>VtMB project lead Leonard Boyarsky now working at Obsidian (http://www.pcgamer.com/fallout-art-director-leonard-boyarsky-joins-obsidian/)
>VtMB lead programmer Tim Cain works at Obsidian
>VtMB lead writer Brian Mitsoda expressed interest in working on another Vampire game after Paradox acquired the World of Darkness IP
>Obsidian and Paradox on Twitter going back and forth on using each other's help to make another Vampire game
It's happening, isn't it?
/v/, would you prefer a semi-linear Vampire game with hubs like Bloodlines (or perhaps Human Revolution as a more recent example), or an open world game with more freedom like New Vegas and all the "open world" elements that comes with it, day/night cycle, evading the sun during daytime, etc.
I'm asking for a friend.
LACROIX DID NOTHING WRONG
>>336157920
A HR-like one would be nice
>>336157920
i want the game to be good
>>336157324
No news yet, stop making the same thread over and over.
>>336157324
Probably, perhaps next year or so, but not now, as obsidian is already working on tyranny and pillars of eternity 2.
>>336157324
What's the exact truth about Therese and Jeanette? Were they really twins at one point? Or did one of them create the other, and if so, who created who?
>>336157920
Both ideas are great, i wish it had better character customization even if its simple like changing color of the hair and a few more bits.
I-I justkilled Therese.
Did I fuck up? It's my first time playing this and I let my dick do the talking.
>>336158243
It doesn't matter, neither have any role in the story after that.
>>336158205
The painting with their father shows that 2 did exist, and it's implied through dialogue that their father abused them.
If I recall I think the dad killed one in a fight and the surviving twin killed their father.
>>336158243
No, Therese was going to have you killed
>>336158243
>Not wanting to stick your dick down Therese's throat to shut her up
Truly baka and unkawaii
I got stuck on Ming. Melee spec is awful
>>336157324
>it's a VN just like that shit that was supposed to be the new Deus Ex
>>336158307
Huh? Almost all the art and loading screens have Jeanette on them, and yet she's just a small part? That's kind of disappointing to be honest.
>>336158205
they were originally a more or less normal daddy's girl, but when she got embraced into a Malk her mind split in half to two opposite extremes
>>336157920
>/v/, would you prefer a semi-linear Vampire game with hubs like Bloodlines (or perhaps Human Revolution as a more recent example), or an open world game with more freedom like New Vegas and all the "open world"
those are all in /v/'s top 10 games of all time
>>336158369
Even if you don't fuck up?
>>336158061
>girl
>Have to get a new donor for the blood bank
>Seduce a girl to do it
>Go to blood bank
>She's not there
0/10 would not reinstall again.
>gameplay will be done by Josh Sawyer
>Chris Avellone will not write his NPCs
>>336157920
I would love if they made everything happening in one city connected via an overworld-like zone like it was in ODST or Zelda games.
>>336159805
>>gameplay will be done by Josh Sawyer
So finance will be "balanced".
Why did he hate the Camarilla?
>>336158326
She is a malkavian, so that voice inside her head is Jeanette. The picture is probably just for show, so you don't jump to any conclusions straight away.
>>336161350
Don't confuse the guy you stupid retard, he got it absolutely right.
>>336161237
He doesn't. He just think LaCroix is a retard.
>>336158205
Therese would get fucked by her dad and loved it, but one night daddy got drunk and fucked Jeanette instead. Therese went mad with jealousy and killed her father and her sister. She later became a Malk and as you should know no Malk is sane, and so she developed a split personality of her twin sister.
>>336161237
He didn't? Did he?
>>336158396
melee is best, but only as a Brujah or Gangrel. Everyone else is guns or magic.
>>336162172
Also, isn't his whole schtick that Nosferatus are so indispensable to the Cammies that they can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want?
>>336157920
>open world game with more freedom like New Vegas and all the "open world" elements that comes with it, day/night cycle, evading the sun during daytime, etc.
That would be neat but the problem with open worlds is that it's very easy to make them shitty and/or generic and very difficult to make them good.
>>336157920
It would probably be much better to have a bunch of good hubs rather than an enormous bland sandbox. It doesn't really foster itself to open world play.
>muh twitter
Come on now. They're working on Tyranny anyways. This shit ain't coming out for a while.
>>336157324
A SEXIST GAME FROM A SWEDISH DEV?!
>>336162270
Ming is the worst person to use melee against because she has more hp than anything. Have to use a flamethrower.
>>336162048
Doesn't it make more sense for Jeanette to enjoy getting fucked by her dad?
>>336157920
Open world with an option to be a hunter.
>>336157920
Open world would end up like shit like it does 90% of the time.
Unfortunately it just wouldn't be possible to make a substantial city that is believably dense and has wacky WoD shit happening in it 24/7 without a lot of copy pasting.
The hub system has always been better than open world.
>>336158396
Just use bushhook and lots of blood packs.
My toreador took a bit long but I managed.
>>336162270
Ventrue are good for melee, the 1st dot of Dominate paralyses bosses (even the shark demon) allowing you to circle behind them and do the 3-hit combo. They also have Fortitude and Presence, both of which buff defence.
