I think a good majority of /v/ can agree Fallout 4 is worse than Fallout 4, New Vegas, Skyrim, and McDonalds.
>>336299726
>fallout 4 is worse than fallout 4
If you really have to shitpost, at least try to proofread your shitty baits
>>336299887
I meant 3.
>>336299726
You had one job OP
>>336299726
Retard
>>336300275
No you meant that FO4 is so bad that it exists in a separate realm wherein it is the worst Vidya, so. Therefore Fallout 4 is worse than fallout 4
Moron
>>336299726
in terms of story and setting? yes. I mean none of these games had a good story, but 4... is just beyond palatable. The voiced player character just puts it over the edge too.
There is nothing wrong with mcdonalds. Mcdonalds is good shit.
>>336299726
I also enjoyed the first batman movie more than batman begins
>>336301483
I hated Digimon it's so overrated
Fallout 4 is nice game; for Fallout players though, not the faggots that lurk here.
>>336301463
>McDonalds is good shit.
Every time I eat there, my food tastes like cardboard and they under cook my fries.
>>336299726
4 is better than 3 is absolutely every aspect.
3 and NV are about same in qualitiy so it depends on your personal preferences.
Which objectively means 4 > NV.
Also every Bethesda game since morrowind was a huge improvement, so MW < Oblivion < FO3 < Skyrim < FO4.
I can already hear the nostalgia faggots and obsididrones coming.
>>336299726
It's better than 3 in everything except atmosphere and dialouge options
>>336303507
>Fallout 4 is better then 3 and NV
>>336303507
First of all no
Second of all holy shit nigger how retarded can you be hell fucking no
>>336303507
hahahahahahahyouareafuckingidiothahahah
>>336303507
>fallout 4 is better then 3
But anon, fallout 4 is fallout 3.
>>336303881
>>336303963
>>336304181
>>336304217
can you please go back to r/fallout where you belong?
>>336304312
(You)
>>336304312
How about no, I've been playing fallout since it came out. Just because you just picked up the fallout series doesn't mean that everyone agrees with your opinions.
>>336303507
i love 4 but holy shit the player voice acting and dialogue choices were a huge step backwards.
the map tho, holy shit i had to uninstall because there was just too much to explore without ruining your life.
>>336304312
r/fallout would agree with your retarded opinions, dumbass.
>>336301463
the best part was when you relive the life of that thug who you previously killed. i really enjoyed that, for once you feel a tiny bit of guilt for killing someone who was pretty much every player in fallout (a huge badass)
>>336304587
Well I have also played all fallout games and most of them again recently. So unlike you I dont have a nostalgia bias. For me it comes down to:
4 > 3 > 1 > NV > 2.
>>336304696
I think the full voice acting was a much needed improvement. Also people tend to forget that in 3 and NV and even in the old games most dialgues with less than 4 options.
>>336304772
r/fallout is literally "NV is the second coming of christ" and "Bethesda is worse than Hitler" now.
>>336299726
its mind numbing how no one gives the game credit for having one of the best open worlds to explore. yea its plagued by AI problems but holy shit downtown boston or the dead sea are fucking fantastic
>>336303507
Fuck you nigger, I am unironically triggered
>>336305102
Obvious bait, do not reply.
>>336305102
for me the voice acting ruined the immersion. maybe it was just a bad actor because i was never sold on being evil when selecting those choices. with no voice acting at least you can imagine it
I might be joking,
but Fallout 4 has the potential to have a better mod community than Fallout NV and Skyrim.
You have the NV modders, the Skyrim modders, the Sims modders and even GTA modders doing mods for FO4. I won't be surprised if an alpha for a New Vegas conversion mod is released within 5 months.
>>336305383
yea super excited to replay the game in a year after i've forgotten everything AND super mods are out
>>336305278
Have you played male or female? I only tried the latter and was really positively surprised.
>>336305383
Too bad Bethesda is working on their own launcher and is going to bring back paid mods with console mods and completely fuck everything up
we EA now
>>336305383
Oh ya with that shit voiced protagonist. It's a modders paradise.
>>336299726
>Fallout 4 is worse than Fallout 4
>>336305704
we fucking get it
>>336305627
>it's a conspiracy!
After all that backlash and them saying that they will never try this again on multilpe occasions? No, that will never happen.
>>336299726
Fallout 4 is a strictly okay Fallout game, and has a lot of the same issues as 3, but it's a phenomenal open world shooter/explorer/building game.
So sure, it's a worse fallout game and story than all of those, but it's a better GAME than all of those.
