The great debate.
fuck all 3 of the main factions, if one mailman can fuck over all three of them in the course of a month or so then they have no business ruling Vegas
Thematically anarchy is the only right answer since each other leadership model is based on prewar thinking.
Gameplay wise they're all exactly the fucking same except for Legion which is objectively the worst because it's unfinished.
anything other than yes man is retarded
for house you're just a tool to get what he wants
>>336145561
This, all factions are lead by cucks anyways
I pray that someday we can get a remake of NV in a better engine with all the improvements to the Legion/The Strip that they had wanted and better gameplay
I know it's never going to happen though
The great debate.
>>336146604
OWB>DM>>>>>>HH>LR
>>336146604
DM > OWB >> LR > HH
Though I do like all of them, LR was bogged down with godawful Creative Writing 101 bullshit and HH was straight up bland. Not even interesting shit happened in it.
>>336146816
Good taste
>not choosing the ending based on the personality and beliefs of the character you're playing
Wow, maybe ROLEPLAYING games aren't for you guys.
>NCR is corrupt and inefficient
>Legion will crumble after Caesar's death
>House is just using you as a tool to increase his power
Yes man will always be the best
>>336147227
>not having a general opinion on something that isn't influenced by a fictionalized personality you've shat out for a blank slate video game character
And maybe thinking isn't for you, you autist.
>>336146604
OWB>HH>LR>DM
I should clarify this, DM could easily be the top DLC but one thing absolutely ruins it, the collar mechanic.
OFFICAL POWER RANKING LIST
1. Yes Man
2. Mr. House
3. Ceaser Salad Legion
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999. Shit
1000. New Commiefornia Republic of Queers
>>336146604
DM>OWB>>>>LR>=HH
Fuck HH, one great character can't save an overall shitty DLC.
there should have been an option to nuke vegas and walk off into the sunset. i often find myself starting new characters before i finish the main quest because it's hard to care about what happens to vegas.
>>336147227
Role playing games don't exist anymore. There are only shooters and sword fighting games with stats and "choices".
>>336147424
>Why are you ROLEPLAYING in a ROLEPLAYING GAME?
>Why are you SHOOTING in a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER?
>Why are you STRATEGIZING in a STRATEGY GAME?
dude begin again lmaoI was impressed by how that acted as a major theme across the game and the DLCs
>>336146604
HH>LR>OWB>DM for me.
The OWB rating is at least partially from when I did it underlevelled by mistake. PTSD from getting raped by robo-scorpions.
>>336145297
NCR is the only real option, although Yes Man is okay. House is just kind of strange, and the Legion are a bunch of chucklefucks that will burn out when they run out of people to rape and pillage.
So here is the big question, is Bethesda gonna have Obsidian do a game with the fallout 4 stuff?
>>336148486
>implying your opinion on which faction is best has to influence the way you roleplay
I've played Legion couriers, that doesn't mean I don't think the Legion is a retarded mess.
>>336148886
Probably not, considering the 84 metacritic fiasco and the fact that Bethesda seems intent on pretending New Vegas never actually happened.
>>336145561
That's unfair. They had all effectively fucked each other over before the courier does anything. He just decides which way things fall.
>>336147227
Fallout NV isn't an RPG, weeb faggot.
>>336145297
More recent debate
>>336149185
BoS
The other factions are, in order, superhero movie tier villains, retarded college liberals, and too incompetent to be of any actual use.
>>336149185
Railroad and Minutemen are delusional, BoS and Institute are Nazis.
>>336149185
Institute would be the obvious choice if the writing wasn't shit
>>336149185
It's basically the same debate, though.
Minutemen = Yes Man, fallback option where the player is in charge
Institute = Legion, hated by the average citizen, they do have something to offer but their tendency to do cartoonishly evil things sets them back
Brotherhood = House, well-organized but morally dubious, could probably run things smoothly but at a cost
Railroad = NCR, the "good guy" option full of well-meaning people marred by stupidity
>>336146816
That's about it
>>336149408
The Brotherhood would also be a good choice if they weren't written in to be stupidly irrational and stubborn.
>there are actually fucking retards what don't support the NCR
Bringing organized civilization to the wasteland is the greatest priority, all else is moot.
