What I think pristine servers would HAVE to have:
>no pay-to-boost to [10LevelsShortOfMax]
>no heirlooms
>no tokens
What I think pristine servers SHOULD have:
>further restriction on flying - it should either be taxi points only (with a few new stops added) or flying should be something exclusive for only thetop percent
>no cross-realm of any kind in any scenario ever
>nothing "carries over" between characters - your mounts/pets/toys/whatever only belong to the character that got them
What say you to this? Discuss pristine servers.
you think you want pristine servers, but you don't.
The idea is a silly and half-assed attempt at appeasment. Go the full mile or don't bother.
you forgot removal of the dungeon finder
>>336022975
No fuck off with this gay shit even Blizzard said there pretty sure we dont want that.
>>336022975
The only thing they there that they haven't said was the flying restriction.
Literally everything else was in the post they made.
>>336023112I genuinely don't think there's anything wrong with the dungeon finder as long as it's in-realm only.
>J-just use Nosts code Blizzard!!!
>>336023107
>Implying Blizz itself doesn't think it's a bad idea.
>>336023071
Best image i've ever seen, love the subtle details
As for pristine servers: they remove QoL changes without actually making the game good again. That's exactly what Blizz wants- it'll take 0 effort and the servers either succeed (so they open more) or they fail and people say "well it was a dumb idea, lol nostalgiafags btfo"
>>336023198
There is. You should journey to the dungeon to take it on, not just sit in your capital and teleport to dungeons over and over.
There would be no problem adding that group finder thing, where people can put up an ad saying "Looking for more people to do Scarlet Monastery"
>>336022975
I'd love a pristine server. Just a BC or WotLK pristine server.
>>336023323
This. Remove teleportation and the dungeon finder is good.
>>336022975
We /kosovo/ now?
>>336023323
>>336023371
LFG without the teleportation would be something, yes. OP should have had that in his list.
>>336023237
>Blizz picks up Nost code
>Polishes it and fixes what they need to
>Hires Nost to run it
Honestly I think it could work.
>>336022975
blizzard wont even appeal to twinks:
no xp and xp bg brackets are still seperate.
boa players are still going to 1 shot new players regardless.
they're not going to make legacy servers until the end of the expansion after legion, which will be the last expansion.
everyone will be old and moved on by then, and that's when blizzard will pull a subtle "i told you so"
shifty fuckers
>>336023291
>Best image i've ever seen, love the subtle details
It was originally comparing vanilla and retail, you fucking newfag.
>>336023330
There is no way they'd bother maintaining servers "stuck" on old expansions.
Not to mention they wouldn't get to try to sell you their NEWEST expansions either.
No, they're probably going to go current-expansions-but-pristine or no pristine at all.
I don't see a reason they'd bother with vanillafags.
>>336023459
> blizzard using emulator code
It would never ever happen. That's the most bullshit thing that blizzard could do. Even hiring high schoolers and teaching them how to do the actual vanilla code from scratch would be a better business option than using emulator code.
>>336023479
rip pre 3.0.8, rip real twinking
>>336023545
I'm sorry that I don't browse modern WoW threads? Lol I guess the original image caters to you
>>336023580
Why?
Nost worked fine for months on months. What the fuck is the issue with them just doing it officially?
>>336023071
>you're almost 30
>>336023728
No battle.net integration
>>336023739
>you are 30
>>336023816
How long are we here Anon? What if I hit 40 and I'm still shitposting with 16-year-olds?
>>336023790
They could just make it function as an overlay for the legacy servers, like steam works with its games
>>336023739
>you're turning 39 this year
>>336023728
Basing this as personal experience of working in a company and managing code and also to what a few technical support MVPs said on the official forums.
Battle.net integration wouldn't happen with emulator code. It just doesn't work like that. And even if they somehow shoehorned it it would be a gigantic security risk. How retail wow works and how private servers work are extremely different aswell. The code is nowhere near the same and it's fully reverse engineered to emulate it.
Do you faggots really need help understanding why this won't happen?
People play on Kronos, Feenix, Rebirth for FREE with an experience that may only be 5-10% worse than a Blizz vanilla server with all bugs fixed. These people leveled up already. do you really, genuinely believe any of these players will now move servers again, just to pay to play the same thing? NO.
The only way Blizz can win at this point is by doing something unique- vanilla, with slight updates/QOL changes that aren't controversial. Ex: equipment manager, queue for BGs anywhere, a dungeon finder that doesn't teleport you, etc.