>It's happening, isn't it?
No, at least not yet.
>>336157920
>/v/, would you prefer a semi-linear Vampire game with hubs like Bloodlines (or perhaps Human Revolution as a more recent example)
Very few games benefit from a open world, I doubt its the case with a potential sequel. So a hub like the first would be a better choice.
>>336161237
Besides LaCroix being a stupid cunt? It's because they are Nosferatu, and they are being hunted by their Antedeluvian(he hopes that offering his clan as sacrifice, Cain will remove his curse and return his beauty).
>>336163070
>max out fortitude
>use it with blood buff
>become unstopable and soak all the incoming damage
Ventrue top class
>>336162317
Yes. That's why he acts like he hates the Camarilla openly, because he knows he can get away with it.
What was it he said about not wanting be to become prince?
>>336163101
What a fucking asshole.
>>336157920
Big hubs, bigger than HR at the very least.
>>336163749
If I'm not mistaken him killing the Caine's waifu was part of the events that brought generations and clan curses.
>>336163945
2nd gen vampires didn't have any curse?I know that 3rd gen vamps killed them
>>336164090
>2nd gen vampires didn't have any curse?
Their killing was what brought it, each individual clan curse stem to what part they had in the murder of the second generation. Patricide is recurring theme in the tabletop.
>>336158326
>what's a comission
I can pay some sick pedo on deviantart 50 bucks to paint me as a CR18 Nightcrawler with shadow tentacle dicks, but that don't make it so.
>>336164090
>2nd gen vampires didn't have any curse?
Beyond being vampires which is a curse in itself? No.
Caine cursed all 13 vampires of the 3rd generation with a weakness of some sort as a punishment for killing the 2nd generation. Those 13 vampires are the progenitors of 13 clans.
>tfw had to mute volume to get through Ocean House
T-That's the only scary part right? Right?
>>336164852
You poor, poor soul.
>>336164852SEWERS
>VtMB lead programmer Tim Cain works at Obsidian
He was destined.
>>336164852
the whole snuff movie questline is way worse, one of the few things in vidya that still haunts me
>>336164852
Thats the most, but nothing close, just more unsettling and annoying than spoopy.
>>336165030
He asked for scary, not tedious.
I swear it's like Troika had an obligatory "tedious dungeon" requirement for their RPGs. Anyone remembers the Black Mountain Clan mines from Arcanum?
>>336158262
You're meant to be as clingy and desperate as possible. That's what she's into
>>336165030
Is that the one with the hobo that dies? I literally saved right in front of the manhole yesterday.
Plz no.
>>336164852
>>336165167
I always found the Syndicate and White Cloud to be scarier.
>>336165407
Nah.
>>336165407
No, those things come much later in the game. Although that cult is pretty annoying.
>>336165030
The house where the snuff tape was recorded was worse.
>>336157324
I'd think the idea is begging for open world, but have yet to see a open world RPG that doesn't suck ass.
The basic issue with open worlds is that they're often padding and time-wasters than actual mechanical things you can fuck around with and I reckon the VtM ideas like they're partially implemented in Bloodlines lean themselves to some nice OW opportunities. The game could start as a rogue-like of sorts, where you have limited range because of the 12 hour night-day cycle and you're inching your knowledge of the area and the game mechanics one night at a time, always retreating bc of sunlight. The zone conquest mechanic at the end of GTA SA could also be implemented to some effect. You should be incentivized to rule areas/businesses to further your supply of blood and standing with the "camarilla", as well as being responsible for any crime in those areas. The fact that high-class blood is better than a bum's could also work as incentive for the player to inch its way from the seedy part of town up to the rich people's neck of the woods. All this entailing setting up a number of blood-junkie informants, guards and cows to further your shit, the expanse of which could come with the reward of siring your own vamp (or being allowed to keep one) to aid (?). All the while being subject to competitors randomly invading and reking your shit.
Iunno. The idea of having to learn to hunt to be able to feed yourself to get through one night at a time and then escalating to what's above with procedurally generated conditions seems interesting.
>>336165841
It would be honestly kinda lame since sunlight and the masquerade would put so many restrictions on it.
>>336165390
shit
I ruined everything
>>336166050
Yes you did.
>>336165980
What about just having a week system with city changes based on the days, no night/day cicle but the day passes when you save your game on your haven.
VtM is dead, Long Live VtR
>>336165407
Topkek. Just wait until you get to Hollywood.
>>336157920
Hub area to keep the quality of the side quests as high as possible.
>>336165980
The sunlight's the interesting bit. The fact that you have to set shit up so it can function without your supervision 50% of the time should be the main incentive in dealing with regular humans and not just treat them like healthpacks.
Idk the source material that well but I assume one would have to take some liberties with the masquerade. Then again, not all violations imply your death. It's a matter of doing something that goes against it to further yourself and then doing someone else a favor to strike the violation off, like in Bloodlines.
>>336166512
VtM is back since the anniversary edition was released. Now you can play both.