>>336149589
I AM organized civilization. NCR can support ME
>>336147816
Joshua Graham is fucking incredible but so is the Survivor's story.That shit made me shes a tear or two
>>336149589
Brahmin Barons and their cronies can stay off muh land
A *fbrrrp* chooses, a *spfrrrrrrrrsch* obeys
NCR is the best just by virtue of having good endings across the board. In the best possible NCR ending, the worst thing that happens to anyone who isn't a raider is the people in Goodsprings having to move somewhere else.
>>336148886
Bethesda is butt blasted by the fact that NV was better than Fallout 3 and 4 even if it NV was rushed.
>>336149823
not to mention it's the only case where the Followers aren't fucked
>>336149730
>I think I can finally do it. Blow my fucking brains out all over this goddamn cave.
>>336149185
Writing was made so everyone was shit.
>FO3 BoS was retardedly good, FO4 are angry shitheads for no good reason
>Institute wipes out settlements for no good reason when they could just negotiate info for water purifiers or something
>Railroad doesn't re-code freed synths so they don't become raiders before letting them go for no good reason at all
>Minutemen are completely useless until you arrive, even then it takes a long time for them to get their shit together
Did the writers try to shove in an anarchistic fight da powa we independent nao message?
>NCR is a flawed democracy with corruption problems, though you can steer it a bit and try to make peace with some factions hostile to it. The actual members are mostly okay people.
>Legion is a collective of literal slaver and rapist tribes who only follow a guy with terminal cancer, not an ideology and the only "heir" is the most objectively evil character in the game. Heavily implicated that Caesar's eventual death causes everything to break apart.
>House is an effective immortal dictator, though without Legion's no fun allowed mentality. However he is criticized by Ulysses as another "Old World Ghost" and House himself orders you to slaughter his enemies with zero leeway for negotiation, he even kills the Kings unless you lie and tell them to hate NCR. Ruthless as fuck.
>Independent Courier can make all characters and factions live happily ever after with the exception of perhaps Followers who only get their best ending with NCR. Unlike the other main factions which are criticized for clinging to old world ideals (USA, Rome, Vegas) that is the main theme throughout the entire game and all the DLC, anarchy is something "new" and fresh for the wasteland. You get all the toys House had, with almost zero downsides and can choose what to do with all the factions because you literally don't even need their support.
What does Ulysses (who is practically the writer's mouthpiece) even say if you visit him when you're doing Independent playthrough? I mean all the other major factions have their share of actual flaws, but Yes Man is completely devoid all of this, Independent doesn't even get a negative "rebuilding the new world in the image of old" comparison.
>>336146604
OWB>LR>HH>DM
Call me a casual all you want but DM wasn't fucking fun, it had good characters but was a boring chore to play
>walk 2 meters
>BEEP BEEP
>heads missing
>walk 2 meters
>"you are in posion gas!"
>didn't invest at all in melee and basic guns
>do no damage to the fucking ghosts because of the shit they give you
>accidentally fuck up the barter check with dean and he kills me
I mean I wanted to like it, but it had too many stupid things to keep me wanting to play it. Only reason I kept playing it was to turn on the cheat and steal all the fucking gold and bankrupt the wastes.
>>336149408
All I get out of that image is the guy is angry he's not being spoon-fed explanations for everything he has a question about
I am in no way saying the institute is written well, but you shouldn't expect everything to be explained to you just because you want to know.
That was one of my gripes with New Vegas, how lengthy explanations came up in conversation for pretty much everything, I'd ask about the town's water supply and receive a full history of the town dating back to before the war about who lived in the town and what their hobbies were.
>>336146604
OWB>DM>>>>>>>>>LR>HH
It would be HH>LR if not for the fucking mega cazadors spawning every 5 meters in Zion.
>>336149992
>no good reason to be angry shitheads
But anon they explain it, when lyons was extredited or died from the BoS maxson took over and being the grandson of the ORIGINAL founder of the california BoS he wanted to uphold the original brotherhood beliefs of technology and shit. They don't want a war thats not their problem they just want technology.