They need to innovate their old content or it will fucking bomb.
End of story.
>>336023957
Still needs to use battle.net for login
>post yfw they announce nothing and Nostfags are once again BTFO
>>336023739
>tfw 27 a week ago
I'm scared.
daily reminder
nost jewed out
>asking the poorfag community for money
>people are surprised nobody steps up
>the "big streamer xD" who could pay the servers year cost with 1 days of donation does nothing
>>336023975
see
>>336023957
You don't need integration, just an extension of the battle.net app
>>336023976
Some players on nost had 100 days played on a server that was up less than a year
I think they'd be fine with playing more.
Why exactly do all MMOs these days need their own launchers?
Like, isn't it more immersive to double-click an icon and be dropped right into the in-game login screen?
>>336023935
>>336024083
>they'd be fine with PAYING at least $13 a month, despite the fact that they probably all moved on to the FREE versions like Kronos, Feenix, and Rebirth
Yup ok kiddo
>>336024007
>>336024154
Because they don't want their next 2400 hours spent on a game to disappear overnight again? Yeah, I think so.
>>336023976
normies are terrified of illegal shit bruh, that's all there is to it
>>336024228
This. It's the reason 1% of the population pirate and now 100%.
>>336024041
You know that you could go to the link they gave and see it was paid out for months, right?
Why do you keep reposting this?
>>336023976
This entire post is laughably wrong.
All Blizzard needs to do is remove Heirlooms, LFG/LFR, Flying and Garrisons and people will flock to it.
Nobody wants LFG you fucking autist. It ruined the game by allowing people to just sit in towns all day.
If you want a group, then fucking socialize you cretin.
>>336024273
*not
>>336024316
I want LFG.
I actually got bored of WoW during WoTLK before they implemented it
>>336024457
So play retail
you're wrong, by the way
>>336024457
LFG without teleportation. That's the key.
>>336024457
Retail sounds right up your alley if you want casualized shit to play.
You are the minority.
>>336022975
What's the fucking point if it's the same exact game? I only want to play a pristine server if there is additional exclusive raid/dungeon content
what about the talents? are they going to bring the old talent trees back or just keep the currents one?
>>336024586
Why? Legion will already have more raids and content.
People don't want pristine/legacy for MORE stuff but for the stuff that's already there to be more meaningful.
>>336024537
It's much more important that it's not cross-realm.
>>336022975
Why would I give a shit about pristine servers when I still have to play in a game world that's no fun to be in?
>>336024584
>>336024516
I do play retail
I also unsub when I finish content.
>>336024316
Are you talking about legion or pristine servers?
For pristine, even without heirlooms you can solo all content, and some tank/heal classes can even solo dungeons.
They would have to do more than simply remove QoL for it to be a fun experience, and even just making it harder you're still just basically doing a watered down ironman on the march to WoD. Still same shit new talent specs, etc.
I joined a "reroll without heirlooms" guild awhile back and it was laughably easy - nice guild but easily one of the most boring experiences in my entire life.
>>336024653
On the "pristine" servers they've talked about which aren't confirmed it'd be the new talent trees.
What Blizzard REALLY needs to do is make a completely new engine so that they can stop trying to make everything work on Warcraft III's engine. They're reached the graphical and coding limit with the updated models and Pandaren, and there's still a bunch of bugs and problems that they can never seem to fix because of using an almost two decade old engine for an MMO.
>>336024661
Not cross-realm AND not teleporting.
I'm telling you, letting LFG organize the groups for you is not an inherently bad idea.
Just don't let it do anything EXCEPT organize the group. However we're stepping into territory where Blizzard would need to put in and maintain two functional LFGs, so I don't think we should count on it.
>>336024757
that'd be effort, time and money, 3 things modern blizzard does not have the will to expend
>>336024757
You don't ever make "completely new engine"s. UE4 is still just an updated version of UE, idtech 6 or whatever the fuck they're on is still just a ton of incremental updates on top of the original, etc.. There is nothing a complete rewrite accomplishes that can't be done in patches.
>>336023323
>>There is. You should journey to the dungeon to take it on, not just sit in your capital and teleport to dungeons over and over.
I sure do fucking miss wasting 15 precious minutes just to travel from Orgrimmar to UBRS, with the possibility of being ganked en route.
You haven't played classic, faggot.
>>336024773
>no teleporting
Do you really want to wait half an hour while someone runs to Scarlet Monastery from Desolace? Especially when you're an Ally and have to run through Horde territory and vice versa?
