>VtMB project lead Leonard Boyarsky now working at Obsidian (http://www.pcgamer.com/fallout-art-director-leonard-boyarsky-joins-obsidian/)
>VtMB lead programmer Tim Cain works at Obsidian
>VtMB lead writer Brian Mitsoda expressed interest in working on another Vampire game after Paradox acquired the World of Darkness IP
>Obsidian and Paradox on Twitter going back and forth on using each other's help to make another Vampire game
It's happening, isn't it?
/v/, would you prefer a semi-linear Vampire game with hubs like Bloodlines (or perhaps Human Revolution as a more recent example), or an open world game with more freedom like New Vegas and all the "open world" elements that comes with it, day/night cycle, evading the sun during daytime, etc.
I'm asking for a friend.
LACROIX DID NOTHING WRONG
>>336157920
A HR-like one would be nice
>>336157920
i want the game to be good
>>336157324
No news yet, stop making the same thread over and over.
>>336157324
Probably, perhaps next year or so, but not now, as obsidian is already working on tyranny and pillars of eternity 2.
>>336157324
What's the exact truth about Therese and Jeanette? Were they really twins at one point? Or did one of them create the other, and if so, who created who?
>>336157920
Both ideas are great, i wish it had better character customization even if its simple like changing color of the hair and a few more bits.
I-I justkilled Therese.
Did I fuck up? It's my first time playing this and I let my dick do the talking.
>>336158243
It doesn't matter, neither have any role in the story after that.
>>336158205
The painting with their father shows that 2 did exist, and it's implied through dialogue that their father abused them.
If I recall I think the dad killed one in a fight and the surviving twin killed their father.
>>336158243
No, Therese was going to have you killed
>>336158243
>Not wanting to stick your dick down Therese's throat to shut her up
Truly baka and unkawaii
I got stuck on Ming. Melee spec is awful
>>336157324
>it's a VN just like that shit that was supposed to be the new Deus Ex
>>336158307
Huh? Almost all the art and loading screens have Jeanette on them, and yet she's just a small part? That's kind of disappointing to be honest.
>>336158205
they were originally a more or less normal daddy's girl, but when she got embraced into a Malk her mind split in half to two opposite extremes
>>336157920
>/v/, would you prefer a semi-linear Vampire game with hubs like Bloodlines (or perhaps Human Revolution as a more recent example), or an open world game with more freedom like New Vegas and all the "open world"
those are all in /v/'s top 10 games of all time
>>336158369
Even if you don't fuck up?
>>336158061
>girl
>Have to get a new donor for the blood bank
>Seduce a girl to do it
>Go to blood bank
>She's not there
0/10 would not reinstall again.
>gameplay will be done by Josh Sawyer
>Chris Avellone will not write his NPCs
>>336157920
I would love if they made everything happening in one city connected via an overworld-like zone like it was in ODST or Zelda games.
>>336159805
>>gameplay will be done by Josh Sawyer
So finance will be "balanced".
Why did he hate the Camarilla?
>>336158326
She is a malkavian, so that voice inside her head is Jeanette. The picture is probably just for show, so you don't jump to any conclusions straight away.
>>336161350
Don't confuse the guy you stupid retard, he got it absolutely right.
>>336161237
He doesn't. He just think LaCroix is a retard.
>>336158205
Therese would get fucked by her dad and loved it, but one night daddy got drunk and fucked Jeanette instead. Therese went mad with jealousy and killed her father and her sister. She later became a Malk and as you should know no Malk is sane, and so she developed a split personality of her twin sister.
>>336161237
He didn't? Did he?
>>336158396
melee is best, but only as a Brujah or Gangrel. Everyone else is guns or magic.
>>336162172
Also, isn't his whole schtick that Nosferatus are so indispensable to the Cammies that they can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want?
>>336157920
>open world game with more freedom like New Vegas and all the "open world" elements that comes with it, day/night cycle, evading the sun during daytime, etc.
That would be neat but the problem with open worlds is that it's very easy to make them shitty and/or generic and very difficult to make them good.
>>336157920
It would probably be much better to have a bunch of good hubs rather than an enormous bland sandbox. It doesn't really foster itself to open world play.
>muh twitter
Come on now. They're working on Tyranny anyways. This shit ain't coming out for a while.
>>336157324
A SEXIST GAME FROM A SWEDISH DEV?!
>>336162270
Ming is the worst person to use melee against because she has more hp than anything. Have to use a flamethrower.
>>336162048
Doesn't it make more sense for Jeanette to enjoy getting fucked by her dad?
>>336157920
Open world with an option to be a hunter.
>>336157920
Open world would end up like shit like it does 90% of the time.
Unfortunately it just wouldn't be possible to make a substantial city that is believably dense and has wacky WoD shit happening in it 24/7 without a lot of copy pasting.
The hub system has always been better than open world.
>>336158396
Just use bushhook and lots of blood packs.
My toreador took a bit long but I managed.
>>336162270
Ventrue are good for melee, the 1st dot of Dominate paralyses bosses (even the shark demon) allowing you to circle behind them and do the 3-hit combo. They also have Fortitude and Presence, both of which buff defence.
>It's happening, isn't it?
No, at least not yet.
>>336157920
>/v/, would you prefer a semi-linear Vampire game with hubs like Bloodlines (or perhaps Human Revolution as a more recent example)
Very few games benefit from a open world, I doubt its the case with a potential sequel. So a hub like the first would be a better choice.
>>336161237
Besides LaCroix being a stupid cunt? It's because they are Nosferatu, and they are being hunted by their Antedeluvian(he hopes that offering his clan as sacrifice, Cain will remove his curse and return his beauty).
>>336163070
>max out fortitude
>use it with blood buff
>become unstopable and soak all the incoming damage
Ventrue top class
>>336162317
Yes. That's why he acts like he hates the Camarilla openly, because he knows he can get away with it.
What was it he said about not wanting be to become prince?
>>336163101
What a fucking asshole.
>>336157920
Big hubs, bigger than HR at the very least.
>>336163749
If I'm not mistaken him killing the Caine's waifu was part of the events that brought generations and clan curses.
>>336163945
2nd gen vampires didn't have any curse?I know that 3rd gen vamps killed them
>>336164090
>2nd gen vampires didn't have any curse?
Their killing was what brought it, each individual clan curse stem to what part they had in the murder of the second generation. Patricide is recurring theme in the tabletop.
>>336158326
>what's a comission
I can pay some sick pedo on deviantart 50 bucks to paint me as a CR18 Nightcrawler with shadow tentacle dicks, but that don't make it so.
>>336164090
>2nd gen vampires didn't have any curse?
Beyond being vampires which is a curse in itself? No.
Caine cursed all 13 vampires of the 3rd generation with a weakness of some sort as a punishment for killing the 2nd generation. Those 13 vampires are the progenitors of 13 clans.
>tfw had to mute volume to get through Ocean House
T-That's the only scary part right? Right?
>>336164852
You poor, poor soul.
>>336164852SEWERS
>VtMB lead programmer Tim Cain works at Obsidian
He was destined.
>>336164852
the whole snuff movie questline is way worse, one of the few things in vidya that still haunts me
>>336164852
Thats the most, but nothing close, just more unsettling and annoying than spoopy.
>>336165030
He asked for scary, not tedious.
I swear it's like Troika had an obligatory "tedious dungeon" requirement for their RPGs. Anyone remembers the Black Mountain Clan mines from Arcanum?
>>336158262
You're meant to be as clingy and desperate as possible. That's what she's into
>>336165030
Is that the one with the hobo that dies? I literally saved right in front of the manhole yesterday.
Plz no.
>>336164852
>>336165167
I always found the Syndicate and White Cloud to be scarier.
>>336165407
Nah.
>>336165407
No, those things come much later in the game. Although that cult is pretty annoying.
>>336165030
The house where the snuff tape was recorded was worse.
>>336157324
I'd think the idea is begging for open world, but have yet to see a open world RPG that doesn't suck ass.
The basic issue with open worlds is that they're often padding and time-wasters than actual mechanical things you can fuck around with and I reckon the VtM ideas like they're partially implemented in Bloodlines lean themselves to some nice OW opportunities. The game could start as a rogue-like of sorts, where you have limited range because of the 12 hour night-day cycle and you're inching your knowledge of the area and the game mechanics one night at a time, always retreating bc of sunlight. The zone conquest mechanic at the end of GTA SA could also be implemented to some effect. You should be incentivized to rule areas/businesses to further your supply of blood and standing with the "camarilla", as well as being responsible for any crime in those areas. The fact that high-class blood is better than a bum's could also work as incentive for the player to inch its way from the seedy part of town up to the rich people's neck of the woods. All this entailing setting up a number of blood-junkie informants, guards and cows to further your shit, the expanse of which could come with the reward of siring your own vamp (or being allowed to keep one) to aid (?). All the while being subject to competitors randomly invading and reking your shit.
Iunno. The idea of having to learn to hunt to be able to feed yourself to get through one night at a time and then escalating to what's above with procedurally generated conditions seems interesting.
>>336165841
It would be honestly kinda lame since sunlight and the masquerade would put so many restrictions on it.
