is a 256GB SD card available for $25?
I couldn't find, I was thinking about the 64GB one
>>336566616
$10 dollars for fewer load times and 5 times the memory, such a fucking ripoff
>>336566929
Reminder that the hardware isnt the best in 3Ds
>>336566956
>100GB triple layer discs.
>He thinks anyone is naive enough to believe such a thing
>mfw
>>336566929
>implying drones differentiate between load times and seek times.
>512 GB SD card
What the fuck happened? I remember that shit holding 4 GB at most with garbage R/W speeds.
Can we stop confusing stuff like SNES cartridges with memeory cards?
Because it's fucking annoying how people do it all the time
When you copy a thousand pics from a micro sd to your pc, stop it happen instantl? No? Thwn there is no non-existant load time.
Every 3ds and Vita game has loading times, some are worse than on-disc games
Yes, I'm fucking mad
>>336567340
Gramps please, times are changing.
>>336567145
It's a real thing, are you fucking with me?
>>336566932
I was expecting someone retarded enough to bring PC into that discussion.
Isn't this what /v/ would love to happen? Have cartridges back?
And honestly, since there are fucking SD and micro SD cards that have a SHITTON more space than your average CD/DVD/Bluray, I'm surprised people haven't hopped this bandwagon earlier.
And it'd solve the loading times issue too.
Yeah, there's the whole expenses shit ordeal, but surely, there must be a way to make them affordable? It can't be THAT hard.
And people would trust games on other people's hands, knowing it won't be scratched beyond help.
>>336567352
Yeah, to not have load times the NX would have to use cards with like 500MB/s read speeds. At 100MB/s there would still be noticeable load times if the system has 8GB of RAM or more. The upgraded hard drive in my PS4 hits around 100MB/s of sequential read speeds yet shit can still take 30 or more seconds to load. The only difference with flash memory is that there isn't any time wasted seeking on the drive.
>let's repeat the mistake that nearly ruined our company 20 years ago
What did Nintendo mean by this
>>336567693
>And honestly, since there are fucking SD and micro SD cards that have a SHITTON more space than your average CD/DVD/Bluray, I'm surprised people haven't hopped this bandwagon earlier.
They also cost more than the actual game.
In a $60 game, the blank dvd costs less than $1. If you put the game on a $30 SD card (remember that you need a good one if you want fast reading speeds, not a chinese noname), you're looking at $90-$100 games.
>>336567693
Bait, the post
>>336567352
Compare the size of current games with those from the snes. Superior seek and load times don't mean shit when you have to wait for everything to get processed by the system.
>>336567352
Nintendo hipsters don't know the difference between memory card and cartridges
it's pretty 2016
>>336567693
>And it'd solve the loading times issue too.
Memory stick games have loading times :)
>>336567693
>SHITTON more space than your average CD/DVD/Bluray
Yes, at SHITTON more cost per copy of game. Game development is expensive enough as is, now you want publishers to spend $10 to manufacture each copy of the game?
>And it'd solve the loading times issue too.
Not if the NX has the same amount of RAM as the PS4 and Xbox One. The fastest SD cards currently read at around 100MB/s. With an SSD in the PS4 you can still get read speeds of around 3x that, and guess what. You still have noticeable load times.
>Yeah, there's the whole expenses shit ordeal, but surely, there must be a way to make them affordable? It can't be THAT hard.
You're kidding right? Flash memory will never be cheaper to manufacture than optical media.
Nintendo loves making new consoles out of industrial discards found there and there. Anyone expecting a competition for hardware is really delusional.
They're going for the gimmick.
The question is, will said gimmick convince everyone enough (aka it doesn't matter if it's shit) into buying the NX like the DS and Wii managed to?
>>336564775
Rumor: NX DOA
"Why are we making this thing again?" Said CEO Kimishima.
>>336568073
>You're kidding right? Flash memory will never be cheaper to manufacture than optical media.
It's going to be cheaper in Nintendo fan minds.