Can't wait for the geck so I can get my power armor Iron Man mods up, complete with repulsor animations and HUD
>>336299726
>Fallout 4 is worse than Fallout 4
So Fallout 4 is infinitely bad? Gotcha.
>>336305627
Solution:
Don't use Bethesda.net
Wait until FO4 Nexus releases a workaround.
>>336305646
Honestly, I don't think that a voiced protagonist is that bad. Oblivion did a voiced protagonist with Alpha Protocol that was fine IMO.
The problem is that Bethesda has shit writing. Unlike Oblivion whose writers came from various fields, Bethesda has writers whose only experiences are with The Elder Scrolls and the problem is that "Choose Your Own Adventure" writing does not work with Fallout.
>>336305867
Where did they say that? Link?
>>336306134
Obsidian.
NV>1>2>4>3
4 is the worst example of an RPG I've ever seen and actively shits on your choices by having misleading example text, making most of the choices the exact same thing, and giving your character a backstory and motivation you can't change.
Gameplay is great though and survival mode is genuinely a lot of fun. Makes the game come alive IMO.
>>336299726
>Fallout 4 is worse than Fallout 4
what the fuck even?
>>336306405
WE FUCKING GET IT GODDAMN
>>336306242
http://www.inquisitr.com/2540239/bethesda-ensures-that-fallout-4-wont-support-paid-mods-of-any-kind/
Here for example. I'm pretty sure Todd also said it during E3 and in several interviews.
>>336306251
Oops.
I suffer from Name-blindness so I have a hard time reading between Oblivion and Obsidian and coming with conclusions.
>>336306491
Ok cool thanks, I believe it but fuck Todd Howard.
>>336306134
alpha protocol and the games betheshit makes are not even the same thing you stupid fucking retard. how can you not understand the difference, how old are you, you neo /v/ fucking retard? fuck you and fuck your stupid parents
>>336299726
>Fallout 4 is worse than Fallout 4
This irrational statement perfectly reflects the paradox of releasing an """RPG""" as bad as FO4.
>>336306448
Calm down autismo I just got here, it's not my fault you type like a monkey.
Strong hopes we find milk of human kindness soon.
>>336306305
Strongly depends on your definition of an RPG. Fallout 4 is much more RPG than the Witcher series for example.
Also NV, 1 and 2 also had backstories and motivations for your character. What is so different about 4?
>>336306758
Dude, Obsibliviondian has better writing than Bethesda.
I'm agreeing with your point. Stop being an autist edgelord you faggot.
>>336306770
>I just got here
Read the first 15 fucking posts retard it isn't that hard.
>>336306904
>Strongly depends on
>>336306904
don't respond to betheshit shills. they are either underage or stupid fucking normalfags that are killing our hobby
>>336306904
The motivations weren't personal, or in New Vegas's case, they were the start of something larger.
You can't go five minutes in Fallout 4 without pressing X to Shaun.
I honestly did not think it would be possible for Fallout 4's writing to be worse than Skyrim's
I was wrong
>>336306941
>edgelord
yep, you're actually underage and probably come from reddit
fuck you parents you stupid fucking accident
how the fuck did Bethesda fall so hard so fast?
I mean Oblivion had its problems but compared to Skyrim and Fallout 3/4 it's a fucking masterpiece
>>336307180
>Muh reddit
Fuck you.
I bet you haven't played Mizzurna Falls.
>>336299726
Right now I'm waiting on modders to fix it. I'll be back in 5 years.
This human good fighter. Kill many brothers. Someday Strong smash.
>>336307012
oh god what the fuck is that? Looks like my toe if I leave it in the water for a long period of time.
>>336307306
Who gives a shit
>McDonalds
Lets not get ahead of ourselfs OP
>>336307072
Go back to your basement you cuck.
>>336307083
>The motivations weren't personal
But they were in all games: I have to save the people in my vault! I have to save the people in my village! I have to find the guy who tried to kill me!
>they were the start of something larger
same goes for FO4: The whole institute/synth thematic and the fate of the commonwealth.
>>336307326
You can only polish a turd so much
>>336307425
Humans all look funny.
>>336307510
And your son is behind all of it.
![[foreshadowing intensifies].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/s9iXdIj.jpg "[foreshadowing intensifies].jpg")
>>336307391
>human
>>336307652
Would it be better if this wasn't the case?
>>336307671
Puny metal man. He dies soon. Then find Strong. We look for milk again.
>>336307640
How did we go from this to the mutants looking like a green mole rat?
Same with the fucking ghouls, ghouls were legit scary before and now they remind me of Davy Jones without the tentacles from POTC
>>336307778
Yes?
How am I expected to make my own character when I'm playing a divorced ex-army dad looking for and being constantly reminded of his son?