>>336022975
Mounts and pets between characters is one of my favorite things I've added, I love having all my favorite pets and mounts on whatever character I want to play.
>>336024929
Well yeah, part of the journey is getting there.
Perhaps we have to group up and be clever about it, but it makes the accomplishment so much more rewarding.
So yeah, totally.
>>336024929
If you don't want to deal with it then don't do SM on alliance.
>>336024929
Yes I do. I dealt with shit like that in vanilla and BC, and I can continue dealing with it now.
It's not an issue.
>>336025054
Well good for you, NEET #92834.
>>336024892
You' think Blizzard would be doing that if it's so easy.
>>336025105
>Normie faggot wants the game streamlined to cater for him having no time to do anything.
Pottery.
>>336025174
I'd rather spend the time running another piece of CONTENT instead of wasting it traveling there, autisto.
>>336025171
You mean like they have been?
Guys.
Which expansion made monsters pitifully weak?
Which expansion made spells mana costs be so small that you could never run out of mana even if you tried?
Basically, which expansion ruined the fucking game?
>>336025267
They have? And they've reached the limit for graphics and coding with it, they even admitted it back when they were making the updated models. There's nowhere else to go but with a new engine.
>>336024894
Yeah, I have, and yes, that is better than sitting in orgrimmar and waiting for a timer to tick down.
Where's your sense of adventure? Or were you just so bad that you were never able to win when alliance scumbags came down the road and started a fight?
>>336025237
>"I actively enjoy the game being dead"
>"What's that? The world is dead? Nobody leaves towns anymore? Not my problem, as long as I can sit in Org and teleport everywhere I'm happy"
People like you are why world pvp is dead.
Dont want PRISTINE want fucking legacy oyy. Pristine are too little too late.
>>336025391
>caring about pvp in a pve-oriented game
>>336025383
Not an argument.
>>336025278
It started in WotLK and the finishing blow was struck in Cataclysm.
In WotLK when cross-realm dungeon finder was added many casuals who had never done heroics before started doing them. Everyone else outgeared the heroics but still did them, so they easily carried the casuals through. When Cataclysm came out, the heroics were properly tuned and no one outgeared them enough to carry the casuals, so it was a straight up fucking anal apocalypse as literal millions of retards could no longer easily blaze through dungeons. After that, Blizzard started nerfing everything to cater to these players, so that all sub-heroic raiding(mythic today) would be as easy as if you overgeared regardless of your gear level.
>>336025373
>the limit for graphics and coding
There is no such thing. If they were to make a "new engine", the first thing they would do would be to copy hundreds of thousands of lines of code from the last one. There is no reason to rewrite their fucking Lua parser or some shit like that because they want to add new graphical effects. If they want better graphics, they'll rewrite the graphical component of the engine, it doesn't require them to scrap everything.
>>336025278
I'd say WoTLK was where it began, and by Cata it was ruined.
>>336025516
>It started in WotLK
Why the fuck does everybody praise WoTLK then? Holy fucking shit.
Going from BC (When I last played) to WoD, this change is disgusting.
I'm running around killing monsters 8 levels higher than me. I don't mean 1 at a time either, I can pull multiple of them and still not die.
I remember when accidentally pulling more than one monster was an ordeal, you had to actually pop some of your big cooldowns to survive.
>>336025278
They made the world stupidly easy when Zul'aman dropped. Making a ton of mobs that were elite non-elite and reducing xp needed between 20 and 60 as well as greatly increasing quest xp between 30 and 60.
One of the biggest mistakes they made other than LFD and not shutting down gearscore fags.
>>336025785
WotLK was the height of Wow's popularity, it's when most of the people commenting on it played, and they don't want to admit they played shit content.
>>336025105
I'm older than all of you, have a job and faggoty fat kids, and was able to deal with all of the inconvenience on nost by not being a fucking shitter. I played as efficiently as I could since I didn't have a lot of time and found a guild who had raid times I could make without fucking my life up.
Getting to a dungeon without being ganked is easy and you can't be serious. Vanilla wasn't even tough compared to other mmos when it came out.
I always read that it's the generation that grew up with WoW and has life responsibilites that demand QoL/convenience features, but I firmly believe its you cancerous meme-generation shitters that can't gitgud for once in your horrible lives.
>>336025785
Because the old content is easier and faster to let you get to the new content sooner. Don't worry, once you reach WoD you'll start getting proper raped trying to kill more than one target your level at a time.