They have to have something to dream.
>>336564775
No lie, if they have actual chunky plastic cartridges ala pre GCN, I'm completely sold.
>>336564775
I making a thread like this in 2012.
>>336564775
Fuck yes. Cartridges are better for collecting. We 1996 again. Is it possible that my wishes will come true and 2017 is the year of Nintendo and Trump?
>>336568097
>The question is, will said gimmick convince everyone enough (aka it doesn't matter if it's shit) into buying the NX like the DS and Wii managed to?
As long as they have hipsters shilling for their shit, it will sell.
>>336567495
Bitch please, we're behind schedule.
This actually makes a lot of sense with what we already know.
They've merged the handheld and console hardware divisions and we already know this was part of a concerted effort to make sure that in the future the two would be like "brothers in a family of systems" similar to how devices of different size and power can run the same software with iOS and Android. This was in aid of reducing software shortages by combining the library of the portable and console markets, essentially finding a way to leverage Nintendo's dominance in the handheld market to boost support for their home consoles.
Nintendo's handhelds have always used cartridge media, and now that that media has become cheap and high-capacity enough to compete with discs, it makes perfect sense as part of their strategy of merging portables and consoles that they'd be using the same media type for both.
What this will basically mean is if you buy a game, you'll be able to put it in either your handheld or your console.
Cartridges are a much cooler form of media to collect games on than discs are on top of that. Sounds good to me.
>>336568541
>that media has become cheap and high-capacity enough to compete with discs
Find me a 25GB SD card for 0.98 cents (the price of a Verbatim Blu Ray)
>>336568605
Enough to compete doesn't mean it's equivalent.
>>336568453
>VR only lifeforms
That's a fancy name for what nowadays we call "anime grills"
Going back to cartidges Pros:
>Smaller form factor
>Faster load times
>10x more durable
Going back to cartidges Cons:
>No BC
>All hope for a Nintendo console that can just play some goddamn DVDs is dead
Because its a handheld hybrid
In the future is going to be possible to pirate PS4 and Xbox games and the price of the blu ray writers is lowering each year
I'd rather have my Blu ray backups/pirated games than stupid Memory Stick games
>>336568541
>and now that that media has become cheap and high-capacity enough to compete with discs, it makes perfect sense as part of their strategy of merging portables and consoles that they'd be using the same media type for both.
DVD's are piss cheap as are Bluray's now that the latter is not new technology. Cases for both are standardized and also piss cheap.
>>336568680
>Enough to compete doesn't mean it's equivalent.
Enough to compete doesn't mean 20 times the price of a blu ray.
>>336568702
>play some DVDs
Who fucking cares? Who doesn't have a DVD/bluray player already if they actually want one? Fuck that, I want game consoles that are game consoles, I don't want these all-encompassing "media platforms" that end up just being shittier versions of my PC.
>>336568702
>2016
>implying anyone uses DVDs/blue rays
>>336568680
>Enough to compete
SD 64 gb Sandisk = $20
TDK Blu Ray Dual Layer 50GB = 0.99 cents
>>336568605
Bruh, we know it's cheaper to use BD, we all fucking know it, but that doesn't necessarily make it better or the only choice.
>>336568702
>No BC
This is inexcusable, especially for a Nintendo system.
>All hope for a Nintendo console that can just play some goddamn DVDs is dead
If you don't already have a device that can play DVDs you're beyond destitute.
>>336567660
just as retarded as the comments saying it will die because it will be digital only
>>336568857
>Who fucking cares? Who doesn't have a DVD/bluray player already if they actually want one?
You realize there are some people in the world who don't have that much disposable income? A games console for many is a multiple-use device, you fucking clueless basement dweller.
>>336568768
Nobody cares about the opinion of a filthy piratefag that doesn't contribute at anything so
>>336568995
Nintendo has never had BC on their cpnsoles. Never. Online store doesn't count. Even on their handhelds it was rare when all totaled.
But hey
It's just a theory....