>>336165980
> sunlight and the masquerade would put so many restrictions on it
How?
I mean they would be restrective, but in a good way. We already had masquarade in VtMB, and sunlight would add a layer of strategic thinking as to how to get from point A to B if it's daytime, to make sure you can find cover before the sun goes up etc. Not to mention a few clans have disciplines that let them survive short periods of exposure to sunlight.
It reminds of S.T.A.L.K.E.R with mods in a way. Going out at night was usually a bad idea because you covuldn't see shit and there was too amny mutant, and you always had to make sure there is cover near in case of an emisson.
>>336162843
so that's who that gamegate comic is about
>>336166532
It would be goat if they implemented a lot of shit from the P&P, having contacts, buying havens, more liberty on what you can do on your way to do missions and shit.
>mfw playing P&P
>complete a roll to meet with a contact for my mission
>my friends fail theirs and the police gets into action
>i try to make the police kill themselves
>fail the roll
>almost died there like a bitch
>>336166712
>and sunlight would add a layer of strategic thinking as to how to get from point A to B if it's daytime
Vampires can't function during daytime, they simply can't. You would have to be old and really wanting(or needing) to do even be awake and thinking.
>>336157920
Make it Vampire the Requiem: Blood and Smoke.
>>336166982
>Vampires can't function during daytime, they simply can't
They can, but they are going to function a lot like sleep-deprived humans, struggling to stay awake.
> You would have to be old and really wanting(or needing) to do even be awake and thinking.
It's not that hard for vampires to stay awake. If i remember correctly it was a fairly easy humanity/Path roll to act each turn.
>>336157920
Hub like the first game keeps the form of the original, is less demanding on them and allows them to focus and make better what they do put in. Having a day/night cycle isn't a great idea because it has a period of game time where you just can't play or do anything or die, although it would make sewer traveling Nosferatus more viable to make up for the can't be seen by people deal. But overall hub is the way to go.
>>336167516
Well then, I'm wrong. Sorry for spreading misinfo.
>>336167516
>They can, but they are going to function a lot like sleep-deprived humans, struggling to stay awake.
Walking around in the sunlight is more like being on Venus's surface, not having missed your morning coffee
>>336167554
I said that they could put a save system that pass time like other games.
>>336167516
>>336167554
I could be interesting to have sections of the game you can only access if you have high humanity, the other option being using a ghoul to do it for you?
>>336167939
If you're just going to skip it every time why have it in the first place?
>>336167783
I'm talking about daytime, not walking in the direct sunlight. All vampires feel a need to fall into torpor when it's daytime.
But there are a few disciplines that let you survive short periods exposure to sunlight.
>>336167516
>They can
Fuck no they can't. This isn't Bram Stoker. They don't get "depowered" by the sun, they spontaneously combust.
>>336168057
Because it gives you a sense of time, for example you can stay until certain point and running in the sewers to get fast to your apartment, like Bully which let you stay until late but not too late.
>>336168171
Daytime is different from sunlight, no one is mad enough to suggest vampires walking in daylight(outside some extremely old and powerful ones).
>>336157324
Too bad Obsidian is a shit studio where good people die.
>>336168171
They can survive as long as its not direct sunlight.
>>336168309
The system in Bully was a good one, but it still can leave you in an unwinnable situation. In Bully if you don't make it home you get punished but no game over. Here you could have a save where you can't get home in time and the game can't be played anymore.
>>336168171
You're out near dawn on a few levels in VtMB
>>336168171
We are talking about daytime Anon, not direct sunglight.
But as I said a few times, there are disciplines that let vampires survive in the sun for short periods of time.
who wants concept art, or character art, or a few character cosplays
>>336168641
In VtM: Redemption theres an entire level in daylight. It sucks cause your party is constantly frenzying.
>>336168639
You can use a multiple save system like having quicksaves and checkpoints + one after you wake up so in case you fucked up your schedule replan it, or simply generate acces points so the only reason why you would day it's because you stayed in plain street when you knew you should be underground or in the way to your haven.
Ok /v/, Paradox has decided to take time with Vampire and put out another WoD game first as a test run. Which alternative to Vampire would you want?
A nWoD Geist game exploring the underworld, ghost NPCs, several levels first being the human world then progressive levels being the various deeper circles of the underworld.
A nWoD Changeling game where you are trying to survive and keep your head down from the true fae hunting you.
An oWoD or a nWoD Hunter game investigating events, preparing and then going after the said supernatural, where if you mess up the investigation you may prepare for the wrong creature and have to make do.
oWoD Werewolf with big fights and tough enemies and a pack social system.
>>336168756
I do, please dump something. I hate when VtM threads dies early.
>>336168171
You would be suprised what people have come up with to walk in direct sunlight.
One of the most common thing I've seen is Tzimisce using Vicissitude on their ghouls to sculpt a perfect copy of themselves and then possess them.
>>336169906
I we can't get Vampire i would go for Hunter
>>336157324
I met Grey Delisle. She was hyped that someone knew of Jeanette.