>>336165390
shit
I ruined everything
>>336166050
Yes you did.
>>336165980
What about just having a week system with city changes based on the days, no night/day cicle but the day passes when you save your game on your haven.
VtM is dead, Long Live VtR
>>336165407
Topkek. Just wait until you get to Hollywood.
>>336157920
Hub area to keep the quality of the side quests as high as possible.
>>336165980
The sunlight's the interesting bit. The fact that you have to set shit up so it can function without your supervision 50% of the time should be the main incentive in dealing with regular humans and not just treat them like healthpacks.
Idk the source material that well but I assume one would have to take some liberties with the masquerade. Then again, not all violations imply your death. It's a matter of doing something that goes against it to further yourself and then doing someone else a favor to strike the violation off, like in Bloodlines.
>>336166512
VtM is back since the anniversary edition was released. Now you can play both.
>>336165980
> sunlight and the masquerade would put so many restrictions on it
How?
I mean they would be restrective, but in a good way. We already had masquarade in VtMB, and sunlight would add a layer of strategic thinking as to how to get from point A to B if it's daytime, to make sure you can find cover before the sun goes up etc. Not to mention a few clans have disciplines that let them survive short periods of exposure to sunlight.
It reminds of S.T.A.L.K.E.R with mods in a way. Going out at night was usually a bad idea because you covuldn't see shit and there was too amny mutant, and you always had to make sure there is cover near in case of an emisson.
>>336162843
so that's who that gamegate comic is about
>>336166532
It would be goat if they implemented a lot of shit from the P&P, having contacts, buying havens, more liberty on what you can do on your way to do missions and shit.
>mfw playing P&P
>complete a roll to meet with a contact for my mission
>my friends fail theirs and the police gets into action
>i try to make the police kill themselves
>fail the roll
>almost died there like a bitch
>>336166712
>and sunlight would add a layer of strategic thinking as to how to get from point A to B if it's daytime
Vampires can't function during daytime, they simply can't. You would have to be old and really wanting(or needing) to do even be awake and thinking.
>>336157920
Make it Vampire the Requiem: Blood and Smoke.
>>336166982
>Vampires can't function during daytime, they simply can't
They can, but they are going to function a lot like sleep-deprived humans, struggling to stay awake.
> You would have to be old and really wanting(or needing) to do even be awake and thinking.
It's not that hard for vampires to stay awake. If i remember correctly it was a fairly easy humanity/Path roll to act each turn.
>>336157920
Hub like the first game keeps the form of the original, is less demanding on them and allows them to focus and make better what they do put in. Having a day/night cycle isn't a great idea because it has a period of game time where you just can't play or do anything or die, although it would make sewer traveling Nosferatus more viable to make up for the can't be seen by people deal. But overall hub is the way to go.
>>336167516
Well then, I'm wrong. Sorry for spreading misinfo.
>>336167516
>They can, but they are going to function a lot like sleep-deprived humans, struggling to stay awake.
Walking around in the sunlight is more like being on Venus's surface, not having missed your morning coffee
>>336167554
I said that they could put a save system that pass time like other games.
>>336167516
>>336167554
I could be interesting to have sections of the game you can only access if you have high humanity, the other option being using a ghoul to do it for you?
>>336167939
If you're just going to skip it every time why have it in the first place?
>>336167783
I'm talking about daytime, not walking in the direct sunlight. All vampires feel a need to fall into torpor when it's daytime.
But there are a few disciplines that let you survive short periods exposure to sunlight.
>>336167516
>They can
Fuck no they can't. This isn't Bram Stoker. They don't get "depowered" by the sun, they spontaneously combust.
>>336168057
Because it gives you a sense of time, for example you can stay until certain point and running in the sewers to get fast to your apartment, like Bully which let you stay until late but not too late.
>>336168171
Daytime is different from sunlight, no one is mad enough to suggest vampires walking in daylight(outside some extremely old and powerful ones).
>>336157324
Too bad Obsidian is a shit studio where good people die.
>>336168171
They can survive as long as its not direct sunlight.
>>336168309
The system in Bully was a good one, but it still can leave you in an unwinnable situation. In Bully if you don't make it home you get punished but no game over. Here you could have a save where you can't get home in time and the game can't be played anymore.
>>336168171
You're out near dawn on a few levels in VtMB
>>336168171
We are talking about daytime Anon, not direct sunglight.
But as I said a few times, there are disciplines that let vampires survive in the sun for short periods of time.
who wants concept art, or character art, or a few character cosplays
>>336168641
In VtM: Redemption theres an entire level in daylight. It sucks cause your party is constantly frenzying.
>>336168639
You can use a multiple save system like having quicksaves and checkpoints + one after you wake up so in case you fucked up your schedule replan it, or simply generate acces points so the only reason why you would day it's because you stayed in plain street when you knew you should be underground or in the way to your haven.
Ok /v/, Paradox has decided to take time with Vampire and put out another WoD game first as a test run. Which alternative to Vampire would you want?
A nWoD Geist game exploring the underworld, ghost NPCs, several levels first being the human world then progressive levels being the various deeper circles of the underworld.
A nWoD Changeling game where you are trying to survive and keep your head down from the true fae hunting you.
An oWoD or a nWoD Hunter game investigating events, preparing and then going after the said supernatural, where if you mess up the investigation you may prepare for the wrong creature and have to make do.
oWoD Werewolf with big fights and tough enemies and a pack social system.
>>336168756
I do, please dump something. I hate when VtM threads dies early.
>>336168171
You would be suprised what people have come up with to walk in direct sunlight.
One of the most common thing I've seen is Tzimisce using Vicissitude on their ghouls to sculpt a perfect copy of themselves and then possess them.
>>336169906
I we can't get Vampire i would go for Hunter
>>336157324
I met Grey Delisle. She was hyped that someone knew of Jeanette.
>>336169906
>nWoD
No thank you, not at all. oWoD Hunter game would be perfect, or maybe Mage.
>>336169942
Sure, VV tends to get a rise out of people.
>>336169906
Honestly? A WoD grand strat with a giant city and each building/district is a region. Call blood hunts, rise the ranks or live out as a Nos in the sewers. Could work so well.
>>336169906
Werewolf is about so much more than just the big fights anon.
Roll up a Theurge and open up an entire world of possibilities.
>>336170208
Geist and Changleling are great nWoD. And Mage would be almost impossible to do in a video game system.
>>336170448
Here's one of her face if you're into that kind of weird shit, and that's the set.
>>336170326
People don't seem to see that were a few open world games that were amazing at this, see the Godfather.
>Complete story missions to rank up
>Gain territory and earn money
>Buy new clothes to gain respect
>Buy new guns to conquer the other families houses
>Do side missions like killing important members of other families
>>336170174
Did she seem cool?
>>336157920
I would like to be able to take a break from the main storyline, and wander the underworld, search for side stories, POIs, lore, and feed off of randoms, and club sluts, but I don't want a full-on GTA experience--that's not really necessary. Part of the setting and atmosphere is about being closed in, and confined to the survival imperative of city life. Too much free roaming might actually hurt the atmosphere of the game.
>>336170518
Sadly all my werewolf experience has been people going I want to kill shit and do big damage in fight. Tell me more of werewolf. It's the "roll" playing game for the people I know.
>>336157324
How many times are you going to make this thread?
>>336157324
>It's happening, isn't it?
wow yeah great, i can't wait to play Vampire: The Triggering - Diversity. it'll be so great playing a pangender transblack demiqueer PoC who uses xir pronouns as all of the other landwhale vampires fight the patriarchy
obsidian has been a sjw dev for a while now, cdpr was our last hope but they'll probably cater to the sjw crowd with cyberpunk so i wouldn't get my hopes up
>>336170958
We just want to be happy in our delusions
>>336170864
If your werewolf game isn't taking place in the Umbra you're doing it really, really wrong.
My group recently went back in time to help restore one of the dead tribes. That's the kind of open-ness that Werewolf can offer.
>>336171083
pretty much this
>>336157920
Vampire is a social game so an open world is pointless. Vampires don't wander wastelands, they intermingle with people.
>>336171083
Nice memes
>>336170958
If you don't like it why you are here having other threads to shitpost?
>>336171298
>Vampires don't wander wastelands
Caine did :^)
>>336171298
That's why it's not open world but open city. As in the whole world is a city and maybe a bit of the surrounding countryside. Give it layers like sewers and verticality and you got yourself a great game.
>>336171298
>Vampires don't wander wastelands, they intermingle with people.
Not gangrels.
>>336170864
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbra_(World_of_Darkness)#Arcadia
Changelings say that their home country is a place called Arcadia, a now unreachable place of pure dream deep within the Dreaming (Dream Umbra). Faeries, they assert, are the dreams of humanity made manifest, and Arcadia is the heart of those dreams. The facts, however, are difficult to determine (a) because changelings, by definition, are not 'true' faeries, but a sort of faerie/human hybrid adapted to dealing with the mortal world and (b) because Arcadia itself has been impossible to reach or even detect for a very long time (fae scholars mark the Black Plague as the first moments of the Shattering, the process by which Arcadia broke away from Earth's Dreaming).