>>336569072
no one cares about poorfags
>>336568975
>but that doesn't necessarily make it better or the only choice.
It's cheaper
Also
>The new 4K Blu Ray is 108Mbps for 66GB discs, and 128Mbps for 100GB discs
So yes, it's better.
>>336569215
vWii isn't an online store.
>>336568975
>but that doesn't necessarily make it better or the only choice.
AHAHAHA
The cheaper widespread format isn't preferable to what is literally a snowflake gimmick technology in 2016?
>>336564775
but we already knew this
>>336568958
Sounds to me like you are comparing the price of buying a single SD to the cost of manufacturing a single disc.
N64 carts cost about $15 to manufacture, and that cost will have significantly lowered now.
Obviously bluray discs are still much cheaper, but solid state media is cheap enough now that it can compete, as proven by the success of the DS/3DS compared to disc based competition.
>>336569246
a gay theory
>>336568702
We won't have BC even if they go for Blu-ray. Nintendo need to make a new architecture, so unless they go full retard BC will be dropped.
Durability is a disadvantage. People don't account for durability at all when they buy games, however, it would reduce the number of games breaking, and thus the sales. Pure disadvantage.
You also forgot the price as a disadvantage, probably the biggest one.
doubt it
SD cards cost a hell of alot more to produce than disc based media
>>336569215
>wii plays gcn
>wii u plays wii
>gba plays all gb games
>ds plays gb
>3ds plays ds
nintendo never has BC!
>>336569246
I love MatPat he's awesome and a huge faggot :3
>>336565905
sure there will be
but you will have to buy super mario 3 for the 12th time
The advantage of flash memory is that you can just bring your cart to the store and load up the game. This removes another issue with downloading games, and will lead to a digital only future. This is why publishers were said to be expressing interest.
Nintendo did the same shit with the FDS, so they already have proof that the concept works.
>>336564775
This is a good thing. If they get rid of the dvd / bluray drive, then they can put more graphics in the console.
>>336569215
yeah dude, Remember when the Wii couldn't play Gamecube games, what fucking bullshit was that
>>336569116
>filthy piratefag
I may use the pirate "technology" for backups so yes, I want to be able to have my PS4 and Xbox backups and play them
:)
>>336569072
Nigger you can buy a bluray player on amazon for less than the cost of a video game. If you can afford to buy an NX and games for it then you have already bought a bluray player if you want one.
>>336569398
also GC and super nintendo played gameboy
>>336569419
>so they already have proof that the concept works.
Was the Famicom Disk System actually successful? They never attempted it again and it never left Japan.
>>336569505
>>336569398
Hope that dude was baiting because he should be feeling pretty stupid right now
>>336569332
>as proven by the success of the DS/3DS compared to disc based competition.
What's the size of a 3DS game?
The success of 3DS have nothing to do with its medium storage
stop trying to jew me
>>336569289
>>336569318
>literal retards incapable of even conceiving of the notion that other media formats are possible much less plausible as technology advances
These same type of arguments were made by people saying going to discs is a huge mistake and carts were never going to be surpassed. Good job getting left behind on the march of technology yet again, mongos.
>>336569420
>This is a good thing. If they get rid of the dvd / bluray drive, then they can put more graphics in the console.
Literally what. The amount of money saved by not putting in a DVD drive will not increase the specifications of the hardware at all.
>N64 carts cost about $15 to manufacture, and that cost will have significantly lowered now
>low demand
>uncommon format
>it's somehow cheaper
>>336565924
>no load times
Ahm ...
Actually
>>336565353
Meaning it's 10 times less powerful than the lastest iPad
Wonderful
>>336567352
>copying hundreds of files at one time is the equivalent of streaming various data that corresponds to what you are doing in game
Remove yourself from the gene pool you fuck.
>>336569657
>literal retards incapable of even conceiving of the notion that other media formats are possible much less plausible as technology advances
You are just trying to pretend in the next few years SD cards will cost $1 dollar.