>>336169906
>nWoD
No thank you, not at all. oWoD Hunter game would be perfect, or maybe Mage.
>>336169942
Sure, VV tends to get a rise out of people.
>>336169906
Honestly? A WoD grand strat with a giant city and each building/district is a region. Call blood hunts, rise the ranks or live out as a Nos in the sewers. Could work so well.
>>336170208
>>336170330
>>336169906
Werewolf is about so much more than just the big fights anon.
Roll up a Theurge and open up an entire world of possibilities.
>>336170208
Geist and Changleling are great nWoD. And Mage would be almost impossible to do in a video game system.
>>336170448
Here's one of her face if you're into that kind of weird shit, and that's the set.
>>336170326
People don't seem to see that were a few open world games that were amazing at this, see the Godfather.
>Complete story missions to rank up
>Gain territory and earn money
>Buy new clothes to gain respect
>Buy new guns to conquer the other families houses
>Do side missions like killing important members of other families
>>336170174
Did she seem cool?
>>336157920
I would like to be able to take a break from the main storyline, and wander the underworld, search for side stories, POIs, lore, and feed off of randoms, and club sluts, but I don't want a full-on GTA experience--that's not really necessary. Part of the setting and atmosphere is about being closed in, and confined to the survival imperative of city life. Too much free roaming might actually hurt the atmosphere of the game.
>>336170518
Sadly all my werewolf experience has been people going I want to kill shit and do big damage in fight. Tell me more of werewolf. It's the "roll" playing game for the people I know.
>>336157324
How many times are you going to make this thread?
>>336157324
>It's happening, isn't it?
wow yeah great, i can't wait to play Vampire: The Triggering - Diversity. it'll be so great playing a pangender transblack demiqueer PoC who uses xir pronouns as all of the other landwhale vampires fight the patriarchy
obsidian has been a sjw dev for a while now, cdpr was our last hope but they'll probably cater to the sjw crowd with cyberpunk so i wouldn't get my hopes up
>>336170958
We just want to be happy in our delusions
>>336170864
If your werewolf game isn't taking place in the Umbra you're doing it really, really wrong.
My group recently went back in time to help restore one of the dead tribes. That's the kind of open-ness that Werewolf can offer.
>>336171083
pretty much this
>>336157920
Vampire is a social game so an open world is pointless. Vampires don't wander wastelands, they intermingle with people.
>>336171083
Nice memes
>>336170958
If you don't like it why you are here having other threads to shitpost?
>>336171298
>Vampires don't wander wastelands
Caine did :^)
>>336171298
That's why it's not open world but open city. As in the whole world is a city and maybe a bit of the surrounding countryside. Give it layers like sewers and verticality and you got yourself a great game.
>>336171298
>Vampires don't wander wastelands, they intermingle with people.
Not gangrels.
>>336170864
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbra_(World_of_Darkness)#Arcadia
Changelings say that their home country is a place called Arcadia, a now unreachable place of pure dream deep within the Dreaming (Dream Umbra). Faeries, they assert, are the dreams of humanity made manifest, and Arcadia is the heart of those dreams. The facts, however, are difficult to determine (a) because changelings, by definition, are not 'true' faeries, but a sort of faerie/human hybrid adapted to dealing with the mortal world and (b) because Arcadia itself has been impossible to reach or even detect for a very long time (fae scholars mark the Black Plague as the first moments of the Shattering, the process by which Arcadia broke away from Earth's Dreaming).
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbra_(World_of_Darkness)#Flux
A realm of constant creation and raw power, Flux appears to exist in many places at once. Its reflection in the Spiritual Umbra (also called Flux, as well as The Radiance) pulses with the energies of the Wyld. Pangaea is said to be touched by Flux, accounting for the realm's uncontrollable nature. Charybdis, a swirling vortex in the Deep Umbra, is said to absorb the detritus of the universe and 'recycle' it back into Flux. Given the Wyld's inconstant nature, however, concrete locations associated with Flux are few; more commonly, the energies of Flux pass over an area, causing rapid change and general chaos, then move on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUN_deqYEqc
Thoughts on this?
>>336171083
Learn more about the Lore, even the old stuff have some SJW things.
>>336171298
Depends on the clan, but they do wander wastelands and dominate them. The amazon for instance has one of the most powerful vampires living there.
>>336171298
Toreador and Ventrue gtfo please
>>336171494
He said Vampires, plural. We're allowed one.
>>336171298
Yes but there is a limit on how much you can intermingle in a small limited space, in open worlds that limit is bigger, obviously if you make it good, because if you don't you end with something like GTA V, open and lifeless
>>336171663
I hope it's good.
I expect Life is Vampire, 6 hours of story and invisible walls.
>>336171609
Gangrels are really, really fucking careful about it even then. Mostly they wander in stealthy animal forms so that they don't get attacked by the other supernatural entities in the WoD.
A few Nosferatu and Gangrel have pacts with Werewolves, but not enough to suggest they won't be exterminated on sight.