>>336149992
>>FO3 BoS was retardedly good, FO4 are angry shitheads for no good reason
With this one line of text you admit you've played neither game and that your opinion is invalid
>>336146025
I would rather get a new game desu
>>336145561
>ANARCHY MAN LMAO
>not picking yes man
ahahahahahah cucks
>>336150358
>FO3
>Fuck everything, let's become the good guys and give out free water to everyone even though we used to hate everyone that isn't BoS
>FO4
>Fuck everything, let's shake down wastelanders for supplies and develop a massive rageboner for synths and ghouls even though we didn't give a shit about them back then
>>336150632
In todays episode of /v/! Anon reveals he doesn't pay attention to fallout's story!
>>336150821
Go ahead, explain.
OH I GOT SPURS
>>336150976
that jingle jangle jingle
>not doing LR in riot gear
>>336150249
It's usually good to give the characters actual reasons for why they're doing what they do.
>>336146604
DM > OWB >>> HH >>>>> LR
This is OBJECTIVELY correct
>>336148890
It looks like you replied to the wrong person, friend.
>>336150249
>All I get out of that image is the guy is angry he's not being spoon-fed explanations for everything he has a question about
No, its not that the information is there within subtext, or hidden in a deep weave of story within the game itself. This is not a spoon that has to be worked for, this isn't even an empty spoon: an explanation found wanting or insufficient. This is a no-spoon situation, there is simply no consideration for basic plot elements. Paper-thin plot points that crumble to "I dunno" at the most weak of interrogations. The only thing thinner than the pretence of plot is the characterization of each faction. This is a spoonless game. THERE. IS. NO. SPOON.
>>336150358
>>336150821
>Forgetting the part where in the first game, the BoS tried to send you off to an irradiated shithole in order to kill you and stop bothering them in literally their first interaction with you
>>336150027
There is hte longstanding issue of Yes Man possibly becoming too assertive.
>tfw no expanded legion territory in game
>tfw no developing the camps in the game
>tfw no qt legion companion to bully
>tfw no conflict between companions due to disagreements
>tfw legion got cucked
me sad
I love Rome, so I originally picked Caesar. Was a bit disappointed. I have to say my favourite is basically no legion, but just yourself.
>>336151883
This is an old argument with no definitive victory either way. It boils down to whether you are capable or not of:
a) Trusting a robot that says it cannot lie, withhold information and resist orders and trust that it will remain so.
b)Trusting that nobody else will ever be able to abuse this, or that you would be able to "fix" the inherent problems of a) so that Yesman only says yes for you.
You either think this is a tenable situation or you don't. I don't at all but I can't really pretend that I know that distrust will be well founded. Also, you have to inherently trust each faction that may or may not be reliable too.
You have to hope the NCR won't end up sucking too much of its own corrupted cock to forget what the hell its trying to do and collapse in on itself in the time honoured tradition of 99% of democracies. You have to hope that when Kaiser Salad's brain the tribes don't either completely collapse into a wet sopping mess or go absolutely waaagghhh under Lanius. You have to hope that House actually is holding a royal flush and if he is: so what? That's one small city safe in a hostile wilderness that's slowly but surely waking up and working out what the fuck its doing.
So, while you're checking my four I encourage you to remember that no matter what choice you make: shits gon get real.
>>336150632
No you don't understand, you mad it EXTREMELY OBVIOUS you've never touched either game, you're just regurgitating things you heard on the internet with maybe some loose information off the wiki.
>>336150919
Not the guy you're replying to, but I'll do my best to explain, you really should at least pirate the games before you spout about them on the internet.
The western brotherhood(Fo3) have decided to take a new approach seeing as their old approach was failing, thus becoming the "good guys" as you say, when actually they're just trying to not have the world explode in their faces.
At the same time in Fo3, there is a group of outcast BoS members who still stick by the "head up their ass" approach that you're upset the main BoS wasn't following anymore.
In Fo4 the western brotherhood has been monitoring boston for a long time and have sent in three recon teams to check it out because they've been receiving massive energy readings from the area and want to stop it before it gets out of hand, they then find out that these synthetic beings are somehow connected to the energy readings and that they're replacing real humans which causes the "rageboner" for synths, so eventually after the recon teams don't get anywhere they send the whole fleet in and try to restore order to the commonwealth while also accomplishing their mission.