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbra_(World_of_Darkness)#Flux
A realm of constant creation and raw power, Flux appears to exist in many places at once. Its reflection in the Spiritual Umbra (also called Flux, as well as The Radiance) pulses with the energies of the Wyld. Pangaea is said to be touched by Flux, accounting for the realm's uncontrollable nature. Charybdis, a swirling vortex in the Deep Umbra, is said to absorb the detritus of the universe and 'recycle' it back into Flux. Given the Wyld's inconstant nature, however, concrete locations associated with Flux are few; more commonly, the energies of Flux pass over an area, causing rapid change and general chaos, then move on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUN_deqYEqc
Thoughts on this?
>>336171083
Learn more about the Lore, even the old stuff have some SJW things.
>>336171298
Depends on the clan, but they do wander wastelands and dominate them. The amazon for instance has one of the most powerful vampires living there.
>>336171298
Toreador and Ventrue gtfo please
>>336171494
He said Vampires, plural. We're allowed one.
>>336171298
Yes but there is a limit on how much you can intermingle in a small limited space, in open worlds that limit is bigger, obviously if you make it good, because if you don't you end with something like GTA V, open and lifeless
>>336171663
I hope it's good.
I expect Life is Vampire, 6 hours of story and invisible walls.
>>336171609
Gangrels are really, really fucking careful about it even then. Mostly they wander in stealthy animal forms so that they don't get attacked by the other supernatural entities in the WoD.
A few Nosferatu and Gangrel have pacts with Werewolves, but not enough to suggest they won't be exterminated on sight.
>>336171663
meh, enough to at least try it
>>336157324
What's the risk of getting a shitty isometric rpg? I don't think obsidian could pull off a good one like requiem was. But it's like new vegas with vampires i would love it.
>>336171950
>shitty isometric rpg
I'd argue that games like Baldur Gate and Planescape:Torment look aesthetically better than most modern RPGs
>>336171782
More like "Remember Me: Male lead edition". At least the french aren't as prude as murricans so we might get some neat stuff.
>>336170671
Yeah. Best part about meeting her was her enthusiasm for meeting fans. Plus while I waited Richard Horvitz was stationed right next to her so they'd have banter as billy and mandy.
>>336158507
The whole first part of the game isn't a small part.
It would be nice if Obsidian could revisit Alpha Protocol, have actual HR/VtmB style hubs this time.
>>336162891
>mfw he pronounced his own name correctly in his german accent
Why were the VAs so top tier in that game?
>>336171787
>A few Nosferatu and Gangrel have pacts with Werewolves
They don't, they are just good at avoiding them.
Werewolves are attacking vampires on sight because they unknowingly serve their arch nemesis.
>>336157920
Hubs should be used more often.
>>336157920
Open world but with severe restrictions, like going full gta should only be possible in rural areas an stuff life that, while in the main city violating the masquerade would mean death. It would also be cool if you could start in a different place depending on your clan, like in the forest for gangrel, city for ventrue, sewers for nosferatus etc.
>>336157324
Honestly don't think I really want Mitsoda on the Bloodlines game, if his wife's change in attitude is anything to judge his own views on.
>>336172151
I said A FEW.
Vampires are capable of being aware of the nature of the Wyrm. That alone makes them valuable allies to werewolves considering they can essentially come and go as they please among other wyrm-tainted creatures.
Unlike the vast majority of Wyrmish enemies faced by Werewolves, Vampires are capable of reason and logic. The problem is that some Vampires are so powerful that you can't really just let them wander about as they please. Which is why they've been more or less corralled into cities.
The number of successful breaches Vamps have made in the world against the Garou nation as a whole hold only a handful of notable instances. Russia and Egypt are examples, along with a few other Mediterranean countries.
Outside of the old world Vampires have nothing like the resources or the power they'd need to pose a significant threat.
>>336161237
It's just that nobody liked LaCroix, but the more reasonable vampires where pretty ok with the camarilla, even Strauss.
>>336172664
>only a handful of notable instances. Russia and Egypt are examples, along with a few other Mediterranean countries.
Tell us of these examples. Sounds like interesting lore.
>>336172712
The Sherrif liked LaCroix
>>336172870
>He didn't even gave a fuck when you kill Sheriff first before entering Lacroix chamber.
Such is the life of poor Sheriff, died for a fucker who didn't gave a fuck about him.
Post more jeanette pls
>>336171663
the best part of wod is the lore. this doesn't have it
Somehow every time I replay this game I discover new things.
I only recently found out about Heather.
>>336173718
The clipping doesn't bother me as much as thelifelessexpression on her face. She should be looking bored or grinning seductively, not trying to remember where she is.
>>336173718
Whats the name of that Toreador who can only feed through sex? I remember him being pretty old and powerful, and that he worked a bit as a porn star.
>>336173795
What? It's a pretty linear game, man.
I can understand missing Heather the first time around if you're rushing through though.
>>336172664
But the second tenet of the Litany says
>Combat the Wyrm Wherever it Dwells and Whenever it Breeds
>Combat the Wyrm Wherever it Dwells and Whenever it Breeds
So how are they allowed to spare those few vampires?
![vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7RXAdyE.jpg "vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines[1]")
>>336157920
I think it has to be city hubs.
In the lore of Vampire the Masquerade and Requiem- it says that vampires are mostly limited to being in cities, werewolves roam the countryside and kill vampires, and the city is where all their human blood prey live.
You can't have an open world like Skyrim, because you will find yourself in some forest far away from civilization. Daylight is about to break and you cannot find shelter in a few hours. There are no other humans for miles and you cannot drink blood.
>We will never get another game like Bloodlines thanks to modern video-game politics
>>336174078
I missed Pisha the first time around.
That hospital looked inaccessible.
>>336173795
I know the feeling. Found out on my last run that if you throw the severed head through the basketball hoop at the murder scene Downtown a cheering crowd can be heard in the background.
>>336172812
Egypt was just about the only time the Vampires made a serious assault on the Garou, and a successful one at that. Through dark ritual the great Antediluvian Sutekh uttered on his death a terrible curse against the tribe of the Silent Striders.
Effectively banished from their homeland, the Silent Striders lost much favour and grace in the wider Garou nation, while the Followers of Sutekh, later to be known as the Followers of Set, gained ground and solidified their hold on the ancient Silent Strider domain. Since then the tribe has faced trial and tribulation owing to their nomadic nature.
To the North, those Stygians known as the Leeches, or the Tzimisce became embroiled in a war with the Shadow Lords. Neither side could truly overcome the other unfortunately, certainly not to the extent the Silent Striders had the Followers of Sutekh.
The Shadow Lord's true threat came from the Nosferatu Methuselah known as Baba Yaga, a creature of immense power and guile. Her power was such that she was able to wrest two Caerns - locations of immense spiritual and communal significance to garou - from the Shadow Lords BY FORCE.
Ultimately though Baba Yaga succumbed to internal politics, as is typical of Vampires. It may even be that the Shadow Lords - suspicious and shrewd as they are - learned from the mistake of the Silent Striders, and their methods show in their actions.
The Shadow Lords more than any other tribe are most adept at turning the machinations of the Wyrm against itself. However, their deceptiveness and unwillingness to lead by example makes them poor leaders of the Garou nation - a position they are greedily circling the weakened Silver Fang tribe to take over from.
>>336157920
HUB.
Fuck your open world shit
>>336174097
Some tribes have a more flexible understanding of the Litany than others. It would not be far fetched for the Bone Gnawer tribe to take an interest in a Gangrel Fledgling, even.
>you will never be a vampire
;_/
>>336174608
I think the one lesson to take away from VtM is that you almost definitely don't want to be a vampire
>>336157920
considering the themes of VtMB, city hubs make the most sense. I also don't think a real day/night cycle would work, as people would just hit the sewers or their apartment and time skip the day away. maybe they could occasionally do a timed mission where you're racing the sunrise to complete it.
>>336174779
I would definetly want to be embraced as an old man close to death.
Think about it, most of your good days are already over so you don't really lose all that much and get to be immortal.
>>336158307
>>336158369
>not saving both
>>336175185
I'd rather get embraced now that live forever with an old body.
Why the fuck would anyone want a day night cycle in a vampire game? oh boy, now I have to go home and sleep before dawn. This is so fun and not tedious shit at all.
>>336175220
>spending so many points on seduction
What's the point
>>336175284
Doesn't make any difference what body you have as a vampire, you get supernatural power and don't feel shit either way.
>>336175310
Some vampires can deal with going out during the day. Excessive amounts of fortitude, obtenebration, auspex, dominate, animalism or others enable a Vampire to experience daytime or even alter the flow of time.
>>336174120
Even better if lorewise, the areas outside of the city get more and more dangerous for vampires.
>>336175487
Are these vampires one of the core clans using basic clan features that would make it into a fucking adaptation?
>>336175331
Persuasion actually and you still need to use certain dialogues options. Just heavily invest in Academics, getting three(or was it four?) should be enough.
>>336173718
the damsel sfm is better
>>336162891
>no option to be a mage
>no straight up mage game
I wish VtMB had been more popular so we could get games for all the WW properties.