In New Vegas your entire backstory was unknown save for the package delivery. You don't even have to get revenge for the shooting, you can let it go or miss the guy behind it entirely.
Every single main quest in 4 pushes you towards the Institute.
This faggot should have been fucking fired over this shit
Improvements fallout 4 made:
>actual combat AI, enemies take cover, use grenades and don't just face tank your bullets until they die
>gunplay is improved
>Companions aren't just silent bodyguards; NV and Skyrim improved this some but they actually feel like, y'know, companions in 4, commenting on things as you go
>character creation is a vast improvement even if it's nothing special compared to competitor games
>settlement building is a novel idea, if barebones in implementation
Can /v/ at least agree to that?
>>336308015
So can you finish NV without ever meeting Benny?
I mean, you don't have to play the main quest if absolutely hate it. I guess an alternative start mod is already in the works for people like you.
>>336307867
>implying Strong isn't the best part of Fallout 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSFsGPzhjko
>>336308015
This.
Even worse, my female character was a lawyer.
There's nothing lawyer-ish about any of my "choices".
If I'm a lawyer, then I should be allowed to create peace/truce/armistice between all the factions as an ending. Lawyers are taught to do that in law school even in situations where the law no longer exists.
The fact that "Nora" is a Law School Graduate makes the game's dialogue and choices even worse.
>>336307867
someone didn't do their research
I generally liked the graphics in 4. I also liked the Power Armor mechanics generally, and the gun customization was okay. The shooting was fairly acceptable, and even above average at times.
Everything else was bad. The story was awful. The roleplaying was less than barebones. The gameplay mechanics governing character abilities is easily the worst in the entire series. The actual armor variation is terrible and poorly-implemented. The locales are terrible and boring. The touted city-building is useless. Almost all of the follower characters are garbage.
I wouldn't say it's a particularly BAD game. I still had a fun time playing. Probably worse than 3 if judged for its time. Definitely ended up disappointing me, though it took awhile for the disappointment to set in. I feel that is how most games are constructed these days.
>>336307867
>>336308570
Old human junk. Worst kind of human junk.
>>336308294
>actual combat AI, enemies take cover, use grenades and don't just face tank your bullets until they die
Yes, but it's not really anything special
>Companions aren't just silent bodyguards; NV and Skyrim improved this some but they actually feel like, y'know, companions in 4, commenting on things as you go
Kind of. They're better than NV when generally exploring/playing, but the NV companions are still far better written and more interesting
>character creation is a vast improvement even if it's nothing special compared to competitor games
Definitely the best character creation in any Bethesda game. Hell, I'd even say it's pretty good, it's quite intuitive and easy to use. That said, they could definitely use some more variety in the facial hair options
>settlement building is a novel idea, if barebones in implementation
Agreed, but it really needs to make more sense story-wise and provide more choices - I was enjoying the game up until I went to the museum, got attacked by raiders for no reason and as such was basically forced into helping Preston. There should have been an option to join the raiders and establish Sanctuary as a raider outpost rather than a minutemen town - but Bethesda wouldn't be able to do this without also making the raider gang cartoonishly evil
>>336308294
>Companions aren't just silent bodyguards
I almost miss when they were though.
>Go to pick up some junk so I can use it to upgrade weapons/armor/settlements
>Companion asks why I'm picking up garbage despite the majority of what they have equipped being made out of said garbage
>This occurs every time I pick up something in the misc. category
I from Sweden, apology for English.
I start Fallout 4 and characters are as such. Normal for America game?
>>336301463
>Mcdonalds is good shit
>good shit
>shit
Fucking companions
>>336309203
>the NV companions are still far better written and more interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pC2QLDunGI
Someday, super mutants kill everything.
>>336307867
I actually think the ghouls in this are far creepier, especially in how they walk and move. In 3 and New vegas, they looked far too much like supernatural zombies. In fallout 4, they look like rotting husks of humans completely lost to their animalistic rage.
>>336309502
>companions
But why?
>>336309502
>>336306134
>Wait until FO4 Nexus releases a workaround
They're too deep into Todd's pants to ever let someone release something like that on the Nexus. LoversLab too.
>>336310013
Because you can't play as a Super Mutant.
>>336310314
>a dog is supposed to know not to walk through lasers
Wow, you must'v caught a severe case of the dumbs
>>336308810
Has anyone else realized that guy and girl ass are the exact same thing, just one is on a girl and the other on a guy? Same shape, muscles, contours, etc.
>>336310707
Are you high or just retarded?
>>336310934
It's part 1 of like a three post discussion that ends with trap posting.
>>336310707
No, just you.
Gayboy.
