>Doomed the entire human race just to save his loli
What an asshole
>>336420659
>didnt actually play the game
>didnt listen to the audio files and conversations
what an asshole
>Character is an asshole the entire game
>Somehow this is a revelation
>>336421053
lol Faggot. What the Hell are you talking about? He lied at the end. He killed them all to save Ellie. That's it. You're the one that didn't actually listen to the collectibles.
>>336420659
Did you even play the game? It was clear that humans deserved to die out.
>>336420659
I look at it as the entire game was showing you what was left of people, and how much more shit they became. He decided humanity was far beyond saving. So, he chose not to save them
>doom Jak & Daxter franchise just to make generic zombie game
What a bunch of assholes.
>>336421772
Jack and daxter was finished anyway
>>336420659
The experiment on Ellie would have been pointless. They wouldn't have learned anything or found a cure.
>>336420659
>bunch of faggot hack doctors that haven't done shit for decades want to chop up your loli
>you can either go balls deep in her watch faggot hack doctors suck at their jobs some more
>like there's a choice
There wasn't a cure, there wasn't going to be a cure. The Fireflies were incompetent and deluded. If all of medical science with full government support couldn't do it, a room full of Larpers playing doctor with zero supplies sure as fuck weren't.
life before loli anon
>>336422149
>bunch of faggot hack doctors that haven't done shit for decades want to chop up your loli
i kek'd
>>336420659
>He's one of the incredible morons with awful riding skills who actually interpreted Marlene's recording as "there are dozends of immune people" even though the recording says it's the only case where the infection didn't cause any symptoms
Wew
>>336420659
He definitely is an asshole, but you gotta look at why he did it.
His daughter was killed by an authority figure for "the greater good". Which ultimately did nothing. It's a good story, because Ellies reason to save humanity is a result of her girlfriends death by the fungus. She deals with it by wanting to cure humanity.
Joel is just the other side of this coin. His daughters death means nothing. It's -how- she died. If he had found her in bed, riddled by shrooms, he would have sacrificed Elli in the blink of an eye.
>>336421848
Jak & Daxter was finished after the first fucking game.
Better than the alternative ending. I'm sick of these post apocalyptic stories that end with the cliche humanity being "saved." People who hated TLOU ending are the reason they changed the ending to I am Legend in the theaters.
>>336422545
Nice bait amigo >>336423064
>>336421512
>He killed them all to save Ellie
because, if you had listened to the conversations and audio files, they were on the pretence that ellie was unique and "the one and only chance for a cure" where actually they had found quite a few people like ellie already and killed them to use their brain chemistry to try to create a cure....a resounding failure obviously. just how it would have been with them killing ellie for their experiments on her brain juice....
go actually play the game kid
>>336423235
I can't believe the beautiful genius aryan man was crucified by fucking non-zombie zombie vampires.
>>336420659
>not fucking the entire human race to get thight loli pussy
what a faggot, OP
Sequel will have Joel as the final boss because le evil bed men.
>>336420659
>saving the human race
who cares? humans will always find a way to destroy themselves.
Save your own life, be happy, then die in peace. Thats the best you can hope for in human society. I was actually glad that Joel sacked up and went full Rambo to fight for what is his instead of laying down and accepting a BBC up his ass for "possibly good for complete strangers who are assholes anyway"
He didn't really.
They failed before, there's no certainty to them succeeding with Ellie.
>>336420659
>implying the Fireflies weren't a bunch of fuck-ups
>implying Joel did anything wrong
>>336423235
>book has a great ending
>the movie ruins it
>>336423780
Even if by some miracle they were able to develop a vaccine, they had no way of developing or distributing it on the necessary scale. At the start of the game they establish that their resources and numbers are dwindling and by the end of the game they're practically on the ropes.
Why didn't he stomp on the mushroom men's heads
Despite all the ellie must save the world bullshit, almost everyone was living more or less normal lives.
Of course if you ignore the 487548 bandits and cannibals everywhere, which does not make much sense, the only reason people would turn to cannibalism is because there a shortage of food, and yet there is farm land everywhere, plenty of animals to hunt and fruits to collect.