>>336175892
isn't it the one where she's a gaper? nah
>>336175750
Fortitude is universal to all vampires. Anyone of sufficient generation may have the power to survive at least a few hours of day. Auspex permits astral projection from the comfort of your coffin.
Dominate allows you to possess humans, and more importantly Ghouls. Animalism offers a similar power but with animals.
Obtenebration is a Sabbat discipline, but at it's ultimate level you can literally block out the sun.
There are options. And besides - just because it's day doesn't mean you can't explore the Nosferatu underworld.
>>336157324
>jeanette_cleavage.jpg
Always have to stop what I'm doing to fap to those boobs.
God damn it.
>>336175892
I want Damsel to forcibly fuck me
>>336175992
no, its the one where she__________http://rule34hentai.net/image/154171http://rule34hentai.net/image/147583
>>336157920
Metal Gear Phantom Pain sized open world with dense areas like Deus Ez:HR
>>336176237
>was expecting Jeanette
I'm mad.
>>336176096
>not fapping to those panties
>>336176750
Why are you confusing what I should be fapping to! This is already a tense situation...
>>336176237
well this got me to check out the VtM tag on paheal at least, there's actually some half decent shit in there for once. It's amazing how little nsfw content there is for a game like this
>>336162871
>mfw I get celerity on gangrel and just attack for 5 minutes straight
>>336163070
>read nothing about the game
>venture melee/stealth/speech to start
Fucking a. I couldn't even use guns after that.
>second play through
>malk spellcaster
Was good, but I missed melee...
>>336177324
Gangrel is straight up the most powerful clan in game. Only one able to learn more than three discipline.
>>336177867
>>malk spellcaster
How?
>go to watch a stream
>first time playing guys
>malkavian
>shit load of texture changes
>model swapped to jeannette
>vaping all over
W H Y
H
Y
>>336165030
>tfw your defenses are so high these things don't hurt you at all
>>336170208
>hates superior nwod
Fuck off Masq-nigger.
>>336178328
Yeah, sure it have a less convoluted rule system, but the lore and the charm is simply shit. The covenants are just bad and the whole thing feel more as a generic horror game than a vampire one.
>>336174251
>internal politics
She was killed by a niktuku. I'm pretty sure papa Absimiliard doesn't dabble in politics
>>336177169
You have depressingly, depressingly low standards.
>>336178328
nWOD is utter shit. That's why they've spent every year since bringing back oWoD.
NWoD got rid of every bit of lore and replaced it with nothing, and got rid of Generation, which was the core mechanic that the game's entire theme was built on.
People joke about OWoD being Xmen in capes, but that's literally what NWoD is. If you like NWoD you should hang yourself.
>>336178328
Lore is shit and shallow but so was cWoD's lore in its early years. However, covenants are just fucking boring and blatantly an attempt to streamline everything.
>>336176018
Don't forget you can merge with animals with protean
>>336157920
Hub-based, open world games are just empty boring shit more often than not and VTM:B had great hubs.
>>336178526
Fucking wrong cwod gutter slime. Theres nothing charming about having a clan for every ethnic stereotype and an everything but the kitchen sink approach. Only a dumb Masq-nigger like yourself parroting /tg/ opinions from 8 years ago in the middle of 1e release would try to claim Masq was superior at anything except having more retarded bloodlines (True Brujah) and numerous demonic slash satanist clans.
>>336178007
I dunno, Gangrel can get really strong with celerity but the 5th level is just absurd
>>336178684
> getting diablerized by other vampires doesn't count as internal politics.
Riiiight.
>>336178981
And you are parroting current /tg/ opinions. Please remove yourself from /v/.
>>336178981
I think a lot of the oWoD favoritism around here is because most people have played the video games and not the tabletop. At least that's how it is for me and I prefer the older cheesey shit to nWoD's stuff but I haven't read a huge amount of it anyway. Hunter does seem much better in nWoD though
>>336178704
>and got rid of Generation, which was the core mechanic that the game's entire theme was built on.
nWoD would make for a better video game though, simply because you can have a somewhat normal RPG progression without breaking the lore or having to explain why your character goes from fledgeling to crazy levels of power in the span of 2 days.
>>336179089
I mean, it's more genocide than politics
>>336179221
I play Blood and Smoke on the regular and my last v20 game was 6 months ago.
Nwod is superior in literally every way.
Fuck off back to when livejournal was relevant if you want to dicksuck Masquerade so much since you dont actually play or know anything about tabletop.
>>336179456
A lot of people, me included, like the NWOD system more, but the OWOD lore more. The NWOD system is a lot more user friendly. The rules are easier to understand and aren't spread out over a lot of books.
>>336178007
Sorry i meant tremere. I suck dicks
>>336178704
>and replaced it with nothing
Okay so you never actually read any of the material? Great glad to hear that, it makes it a lot easier to completely disregard your opinion.
>>336179456
>nWoD fan shits up a perfectly good thread
typical. nobody likes nWod here, there's no fucking lore to get your teeth into and there's much less customising. there's a reason why in recent years WW has gone back to cWoD shit. you aren't going to find anybody here who thinks VtM is shit. fuck off.
>>336179232
It literally does not. OWoD has the concept of questgivers and being subservient to NPCs built in. oWoD has the fact that there are people who you will never be better than as a core mechanic.
NWoD is for speshul snowflakes who think they deserve a chance to be the strongest
>>336179456
Objectively false. There's a reason OWoD is still iconic and NWoD is an irrelevant footnote nobody wants to touch.
>>336179979
There is, thats partially why /tg/ like it more(there's new stuff to discuss and speculate). But it's not as interesting as WoD.
>>336179979
If youre going to just bullshit your way through this conversation while you clutch your pearls over VtM be my guest but youre wrong and Im going to tell you youre wrong.
Your lore includes Samuel Haight, abominations, vampire Himmler, space mirrors, and time stopping secret conspirator Brujah. If this is what you like and what youre proud of then you ought to guzzle all the drano in your house.
>>336179881
The NWoD lore is L I T E R A L L Y a bunch of random suggestions because grognards couldn't deal with OWoD having an overarching plot.
>>336180197
Yes, the reason is dumb knuckledraggers like yourself with literally no concept of WoD play (questgivers? Like in an MMO you fucking moron?) sperged out so hard over the "NOT MUH VAMPIRE" that it killed sales for white wolf for years. People like you are literally the reason a company like CCP could buy and sit on the property for the better part of a decade. Of course they went back to V20 - you shitters killed the company and its all they have left to sell.
Ok, listnen up. I've been ISOLATED for way too long. I haven't played VtMB for a few years now. Are there any unofficial patches/mods worth checking out? Tell me /v/, because I don't want to crawl again.
>>336180917
Unofficial patch 9.5 just came out of beta, Make sure to install the plus patch as well since it contains additional missions.
>>336180384
Somebody should make a bingo card of what a nWoD fag will say because "But Samuel Haight!" will always be a point they think is smart to come out with.
VtM really is a product of its time, it's very 90's "goth" in nature and that leads to shit like Haight which back then was considered the shit. Now for one point, Haight is undoubtedly the worst of it, nobody EVER defends Haight anymore, he's just not cool now. Another point, you've mentioned a grand old five fucking things, I know that's probably the total of interesting lore tidbits that nWoD has but cWoD is very, very expansive so there's bound to be a variation in quality.
>>336178061
I saw that one too. I may not be good at much but at least I know how to stream that game.
>>336157920
Hubs.
The Hub system works. The areas all felt great and were packed with enough stuff to keep them entertaining.
Open world would feel bloated and empty compared to it.
I'm gonna use a shitty food analogy because I'm a huge faggot.
Imagine two dishes, both have the same ingredients and chef.
But one is huge, the other being relatively small.
Of course the bigger one looks better at first but when you take a bite, it's more bland because the ingredients had to be spread out over a wider surface.
>>336180384
And your lore includes ____________.
>>336180234
SOME fags on /tg/ like it more because they don't think anybody should be able to tell them what to do. It's the same reason they hate Promethean: they don't think games should be about things, they think they should be sandboxes for then to be superheroes in.
It's pretty telling that nWoD popped up as soon as society started embracing the Participation Trophy ideal. You're the star, you can bootstrap your ways over Vampires older and stronger than you, and vampires have to take a nap so that they become weak enough for the PCs to murderhobo for easy EXP.
Plus let's replace all the clans people like with other shit, and all the new clans are Toreador variants. Oh and Nosferatu can be "terrifyingly beautiful" now because nobody needs to be ugly :(
>>336179979
This is the funniest part. They're reissuing cWoD stuff because everyone hated nWoD. They even use updated mechanics! There are literally no reasons to play nWoD other than bad taste.
>mfw the new library quest additions
the new areas are cool but the fucking grammar/wording on the notes is atrocious. I could do so much better
And the fucking fight too. He's an old Lasombra but uses an uzi and no obtenebration
His VA/mic quality/writing is also garbage
come the fuck on wesp
so shitty, yet so comfy
>>336180762
>NWoD shitter doesn't know that all games have questgivers
are you literally brain damaged?
What am I saying, of course you are.
