Why couldn't an american come up with the kind of gameplay the Souls series has?
The most basic action game possible?
Because in the west the people in charge of deciding on the gameplay don't actually enjoy playing video games themselves
literally stole zelda gameplay
Why did Westerners come up with RPG genre?
too videogamey
Because the west is too busy trying to find ways how to put gays and more femdles into their game design
>>336367601
Because people in the west make games that play themselfes on automode. The sell hollywood movies like Uncharted
>>336367601
Swing your sword and roll away?
Because it's actually boring as fuck? The only tension is that if you don't roll away, you lose half your health. This makes your brain release extra adrenaline.
It's literally artificial fun at the most basic level. It's the jump scare of action games.
>>336367601
they are too busy appealing to the masses with maps and waypoints that tell you exactly where to go, achievement systems so that people feel rewarded every time they pick up the game etc.
There was a heavy open world emphasis back then and still exists today. It's essentially capitalizing on what the MMO developers discovered - that players are willing to do tons of boring grinding easy shit and trick themselves that it's gameplay.
>>336368023
Wanna swing swords with me?
Souls gameplay can literally be transformed into a mobile game. All you do is circle strife around the enemy, guard or roll when they attack, and attack them after they attack.
Im surprised no one has done this yet
western art is too focused on moneymaking and has no true avenues for talent to get their work out since the general public is so retarded that they settle for the worst
>>336367601
Lol you can poin with 100% accuracy who is the american in this thread. Why the fuck are they so insecure ?
Americans are just good in making burgers
>>336367601
The gameplay is nothing special. DS is more about world design, atmosphere and risk/reward, areas where most western developers are lacking.
>>336367601
They don't make good games. Western games = Europe.
Could have any american company, even remotely come up with something like the Souls series?
I can't think of any.
>>336367601
only good for crashing markets
>>336368439
We are good at that though.
>>336368023
>(fps)
you mean clicking an enemy?
because its boring as fuck? the only tension is that if you don't go behind cover you get shoot, that makes your brain release extra adrenaline....
>(rpg)
you mean selecting what attack to do?
because its boring as fuck? the only tension is that if you select the wrong attack the enemy may get an edge, this makes your.....
>(Moba) dodging skillshoots and map awareness?
because its boring as fuck.....
you get the idea
>>336368609
God of War is the only american game with good gameplay and an actually good moveset, it made DMC look clunky when it came out
>dodge roll
>backstab
Fucking revolution
Because when it comes to RPGs, western game companies are focussed on dialogue and options (which aren't even that great nowadays) - they aren't focused on combat and bossfights, something that Japanese developers do best - the bread and butter of souls games
>>336368856
Because the west prioritizes flashy setpieces and graphics and providing extremely mediocre gameplay.
Luckily enough that's all casuals need, flashy graphics and set pieces with mediocre gameplay.
>>336367601
Because they're busy making games like Elder Scrolls/Fallout and Uncharted.
I just don't understand why so many people like these games in the first place. They're ugly, glitchy, combat is clunky, frustrating to a ridiculous point and the graphic and sound quality is disgusting (mouths don't even move when people talk). They can't even create a good way to play with your friends, its all random encounters without any way to control it, and every playstyle boils down to rolling around like a fairy since trying to make a tank-like character with heavy armor is worthless because for some brilliant reason, armor has almost no effect on survival besides hampering your movement.
>>336368856
>game that came out a few years after DMC1 made improvements to movement and combat flow
Gee you don't say, it's almost like DMC1 laid the ground work for the entire subgenre. Now compare GoW II to DMC3.
>>336369649
you don't know what you're talking about
>>336369649
People like them because they're fairly challenging games while also being very slow paced and accessible. Games like DMC, Bayonetta, and Ninja Gaiden are not as popular with casuals because they are challenging, but they are also fast paced games that require reflexes and practice.
>>336369195
>>336369791
DMC was a terrible game except for the gameplay
GoW and GoW II were outstanding in every single aspect
>>336367601
Dead Space is basically Souls with sci-fi guns.
>>336370290
Pretty plebeian opinion.
>>336367601
Because they're too scared of the gaming press giving them a bad score.
>>336367601
Because only Japan could take gameplay so clunky and build a game around it.
>>336370667
Pretty hipster opinion
>>336370919
You could have said GoW was good in a lot of ways. But if you genuinely think it was "outstanding in every aspects" then you've either played a total of 15 games or have different taste than me. Either is obviously unacceptable.
>>336367601
Because they are problematic.
>>336368203
What the fuck did you just say?! *runs up and begins rapid punching you in the stomach* you like making bold statements like that huh??? WELL ITS TOO LATE *throws you in the air and unsheathes my dual katanas* GET READY *jumps up and impales you and cuts you into ribbons* bet you'll think again before you make such a profuse statement. psh. Tough luck.
>>336368023
>>336371065
Not that guy
But who cares nerd
>>336371102
>the dedication to the self-image as a gamer
>>336371065
Holy shit stop being a contrarian, GoW would be considered a legendsry game if it wasn't a Sony exclusive
They probably did, but knew it wouldn't have mass appeal.