>>336171663
meh, enough to at least try it
>>336157324
What's the risk of getting a shitty isometric rpg? I don't think obsidian could pull off a good one like requiem was. But it's like new vegas with vampires i would love it.
>>336171950
>shitty isometric rpg
I'd argue that games like Baldur Gate and Planescape:Torment look aesthetically better than most modern RPGs
>>336171782
More like "Remember Me: Male lead edition". At least the french aren't as prude as murricans so we might get some neat stuff.
>>336170671
Yeah. Best part about meeting her was her enthusiasm for meeting fans. Plus while I waited Richard Horvitz was stationed right next to her so they'd have banter as billy and mandy.
>>336158507
The whole first part of the game isn't a small part.
It would be nice if Obsidian could revisit Alpha Protocol, have actual HR/VtmB style hubs this time.
>>336162891
>mfw he pronounced his own name correctly in his german accent
Why were the VAs so top tier in that game?
>>336171787
>A few Nosferatu and Gangrel have pacts with Werewolves
They don't, they are just good at avoiding them.
Werewolves are attacking vampires on sight because they unknowingly serve their arch nemesis.
>>336157920
Hubs should be used more often.
>>336157920
Open world but with severe restrictions, like going full gta should only be possible in rural areas an stuff life that, while in the main city violating the masquerade would mean death. It would also be cool if you could start in a different place depending on your clan, like in the forest for gangrel, city for ventrue, sewers for nosferatus etc.
>>336157324
Honestly don't think I really want Mitsoda on the Bloodlines game, if his wife's change in attitude is anything to judge his own views on.
>>336172151
I said A FEW.
Vampires are capable of being aware of the nature of the Wyrm. That alone makes them valuable allies to werewolves considering they can essentially come and go as they please among other wyrm-tainted creatures.
Unlike the vast majority of Wyrmish enemies faced by Werewolves, Vampires are capable of reason and logic. The problem is that some Vampires are so powerful that you can't really just let them wander about as they please. Which is why they've been more or less corralled into cities.
The number of successful breaches Vamps have made in the world against the Garou nation as a whole hold only a handful of notable instances. Russia and Egypt are examples, along with a few other Mediterranean countries.
Outside of the old world Vampires have nothing like the resources or the power they'd need to pose a significant threat.
>>336161237
It's just that nobody liked LaCroix, but the more reasonable vampires where pretty ok with the camarilla, even Strauss.
>>336172664
>only a handful of notable instances. Russia and Egypt are examples, along with a few other Mediterranean countries.
Tell us of these examples. Sounds like interesting lore.
>>336172712
The Sherrif liked LaCroix
>>336172870
>He didn't even gave a fuck when you kill Sheriff first before entering Lacroix chamber.
Such is the life of poor Sheriff, died for a fucker who didn't gave a fuck about him.
Post more jeanette pls
>>336173246
>>336171663
the best part of wod is the lore. this doesn't have it
>>336173246
>>336173412
>>336173246
>>336173412
>>336173542>clipping
Somehow every time I replay this game I discover new things.
I only recently found out about Heather.
>>336173718
The clipping doesn't bother me as much as thelifelessexpression on her face. She should be looking bored or grinning seductively, not trying to remember where she is.
>>336173718
Whats the name of that Toreador who can only feed through sex? I remember him being pretty old and powerful, and that he worked a bit as a porn star.
>>336173795
What? It's a pretty linear game, man.
I can understand missing Heather the first time around if you're rushing through though.
>>336172664
But the second tenet of the Litany says
>Combat the Wyrm Wherever it Dwells and Whenever it Breeds
>Combat the Wyrm Wherever it Dwells and Whenever it Breeds
So how are they allowed to spare those few vampires?
![vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7RXAdyE.jpg "vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines[1].jpg")
>>336157920
I think it has to be city hubs.
In the lore of Vampire the Masquerade and Requiem- it says that vampires are mostly limited to being in cities, werewolves roam the countryside and kill vampires, and the city is where all their human blood prey live.
You can't have an open world like Skyrim, because you will find yourself in some forest far away from civilization. Daylight is about to break and you cannot find shelter in a few hours. There are no other humans for miles and you cannot drink blood.
>We will never get another game like Bloodlines thanks to modern video-game politics
>>336174078
I missed Pisha the first time around.
That hospital looked inaccessible.
>>336173795
I know the feeling. Found out on my last run that if you throw the severed head through the basketball hoop at the murder scene Downtown a cheering crowd can be heard in the background.
>>336172812
Egypt was just about the only time the Vampires made a serious assault on the Garou, and a successful one at that. Through dark ritual the great Antediluvian Sutekh uttered on his death a terrible curse against the tribe of the Silent Striders.
Effectively banished from their homeland, the Silent Striders lost much favour and grace in the wider Garou nation, while the Followers of Sutekh, later to be known as the Followers of Set, gained ground and solidified their hold on the ancient Silent Strider domain. Since then the tribe has faced trial and tribulation owing to their nomadic nature.