Should I stream Bloodlines? Got like 7 hours to kill and I'm fucking bored, could go for some VtM talk.
>>336181472
It's not really shitty, it looks fine other than the bed The desk has character, it was left outside to rust.
>not having covers on your bed
what kind of heathen practice is this
>>336180762
>waaaah people should buy literal garbage because I have bad taste
>>336181724
sure, I'm not doing anything else and I've never seen somebody else play it, I might pick something up
>>336158025
This. Give me fucking either, as long as it's a good game I couldn't give a shit
>>336181149
The problem with open world is that it needs to be dobe properly in order to be good.
I think Gothic has the best semi-open world in any RPG I ever played. The world is not Bethesda-tier big, but it's pretty spacious but more importantly it's fully handcrafted, detailed as fuck and full of unique locations.
>>336181087
Almost every oWoD defender and nWoD hater never has any points outside vampire and I'm pretty sure never played anything outside that. nWoD has some great books Hunter, Changeling and Geist are all better in nWoD than the oWoD versions.
>>336181724
Sure thing bro. If you go I will follow, throught the cracks and hollows.
>>336181724
ayy go for it man
just finished up a decent gangrel playthrough yesterday
I'll jump in about 25ish minutes
Considering how Sawyer is actively killing is on company, no, it isn't happening.
>>336181394
>It's the same reason they hate Promethean
But Promethian is new not old. Wouldn't newod fags like Promethian?
>>336182189
Again, Sawyer will ruin it by sperging out when he doesn't get his way.
Such is the way of the codexfag.
>>336181850
>>336181997
>>336182047
Ok heres the channel namesometimesatom
>>336182130
Nope, they hate it. Not everything in Nwod is bad, and Promethean was pretty good. The problem is that Promethean was a game about personal discovery and finding humanity, which they don't like because there's a goal. You're not allowed to be a superhero edgelord because the core conceit of a Promethean is becoming human. You don't get to stay special; you're trying to become normal. They hate that.
NWoDfags also made the writers fuck up Changeling because it was "problematic"
>>336182785
Do you play anything other than VtMB? Also play as femToreador.
>>336182974
Funny, /tg/ hate VtM because they think it's too edgy.
>>336182974
>Not everything in Nwod is bad, and Promethean was pretty good
Agreed. Nice to hear Promethian get some love.
>NWoDfags also made the writers fuck up Changeling because it was "problematic"
What do you mean? New Changeling was pretty good. Or are you saying new Changeling was good but then fans forced writers to do something recently that made it bad?
>>336181940
>new Geist
>new Changeling
>better than Old
slash your wrists immediately please
Guys,I just reinstalled the game. Haven't played it in YEARS. What essential patches do I need for some fun?
>>336183350
Definitely get the UOP.
Should probably get the plus patch.
Maybe, if you're desperate, get the CQM, but it'll only work with a slightly older version of the UOP/plus patch.
>>336183276
Wasn't Wraith literally made to destroy friendships and ruin groups?
>>336181087
>its a product of its time
If we're making bingo cards then make this the owod shitter free space.
>>336183350
Only wesp5. He just released a new version.
>>336183276
>defending THE DREAMING
>shitting on The Lost
Adopt a trip so I can filter you.
>>336183991
but it's completely correct. things considered cool to 90s goths/punks aren't considered cool now. nobody agrees with you (who knows why you thought they would in a VtM thread) so feel free to fuck off.
>>336182785
Nice
>>336184360
>90s goths/punks aren't considered cool now
Were they ever considered cool? For some reason I always saw them as slightly more popular emo(the older kind, with the Spock haircut and almost grindcore music).
>>336184645
I never said they were cool, you misread me
>>336184645
I like the aesthetic and some of the music
>>336184360
The only way you are correct is that masquerade was made by a fledgling company that didnt know what it was doing. If thats what 'a product of its time' means, feel free to make it your golden cow. You still have inferior taste. Blood and Smoke has the superior tools, great things like The Strix, TFV, torpor rules and more that allow for montage play and more cogent stories that have nothing to do with muh powerlevels. Meanwhile Owod shitter praise 'muh lore' because they are braindead retards who need their modules handed to them on a silver platter. Kill yourself owod nigger.
>>336157324
>obsidian
>not SJW
Really want this but you know it will be shit.
>>336170330
Looks like a fat Nova Scotian.
>>336184228
>Liking Rape Victim: The RPG
>>336184946
Play the original again. The whole universe is populated by special snowflake lesbians and feminists. And they could still make a good sjw friendly game, they just need to rip-off Bataille and some older erotic novels(or even old vampire novels, something like that one Mircea Eliade wrote could work pretty well).
>>336184883
>didnt know what it was doing
yeah, that must be why people prefer VtM over VtR, they just don't have a fucking clue.
You don't even seem to understand what I'm saying here. A product of its time means that it hasn't aged particularly well, a lot of its themes, aesthetic and characters are things that were prevalent and popular in the 90s but not so much now. This does not particularly mean they are bad, just some things won't transfer over quite as well (like Haight and even Beckett really).
Now, I've never once shit on VtR's rule set, it's superior in every single way. Unfortunately for you, there's many pieces out there on how to fit the VtR rules to a VtM setting and (if I recall correctly) an upcoming release of a continuation of VtM where TFN never happened that uses the VtR move set. So that's a moot point.
The main sticking point of VtR is that the campaigns are more local and not on a grand scale like VtM. This really is down to personal preference but VtM's mean much more fleshed out lore compared to the fucking NOTHING that VtR has. Criticize what you want about VtM, but you're going to have a tough time talking shit about the lore when it was purposefully reduced for VtR because nWoD shitters couldn't digest any of it and therefore you've got fuck all to show in comparison.
Now please just save everybody some fucking time and fuck off back to /tg/.
>>336157324
No its not ever happening. Obsidian is after the big bucks with AW.
I have more hopes for fucking Underworld Ascendant, guys from Thief are making it.
this has loads of potential in 2 ways- potential to be glorious and on par with bloodlines
and the potential to be utter, disappointing shit.
I really hope they don't infect it with SJW nonsense. And no open world either, NV does it fine but I'd rather have hubs for the next VtM game. And I really hope they don't Bioware-ize the game with a voiced protag, dialog wheel, shit level up system, and only one ending.
>>336171663
Its from the faggots who made life is strange, its going to be shit.
Young adult novel level of shit.
>>336174192
Fuck, what happened to the West. I want the cycle to turn around.
Anyone know a way to respec? I think i messed up by build.
>>336188294
Why cant we have a good spooky detective vampire mystery?
>>336189475
Not sure. How far in to the game are you? Game gives a load of XP
>>336189809
Play Remember Me, it will give you a better idea of what they can pull off.
Just installed GoG repack, who should i roll?
I want a werewolf game.
>>336191982
VENTRUE
>>336157324
>Leonard Boyarsky
Also known as lead world designer and writer of Diablo 3.
>VtmB lead programmer Tim Cain
Can't think of a more damning title.
>VtmB lead writer Brian Mitsoda
Who married a red flag; Just take a gander at his wife's twitter.
>Obsidian and Paradox
Make it stop
>>336191982
Toreador. Go full guns and seduction. Fuck bitches and shot badies.
I like how I can just walk into a parking garage and massacre gangbangers with comedic stealth kills in this game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdSWwPHVpgA
>>336193672
If you play without the plus version, you don't even need obfuscation, with something like six in stealth you can literally walk in front of them and not even be noted. My must fun playthrough was a stealth brujah.
>>336193883
I never play without the Plus Patch these days. Plus I almost always play Malkavian. Any other clan I've never gotten past the Warrens. I either get bored or cannot complete said area. I probably just really like Malkavians.
>>336187105
I play Armored Warfare and I just don't see how they make money. It takes little effort to have fun in PvP without the need for buying things with real money
>>336194465
Well its exactly like WoT, progression really takes off with premium account on.
I hate how the game is just Wot 2.0, when you could have still made a arcade game like it with modern armor, and make better more interesting concepts.
Obsidian just does not have the drive anymore. A guy like Styg and Underrail does.
>>336191982
Gangrel if you want to be a real vampire.
>>336193218
Is that John Romero?
>>336195937
Yes, where do you think Doom and Quake got their style from?
Because its not there anymore.
I hope we get a VTMB thread like this one again. Comfy af and it lasted long too.
>>336197002
Let me make it comfier.
http://debofnight.andcuriouser.com/
>>336190932
Elizbeth Dane.
Whats the most viable things that i should spend my xp on to be OP?
>>336157920
Semi-linear. I'd rather have tight well developed levels than big open world areas with nothing to do.
>>336157920
NO OPEN WORLD.
Semi-linear Hub Areas are the way to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1GhNWS3yN8
why was all the best music unused. I really hope they can reuse some of it for any future ip.
the atmosphere was so good in this game.
wish i could erase my memory of it and play it for the first time again.
>>336157920
Medium size Hubs but with the map sizes of sandbox games to fool you.
Perfect. Deus Ex and Thief had pretty big levels, but think bigger.