And yet despite the easy food everywhere, every single bandit will fight to the last man in a world where medicine is rare or non existent.
>>336420659
>Dude Raider with Zombies
>>336425494
The cannibal chef was a *tip* of the hat to Dead Rising 2
>>336423195
No, it had a teaser for the sequel. I guess, like a loser, you didn't get 100%. *shakes head sadly*
>>336425568
EPIC XD
>>336423492
Fucking savage
>>336423492
wait, i played the game too, i swear i tried to found all the tapes in the hospital and one of them mentions that Ellie is exactly what they needed to reverse vaccine a cure
i never found the tape where they mention other inmune people
>>336420659
>killed a whole bunch of people to protect his constantly whining 3DPD teenager
Hack.
>>336420659
>implying you wouldn't do the same.
what has humanity done for me lately? ohy that's right, murdered my daughter.
>>336420659
>he played Interactive Movie: The Game
>>>/tv/
>>336424094
heh
>>336424094
He was destroyed!
>bunch of faggots pretending they would sacrifice their own daughter to save a world full of assholes
>>336423492
>TLoU
>game
wew lad
>>336426454
>[citation needed]
>>336423492
>kid
the easiest way to spot underage posters
>>336423492
Well I guess we should just stop trying to find a cure guys. Let's just give up since we failed a few times.
>>336423492
OP B T F O
>>336421053
Let me guess, you're one of those morons parroting the "Ellie wasn't the only one" meme? The one where there is actually no supporting tape? The one were the actual tapes from the hospital disprove your bullshit?
>>336423492
Welp, looks like you are.
>>336423573
>nose ring
Get the fuck out of here.
>>336427140
>he goes by false information /v/ told him
Just off yourself, simpleton.
>>336420659
hardest decision in the game, do you wast a bullet on that guy you find with a cracked gas mask begging you to kill him so he doesnt turn, or do you save it for a much needed shot later
>>336427937
Posit evidence right now or this is a troopship.
>>336427331
It's not his daughter.
Need of the many outweighs the need of the few.
There is nothing deep or debatable about this. It is suppose to show that Joel is as bad as everyone else in their world.
>>336423780
>They failed before
Show that tape, faggot. Show the fucking tape that says that they had another Ellie. You won't, because none of the tapes say that.
>>336428089
>From my point of view the Jedi are evil!
Kill yourself
>>336428057
You fucking post it. This is where you parrots fail every time. There is no tape where they say there were people like Ellie.
THAT IS THE LIE JOEL TELLS HER, YOU FUCKING MORON. HE SAYS THEY HAD PEOPLE LIKE ELLIE WHEN THE THEY DIDN'T SO SHE WOULDN'T GET SUSPICIOUS.
>>336428278
Getting a bit angry are we, anon?
>>336427959
Spare him a horrible fate.
>>336426868
if I remember correctly (google it though) there are 3 audio logs in the hospital explaining what they are going to do to her, what happened to the last "subjects" and they are going to "hope" they dont loose the brain chemical they need to study to create a vaccine.
also there are a few conversations you can listen into about the faliures the doctors made with the previous "subjects" they all seeemed to be shortly after pubescent age too...teenagers
there was no cure like that which is promised to ellie, or that she is unique.
they didnt even tell her she was going to be killed for her brain chemicals either.
joel did the right thing. those people were ruthless and their only motive for the "cure" was political anyway, not altruistic.
might play this game again soon, I need to max spec joel in a NG+ for some trophies
>>336420659
>didn't save a bunch of thugs and zionist jews that want to control the world
Big deal we've already seen people can survive on their own.
You missed the point of the game. Its called the last of us. There is no governent or authority that will ever return. Everything is fucked. There is nothing worth saving and surviving over. Joel knew this and made the right choice
>>336428570
deep
>>336426620
Kill yourself, my man. Jak 2 and 3 are no good- take off your dark nostalgia goggles.