To the North, those Stygians known as the Leeches, or the Tzimisce became embroiled in a war with the Shadow Lords. Neither side could truly overcome the other unfortunately, certainly not to the extent the Silent Striders had the Followers of Sutekh.
The Shadow Lord's true threat came from the Nosferatu Methuselah known as Baba Yaga, a creature of immense power and guile. Her power was such that she was able to wrest two Caerns - locations of immense spiritual and communal significance to garou - from the Shadow Lords BY FORCE.
Ultimately though Baba Yaga succumbed to internal politics, as is typical of Vampires. It may even be that the Shadow Lords - suspicious and shrewd as they are - learned from the mistake of the Silent Striders, and their methods show in their actions.
The Shadow Lords more than any other tribe are most adept at turning the machinations of the Wyrm against itself. However, their deceptiveness and unwillingness to lead by example makes them poor leaders of the Garou nation - a position they are greedily circling the weakened Silver Fang tribe to take over from.
>>336157920
HUB.
Fuck your open world shit
>>336174097
Some tribes have a more flexible understanding of the Litany than others. It would not be far fetched for the Bone Gnawer tribe to take an interest in a Gangrel Fledgling, even.
>you will never be a vampire
;_/
>>336174608
I think the one lesson to take away from VtM is that you almost definitely don't want to be a vampire
>>336157920
considering the themes of VtMB, city hubs make the most sense. I also don't think a real day/night cycle would work, as people would just hit the sewers or their apartment and time skip the day away. maybe they could occasionally do a timed mission where you're racing the sunrise to complete it.
>>336174779
I would definetly want to be embraced as an old man close to death.
Think about it, most of your good days are already over so you don't really lose all that much and get to be immortal.
>>336158307
>>336158369
>not saving both
>>336175185
I'd rather get embraced now that live forever with an old body.
Why the fuck would anyone want a day night cycle in a vampire game? oh boy, now I have to go home and sleep before dawn. This is so fun and not tedious shit at all.
>>336175220
>spending so many points on seduction
What's the point
>>336175284
Doesn't make any difference what body you have as a vampire, you get supernatural power and don't feel shit either way.
>>336175310
Some vampires can deal with going out during the day. Excessive amounts of fortitude, obtenebration, auspex, dominate, animalism or others enable a Vampire to experience daytime or even alter the flow of time.
>>336174120
Even better if lorewise, the areas outside of the city get more and more dangerous for vampires.
>>336175487
Are these vampires one of the core clans using basic clan features that would make it into a fucking adaptation?
>>336175331
Persuasion actually and you still need to use certain dialogues options. Just heavily invest in Academics, getting three(or was it four?) should be enough.
>>336173718
the damsel sfm is better
>>336162891
>no option to be a mage
>no straight up mage game
I wish VtMB had been more popular so we could get games for all the WW properties.
>>336175892
isn't it the one where she's a gaper? nah
>>336175750
Fortitude is universal to all vampires. Anyone of sufficient generation may have the power to survive at least a few hours of day. Auspex permits astral projection from the comfort of your coffin.
Dominate allows you to possess humans, and more importantly Ghouls. Animalism offers a similar power but with animals.
Obtenebration is a Sabbat discipline, but at it's ultimate level you can literally block out the sun.
There are options. And besides - just because it's day doesn't mean you can't explore the Nosferatu underworld.
>>336157324
>jeanette_cleavage.jpg
Always have to stop what I'm doing to fap to those boobs.
God damn it.
>>336175892
I want Damsel to forcibly fuck me
>>336175992
no, its the one where she__________http://rule34hentai.net/image/154171http://rule34hentai.net/image/147583
>>336157920
Metal Gear Phantom Pain sized open world with dense areas like Deus Ez:HR
>>336176237
>was expecting Jeanette
I'm mad.
>>336176096
>not fapping to those panties
>>336176750
Why are you confusing what I should be fapping to! This is already a tense situation...
>>336176237
well this got me to check out the VtM tag on paheal at least, there's actually some half decent shit in there for once. It's amazing how little nsfw content there is for a game like this
>>336162871
>mfw I get celerity on gangrel and just attack for 5 minutes straight
>>336163070
>read nothing about the game
>venture melee/stealth/speech to start
Fucking a. I couldn't even use guns after that.
>second play through
>malk spellcaster
Was good, but I missed melee...
>>336177324
Gangrel is straight up the most powerful clan in game. Only one able to learn more than three discipline.
>>336177867
>>malk spellcaster
How?
>go to watch a stream
>first time playing guys
>malkavian
>shit load of texture changes
>model swapped to jeannette
>vaping all over
W H Y
H
Y
>>336165030
>tfw your defenses are so high these things don't hurt you at all
>>336170208
>hates superior nwod
Fuck off Masq-nigger.
>>336168756
ayy
>>336178328
Yeah, sure it have a less convoluted rule system, but the lore and the charm is simply shit. The covenants are just bad and the whole thing feel more as a generic horror game than a vampire one.
>>336174251
>internal politics
She was killed by a niktuku. I'm pretty sure papa Absimiliard doesn't dabble in politics
>>336177169
You have depressingly, depressingly low standards.