>>336161237
why did Russia hate the Allies in WW2? Lack of support. Their people were dying all over the place.
best waifu
>>336197545
Oh you're fine then. Persuasion is really good, easily the best talky stat
Go for scholarship to increase both that and research, which is also good.
Melee is decent all game, but you'll have some difficulty with one of the end bosses
Unarmed is only really good if you're Gangrel
Guns are really good in the later game but are kind of shit early on.
What clan are you?
>>336197787
I know right?
The thing is, it's great and all but often times it doesn't really fit in locations
If they had character themes these could fit great though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjuAFnBXBM
My favorite
>>336198136
Liking filthy Commies.
>>336198838
I just like tsundere pale redheads, and she ticks all those boxes.
>>336157920
The former, Obsidian can't handle the latter and it'll end up as a shitheap
>>336194431
Are you me?
>>336184883
And once again NWOD shitters prove why they're retarded. You don't want a world, you want a raw ruleset with no plot attached.
>>336183524
Yep. That's why it was cool.
It was like crazy extradimensional ghost adventurers. Geist feels more like Orpheus.
>>336198136
Noice.
So what happened with that fan project about porting VtMB on newest Source Engine version?
>>336201428
It got C&D'd when CCP still held the licensefemjah is 2nd best girl btw
>>336201428
They changed engines to Unity 4 at some point. It seemed like they were making good progress for a while (which is rare for most fan projects) and then they got a C&D from CCP or something
>>336157324
are you guys fucking mental? is anyone really stupid enough to believe that if they make another Masquerade game it won't be utter shit?
let's just stop talking about it, and it will go away, that has worked with other planned sequels too
>>336164852
Ocean House isn't scary. It's just a fucking ghost, you're a vampire, stop being a pussy.
>>336202290
>VV
still pure sex.
best waifu.
make love long time.
I'm assuming that the recently released GOG version still needs the unofficial patch?
>>336202663
No, it includes the basic patch. If you want all the additional shit he added, you'll need to install the plus patch though.
>>336202758
so it just has the basic version of the unnoficial patch that should be 9.5 or 9.4?
Neato.
>>336202581
I never liked any of the girl in the game but I would love for a romancy thingy side quest with the bar girl, Venus right?
its been long time since I played it.
>>336202952
>venus
she is a bro tier gal.
not that that stopped me from looking at her massiveinner beauty.
>>336196312
Did Doom have that style? Quake yes, but Doom?
Literally just beat the game for the first time a few minutes ago.
Would be one of my favorite games of all time if there weren't so many issues with it.
Played Tremere anddidn't open it, let the Tremere take over.
>>336203407
It was all over Doom anon, come on.
>>336202290
>>336202581
Her voice is 9001/10.
The game in general has the best Voice Actors and best writing ever.
What a masterpiece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsWBTeoB1Xs
>>336203442
It will become one of your favorite games of all time when you replay it with malkavian.
>>336157920
really detailed hubs.
Open world can be nice, and I loved NV, but I feel like really well designed small spaces > large open areas with not a whole lot of anything interesting going on
I'm not sure if I want it if Obsidian can't do VTMB/HL2 tier facial animations
>>336157324
Why do you keep making this thread?
>>336203813
Because people want to talk about VTMB.
Why do you keep posting the same comment?
>>336203651
I don't see how playing a different clan will fix the general jank, barebones late game areas and shitty bosses, but Malkavian is definitively on my to do list.
>>336204147
Yeah, first time I finished the game, I thought it couldn't really get better with another playthrough... until I finished my second one with malk. Just trust me.
>>336157920
Open world but with true sandbox dynamics. Reading pc gamer back in the 90s I thought the first vtm game was going to be an open world city with competing vampire clans actively struggling for turf and conducting dark rituals in the basements of skyscrapers. despite what everyone says about open world games being boring I don't think that is necessarily inherit to open world games but only exist because the worlds never change despite whatever npcs and the player may do.
>>336204147
m8.
M8.
listen here you lil shit.
everybody and their grandma know Malkavian is the best playthrough.
but ONLY after you beat the game once or atleast made it to chinatown.
I die a little inside knowing there will be never again a game where I had so much joy from the dialogue than on my Malkavian playthroughs.
literally the pinnacle of what is physically possible.
fuck I am going to start my annual VtMB game early I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9feALBDThQ
>>336206113
kek
>>336170958
Till the End of Times, Gehenna, is upon us.
>>336199351
No, because I'm pretty sure that would be a bigger coincidence than getting struck twice by lightning.
>>336205368
I have beaten the game six times as a Malkavian, including my first playthrough. I have yet to beat the game as any other clan. Malkavian is love, Malkavian is life.
>>336198538
Tremere
Persuasion, Scholarship, and Melee. Alright Go'tcha!
Any good controller support mod out there?
>>336206562
fellow malky here.
I wouldn't recommend playing the first time as Malk or Nosferatu.
Nosferatu cause it cuts away a giant portion of NPC dialogue, Malk cause there will be a billion inside jokes, self-references and details you might miss easily in the crazy haze that is Malk dialogue.
besides anybody who played the game will do so atleast 9000 times so might aswell go normy vampire the first time around just to have a reference.
>>336206882
Dunno about controller support, but if you're playing Tremere it's probably best if you rely on Thaumaturgy for combat and put points into guns for other things. Auspex gives a boost to ranged damage or something if I remember right. Plus, due to the clan weakness, Tremere can't put more than 4 dots into any physical attribute iirc
>>336206562
Dude, my first playthrough was back in 2013. And it was as a Malkavian. I chose them solely because I'm also mentally ill and my friends call me insightful so they were an obvious choice, because I either play characters I can relate to or characters I want to stick my dick in. Female Malkavian is both of those things.
>>336157920
Both would be good if done right, but HR style allows more detail and tighter level design. Also one of my favorite things in BL was the distinct flavour and atmosphere each hub had, something that may be lost in the transition to an open world.
Day/Night cycle would be cool, but might be a little hard to implement. I do like the idea of forcing players to plan missions ahead of time in order to avoid sunlight, but this could be real frustrating, a few small fuckups could potentially make missions unable to be completed.
So what was your favourite VTMB run?
Personally my Ventrue one was my favourite
>choose union leader background
>kiss lacroix's ass all game
>at the same time I'm ragging on the camarilla to the anarchs constantly
>speech and domination give me loads of exp for finishing quests non violently
>become OP as fuck end game
>end up siding with the anarchs to oust the camarilla and que jin from LA
>hero to kindred everywhere
>all according to plan
>>336206882
also, melee is best early game and guns are good mid-endgame, the .44 magnum is the most versatile gun in the game. Also doon't worry about Tremere's weakness, it doesn't make much of a difference on the gameplay. Tremere can still be pretty tanky without physical stats maxed. VTMB is anything but balanced, do most of the sidequests and you'll have alot of points to throw around to give your character well rounded stats.
>>336208395
Every run is the best run.
Except Nosferatu runs, they tend to get stale quite quickly.
>>336157920
The hubs were pretty much smaller versions of an 'open world' map. It really doesn't matter which way you were to go here, as long they the induvidual maps (if hubstyle) are larger and more detailed than the orginal game or the xbox heug world map doesn't run slow as hard shit.
>elements that comes with it, day/night cycle, evading the sun during daytime, etc.
Yes, I would like that stuff. In addition I think your blood pool should very (very) slowly drain during gameplay/rest so that you can't just get away with never feeding by not using abilities. Or maybe it should drop as you regenerate lost health. I know this probably deviates from table top rules, but what works in a tabletop game and what works in a video game are very different things.
>>336157324
I kinda wish they'd use another property if they've got the WoD IP, just because Vampire has already had like two games by now. Everyone goes to Vampire.
>>336210480
>wanting to be a furry
no thanks I take the human looking vampire tits.
>>336170208
>>nWoD
>No thank you, not at all.
onyx path only licensed nWoD for games tho, because they want it to tie into tabletop shit they can sell (V20/W20/M20/etc. notwithstanding)
>>336181472
>>336181825
how could a vamp survive daytime in there
>>336193218
>>Leonard Boyarsky
>Also known as lead world designer and writer of Diablo 3.
but that's wrong
>>336210994
Always wondered that myself. It's a finaldeathtrap. You'd have to lock yourself in the dunny.
>>336210994
Have you ever seen the main go to sleep?
You just realized the whole game takes place in the same night.
Mind = blown.
I AM NO LONGER HERE
>>336214502
ISOLATED
>>336157920
im a sucker for open world. i would fucking love to do one as a vampire and do all sort of edgy shit
>>336191982
toreador all the way
>>336215023
"GTA: Camarilla" could be fun but it would have nothing to do with how the games were told so far.
>Play Bloodlines for the first time
>Roll Gangrel
>No clue what the fuck I'm doing with points
>Get dunked hard by that plague spreading shit underneath downtown.
>Eventually give up on the game.
>Years later I try again
>/v/ provides tips on where to put points
>Rip and tear through everything
>Maximum carnage
>Easily drink blood from any enemy to fuel rampage.
>Finally manage to finish game.
>Enjoyed the whole ride.
What class next, niggas?
>>336215461
have you even read the thread?