>>336428414
They actually say they've never seen anything like Ellie before.
Think about it from a plot perspective, too. The entire narrative comes out flat if Joel wasn't sacrificing a cure to keep Ellie.
>>336423886
>Anime is good
>Director changes midway
>Anime is not good
Is this meme still alive?
>14yr old
>loli
>>336423492
There is no tape or collectible that mentions any other immune humans.
People falling for this is pretty sad desu senpai senpai.
>muh audio tapes!
He decided to kill everyone before he listened to a single one of them
>>336420659
Well, it isn't their fault. They didn't write it. They lifted the entire story and script from the comic Sweet Tooth. Outright stole that shit.
>>336428414
The only audio logs in the final level state that Ellie is the only subject of her kind, but there is no guarantee that the procedure will be successful. But she is also the only hope they have left for a vaccine. Joel flat out lied at the end of the game; Ellie was the only one that was immune to the infection.
>>336428862
>muh
Gas yourself
Post porn
>>336427652
You're right, the underage always get triggered by it.
>>336420659
This shit again?
Joel ran to the military for protection. They kill his daughter. He lives to see overzealous restrictions where people are shot in the street for breaking a curfew. He watches a woman he tried not to get close to gunned down for simply being there. He sees man destroy labs designed solely to fix this mess or at least understand it. Mankind eating each other and even children. "Liberators" and doctors willing to murder a child, AGAIN, on the off chance they get it right this time.
Joel isn't willing to hand another daughter to man. They have proven time and time again for decades that they aren't worth saving. He'd rather take care of Ellie and have her laughter and love and corny jokes because that is what is worth saving. That IS humanity, not the benefit of living without fear.
The game made sense perfectly. You're just too fucking stupid to see that Ellie was the only one worth keeping alive at all.
>>336423492
There's no tape like this in the game. You're fucking retarded.
>>336428862
The tapes only confirm that Ellie is their only chance, anyway. Am I seriously the only one who listened to them? The doctors go on at length about Ellie being one of a kind.
>>336420659
To be honest,
I would literally fuck each and every one of you people for absolutely nothing and I wouldn't need a loli pussy for motivation.
I hate every. single. one. of. you. people.
>inb4 edgy
>>336429065
You're right emotionally and prospectively. Objectively, you're retarded.
>>336423492
He's still right, moron, he killed the researching lab for the cure just because he didn't want her to die, that's THE POINT of killing them in the first place, why would he kill them otherwise? The whole plot was to simply leave her with them, all of that effort, and he killed them just because of her, the idea of potentially killing humanity because there were failures before is what is bad about this, you have a 1/10 chance to save humanity from total doom, but you have to kill a loli.
You God damn idiot
>>336428672
I didn't mention anything about the games quality. *raises brow* I just corrected you that Jak's story does not end in the first game, it goes right into the next story. How about you learn to read?
>>336429094
He's probably talking about
https://youtu.be/jtu918mfeHc?t=1m40s
It's kind of unclear whether he means past cases of immunity or past cases of infected they've fucked around with.
>>336429128
edgy
>>336420659
he did the right thing, now he just needs to breed her to make more immune people
>>336420659
To be fair. The fireflies was it? It's been awhile since I've played it. Anyway, they could have handled it a lot better.
You did it Joel! Good for you! She is getting prepped for brain surgery now so we can use the immunity in her brain to save the fucking human race!
Will she survive?
No! What, did you get attached to another human being when you spent several fucking months traveling with her? Weirdo. In fact, we are not going to meet you half way and give you the option of saying goodbye and asking if this is what she would want because we a fucking assholes! Joel! Why are you shooting everybody? How could we have foreseen this eventuality? You monster! You've doomed us all!
Bunch of fucking jackasses.
>>336429356
They research the infection for a cure. They would autopsy infected, and the doctor even compares Ellie's case to that of a regular infection. People are just fucking retarded.
>>336429356
It's quite obviously past cases of infection otherwise he would've said immunity and not infection
>>336429604
It's made clear fairly early on that the Fireflies are a bunch of poorly organized retards with delusions of grandeur.