It won't happen
>>336565075
FYI, UHS SD cards cap at 45 MegaBYTES per second read, and have no seek time.
Blu Ray discs currently have a maximum read of 16x36 MegaBITS per second, or roughly 72 MegaBYTES per second.
While it's faster, it still has seek times.
However, Blu-Rays also only cost about $0.35 each to produce.
ROM chips would cost about $4-$5 each to produce, and that doesn't count the required PCB development for it to sit on.
>>336569657
>These same type of arguments were made by people saying going to discs is a huge mistake and carts were never going to be surpassed.
No, the comparison of the NX using SD cartridges is like going back to floppy disks when the superior, cheaper, more widespread format exists with a better storage capacity to price ratio.
Fucking idiot.
>>336569798
Son I was paying 40 dollars for 512 MB in 2006 for the PSP. You can get 64 gigs for 20 bucks now.
Most current Nintendo wiiU games are around 1~3gigs in size so it makes sense.
>>336569453
Next thing you tell me you got the backup from a game you bought after pirating it because you liked it.
>>336569905
>ROM chips would cost about $4-$5 each to produce
So UHS SD cards cost $4-5 each? no way.
>>336569554
As far as I'm aware it was, but I don't know how widespread the writing machines were, nor how popular.
I imagine if the 64DD was successful, we might have seen them attempt the in store writing of disks again.
>>336566048
>Blu Rays go up to 50GB.
Actually, they have 128GB Blu-Rays that are being sold now for 4K video.
>>336569969
>You can get 64 gigs for 20 bucks now
Blurays are still cheaper and can store more. What's the next ""argument""?
>>336570012
I may pirate, I may not , I like to download games before I buy if they don't get discount after 6 months and the price tag is $59,99
If is a superb game like Metal Gear HD collection or Halo 5 I'll pay 60 bucks otherwise NO
>>336570054
Who the fuck sells at the same price they manufacture
Nintendo is going to use SD cards because they are a kike company
They choose to use mini discs because they refused to pay 30 cents to the DVD Forum
Fuck them
>>336569905
>However, Blu-Rays also only cost about $0.35 each to produce.
They're much cheaper than that to manufacture on a massive scale.
>>336567864
>phones use cards
I know you're pretending to be retarded, but, there are no new formats hyped, so no one cares.
Nintendo is so obsessive with pirating that they refused to use CDRs to use ROM cartridges that were 15 dollars more expensive to the developers thus less developers making games for them
>>336566771
Yeah after about 50 years.
This is so completely out of touch that it's believable.
>>336571323
Nintendo fanbase, ladies and gentlemen. Children who don't have the patience for a 10 minute install.
>>336568453
Was expecting nanomachines in biotech
Hey guys, Nintendo insider here. Recently we've started to manufacture a test run of the NX carts and believe me when I say that the NX will have absolutely no loading times thanks to them. Here's a photo of how do they look inside.
The question is: Are they making it retrocompatible with Wii U and Wii (thus GC)?
That's what holding me of buying a U.
>>336571865
You can't fool me anon, that's an iPhone motherboard. It even has the BIOS battery attached to it.
>>336564775
>Cartridges
Please god no Nintendo already does pimited prints as it is.
>>336571692
25 seconds loading
>FUCKING DESTROYED THE GAME EXPERIENCE
That's Nintendo people right there
Star Fox 64 3DS limited print
>It's still 35 bucks used
GREAT NINTENDO THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME NOT WANTING TO PIRATE YOUR STUFF
>>336564775
so a 90MB/s cartridge would be okay?
what are you telling me?
WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO FEEL ABOUT THIS OP
>>336572275
If it's BC, it will be only to the previous gen (i.e. Wii U), based on every other nintendo console.
>>336564775
THANK GOD
>>336570305
You pirate. Fucking liar. Stop trying to justify it
>>336573459
Blu Rays are already 90MB/sec
nintendoers are delusional
Also SD games have loading times
![20160505_162747[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LfYl7Ws.jpg "20160505_162747[1].jpg")
>>336572557
>It even has the BIOS battery attached to it
I told you it was from a test run, here's one of the newer samples we've just received.