The western brotherhood considers all ghouls to be a threat because they can eventually go feral and attack people, which is why they also have a "rageboner" against ghouls
I hope I've enlightened you on things, any further questions I could possibly answer?
>>336151704
That's the eastern brotherhood and long before the events of Fallout 3
>>336145297
>Pick Legion
>Caesar dies
>Courier becomes his Augustus
>conquers all of the US
>Begins Pax Vegas
>brings in new age of art and technology
>rebuilds interstate road network
>empire lasts hundreds of years
>Pick NCR
>Another corrupt robber baron is elected
>people starve
>raiders kill people at borders
>borders slowly collapse
>government collapses
>chaos reigns
>Pick House
>tiny city stays self sufficient for a few hundred years
>nothing is accomplished
>Pick Yes Man
>Sentient AI spreads across the country
>compelled to obey literally everybody
>absolute chaos
>mankind is obliterated
>>336146604
Old-world blues
>>336152687
Naw man, it's cool. I kinda rushed the games so that's what I got about the story.
I was wrong and thought you were being retarded instead of me.
>>336152509
That's what I was trying to address. Yes Man has the inherent problem of "More assertive means he won't get used by someone else in the same way you used him" but could also mean "I'm in control now, fucker."
And if in some way, in some headcanon you prevented that: Then boom, someone else can control him.
>>336150027
>NCR description is accurate, but there's nothing out-of-place about saying a democracy is going to get weighed down by corruption and bureaucracy
>plenty of people tell you that life behind the Legion's front line is safe and stable
>House description is accurate, but, again, showing the realistic downsides to a dictator
>virtually every area in the independent ending laments how anarchy isn't as good as it looked like it would be
I think you're just seeing what you want to see.
>>336152924
>compelled to obey literally everybody
Yes Man's comment at the end of the game was in reference to updating himself so he only listens to you
>>336152687
You're so retarded you don't know the difference between East and West.
>>336151562
Actually, this is a molten metal with a spoon mold situation, the explanations are all there but you the player have to put it together using your own mind.
>>336152032
You're not implying that 18 months isn't enough to make an big open world RPG, are you?
>>336152924
Except once Caesar dies Lanius is next in the line of succession and we all can guess how well that'll turn out.
>>336153228
But the spoon mold is in fact not a spoon, but a flat piece of metal with no basin in it. Because they didn't know what they were fucking doing with the goddamn mold!
>>336153068
I agree, but you are using headcanon to defeat headcanon, and that's a fruitless pursuit. The only established thing about Yesman is that up until the end of the game: He does everything you tell him to do.
Some people assert that this wouldn't change and thus pick that ending confidently. Some people think that this isn't something to be trusted and don't. There is absolutely no proof either option is sensible.
in short: pick what you want, since frankly there doesn't seem to be a winning scenario option any god damned way. I mean look up in the thread with someone rationalizing a Roman victory into pax vegas. That could happen, it could all fucking happen. Who the fuck knows?
>>336152924
>Courier fixes everything that's fucked about the Legion
>Doesn't fix everything that's fucked about NCR
Nigga, at least be consistent.
>>336153204
yeah I really need to work on my directions, I always mix up west and east, but the important thing is you know what I'm saying
>>336153339
A few years of civil war followed by centuries of progress and peace when the Courier inevitably wins the throne. A retarded monkey could defeat Lanius at war.
>>336153228
I didn't realise the magnificent tailor for the Emperor was here. You do metalworking too? I bet your chainshirts are so fine, why my peasant eyes wouldn't even be able to see or feel the material.
>>336153358
Anon you're trying to turn my analogy around and it's not working, I'm still right
You just have to put some thought into things and the reasonings are clear
>>336153558
I only make the links, you have to put them together yourself.
>>336153531
>A retarded monkey could defeat Lanius at war.
Lanius' whole thing is that he's great at war and terrible at leadership.
>>336153695
Its pretty tricky when every loop is greased in bullshit.
>>336152032
>tfw Ulysses was suppose to be the legion companion but got cut and reused for DLC because Obsidian couldn't think of what to do with him in the base game.