>>336299726
The previous parts of the bait were so retarded no one even caught the mcdonalds bit at the end
Let's be honest here, if FO4 didn't have the Minutemen and the ability to build settlements then it would've been an awful game
Sad to say, i think the story of FO4 is better than the one in FO3, hell, i think there is literally nothing about FO4 that isn't better than FO3 except for maybe, MAYBE the Power Armor variety and design
A lot of people go full shill while discussing these two games (FO4 and NV) but i find it interesting, since FO4 is a game stripped out of most RPG elements besides basic perks and stat building and NV is a game that feels like a 3D FO2 most of the time
Do you like an inmersive RPG game? Play FONV
Do you like a FPS shooter being mostly action everywhere (Wich means fuck off the story)? Play FO4
The only thing worthwhile in the writing i remember about FO4 is anything Nick Valentine related because he was interesting when you hear about his past and his companion quest
I think once modded is going to be great and probably better than a modded NV, but let's be honest, you are going to probably have 20 gigs in mod files only just to fix the mess that the devs coudn't be bothered to polish
>>336311243
that's a nigger-tier ass right there
>>336311468
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>>336311453
>if FO4 didn't have the Minutemen and the ability to build settlements then it would've been an awful game
>if FO4 didn't have an extremely shallow settlement minigame and endless randomly generated "go here and kill bandits" quests then it would've been an awful game
???
>>336310934
Please tell me the difference. Because both guys and girls have the same muscles and same fat in the ass. It's literally impossible for there to be a difference.
>>336311151
I don't give a fuck about traps.
>>336311243
It's true though.
>>336311584
It's like they made it as basic as possible but they knew what they were doing, they let you build and customize your settlement, build defenses, crops, recruit more settlers etc.
That alone can hook up a lot of people, even though if you keep your defense level above your food level you will never get attacked in the first place. For some people it might mean 500+ hours of playing time
>>336311841
Gayboy pls go
>>336311841
>Because both guys and girls have the same muscles and same fat in the ass.
No they don't. Read a fucking book, nigger.
>>336311987
I'm not gay, just making an observation.
>>336312269
Okay then, what are the differences?
>>336303507
I remember back then when baits used to be clever
>>336312504
You're making a pretty gay observation, bud.
>>336312504
If you see man ass as woman ass then you're gay as hell.
>>336312529
>everything that differs from my shit opinion is bait
>>336302487
Just get a sundae and a apple pie and cook your own burgers.
>>336305102
Todd, is that you?
>>336312504
>Okay then, what are the differences?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_sex_characteristic
>Widening of hips; lower waist to hip ratio than adult males
>Smaller waist than male adults
>Changed distribution in weight and fat; more subcutaneous fat and fat deposits, mainly around the buttocks, thighs, and hips
>>336312504
Women store fat in their ass the same way they do in boobs
Men store fat in their gut
Even with squats a female ass will still have some percentage of body fat, whereas a man's will only get blockier unless they spend all of their time working on it, which will just lead to it looking like a normal butt at best
>>336301736
No one who played the first two games likes it.
>>336313164
Can you pickpocket a grenade into someones pants still?
>>336312703
its the clearl polar opposite of the general opinion with a provocateur tone to it to make sure all those you'll collect a bountiful amounts of (you)'s
at the very least you were fishing for (you)'s
>>336312983
>Waists, hips and thighs are the same thing as ass
Nice try m8 but no.
>>336313028
>Even with squats a female ass will still have some percentage of body fat, whereas a man's will only get blockier
Then you've never done squats, guys that do a lot of them will have their joke around about how they have a ass that looks like a girls.
>>336303507
>>336313534
>Changed distribution in weight and fat; more subcutaneous fat and fat deposits, mainly around the buttocks, thighs, and hips
Are you illiterate? Because you act like it.
>>336299726
its better than skyrim because it has a semi competent combat system
>>336313701
>Guys can't have girly asses
All it takes is squats and running. Not to mention vast majority of time girls have asses that look like guy asses, the ones that don't do any exercises especially.
>>336313454
Well basically every post on 4chan tries to provoke some response. However, that was my honest opinion.
Just because most of /v/ disagrees doesn't mean that I just wanted to fish for replies.
But if you want a safespace for your opinions maybe you should go to tumblr.
>>336314272
>Guys can't have girly asses
Sure they can, if they take estrogen.
>b-but muh workouts!
Buff or toned male asses look nothing like female asses whatsoever, you must be blind as well as illiterate.
>>336307498
Mcdonalds breakfast is god tier
>>336314629
I'm a guy that has a girl looking ass, explain that anon. Protip: you can't.