>>336573716
I'm not justifying it, I'm saying what I do and what I want to do
:)
I pirated the hell out of PS2 and 360 and I don't regret it.
MY THEME: TRY BEFORE YOU BUY
>>336573813
looks legit, it even has Nintendo written on it.
Reminder that all games these days are installed onto hdd so optical speed is irrelevant.
Reminder that sd card loading will be slower than loading from hdd like current consoles.
This is a backwards step. Slower and more expensive. Why don't people understand this? Are you literally stupid?
>>336573813
>>336571865
>puttting masking tape and other things on you GTX980i
wtf is wrong with you people
>>336574076
>all games these days are installed onto hdd
Nintendo is always 10 years behind in hardware, not even all Wii U games are installed on HDD.
>>336565969
>HDD drives never fail.
>>336574168
>discs are never scratched
>>336574151
it's ok, he'll give it a good scrub afterwards
>>336574076
>This is a backwards step. Slower and more expensive. Why don't people understand this? Are you literally stupid?
Contrarians have to shit post and say that Nintendo is right because they are fucking hipsters
>>336574168
They don't fail that often and even when they do, what's the big deal? All of my PS4 games automatically backup saves and I can re-download them if necessary.
>>336574158
Can't argue with you on that pham. True words
>>336574259
better be with distilled water cos everything else has impuritys
>>336569674
It'll be more graphically impressive (excludes AA) but you with laggy as fuck UI, lol webbrowser and a bunch of reject apps to make it feel like its a multimedia device.
Oh good, cartridges! Will the console turn piss yellow in about 3 years too?
Even the 360 allows you to save your gave in your Hard drive
Wii U doesn't :(
>Installing an Xbox 360 game on a hard drive requires between 4 and 8 gigabytes (GB) of free disk space.
>After installing a game on your hard drive, you still need to have the game disc in the disc drive when you start the game.
>>336574382
uh yeah, sure
>>336566321
Haha silly, goy. Those aren't your games to own, you'll have to buy them again if you want to play them on the latest system.
>>336568605
Im sure sony get there discs for $.000003 actually, and nintendo will pay $.0009 for the carts. Youre a consumer so only you pay that much for a disc/memory card, bitch
nintendo 64 games had between 8-16 MB
yes they are not intelligent
Say what you want, the return of cartridges would be huge boom in marketing.
Doubt it'll happen though.
>>336575320
>and nintendo will pay $.0009 for the carts
The developers have to pay for the cart you dummy
Many 3DS games had limited print due to price of the memory stick
The fees are much higher than optical discs
>>336575367
Conker's Bad Fur Day was on a 64MB cartridge.
>>336569072
Lol. If you're so poor that you can't afford a $50 blu-ray player, but you're buying a console, then you need to re evaluate your fucking priorities. He's right, these shitty mini-PCs that barely play games need to fucking go.
>>336569072
>Calls someone a basement dweller while outing himself as a poorfag
>>336575595
Only two or three games had 64MB (512Mbit) mos tof them were 8-16
>>336575726
So? They still exceeded the 16 MB you claimed.
>>336569662
>64MB of EEPROM costs the same as it did in 1998
You are dumb.
>>336572960
Sony ponies everybody.
>>336575879
>games are 64MB large as they were in 1998
>>336575839
why do we have to write full sentences for Nintendo autists to understand?
Do you really want me to write which games had more than 16 MB ? you think this is reddit?
YOU THINK THIS IS REDDIT?! FUCK OFF YOU HIPSTER
>No NX at E3
>Half a year more with this NX "leak" shit
>>336574076
They still don't install the entire game onto the HDD, you moron. Or do you honestly believe games coming out now are only 300 mb?
>A handheld is going to use cartridges
Did we really need a rumor to tell us this?
>>336576017
He literally said that N64 carts would cost less to manufacture now than in 1998. Can you fucking read?