>>336215261
Oh i didnt know it was for a sequel I thought it was just for another vampire game.
I would also love to hide during the day and sometimes struggle to feed. I would love some 'hardcore' vampire roleplay basically
>>336202290
>people actually thinking VV was trying to deceive you in any way
the game blatantly tells you that even minuscule amounts of kindness can exist in a world so depressing.
>>336215704
>deceive
>VV
M8 Susan is the very living (haha geddit) trope of the whore with a golden heart.
Although she atcs all slutty and makes your dick explode with the force of 1000 suns, she knows how to run a tight ship and switches to business mode when the fun banter is done.
And look at the loser she is protecting (no spoilers for our first timers pls).
>>336215632
>Hub vs Open world arguments
>Lore Discussion
>Hopes for the future
>Ocean House
>Build discussion
Yeah I read it.
>>336215927
>>336215704
My point being that she does not try to fuck with your mind like Tourette does or tries to force her opinions on you like Damsel.
She values your involvement unlike most other ungrateful dicks.
Easily one of the most likeable characters in the game.
>>336216074
see
>>336203651
>>336204147
>>336205368
>>336206562
>>336210008
the general consencus is you play normie vampire first aka all but malkavian and nosferatu, which you did, then malkavian, then malkavia again and never anything else than malkavian unless you really want to try the other disciplines or want to see how boring the game can be if reduced to mostly combat AKA nosferatu.
>>336213069
Takes place over a few weeks I think
around late october 2004
I never understood was ocean house was so spooky. I was more spooked there than I was playing silent hill
>>336216378
beause the gamer designers/writers are genius.
they give you enough hints for you to expect ALL the chlichees and you expect it to play out a certain way, but it doesn't, while it still manages to pull the spooky haunted house movie perfectly.
and the map like most others in the game is extremely well designed.
What's the most OP discipline, Celerity or Thaumaturgy?
>>336216704
For combat?
Thaumaturgy, thats basically easy mode.
For laughter and general fun?
Dementation.
>>336216704
Thaumaturgy
>>336157324
>>336157920
Make the game good. I wouldn't be able to contain my rage if both Romero and VtmB people were to fuck up
>>336157324
>>336157920
So how would you guys feel if Obsidian make it a CRPG like Pillars of Eternity? I feel like this is a pretty big possibility especially since Paradox is there publisher and ain't known for funding AAA tier games.
Pisha is best girl
>>336157324
I hope they remake Vampire: The Masquerade - Redemption.
It would be perfect as an isometric real-time RPG with party members and i guess you could also pause the combat and issue commands.
The game has so much potential and its use of symbolism about humility, hope, and salvation is top notch. It's just too bad that the game's second half was so rushed and blatantly unfinished.
>>336218219
Literally the first time I ever hear anybody say that.
So congrats to you.
>oWoD
>>336181394
>Oh and Nosferatu can be "terrifyingly beautiful" now
Consider me fucking triggered. If there's one thing that makes me certain that I'll never embrace nWoD it's that. Muh Nosferatu are some fucking hideous monstrosities that live in fucking sewers and that's that.Nossie best clan
>>336181472
>>336210994
Haven't you noticed the four boards on the floor? What do you think they're for?
PROTIP: They're for the windows.
>>336218219
>Imalia
ftfy
>People are still arguing about oWod vs nWoD when V20 exists
V20 is great, it basically fixes everything that was wrong with oWoD's gameplay and lore, taking just enough from nWoD without removing what made the classic stuff special.
The only thing that sucks isthe fucking art holy shit I've seen better work on Deviantart
>>336218937
WW art varies really wildly. Always has. One minute you're looking at something you want to hang on your wall the next you think you accidentally picked up a 6 year old's art homework.
>>336216378
It was more annoying than spooky to me.
>>336218657
That gets misunderstood a lot. Nossie in nWoD just like any of the core clans is a larger template that the player is supposed to fill in rather than a specific clan with strongly defined characteristics. Just like how a Ventrue in nWoD isn't necessarily some slick asshole in a suit and tie. Done right you can get some cool shit out of it. Done wrong though and you get some really cringey shit.
>>336218657
But in old wod Nossies are also beautiful people that look like whoever they want including the most beautiful models. I'll take the nWod were they just have terrifyingly beautiful as an optional thing for an ugly outcast clan over oWod where they look like fashion models.
>>336219648
There is no "misunderstood." The book literally says "they don't have to be ugly. Sometimes they can be WAY too beautiful and people just can't deal!"
This is NWoD's whole thing. They don't want to commit to an idea because it might infringe on someone's snowflake so every class is just a nebulous stat cloud.
>>336219905
Are you literally trying to use Obfuscate as justification for NWoD being pants on head retarded?
>>336220040
Exactly. When you make every clan a grey mush then it loses the entire appeal of clans in the first place.
>>336219905
Yeah, they can spend fucking blood to do it. It's not like they just look like that constantly.
>>336172151
That was a thing in earlier editions, but newer editions downplay or stop mentioning it altogether, alongside the easy 10 humanity Golconda path and the colombian narco vampire lords.
>>336220169
Hey man, I don't want Nossies that can just be beautiful and pretty no matter what. I prefer having the option of being ugly. Not my fult old wod made a bad Nossie set up.
>>336220349
you know what else vampires can spend blood on? Erections, resisting sunlight, simulating life, and a bunch of other shit.
You're a real dumb bitch you know that?
>>336220349
>>336219905
>>336219648
I wonder what it's like to enjoy something so thoroughly reviled and rejected that even the company that makes it disowns it?
I bet NWoD fans feel like Ninja Theory DmC fans
>>336157920
First one, because no matter who tackles the second one they'll still fuck it up.
>>336157920
I want be a bloody egeyneer and build sex cotraptions that protect me from the sun while rape and please my meals.
Open world now!
>>336208395
Independent > Tremere of the Lost Ark > Kuei Jin (because it shows what happens to kindred traitors) > buddy Anarchs > LaCroix' bitchboy
>>336157920
I'd be alright with a V:TMB game that has hub areas but an open world game with modding capabilities would be pretty cool too. Really I just want another V:TMB game and preferably one that doesn't require me to buy a $1,000 machine, but a $500 machine. Graphics like Bloodlines or Skyrim would be alright. Also don't put all the audio on one layer because then if you choose to use copyrighted music that screws over everyone who wants to do a Let's Play of your game.
>>336221286
Plus Patch also adds a Sabbat ending last time I checked. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it says that in the patch notes.
>>336221875
Doesn't that use the new LaSombra guy? I'm not sure of the authenticity of that ending. I'd put it with the werewolf one.
>>336221286
>Tremere ending above Anarch
>Fucking ayy lmao ending above Anarch
Terrible taste anon, the Anarchs have both Best Girl and bro Nines.
>>336221994
One, it uses Andrei and is basically the Kuei-jin ending but the protagonist doesn't go down with the sarcophagus. Two, there's a werewolf ending?
>>336215461
>tfw you get celerity from beckett
that's when the brakes are fully removed from the rape train
>>336222257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cvDvNeCtL4
>>336222257
>Andrei and is basically the Kuei-jin ending but the protagonist doesn't go down with the sarcophagus
>Even Andrei is smart enough not to risk opening the sarcophagus
Fucking hell, LaCroix
>>336216704
I'd say Celerity maybe. Thaumaturgy requires a steady supply of blood to do anything with, so in the sewer it's a real pain unless you got a lot of bags/rats to feed on
>>336222563
Well I never thought I'd see that in a video game that wasn't Skyrim. How do you get that ending?
>>336222584
Ventrue are kind of retarded like that.
>>336218937
I really like Leif Jones' stuff
Has a kind of weird exaggerated style to it
>>336221286
>Kuei Jin ending not dead last
At least with LaCroix ending you can figure you might get something out of it
Real tier listDancing Wolf> Independent > Anarchs > Camarilla > Opening it > LaCroix > shit > piss > death > castration > Kuei Jin
>>336219360
>WW art varies really wildly. Always has.
Yeah, that's the thing. oWoD didn't have uniform art style. In nWoD they gave each game line a specific look. Of course, that depends on whether you actually like that look or not
>>336223426
And some new Mage for comparison. I wonder how they'll color it for 2E.
>missing a Bloodlines thread
EVERY FUCKING TIME
>>336223707
You should learn by now. Bloodlines threads go through the night, but die during the day.
>>336224409
Damn, just when I can finally go out from home you start Bloodlines threads.
>>336223426
Specific look my ass.
>thread is still up
incredible
>>336225026
You going to post a second different picture?
>>336225156
What for? Tracing's already damning enough for that "artstyle" nonsense. NWoD was made on a shoe-string budget and it shows everywhere.
>>336225307
>trust me guys it doesn't have a specific look and all the others I'm not showing look different
You sound like a neckbeard with a hair up his ass.
So my only complaint about the backgrounds that the Plus Patch added are that some of them are unclear on what effects they actually have. I picked Deaf for my Malkavian because it said it gave her +1 Humanity and some extra luck, but what it didn't tell me until I was halfway through Downtown is that it also caps her Perception to 3. They should probably be a bit clearer on the backgrounds and not go all prose and fanfiction-like when describing them.