>>336150249
I didn't play FO4 because I've heard the entire plot was FO3 levels of meaningless. I've had the entire game spoiled for me already, and it seems to back up those claims.
Can you explain to me what the Institute's motivations are for some of the things in that image?
>>336153306
The whole "18 months" thing origoninated from /v/ and has no real source
>>336153695
>You just have to put some thought into things and the reasonings are clear
The only reason would be that a cell-shifting virus got loose and everyone in the Institute got an extra chromosome.
>>336153695
Okay, then why was the Institute a bunch of cartoon villains who didn't understand the basic ideas of something such as simply negotiation? Why did they not bring the Sole Survivor with them when they were collecting untainted humans? Hell why not bring both parents?
>>336153882
He's shit at war. Without the courier to run things Lanius loses Hoover Dam 2: Electric Boogaloo.
>>336153957
Probably for the best since Ulysses wouldn't fit into the Mojave unless he was written to be less of an obtuse maniac with PTSD.
>>336153421
But thats the thing
The courier holds no power in the NCR
You fought a battle for them and they give you medal and send you on your merry way
Now the NCR is unopposed and they can go wild taxing everyone
Caesar says that after he takes Vegas The Legion will change and evolve to become more self sufficent
>>336150569
There is literally nothing wrong with smoking weed.
>>336145297
yes man=house>>>>NCR=legion
>>336154227
You do understand the Legion would have taxes on everything too, right?
Taxes aren't fucking bad, you edgy retard. All of society's modern development can be credited to taxes. And both sides are justified because they're developing nations.
>>336154337
There can't be a "literally" if there isn't a "figuratively".
>>336154191
>Ulysses wouldn't fit into the Mojave unless he was written to be less of an obtuse maniac with PTSD.
But almost every PC is an obtuse maniac with OCD. That's nearly the same.
>>336154079
JSawyer literally said that they got 18 months to make the game.
>>336153421
>>336154227
Yeah, it's a fundamentally different narrative. The NCR treats you like just another mercenary. Thanks for the help, now go away. The Legion is the sort of organization which a strong, intelligent man who Caesar trusts could, and would, go far.
Caesar respects the courier deeply, trusts him with personal secrets which could weaken him if the courier blabbed, and welcomes him into the fold. President Kimball literally doesn't even know who you are.
>>336145297
>not going with the legion
>Not kekking with the force of a thousand gods as the legion enslaves the entirety of the mojave.
>Not having literally thousands of sex slaves.
>not fist-bumping Caesar bro as you watch some starved women fight eachother to the death in an arena for the privilege of sucking your dick dry for the nutritients in your semen.
What are you? a faggot?
>>336154595
Taxes aren't a bad thing
Over taxation across California and Neveda with everyone being a farmer
But what happens if a wealthy Brahmin Baron wants your land (See Heck Gunderson) and has the NCR to back him
>>336154852
>watch some starved women fight eachother to the death in an arena for the privilege of sucking your dick dry for the nutritients in your semen.
This is the hottest fucking thing I have ever read.
>>336154852
>>336155101
It's all circumstantial. You see information implying Heck Gunderson wasn't well respected even in the NCR and they had better sources of money, and the complaints of "over-taxation" are very flimsy. The main complaints are from settlements who don't HAVE taxes unless you install the NCR.
>>336154076
>I didn't play FO4 because I've heard the entire plot was FO3 levels of meaningless. I've had the entire game spoiled for me already, and it seems to back up those claims.
You'd be pretty wrong about that, I'd say it's NV levels of meaningless.
>Can you explain to me what the Institute's motivations are for some of the things in that image?
The institute is kidnapping random people to both gain better footing in the wasteland and study it from a distance, often this leads to some people needing to be replaced in order to keep panic down as much as possible.
Synths are conscious thinking beings for the reasons stated above.
Robot Shaun exists because Father hoped to study a younger version of himself.
I haven't talked to Father enough to know the rest, but I assume that part is bullshit.
Anything else you'd like explained?
>>336154092
calm down
>>336154170
>then why was the Institute a bunch of cartoon villains
They weren't
>who didn't understand the basic ideas of something such as simply negotiation?