Now Nintendo kids are donating to Maria Mint since she has no job?
Don't forget to buy her gifts and pay 800 bucks for a blowjob
>A website operated by Mint described her as a "smart, saucy Seattle escort". The page has now been taken down "for maintenance".
The services on offer include a six hour dinner date with "time to play in private" for $1,000 and a "two day sensual stayaction" for $4,000.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/fired-nintendo-worker-alison-rapp-7737634
>it's affordable to the consumer
It's still more expensive than discs, I rmemeber hearing that a cart with 50GB would cost in bulk around 5 dollars while a bluray costs like less than a dollar. Given how games are expected to sell more than 5 million to make a profit these days, good luck convincing developers/publishers to make 25million+ less money because Nintendo didn't learn a thing from the N64.
It's fine for handhelds because games rarely reach the 5gb mark, but if you want a curent gen console game, the size is closer to the 50gb mark. Unless you're willing to pay 30$ more for your games, it's not gonna happen.
Nintendo should stop being so fucking stubborn with the gimmicks and make a straight console with a fucking bluray player.
>but le bluray license
It's probably cheaper to pay that than to develop and manufacture your own proprietary drive.
Another delusional thread for you kids
Why bother trying to make the sinking ship float?
>>336568702
>All hope for a Nintendo console that can just play some goddamn DVDs is dead
That's dead regardless. Nintendo would never pay the royalties.
>>336567340
There are MicroSD cards up to 200 GB now
costs like a lot of fucking money, but they exist
>>336576050
All I was doing was pointing out that your post was incorrect. Even 64MB is weak compared with the storage CDs offered, so there is no real reason not to write accurately.
If my intention was to defend Nintendo, I'd point out that the additional storage was only really useful for FMV or redbook audio.
>>336568702
>cons
and price of cartridges being more expensive than discs, which is probably the worst part of it for both consumers and devs and publishers
>>336565075
Wait what? I thought BDs were faster than 4.5-6.75MB/s.
Thats like DVD speeds.
>>336568702
Here's another con: No third party support.
>>336576950
that's the speed the Blu-ray movie format reads at, 1.5x. The PS3 Blu-ray drive was a 2x drive capable of 9MB/s read speeds. The PS4 / One Blu-ray drives are 6x, capable of 27MB/s read speeds.
>>336564775
Sounds like a good idea but like games weren't expensive enough already.
Now, if we are talking about internal memory its a great idea.
a 240GB SSD is $50 now.
Panasonic supplies Nintendo with the disc technology for their consoles since the GameCube. The only reasons to drop them are if the technology becomes too expensive OR if becomes unreasonable for them to compete for shelf space.
Carts could mean smaller boxes/cases and if transfer speeds are significantly better than 3DS they might have something going on.
BD-ROM technology however is behind when it comes to transfer rates.
>>336564775
If anything, this is a strong hint it will be a handheld. Hell, the 3DS still uses cartridges. Inb4 someone calls them "cards".
>>336564775
I thought about this years ago when the cards started to be more than 4GB.
>>336564775
I can't get excited for cartridges unless they're as meaty as the N64's was.
>>336569072
A basic ass bluray player is like $45
You can get a CD/DVD/BD drive for your PC for like $30
>>336568605
who cares your still paying for a 59.99 game not just a memory card.
>>336568605
Shark SD cards.
>>336578386
>games will cost more to produce
>with the million sales expected, they'll literally make million dollars less
>implying they wouldn't pass the losses to the consumer
No you would play at least $70 for your game
>>336578584
>No you would play at least $70 for your game
this, maybe even more than $70 or developers not owned by Nintendo will simply ignore the platform
These are the same people that will compromise file size and cutscene quality to save a few grand using Bink video
Nintendo Handhelds all had cartridges and their games have always been cheaper than their home console games. A GBA game was still vheaper than a GC one, even if the GC one was on disc.
>>336578846
zleda sold for 70 in the 90s if I remember at Jews r us.