>>336367601
They were busy making interesting, complex and fun systems as opposed to dodge simulators.
>>336371484
Me obviously. You shouldn't make absolute statements like that if you have no frame of reference. I've heard like 1 metal song in my whole life, it would be insane for me to weigh in on metal bands.
>>336371592
I've owned every sony console, that doesn't make GoW anything but a shallower more cinematic character action game.
Ninja gaiden is better dmc3 and 4 are better, godhand is better bayonetta is better.
All God of War really has going for it is cutscene shit. Or "super epic" qtes.
God of War isn't a bad game, but it's not anything amazing.
>>336371102
This just isn't true. It would've been true for a MOBA or a MMO, but it just isn't true for souls
>>336371671
Has there ever been a single Western game with good gameplay outside of FPS?
>>336367601
>>336368609
I don't think that it's so much as Americans not being able to make something like Souls series as it is the current process that most western developers take when making video games, which is to look at all the things normies like and mix it together in one pot.
>>336371102
Holy shit.
Casuals just can't admit that they suck.
>>336372253
what the fuck
>>336367601
american education system
>>336371102
>But I think the most problematic part of this type of game is the part that feeds into the ego of the gaming community. I personally did not like Dark Souls, but I did not admit it to myself until two years after I stopped playing it, specifically when I gave up on playing Bloodborne. I think a large part of this was due to my ego as a gamer. I am, as you may have guessed, quite dedicated to the world of video games. I am pretty good at them, and thus my continuous failures in Dark Souls really aggravated my ego.
What a dumb bitch
>>336372437
It's from Bethesda's own forum where the dicksucking is extreme
Too busy bitching about diversity in video games.
>>336371102
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>336372253
>LEARNING IS HARD!
How do these people function in the real world if they can't even play a goddamned video game?
It's more profitable to make rehashes/fps number 50, but that's true across the globe
normally a new product/IP has too much risk to get shit on unless you have a huge amount of marketing behind it
>>336372645
lolwut
>>336368023
>This makes your brain release extra adrenaline.
That's literally all I'm after from a video game
>>336372849
Did you think that there could only be one instance of this man?Would you believe it possible for people beneath his skill level to exist?
>>336372253
>not loving boss fights
>>336367601
Not everyone is interested in totally ripping it off. There's only a small handful of Souls clones out there, and each tries to be its own thing
>>336368023
/thread
>>336370346
Dude what? Don't get me wrong, Dead Space and Dark Souls are my two favorite games, but I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>>336373014
>>336372849
Have you seen the kids these days? A lot of them are dumb as fuck. I'm talking about preteen and teen. They don't even want to problem solve or learn the basic tools of problem solving.
>>336367601
it's not inclusive enough.
>>336368023
>artificial fun
>>336368023
>This makes your brain release extra adrenaline
>your brain release extra adrenaline
>your brain
>release
>adrenaline
>>336371942
yeah but they're mostly for kids
>>336373075
It's definitely arguable that this guy just pretend to be retarded on purpose tho, he was good enough to get into EVO finals.
What's scary is that there are people that genuinely are like the retard he pretends to be.
dark souls is the most basic shit ever, linear gameplay where you defeat enemies on your way to the boss of the level. Not really that groundbreaking
>>336373694
>he was good enough to get into EVO finals
Because for thta particular EVO they were playing a terrible version of the game that nobody had experience playing with. Keep in mind that just because you're shit at most things doesn't mean you're shit at all things.
>>336373075
I still want to believe in people, but I can't after playing Mario Maker.
I've heard that a common reason why people can't beat courses is because they didn't know Mario could run.
>>336373430
A lot of them just hang out with like minded people in social media, so not only they don't want to learn problem solving, they also don't develop critical thinking.
>>336373191
i like black mirror but he has complete shit taste in videogames
>>336374140
It's amazing how simple the games are when you take a look at them in combat and design. For a series that since DaS, has a AAA budget and team, it's not really affected by bending to trends set by modern games.
>>336367601
Problem is targeted audience, if in the first 20 minutes nothing happens awesome than the game is considered as boring. Kinda like Hollywood popcorn movies
>>336375095
because its set in its arcade style gameplay, when it works there's no need to change anything
>>336367601
The most pathetic thing about Miyazaki is that he honestly believes all the marketing garbage around Dark Souls.
>>336376064
>believes all the marketing garbage around Dark Souls.
What?
>>336368023
>artifical fun
wew
>>336371102
>the dedication to the self-image as a gamer
something is wrong here
Is /v/ the only board comprised of actual unironic weeaboos?
Because of this
Same reason western devs can't make fun and exhilarating boss battles.
MUH CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE
>>336369649
you are an imbecile
>>336367601
A western Dev could, but because should they ever dare ever make anything challenging or god forbid original, market research will step in and tell them how silly that is and that they should stick to the views of their brain dead focus group participants. They are after all trying to capture a global audience.