That being said, they still could have been handled better.
>>336429604
They didn't give him that option because the original plan was to put a bullet to Joel. It was veto'd.
>mushroombies have a life of only a few years
Why cure it? Shit went away after a while.
>>336429606
>>336429620
I'm just trying to explain the other guy's potential confusion. Personally I think it would've been better had there been past cases of immunity. You spend the entire game thinking you're bringing the best shot at the cure just to learn that they've been killing and fucking up a whole bunch of cases of immunity with nothing to show for it. It would almost trivializes the sacrifices you made to get there.
>>336420659
>implying the cure was going to make a difference considering that must of the population are either lawless bandits, mushroom dicks and trigger happy armyfags
Also the only real way you could understand Joel's level of thinking is if you were in the same position as him with either being a father or have actually cared about someone in the past. Clearly thats a concept thats completely foreign to the likes of you, OP.
>>336429898
That would make the entire moral ambiguity of the ending completely irrelevant though.
Also, unpopular opinions: The guy that tried to recruit Ellie into his rape cult wasn't all that different from Joel.
I need to replay it got it originally on PS3 got stuck in the flooded subway or tunnel part.
>>336430182
>cure
>it's the dude you have to sacrifice yourself for the greater good meme
Nah fuck you. No one is obligated to die for someone else.
>>336430301
(You)
1. The Fireflies originally planned to KILL Joel.
2. Even if they did make a vaccine from Ellie's Brain, how would they mass produce it?
3. Communes like where Joel's brother lives are doing just fine. Humanity is getting along fine, it's just resetting for a while. Eventually either a resistance will develop naturally, or the zombies will die off.
Literally no point to killing the loli
>>336420659
>sacrifice dearest person to MAYBE save in the past people he don't even know and don't care about
Yeah, totally weird for humans to act like this.
>>336430182
That still doesn't really make it up for it, cool he's a father and he gets to finally be happy, but you shortsighted faggots don't see how a cure would need time and a lot of trial and error, it's unorthodox sure, but we're dealing with a possible extinction of humanity, what he did was extremely selfish.
>>336430516
>Even if they did make a vaccine from Ellie's Brain, how would they mass produce it?
???
Just like many other vaccines are produced today without any organic matter?
>>336420659
He did the right thing, humanity was not worth saving anyway.
>>336428570
Yeah no, plenty of people were living in okay areas, there is no point in making ellie the savior of the world when the world can go on just fine without her, the writer fucked up on this one.
>>336423886
They filmed the original ending, which made perfect sense and made movie 10/10 but test audiences didn't get it
>>336428570
Was it implied that the entire plaent was fucked by mushrooms or was it just localized to America? Because I'd like to think that far off places like Iceland and Aussie would be still kicking it long after the world got reduced to low tier mushroom soup desu.
>>336423235
I'm sick of these post apocalyptic stories that end with the cliche humanity being "doomed".
It's fucking obnoxious. Humanity being saved is a fucking minority cliche at this point.
>>336430724
That shit requires medical equipment and infrastructure. They would have the vaccine and no one else. They would become a power in the wasteland simply by virtue of having said vaccine. IE, the Fireflies become Warlords too. Just like everyone else.
>>336427959
Shoot him because I like shooting people in that game.
Anyone else kill all three doctors in the operating room at the end? I just naturally shot them because they were about to kill the person I was trying to save, but I saw some playthroughs of that part of the game and the people playing seemed overly concerned with letting the doctors live. Am I a faggy edgelord or are they cucks? Is it both?
>>336431505
I held the doctors up but they wouldn't leave and then someone attacked me. So I killed everyone with a shotgun.
>develop cure
>still only works as an immunization, not like it'd revert a clicker
Fuck that shit, safe zones are the best place to be. But Fireflies are Sandersfags "GIVE ME FREEDUM" instead of getting used to their shitty lifestyle for a few years while the infection dies away naturally
>>336420659
You'd be a terrible father.