>>336578928
>A GBA game was still vheaper than a GC one
My memory is kinda vague but I kinda doubt the games available on both platforms were the same.
>>336578928
because they didn't require 50GB capacity and therefore were cheaper
>>336579246
Wasn't Animal Crossing on HC roughly a bunch of Kb?
>Rumour:
discarded
>>336579246
Most 3DS games don't even use the whole cartridge and those are what, 4 or 8 GB by default? The only WiiU game I know of that brushes up against the maximum capacity of a WiiU disc (which I think is 25 GB? Might be 50) is Xenoblade X and that game is fucking massive.
>>336579465
>HC
*GC
>>336579483
25GB IIRC.
>>336578928
handheld cartridges hold 4 gigabytes of data at most
you're a retard if you think ninty will start issuing cartridges at over 200 gigabytes for a home console
>>336578928
>weaker console
>cheaper
No shit.
>>336579483
A big reason reason a lot of games these days are 40-50 GB is because of uncompressed audio, devs don't have to bother compressing it anymore since blurays can hold 50 GB anyways. A lot of repacks done for pirated copies of games shave off a ton of space just by compressing the audio.
>>336579660
Some 3DS games use 8GB cartridges but there aren't many of those. Theoretically they could go bigger but I don't think any dev has bothered .
>>336579660
No game is 200 GB big, tardcunt.
>>336564775
If that gives no more loading times then go ahead.
>>336579851
Cartridges can pretty always go bigger if the devs are willing to pay more to print the game and the hardware supports it
IIRC Conker's Bad Fur Day was 4x the size of a normal N64 cartridge.
>>336576115
Lol are you shitting me, every single retail disk game is like gbs big mate
>>336580237
CBF was only x2, 64MB.
>>336580127
Of course it doesn't, you stupid retard
>>336580617
How butthurt are you? I can smell your autism just by reading your post.
>Wu Miin
>women
hahaha
>>336580475
N64 cartridges went as low as 4MB. Most games were 8MB or 16MB though, with some like OoT and Conker using 32MB or 64MB cartridges.
>>336580748
How new are you?
>>336579096
sure, but I don't think publishers want to pay more for flash memory cards, especially when the advantage over optical media is basically irrelevant when you consider a hard drive.
If it's a portable device that's a whole different story though as optical media obviously does not make sense.
>>336580823
>post dated 2013
I'm kekking like a motherfucker here
>>336564775
I think it'd be pretty cool tbqhfam
>>336568453
All this technology is just going to mean niggers can be lazy and have more kids that don't die. Africa will probably be half the earths population in a 100 years
>>336564775
>tablets user like to download and just play
>nintendo removes disc games
>nintendo anounces mario crush
nothing weird to see here
NX the new N-Gage?
Nintendo really hates 3rd party support, doesn't it?
>>336582147
Yeah, like the 3DS was the next Virtual Boy.
>>336564775
Or maybe it's a handheld. Wii U Zelda confirmed for definitive version,NX is just the vita to the wii U. Only good thing to come from this is a non shitty looking monhun
>>336564775
>read and write speeds
>mattering
Xbone and PS4 just run games off of the hard drive.
>>336583049
>>336564775
>cartridges
HAHAHAHAH! 0 third party support yeyt again.
Those retards truly need to eat shit and die already. What a bunch of backwards, stuck in the past dinosaurs.
Now here's a comment that interested me that knew what they were talking about in the GoNintendo comment section of the same article.
"You are thinking in flash cartridges (similar technology to SD and flash drives) ROM cartridges are a lot cheaper than flash memory. It's read only, it requires a fraction of the transistors compared to Flash drives so they are smaller, use less power and they also are faster. A 64 GB flash drive it's about $10-15 USD retail, buying 10,000 rom chip of that capacity would cost (I'm guessing) maybe $3 USD per unit. So no, it's not a bad move at all."