>>336314630
I like going there and eating like 30 tendies for lunch. Thank goodness I'm underweight, so I can indulge myself without worrying about getting fat.
>>336314402
your opinion is objectively wrong and you should take your shit taste and wrong opinions out of here. there is no rational way anyone could ever think fo4 is a better rpg than nv. thinking so isn't opinion, it's just fucking delusional
>>336316542
Well you seem like a rational an open-minded fellow.
You sound like a feminist responding to someone questioning the patriarchy. I'm sorry I offended you by disagreeing with your opinion. You cuck.
>>336316973
Not him, but now's your chance anon. Explain how FO4 is a better RPG. Hard mode: you can't use >muh 2048p 256fps Cinematic Experience™ as an argument.
>>336318815
Okay, let's go:
>best companions in the series
>most morally grey factions compared to the other games
>by far best weapon and armor customization
>best soundtrack
>best gunplay
>best AI
>most interesting story theme (are synths human?)
>best level design by a fucking long shot
I could go on.
>>336319357
>most morally grey factions compared to the other games
Stop right there, as much as i like it the faction game in FO4 has NOTHING over the factions in NV
But still, you didn't answer anon's question. "Why is FO4 a better RPG" the answer is, it's not, if you are judging RPG then FO4 is probably above FO3 but down in an abyss compared to something like 2 or NV
I like FO4 a lot but i won't go full retard and say that FO4 is a better RPG than NV because your character starts and ends the story as a fucking plank when it comes to character development
>>336319858
but that all comes down to your definition of an RPG (spoiler: there is no official one). All the things I listed add to the role playing experience for me.
Just because some quests have 5 different ways to tackle them and some NPCs have very lengthy dialogue doesn't make a good RPG. It's the whole package - and all things considered 4 is the far better game by my definition.
>>336320148
I understand what you mean, i like FO4 for reasons like the ones you listed. But you need to consider what an RPG is in the first place anon
The most important part of an RPG is (You), and the fact that my character can go from a sarcastic prick, to a nice guy, to a murderous maniac in the same conversation is not only inconsistent but a big flaw in the writing
I agree that NV has very lenghty dialog and sometimes i'm not interested in hearing everyone's sob history in the wasteland, i like (some) companions in FO4 but compared to better RPGs, besides Nick Valentine (The most interesting one in the game), they are completely lackluster.
>Just because some quests have 5 different ways to tackle them and some NPCs have very lengthy dialogue doesn't make a good RPG
I also say this, but having that attention to detail and writing in a game certainly adds to the RPG element, since i can complete a quest in a way that lets me stay in character, unlike FO4 where there is only 1 way to solve a quest, (With some exceptions that don't really make a huge difference) and completing it might clash with what you think your character is
I can understand why you think FO4 is a better game, hell, even i think is a better game (In my eyes) for the same reasons you do. But to say it is a better RPG than something like NV or 2? That's being ignorant anon
>>336320905
Overall, I get where you are coming from. But this is all very subjective in my opinion. And people preaching their opinion as fact has to stop.
Also, I would argue that people then should even call games like the Witcher 3 (which I absolutely loved) less of an RPG than FO 4, because you have almost no options to create your own character.
However, everybody is praising it as an outstanding RPG.
>>336321391
Well i haven't played Witcher but i know what an RPG is anon, i played my fair share (Including NV and FO2)
FO4 DOES HAVE RPG elements, but they are so lackluster that makes me think they added them to be able to sell the game as an RPG and attract more people to it, hell i could say FO4 IS and RPG but then i could only go as far as saying "It's a bad RPG"
To be honest i wish FO4's writing had the quality of writing NV's had, considering how small FO4's world is in comparison to NV's i think it would've been great if we had the 4 factions way more fleshed out than what we did instead of
>Minutemen
Help everyone that needs help, except that they don't tell you everyone is every settlement and help means "Call the General again"
>Institute
Let's make Synthetic humans that can't do a better job at whatever Mr. Handy can perfectly handle. Also let's make them infiltrate humanity to spy them even though we could safely use perfectly functional Eyebots
Let's cleanse the commonwealth by killing everyone on it and starting again even though that was exactly how this mess started
>BoS
We now hoard techonology even though that wasn't our purpose in the first place and our methods makes us complete hyprocrites
>Railroad
We know everything that happens in the Commonwealth but we can't find a Courser. Let's judge the Institute for playing God even though we are techincly doing the same thing when freeing the Synths
They are not morally grey by any stretch of the imagination, the only reason why you think they are grey is because they are not as fleshed out as they should be
>We now hoard techonology even though that wasn't our purpose in the first place and our methods makes us complete hyprocrites
huh?