>>336431505
Seems rational given the context. I imagine some want to minimize loss of life you can in MGS. Or they disagree with Joel.
>>336431505
I just punched the one who was in my way in the face
>>336421053
>>336423492
> hurr hurr muh PS4 exclusive
>>336420659
An emotionally disturbed man who has already lost one daughter, taking a chance at losing another when it isn't even guaranteed she would be the cure
It's like OP is an autist that doesn't know what characterization is. Oh wait.
>>336420659
Weren't the fireflies in the process of dying out anyway? Assuming they were able to create a vaccine or whatever from Ellie, I reemember them giving the impression they expected more fireflies to show up but few had, or previous firefly outposts had gone dark. Considering Joel managed to murder what was left of them it's hard to imagine the vaccine even making that much of a difference.
>>336431505
...I burnt them with a flamethrower.
>>336431873
The clickers have their skulls and shit broken up by the fungus. There's no way to save someone that far gone.
>>336420659
Hey /v/, it is videogame right?
So why can't you choose what to do, save her or not, why?
>>336432671
I only shot the scalpel doctor in the toe with an arrow. He slumped to the floor like a sack of potatoes and the other doctors called me a monster.
>>336433352
Choice is an rpg trait, not necessarily a video game one.
>>336433517
Best girl.
>>336433352
Joel isn't gonna let you do that, buddy.
>>336433568
I don't even know who she is, lol.
>>336433546
>Choice is an rpg trait
Even Call of Duty have different endings and choices now.
>>336430723
If the survival of humanity means harming innocents and people who aren't directly causing our destruction and not doing so would result in our extinction, then so be it.
Also, anyone who says someone should die for their survival, beliefs and goals is a hipacrit and selfish in their own right.
>>336433667
It would be out of character for Joel to let Ellie die. The ending has a lot more weight this way. You get the feeling that Joel is a little unstable and Ellie suspects something, but chooses to believe him because he's like a dad to her now.
>>336433667
In this came you can't really role-play yourself as the character. You have to rationalize it as Joel. Does it make sense for Joel to sacrifice Ellie?
>>336433980
>out of character for Joel
He is douchebag and psychopath. I can't relate to him at all.
>>336434001
>you can't really role-play yourself as the character
So it is just a movie.
>>336433646
The best!
>>336427390
>go actually play the game kid
You should take note of this before posting next time you moronic faggot
>>336434174
Yeah, there are a lot of game where you don't have choice. This isn't novel. Also, relateability/likeability is irrelevant to understanding how a character works. Or even to a good story.
>>336427691
How would they create and distribute the cure to everyone? What would happen if bandits or the military got their hands on it and started to use it to gain power?
>>336420659
Cheers m8
>>336434174
That's kind of the point. There is that disconnect at that moment when Joel decided to save Ellie, but it was that moment that gave him the most character progression in all the game.
>>336434637
Did someone just get spoiled?
>>336427937
>meme
and ingored
>>336434832
Another moron detected.
>>336431505
Two of them were cowering in fear presenting no threat, so yeah you do seem kind of like an edgelord.
>>336432562
They might have been able to pass that vaccine onto a more capable organization if they couldn't do it themselves.
>>336434558
The military getting their hands on it would probably be the best outcome, they'd be the only ones with the resources to actually do something with it.
>2016
>still generating good discussion
>even with all the underage shitposting
feels good man
this is why The Last of Us™ is indeed the greatest game of all time brehs
Let's assume that the Fireflies would have been able to develop a vaccine. And it would have been a vaccine, by the way, not a "cure." What would happen?
>Infected still running around killing people
>Hunters still running around killing people
>cannibals still lounging around eating people
Do you really think that the military and Hunters and shit would just drop their guns and line up at Firefly labs like good little boys to get their shot and lollipop? Fuck no, they'd try to take it from them. The vaccine would merely be something new for people to kill each other over. That's it.
So please stop this "Joel doomed humanity XDDD" meme because it's simply not true. A vaccine wouldn't have changed anything for the better.