Given that most Wii U games barely even reach the 25GB limit of the optical disks they do use, how bad does this sound now? This is assuming people are with this old mindset that cartridges are expensive as fuck and while it is true that they are more expensive than optical drives, it's still barely a difference and really not all that expensive when you consider the actual difference between flash cartridges and ROM cartridges.
Of course, a expert on this matter is free to argue with my post.
>>336583161
Should've clarified that they don't matter for bluray discs because no console currently uses the disc as it's playing. So having a faster r/w than bluray doesn't matter.
>>336564775
Cartridges always had Read/Write speeds exceeding that of CDs
The problem was storage space.
That problem does not exist anymore.
>>336583478
>Copypasting shit from Neogaf
I'm gonna FUCK the NX. In the BUTT.
>>336583478
>buying 10,000 rom chip of that capacity would cost (I'm guessing) maybe $3 USD per unit
DVDs and Blurays only cost pennies.
The price would need to be around .10 before it's even worth considering.
>>336583478
>"You are thinking in flash cartridges (similar technology to SD and flash drives) ROM cartridges are a lot cheaper than flash memory. It's read only, it requires a fraction of the transistors compared to Flash drives so they are smaller, use less power and they also are faster.
Mask ROMs are fuckton more expensive than EEPROMs.
That brings me to another con of carts:
They take too long to manufacture. You can order to stamp 1mil blu-rays and you'll have the first batch by the end of the week, while if you ordered to manufacture 1mil carts, by the end of the month you'd still be waiting for the first carts to arrive.
>>336583683
Except that was taken from the comments section in GoNintendo's article about the matter.
Unless GoNintendo is Neogaf now.THE PLOT THICKENS
>>336583049
20MB/s+ random read>1MB/s random read
>>336583683I like going to neogaf to read how they get anally ravaged over shit like unsharted reviews now,I even get off on my pantaloons a little bit
>>336581295
>RF4 sold the best in the series
>kills the company
Sounds about right.
>>336583750
The thing is, that's in case the flash drives/rom chips are 64gb.
If they were, say 32gb, how much would they cost then per unit? Because, if Nintendo were to use this method, would they really make the leap of going straight into making 64gb rom chips?
>>336583996
Can't say I know much about the matter, I did say it was something copied from someone else, which is why I let the post up to debate regarding the possibilities of it.
>>336579465
It was like 20MB, and that's because it was originally an N64 game.
>>336579851
>Some 3DS games use 8GB cartridges
Nope, the largest ones are 4GB.
>>336565924
Pretty sure cartridges costs far more than discs. Enjoy your $90 games.
Seek times are more important than read times. Flash memory doesn't read much faster but it seeks instantly.
>>336568453
How much does flash ROM even cost for something like a cartridge? On a manufacturing scale.
I assume it'd be cheaper than an SD card because it only needs to be written once at manufacture time.
>>336588612
probably cheap as fuck unless they want to implement some shady/weird anti-piracy hardware on them like the PSVita memory cards hardware encryption.
>>336588612
still more expensive than a bluray disc
>>336589293
All memory cards that you buy these days already have an onboard microcontroller, that's not even expensive to implement.
>>336588612
flash is not as cheap as your mom, that's for sure.
>>336564775
>We're finally going back to based carts
good
Who cares if tyou have to pay $10 more per game?
The upgrade seems worth it to me and we are paying $60+ for games anyway.
>>336590628
>The upgrade
What "upgrade" are you talking about?
>>336590915
The same upgrade you get for buying digital
Which is cheaper, not more expensive.
>>336590628
Don't be thick, you'll have to pay more on top of the already existing DLC, season pass and all kinds of nickel and diming schemes.
>>336590628
but then digital would become the clearly superior choice. there's no way Nintendo can be confident enough in the way they handle digital for that
>>336591017
>Which is cheaper, not more expensive.
Ubisoft, EA and Activision disagree.
>>336589643
Not good, outright amazing!
>>336589643
What is this GIF based on? Loading a actual texture in cartridge vs CD?