Because the vast majority of them have spent their whole lives underground among only each other.
>Why did they not bring the Sole Survivor with them when they were collecting untainted humans?
Because 1) You were still in the pod and 2) you were the backup as you would probably be a lot harder to control than a baby they could raise on their own.
>Hell why not bring both parents?
Ask that to Kellog who decided the best option was to shoot your spouse instead using his superior strength to pry the child from their arms.
>>336154597
>say the word weed in a post
>don't get bombarded with "DUDE WEED LMAO" and other shit
What did you guys do with the real /v/ users?
>>336155337
Not that guy, but I don't understand this meme.
Is it a negative response or a positive response?
>>336154191
Bethesda probably could have fit him in without him sticking out like a sore thumb.
>>336154680
Give me a source.
>>336156208
He's either using it wrong, or wants to fuck the Trump supporter.
>>336150342
If they wanted tech, why blow up the Institute?
>>336156054
>Anything else you'd like explained?
No, that's good. You've done enough.
>>336156475
The trump supporter being the guy talking about women sucking dick?
>>336156635
No nigga, the guy in the pic.
>>336156329
http://youtu.be/pbcCwfAstyQ
At 3:30 and forward
>debate
Yeah what a big debate when NCR is literally the only choice that an adult would pick.
>>336156997
He said "we made it in 18 months", not they they only had 18 months, in fact he seems kind of happy about it.
I prefer Fallout 3. To me, Fallout 3 represented a truly post-apocolyptic world. It was lawless, and you could be lawless. Sure, there were major factions that were attempting to bring law and order to the world, but, on the whole, Fallout 3 didn't have a society and you could do whatever you want (some may argue that different cities within the game could make up a "society," but I don't see it that way. There's too much open space and lawless lands to have a defined society). Fallout: New Vegas had a society, and had rules. You couldn't just go around and do whatever you wanted, because there was law and order and consequences. How is the world presented in New Vegas any different than modern society? There's working electricity, clean running water, mega cities that have their own economies. Crime may be high, but there are attempts by major factions to curtail this activity. Hell, there's even a major war going on between two highly advanced societies.
In short, I like to play Fallout 3 more because of the environment and given circumstances. You could do whatever you wanted, and no one really cared (as long as you didn't mess with the wrong people). New Vegas is riddled with consequences, and it's fine that that's the path that the game creators chose to take the game, but it's not necessarily my cup of tea.
>Not going independent
Literally fucking pleb tier.
>>336157406
Nice pasta, could've fooled me.
>>336157714
>lmao anarchy or dictatorship enforced by a robot army
Excellent choice my fucking retarded libertarian idiot.
Independent is fucking shit. Caesar or NCR are the best options for rebuilding the civilization and at least NCR isnt so fucking barbaric.
>>336157406
In hindsight, Fallout 3 is an okay game. It just fails in telling you why.
When I first talked to Hancock, he mentioned some sort of Coalition that was trying to form between all the small townships, such as Goodneighbor or The Rivet. But an outside organization came in and ruined the first meeting of this group.
This is pure conjecture on my part, but I believe if the meeting had been more successful, we might see some NCR type group take form on the East Coast.
It's possible that this is why the Talon Group was hired to cause Unrest in the Commonwealth, giving a viable reason why they do what they do. And, the Gunners may well be an extension of this mission.
>>336154337
DUDE
>>336145297
>RP a paladin
>Carry Bible from Honest Hearts wherever I go
>Use anti-mat rifle and bumper sword only
>Side with NCR
>Kill House and Caesar
>Let Benny live
>Convince Ulysses to stop the war, EDE deactivates nuke
>Side with Mobius and kill the Think Tank.
>Kill Legion assassin during Kimball's landing
>Take his spot and personally kill Kimball.
>Leave to go to Sierra Madre
>Side with Father Elijah
>End my journey by stopping what remains of the war with holograms.
>>336156054
>you would probably be a lot harder to control than a baby they could raise on their own.
>Literally just have to say "Hey buddy, world's nuked, your DNA is clean, mind coming with us so we can introduce your healthier genetics into the flock? You'd be alive, and probably a fucking living god to us too!"