>>336225458
Which is still better than being you, I guess.
>>336225458
m8, specific art style or not, tracing a fucking well known video game character for your art is fucking laughable.
>>336225026
I can't believe that got to print. What was the artist thinking?
You guys talking about actual pen and paper RPGs are gay af. I'm just here for the boobs.
>>336225192
>tremere near the top
disgusting
gangrel > nosferatu > ventrue > brujah > malkavian > toreador > tremere
>>336222801
>How do you get that ending?
At the Luckee Star Motel you have to run into a certain room and open and close the door like 16 times or some shit, then you look into the sky and there's a giant dancing werewolf. Then at the end you unlock that dialogue choice. That's why the text says "I've seen the dancing wolf before."
I'll see us off with some concept art. I think it captures the mood and atmosphere of the places you go and the people you meet very well.
>>336225813
Not bad, but I prefer Jeanette LOL
>>336225192
>tremere on top
fucking blood thieves
>>336225813
I want to fuck Damsel straight then turn her into a fucktoy for the Camarilla.
>>336157920
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Jack mention you burning up if you make direct contact with the sun? A day/night cycle would be realistic but you couldn't do anything during the day unless you stayed indoors or just slept or something.
>>336225935
thanks anon. Haven't seen some of these yet. will save to post in future threads with some character sheets
>>336225953
I feel like I'm seeing something I'm not supposed to see.
>>336226043
Fortitude can be used to resist sunlight at high enough levels. I think Beckett or some other named Gangrel used that to run across a football field during the day.
>>336225818
>toreador so low
Toreadors are top tier if their chosen art is something not gay.
>>336225837
Cool, thanks. Which room at the hotel do I have to be in?
>>336226154
they're a good clan, just dragged down a bit by much of their player base
we had a reoccurring toreador as the antagonist of our group, massive slimebag that smeared the shit out of our reputation whereever we went. No one could touch him im court or fighting him. felt good kicking him out of an apartment window into a sunrise
>>336226260
>>336226258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCnrtXERYaQ
>>336226260
Fucking love this style. Gothpunk? Or something like that.
What other games use it?
Would people actually play the game? Seems like a waste of time making a new Vampire Game.
>>336226964
Make the console version exclusive and let the warriors wig out and do the advertising for them?
>>336225725
He was thinking he wanted to draw Dante.
>>336225026
They didn't even fucking try on this one.
>>336226341
I may include that in my Let's Play for shits and giggles. I am running Plus Patch 9.5 so it might be a good thing to feature.
>>336226964
I'd back it.
>>336157324
I BELIEVE!
>>336166864
she's actually a case of life imitating art, the comic came first
>>336178387
The masketta man!
>>336176018
Can you possess a ghoul and enjoy sex or use your mental disciplines through him? Or you just don't have that instinct anymore and you can only use what the ghoul knows.
>>336176018
>but at it's ultimate level you can literally block out the sun
The ultimate power of all disciplines is a plot device.
>>336179456
>NWoD babby shitting the thread again
kys
>>336214864
I-SO-LA-TED
>>336233870
>Can you possess a ghoul and enjoy sex
No.
>use your mental disciplines through him?
Yes, to a limited degree.
Some tzimisce use Vicissitude to sculpt their ghouls into exact copies of themselves.
>>336218937
this
>>336234417
>Some tzimisce use Vicissitude to sculpt their ghouls into exact copies of themselves.
Fucking crazy Tzimisce
>>336170174
I remember seeing an panel of her with I think Kevin Conroy and someone asked her about Jeanette or something VtM related and she said something to the effect (jokingly) that's how you can tell who's a weirdo.
>>336178387
does anybody have more of these, my cWoD is pretty hefty but these are always something I'm missing and people love when they're dumped
>>336234672
All Tzimisce are fucking crazy, they were created from pure evil.
>he Legend of Irad has it that, at some point in the city of Enoch, Irad "the Strong" sought to purge himself of all evil. Using his mastery of Protean, the ancient gathered all of his evil into a bilious mass of repugnancy and horror, and spat it out. Irad's intention was to destroy the mortal whom consumed this mass of protean, thinking that by destroying this mortal, he would destroy the evil also. But to Irad's surprise this mortal appeared normal. Irad brought the mortal to his brother Enoch's attention. Curious, Enoch Embraced the mortal to see what the outcome would be. Thus, the world was given the Tzimisce Antediluvian.
>>336235539
Oh damn that's the first thing I've ever heard of a second gen vampire. I always thought everything about them was unknown except they were all killed by antediluvians.
>>336234829
>(jokingly)
yeah, sure thing anon
>>336235539
>hey dude this thing is literally created from pure evil but its hotter than what i imagined it to look like
>fuck it lets turn it into a supernatural predator what could go wrong
Second gens deserved it
>>336235539
I know, doing crazy shit like fleshcrafting peoples' faces. At least Andrei is a pretty funny guy.
>Curious, Enoch Embraced the mortal to see what the outcome would be
Second generation fucking deserved what they got.
>>336235923
>>336236583
I know all the second gen died. How many 3rd gen are still alive?
>>336236796
>How many 3rd gen are still alive?
No one knows for sure and some of them are up to your choice of what is canon or not.
Okay but WHAT is more powerful?
Toreador with auspex and celerity or a Tremere spamming blood magic?
>>336236796
It's kinda tough, a lot is left to you to decide. I know for a fact that Tzismice is a giant shapeless biomass living deep under New York and Ravnos got absolutely fucking obliterated since he woke up and went on a murderous rampage which pissed quite a few people off.
>>336237698
Toreador.
Guns are pretty OP themselves and celerity is just broken.
>>336237797
I thought that one got dioblerized?
>>336238108
Nope, that's Salubri
Why dont the Vampire just rule over mankind, they have crazy power. Or are they that shit scared of nukes?
>>336238201
Mages
>>336238201
Human's outnumber Vampires by 10000 to 1. The Masquerade was created because after the Inquisition most Vamps were completely BTFO. If the human race knew they were real and began a dedicated campaign against them (like the inquisition again) they'd be dead in a few years time. They also can't risk culling the human population since they're both their only way to "reproduce" and feed. Top that off with vampires only being able to be active for about half the time a human can be, they really aren't all that powerful.
>>336238201
>Why dont the Vampire just rule over mankind, they have crazy power.
They are also far less numerous than humans.
Not to mention vampires are not the only supernatural entity in existance. Technocrats would wreck their shit if they tried to break the consensus so openly, Garou would wreck their shit for spreading Wyrms influence on a big scale, hunters would hunt the fuck out of them etc.
>>336238201
Not just that.
The World of Darkness is full of supernatural shit like werewolves, demons, mages, technomages, wraiths and who knows what.
It's not just vamps.
There's a weird balance of these creatures, and the End Times are closer and closer.
Also: they actually tried to live with mortals, more than once.
While the First and Second City worked, Carthage is... well, nobody knows what exactly happened there.
Some says mortals and kindred could live together, but Rome (Ventrues, I think) fucked their shit up.
Others say it was a city of satanic nightmare, and a failure.
I'm amazed this thread is still up.
>>336238406
Every human would probably eat shit if Tzimisce decided to take over the world. So vampires as a whole aren't that powerless.
>>336238805
>well, nobody knows what exactly happened there
Ventrue faggots got salty the Brujah had stolen their deal and were living better than them, just had to go and ruin it
So after reading this thread I reinstalled it yet again. The thing is it being my favourite game of all time, I have already completed the game too many times (6-7 playthroughs along past years) so I think I will wait a bit more until I replay it again.
So I was thinking about playing Redemption. I've been told it hasnt aged well and that gameplay wise is a torture, but maybe I should give it a go for the atmosphere and story?
Any tips on patches necessary? any tips on where not to mess up the character so I can steamroll the game so I dont get bored by the bad gameplay mechanics?
>>336162893
An active AI that does its own thing creating dynamic events like STALKER except on a larger scale might work. But I doubt any dev is ambitious enough to attempt that considering the many problems it could cause.
>>336157920
I want a good, content rich game with lots of replayability.
That's all.
>>336238850
>Every human would probably eat shit if Tzimisce decided to take over the world.
Probably literally, too.
>>336191982
matrix toreador
>>336236796
Three were diablarized(or so it says, the Brujah case is more nebolous since the person who did it was never seen in the same room as the Brujah ante), and two of them returned(Saulot gained control and Cappadocious still exist as some sort of ghost). Ventrue and Ravnos are supposed to be the only ones deads, Ventrue killed by Brujah and Ravnos by nukes and whacky magic sunlight(and there's still doubt about it being really dead).
Would you participate in a new Vampire game crowdfunding , /v/? Even knowing the past record of failed video game projects on kickstarter?
>>336243858
>Ventrue killed by Brujah
Brujah are truly the best clan.
>>336244037
>Even knowing the past record of failed video game projects on kickstarter?
By Obsidian? I backed the shit out of the Pathologic kickstarter, and it's worth it already just for the updated translation. So, fuck yes.
>>336238850
Everyone that isn't Tzimisce would eat shit if they decided to take over the world. And probably literally too.
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