Japan however mostly cater to the Japanese market and budget accordingly so they can re-coup costs from Japanese sales alone, making any international sales else a boon and afterthought.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that globalization is the reason everything is shit, including videogames
>>336371848
i think god of war games are very impressive and the have very solid gameplay
I personally had a blast playing those games
>>336376604
>Story is the most important thing for us, it's at the top of the pyramid, rest is lower
Well, exactly you dumbfuck of a dev, story is the cherry on the cake, having a nice pointy top for your fucking pyramid is useless if nothing is solidly built below it. Gameplay is the fucking base of the pyramid, aka, the most important poart.
Jeeebus
>>336369649
this
fuck all of you from cocksucker
>>336376806
>Terminator Baby
Please stop reminding me
>>336377374
For its set pieces and production values. The actual combat mechanics are painfully shallow. David Jaffe admitted the same thing.
This displays everything wrong with western devs. Itsuno alone has a greater understanding of gameplay than the western workforce put together.
>>336377171
>Japan however mostly cater to the Japanese market and budget accordingly so they can re-coup costs from Japanese sales alone, making any international sales else a boon and afterthought.
>A Western inspired realtime combat RPG with monsters and areas out of Dungeons and Dragons books and other western literature
>Full english voices and names
>Only a small handful of katanas in each game
>Catering to the Japanese market
> globalization is the reason everything is shit
Why do all good western studios go out of business or are either filled with college graduates and become a shell of themselves after all the old developers are being laid off.
>>336377374
Square square triangle. Square Square Triangle. QTE. Square Square triangle.
Alternately spam the counter than is very generous and gives you full invincibility.
>>336369649
Mostly bandwagoners who fell into hype machines and youtube shills. All it means is that my favorite devs get extra revenue and I just have to deal with retards online now and again.
>>336377616
And sometimes I like games set in roman or greek mythos. The setting doesn't equal the whole game you goon.
>>336377605
The west only cares about how much money the can make. They give zero fucks about anything else.
>>336376806
O&S are shit though.
>>336377678
Good devs are shut down by publishers for telling market analytics to go fuck themselves.
Drone devs and cucked college graduates are better because they accept whatever ass raping from their publisher overlords.
>>336371102
I don't even understand what this guy is trying to say.
Because Americans just want to make movies.
>>336377985
It's basically a wordy way of saying
>This game requires too much time as I don't have the passion or interest in going through so the game should respect my time and put a easy mode and cater to MY needs.
>>336371592
I had fun with GoW but even I know how simplistic they are. Square Square Triangle gets pretty dull when it's the most efficient killing move in Kratos's arsenal.
I honestly liked the world more. Exploring a castle on Kronos's back for a good chunk of GoW 1 was somehow satisfying despite feeling contained. Opening up more with GoW II was a good approach afterwards. III involved climbing Mt. Olympus but still had Kratos in the Underworld and exploring the innards of Gaia.
The gameplay fell short with Ascension. The gore and visuals were fantastic and I appreciated them trying the different elemental attacks with different effects, but they just didn't click for me. It also felt pretty short compared to the other games, probably due to the constant back and forth between flashbacks and the present with Kratos's hunting those sisters.
>>336372253
I'm the last person who'd say that somebody shouldn't be allowed to play video games.
But God fucking damn it, this faggot shouldn't be allowed to play videogames.
Americans aren't sadists
>>336379341
Americans are spoiled little children who hide in their University safe spaces because they can't cope with challenge.
>>336367601
Because gay dating sims are all the rage in the west right now.
>>336373191
>No one's ever gone, "Oh good, a boss fight. Brilliant!"
Holy shit fucking triggered. That's exactly why I play most games, to get to the dank boss fights
>>336371102
>if this game isn't enjoyable to me i must complain until the developers change their ways
>i still probably won't play it
>>336367601
They've tried
![Severance_-_Blade_of_Darkness_Coverart[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/JKEWIRy.png "Severance_-_Blade_of_Darkness_Coverart[1].png")
>>336367601
idk but Spain has like 8 years before DeS came out.
>>336380208
Technically made by Germans and slavs tho
>>336376806
Even great western games that rely heavily on gameplay have disappointing boss battles nothing to do with muh cinematic experience
Mirror's Edge
Deus Ex
Bioshock
System Shock 2
>>336371102
>Time
No more than the average normie spends a week watching TV, getting drunk, popping open a youtube cat video or vegging out on Facebook.
>Money
If you buy a decent PC/laptop for general use you'll probably be able to play Dark Souls, this complaint is stupid because all games require money and DaS/BB don't require any more than they do.
>dedication to the self image as a gamer
What the fuck, what dedication is needed? Buy the game, install it, play it ??????????????? It's not fucking rare seashell collecting.
>>336377616
I Know right, if that was true Demon Souls would have been Japan exclusive or some sh-Oh SNAP!
>>336380208
Not made by Americans.
You should check this :
https://youtu.be/WkEz5XebrIU
>>336379508
>You will never be Japanese
>>336379573
Those Japanese datings sims gave us to learn about making good relationship. Even in real life.
>>336379573
I happen to like games centered around character development and drama
Fighting is for babbys.
>>336383153
Boy have I got the game for you. It's called reading a book.