>>336146604
OWB>LR>HH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DM
see: >>336150109
>>336160523
>quotes my post
>but somehow didn't read it
>>336160860
I did.
What you said still makes no sense. We're all fucking autistic adn still know how to better approach the goddamn situation than them. And they're the genius scientists!
>>336160956
3/10 because you had me going for a moment
>>336161194
>Point out actual logic
>Y-YOU'RE JUSTB AITING 3/10
Shut up, Todd.
>>336145297
>this thread
>>336161361
1/10 for trying to push it
Anyone can go back here >>336160523 and read your post, you directly quoted me and in the same post you asked a question that was already answered by what you quoted
>>336158589
>Side with Elijah
I'll take things that didn't happen for 100Would have been sweet if you could though
>>336147424
haha rekt
>>336161747
You can though, it just ends with a game over.
I think it requires 100 speech, barter, and science.
You get a slideshow about how you and Elijah take the Hologram projector and singlehandedly win the battle of Hoover Dam.Then you are forced to reload. I quit after that with the happy ending still in my mind.
>>336150109
This is how I felt the first time I played it. It's just so different from the rest of the game that it feels a bit out of place.
Some years later I replayed it, to see if it was really that bad, and I kind of "understood" it. I really got into it, and despite the story and great content from OWB and the amazing atmosphere from LR, it's probably my favourite DLC and I guess the best way to describe it with "oppresive" every single mechanic, from level design, to characters or enemies are all made with the goal of giving a sense of complete oppresion. And I think they nailed it completely.
Honest Hearts was just meh.And to answer the OP, Yes Man is best man
>>336158589
>>336161747
>New Vegas remade as Fallout 6 Because we all know it sure as hell isn't going to be 5
>Game is bigger and better, all DLCs integrated with the main game
>you can do things like side with Elijah and convince him you want to be his right hand man without the game ending
A man can dream
NCR is the path of stagnation.
Legion are barbarians.
House's promises are overblown.
Yes Man solves nothing.
I went with House, but I wish the game let me hold his feet to the fire post-game, instead of assuming I'll become complacent with life on the strip. No bitch, I can and will bust his old ass out of the cripple pod if he doesn't meet my demands and expectations adequately. In my mind, Vegas belonged to House, but House's ass belonged to ME. It's too bad the game only gives you two options: total submission or total rejection. Lame.
>>336161716
It isn't bait. I'm not talking about negotiation, I'm talking about asking someone to help.
>>336152924
>being LITERALLLY WRONG about house
have you even PLAYED his route?
>obsidiots
>>336145297
In game, Yes Man
But in real life, Mr. House is too valuable to the human race to betray. I couldn't bring myself to kill humanity's best hope of returning to former glory.
House:
>le science atheist fedoras
Yes Man:
>le anarchy xD fedoras
Caesar:
>le edgy fedoras
NCR:
>dumb amerilards
>>336145297
Fuck NCR
House has some merits but if he can get screwed over by 1 courier then he's not as brilliant as he's made out to be (maybe his brain deteriorated over time?), so fuck him.
Independent ending is decent but i'm not really cut out to lead a nation
Ceasar's legion knows how to treat women properly but all their combat tactics and equipment are dumb as fuck
So I dunno
No option seems good
Can we just kill everyone?
>>336164392
I prefer to believe that the Breakfast of Champions achievement is the canon ending. Eat 'em all, let God sort 'em out!
>>336162206
This honestly. I had much the same experience. I didn't actively dislike DM the first time I played it, but it was really out of place for me.
Last time I played it, it finally clicked for me. And now it's probably my favorite DLC of them.
That being said, I absolutely adore every one of them.Though OWB is probably my least favorite
>>336150109
To be fair Dean deserved to die
if his ego is so massive he attempts to kill me over having the audacity to suggest we treat eachother as equals he earned himself a shallow grave
Realistically House is the best longterm. Followed by NCR, followed by Caesar, followed by Yesman.
That's lastibility, by the way - not quality of life.