>>336178328
nWOD is utter shit. That's why they've spent every year since bringing back oWoD.
NWoD got rid of every bit of lore and replaced it with nothing, and got rid of Generation, which was the core mechanic that the game's entire theme was built on.
People joke about OWoD being Xmen in capes, but that's literally what NWoD is. If you like NWoD you should hang yourself.
>>336178328
Lore is shit and shallow but so was cWoD's lore in its early years. However, covenants are just fucking boring and blatantly an attempt to streamline everything.
>>336176018
Don't forget you can merge with animals with protean
>>336157920
Hub-based, open world games are just empty boring shit more often than not and VTM:B had great hubs.
>>336178526
Fucking wrong cwod gutter slime. Theres nothing charming about having a clan for every ethnic stereotype and an everything but the kitchen sink approach. Only a dumb Masq-nigger like yourself parroting /tg/ opinions from 8 years ago in the middle of 1e release would try to claim Masq was superior at anything except having more retarded bloodlines (True Brujah) and numerous demonic slash satanist clans.
>>336178007
I dunno, Gangrel can get really strong with celerity but the 5th level is just absurd
>>336178684
> getting diablerized by other vampires doesn't count as internal politics.
Riiiight.
>>336178981
And you are parroting current /tg/ opinions. Please remove yourself from /v/.
>>336178981
I think a lot of the oWoD favoritism around here is because most people have played the video games and not the tabletop. At least that's how it is for me and I prefer the older cheesey shit to nWoD's stuff but I haven't read a huge amount of it anyway. Hunter does seem much better in nWoD though
>>336178704
>and got rid of Generation, which was the core mechanic that the game's entire theme was built on.
nWoD would make for a better video game though, simply because you can have a somewhat normal RPG progression without breaking the lore or having to explain why your character goes from fledgeling to crazy levels of power in the span of 2 days.
>>336179089
I mean, it's more genocide than politics
>>336179221
I play Blood and Smoke on the regular and my last v20 game was 6 months ago.
Nwod is superior in literally every way.
Fuck off back to when livejournal was relevant if you want to dicksuck Masquerade so much since you dont actually play or know anything about tabletop.
>>336179456
A lot of people, me included, like the NWOD system more, but the OWOD lore more. The NWOD system is a lot more user friendly. The rules are easier to understand and aren't spread out over a lot of books.
>>336178007
Sorry i meant tremere. I suck dicks
>>336178704
>and replaced it with nothing
Okay so you never actually read any of the material? Great glad to hear that, it makes it a lot easier to completely disregard your opinion.
>>336179456
>nWoD fan shits up a perfectly good thread
typical. nobody likes nWod here, there's no fucking lore to get your teeth into and there's much less customising. there's a reason why in recent years WW has gone back to cWoD shit. you aren't going to find anybody here who thinks VtM is shit. fuck off.
>>336179232
It literally does not. OWoD has the concept of questgivers and being subservient to NPCs built in. oWoD has the fact that there are people who you will never be better than as a core mechanic.
NWoD is for speshul snowflakes who think they deserve a chance to be the strongest
>>336179456
Objectively false. There's a reason OWoD is still iconic and NWoD is an irrelevant footnote nobody wants to touch.
>>336179979
There is, thats partially why /tg/ like it more(there's new stuff to discuss and speculate). But it's not as interesting as WoD.
>>336179979
If youre going to just bullshit your way through this conversation while you clutch your pearls over VtM be my guest but youre wrong and Im going to tell you youre wrong.
Your lore includes Samuel Haight, abominations, vampire Himmler, space mirrors, and time stopping secret conspirator Brujah. If this is what you like and what youre proud of then you ought to guzzle all the drano in your house.
>>336179881
The NWoD lore is L I T E R A L L Y a bunch of random suggestions because grognards couldn't deal with OWoD having an overarching plot.
>>336180197
Yes, the reason is dumb knuckledraggers like yourself with literally no concept of WoD play (questgivers? Like in an MMO you fucking moron?) sperged out so hard over the "NOT MUH VAMPIRE" that it killed sales for white wolf for years. People like you are literally the reason a company like CCP could buy and sit on the property for the better part of a decade. Of course they went back to V20 - you shitters killed the company and its all they have left to sell.
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Ok, listnen up. I've been ISOLATED for way too long. I haven't played VtMB for a few years now. Are there any unofficial patches/mods worth checking out? Tell me /v/, because I don't want to crawl again.
>>336180917
Unofficial patch 9.5 just came out of beta, Make sure to install the plus patch as well since it contains additional missions.
>>336180384
Somebody should make a bingo card of what a nWoD fag will say because "But Samuel Haight!" will always be a point they think is smart to come out with.
VtM really is a product of its time, it's very 90's "goth" in nature and that leads to shit like Haight which back then was considered the shit. Now for one point, Haight is undoubtedly the worst of it, nobody EVER defends Haight anymore, he's just not cool now. Another point, you've mentioned a grand old five fucking things, I know that's probably the total of interesting lore tidbits that nWoD has but cWoD is very, very expansive so there's bound to be a variation in quality.