>>336165581
I'm not entirely sure House has more staying power than the NCR
the NCR has proven it has massive momentum and is capable of surviving poor leadership and while House for the moment is immortal he is one malfunction away from coughing his lungs out and he has absolutely zero plans for Vegas after he dies
>>336152924
>compelled to obey literally everybody
Except he changes his programming at the end to only obey the courier
>>336166057
Good point. NCR is slow as fuck but they are a behemoth.
>>336164392
Every faction can get screwed over by just 1 courier, that's what the Yes Man path is all about.
>>336146604
Despite the flack HH gets I found it kinda comfy
Yes Man is best choice.
Dead Money is best DLC.
>>336163683
Who cares about minor lore details in a game about unrealistic radioactive monsters and shooting?
The fucking voice acting in OWB gave me so much erections.
Even though I support the Legion I can't bring myself to hate the rangers and some higher ups
Hsu has potential and Hanlon has experience but both are pushed to the side in favor of Oliver who only got the position because he's friends with Kimball
The rangers are a lot more likeable compared to the "OUR ARMY'S GONNA COME AND KICK YOUR BUTT" troopers
The only time the NCR was truly great was when it was a psudeo-dictatorship
>>336146604
LR>OWB>HH>DM
>>336146604
DM>OWB>HH/LR
>>336148594
>3 dlc's worth of foreshadowing for a great battle at the divide
>all that mystery about who ulysses truly was
>get lonesome road
>he's just some buttmad legionbabby angsty because a community that built itself in a valley full of nuclear warheads got blown up
>worst case of Avellone mouthpiece syndrome since kreia
>10 in every special lol he's so cool and unique right guys
>the "epic battle" had literally no witnesses so there's no reason people would be talking about it
At least this time Avellone let you disagree with his self insert without looking like a dribbling retard, unlike kotor
>>336151883
The writers confirmed this was basically just him upgrading to ensure no one else can steal him from you like you did from benny
>>336169034
Inconsistency breaks suspension of disbelief quicker than fantasy does.
>>336165581
Yesman entirely depends on your character though.
The difference between a yesman ending with a 10 INT courier and a 1 INT courier would be astonishing
>>336151704
They gave you an "epic quest" to prove yourself. Literally anyone that had the means to travel the wastes should have known the dangers of the place unless they grew up in a Vault.
>>336171836
No, they literally tried to get you to fuck off by diving into somewhere that they know killed people IN POWER ARMOR while you're in usually at best some leather.
New Vegas sucked because they completely lack direction and just gave in to every 12 year old's wet dreams. They had absolutely no original ideas and just stole everything off mods and forums from fallout 3. Obsidian is a low quality developer with weaker writers and designers. All they did was fan service.
It's the fallout that players of 1 and 2 were waiting for but not the fallout players came to expect after playing 3. Unless you are a hardcore Fallout 1 and 2 fan and deeply invested in the lore, New Vegas ultimately is a disappointment.
>>336174043
But thats wrong you retard
NCR with Followers support is canonically the best overall result for the people of New Vegas.
>>336174979
but its too similar to modern society so edgy teenagers and retarded anarchists (woops thats redundant sorry) masturbate to their grimdark fantasies of living as a badass legionnaire under Caesar or living "free" under total anarchy despite the fact that you, living in FNV, would NOT be like the courier but just one of the infinite dead, nameless settler corpses you find in the wastes
>>336146604
DM > HH > OWB > LR
>>336174043
Fallout 4 sucked because they completely lack direction and just gave in to every 12 year old's wet dreams. They had absolutely no original ideas and just stole everything off mods and forums from Fallout 4. Bethesda is a low quality developer with weaker writers and designers. All they did was fan service.
It's the fallout that players of 1 and 2 weren't waiting for but instead for the fallout players came to expect after playing 3. Unless you are a child born in 1997, Fallout 4 ultimately is a disappointment.
>MFW The only companions who are okay with the Legion are Lily,Raul,Rex and EDE
NCR OR NAUGHT
>>336177791
no shit. living under the legion would fucking suck.
>>336174043
nice pasta
>>336146604
OWB > DM > HH > LR IMO
They all have their own strengths for sure
>>336154852
>mfw
>>336146604
OWB>DM>LR>HH
DM would be higher if not for me having a shit sense of direction and getting lost.