>>336178061
I saw that one too. I may not be good at much but at least I know how to stream that game.
>>336157920
Hubs.
The Hub system works. The areas all felt great and were packed with enough stuff to keep them entertaining.
Open world would feel bloated and empty compared to it.
I'm gonna use a shitty food analogy because I'm a huge faggot.
Imagine two dishes, both have the same ingredients and chef.
But one is huge, the other being relatively small.
Of course the bigger one looks better at first but when you take a bite, it's more bland because the ingredients had to be spread out over a wider surface.
>>336180384
And your lore includes ____________.
>>336180234
SOME fags on /tg/ like it more because they don't think anybody should be able to tell them what to do. It's the same reason they hate Promethean: they don't think games should be about things, they think they should be sandboxes for then to be superheroes in.
It's pretty telling that nWoD popped up as soon as society started embracing the Participation Trophy ideal. You're the star, you can bootstrap your ways over Vampires older and stronger than you, and vampires have to take a nap so that they become weak enough for the PCs to murderhobo for easy EXP.
Plus let's replace all the clans people like with other shit, and all the new clans are Toreador variants. Oh and Nosferatu can be "terrifyingly beautiful" now because nobody needs to be ugly :(
>>336179979
This is the funniest part. They're reissuing cWoD stuff because everyone hated nWoD. They even use updated mechanics! There are literally no reasons to play nWoD other than bad taste.
>mfw the new library quest additions
the new areas are cool but the fucking grammar/wording on the notes is atrocious. I could do so much better
And the fucking fight too. He's an old Lasombra but uses an uzi and no obtenebration
His VA/mic quality/writing is also garbage
come the fuck on wesp
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Bmt6HOf.jpg "latest[1].png")
so shitty, yet so comfy
>>336180762
>NWoD shitter doesn't know that all games have questgivers
are you literally brain damaged?
What am I saying, of course you are.
Should I stream Bloodlines? Got like 7 hours to kill and I'm fucking bored, could go for some VtM talk.
>>336181472
It's not really shitty, it looks fine other than the bed The desk has character, it was left outside to rust.
>not having covers on your bed
what kind of heathen practice is this
>>336180762
>waaaah people should buy literal garbage because I have bad taste
>>336181724
sure, I'm not doing anything else and I've never seen somebody else play it, I might pick something up
>>336158025
This. Give me fucking either, as long as it's a good game I couldn't give a shit
>>336181149
The problem with open world is that it needs to be dobe properly in order to be good.
I think Gothic has the best semi-open world in any RPG I ever played. The world is not Bethesda-tier big, but it's pretty spacious but more importantly it's fully handcrafted, detailed as fuck and full of unique locations.
>>336181087
Almost every oWoD defender and nWoD hater never has any points outside vampire and I'm pretty sure never played anything outside that. nWoD has some great books Hunter, Changeling and Geist are all better in nWoD than the oWoD versions.
>>336181724
Sure thing bro. If you go I will follow, throught the cracks and hollows.
>>336181724
ayy go for it man
just finished up a decent gangrel playthrough yesterday
I'll jump in about 25ish minutes
Considering how Sawyer is actively killing is on company, no, it isn't happening.
>>336181394
>It's the same reason they hate Promethean
But Promethian is new not old. Wouldn't newod fags like Promethian?
>>336182189
Again, Sawyer will ruin it by sperging out when he doesn't get his way.
Such is the way of the codexfag.
>>336181850
>>336181997
>>336182047
Ok heres the channel namesometimesatom
>>336182130
Nope, they hate it. Not everything in Nwod is bad, and Promethean was pretty good. The problem is that Promethean was a game about personal discovery and finding humanity, which they don't like because there's a goal. You're not allowed to be a superhero edgelord because the core conceit of a Promethean is becoming human. You don't get to stay special; you're trying to become normal. They hate that.
NWoDfags also made the writers fuck up Changeling because it was "problematic"
>>336182785
Do you play anything other than VtMB? Also play as femToreador.
>>336182974
Funny, /tg/ hate VtM because they think it's too edgy.
>>336182974
>Not everything in Nwod is bad, and Promethean was pretty good
Agreed. Nice to hear Promethian get some love.
>NWoDfags also made the writers fuck up Changeling because it was "problematic"
What do you mean? New Changeling was pretty good. Or are you saying new Changeling was good but then fans forced writers to do something recently that made it bad?
>>336181940
>new Geist
>new Changeling
>better than Old
slash your wrists immediately please
Guys,I just reinstalled the game. Haven't played it in YEARS. What essential patches do I need for some fun?
>>336183350
Definitely get the UOP.
Should probably get the plus patch.
Maybe, if you're desperate, get the CQM, but it'll only work with a slightly older version of the UOP/plus patch.
>>336183276
Wasn't Wraith literally made to destroy friendships and ruin groups?
>>336181087
>its a product of its time
If we're making bingo cards then make this the owod shitter free space.
>>336183350
Only wesp5. He just released a new version.