>>336025785
Wrath had some other issues but the main complaints were from late wrath, which then carried over and were finalized in cata.
Been some great raids since then but leveling content and heroics have been piss easy since the tougher cata heroics got super nerfed.
>>336025949
Running across the world to get to the dungeons was fun and exciting the first twenty times I did it. After that it was just a tedious chore, especially when other party members would leave or you get kicked for taking too long or you keep geting ganked on the way there.
>>336025785
Because Ulduar is one of the GOAT raids. You're pretty much objectively wrong if it isn't in your top 3.
>>336026016
>once you reach WoD you'll start getting proper raped trying to kill more than one target your level at a time
negative, draenor leveling is trivial as well. Tedious but not even sure that counts since it's so fast, even at WoD launch. Not even counting potential heirloom bonuses, potions, etc.
>>336026206
Ulduar was THE best raid... too bad Blizzard blew it by releasing that stupid colosseum thing too soon and gimping all the gear / reason to run it
>>336026452
Trial of the Crusader was the most dipshit raid ever, even the reason for it existing.
>Hey guys, let's have all of our warriors fight each other to the death to see who will go fight the Lich King!
>nostalgiafags wanting Blizzard to waste their time on outdated servers only a few ten thousand would pay to play on
Fucking retards.
>>336027121
HC Jaraxxus, valkyrs and anub'arak were great bossfights though, just placed in a shitty context.
in order for pristine servers to actually mimic the things that drew people to private vanilla servers, they'd need to do more than just cut random QoL stuff from the game. They'd need to
>Completely remove LFR/Dungeon Finder from the game
>Remove Heirlooms
>scale quest mobs so they don't die in one hit and can actually do damage to the player, and give elite status back to mobs that had it stripped to incentivise group questing.
>remove all instances of Cross Realm or phasing (at least what they can without breaking Cata/MoP/WoD questing)
>remove most BoA gear, mounts, and achievements (although toys can stay BoA)
>Bring back the vanilla mount system (learn first at level 40, second at level 60, Flying in Outland at 70, Wrath at 80, no flying in Azeroth until 85, etc...)
there's probably more that could be done as well, but that's all i could think of right now
>>336025383
I hope they offer these realms just so I can roll a rogue and camp people like you all day.
Nothing I liked more than turning the playsessions for small-dicked tryhards like you from a 1hr dungeon plan into a 5 hr corpse run.
Your party loved it too.
If this is what you call a "sense of adventure" (broken user experience), you have no right to ask anything of any developer. You lack the mental capacity to hold an opinion of value.
>die in brd
>7 minute walk back to dungeon
>then walking through the dungeon
whew what a time to be alive
>>336028292
I wouldn't blame the game if I was so bad it took me 4 hours to run to a dungeon.
>>336027998
In order for it to be anything like Vanilla, it wil have to have everything Vanilla had and nothing from BC onwards.
-all classes and specs horribly imbalanced with several being useless
>ranks for spells, skills, and abilities
>have to buy ammo and poisons and regeants
>elemental resistance required
>no Shaman for Alliance or Paladin for Horde
>several zones completely void of quests
etc etc
>>336028403
>get punished for failing
oh the humanity
>>336027859
lol'ed
>>336027998
>>Bring back the vanilla mount system (learn first at level 40, second at level 60, Flying in Outland at 70, Wrath at 80, no flying in Azeroth until 85, etc...)
>Flying
>Ever
No, fuck off. Flying should be removed period.
>>336029810
flight is the only way this game got my pleb bux
>>336029810
You can't complete BC without flying.
>>336029810
This faggot right here.
>captcha STOP
>>336030015
>>336030257
>>336030464
>Casual faggots think their opinion matters
Oh am I laffin.
Retail is where you belong, not the promised lands that are the Pristine realms.
>>336030685
>"""pristine""" ever a thing to begin with
>unironically thinking """leveling""" matters
PFFT
F
F
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>>336030685
If the content is designed for flying mounts, of course you must have flying mounts. There is no place for flying mounts in MOP, WOD or Legion, but in Outlands you need a flying mount at level 70 because you can't access the daily locations or TK without them. If you had played back then you would understand.
>>336022975
Literally nobody wants this. I've been saying from the very beginning that if blizz tried legacy servers they'd fuck it up, and it looks like they're about to completely fuck it up by doing something they think is "better"
>>336031361
I want it because it's still an improvement to the game as incremental it may be, and it's the first step towards actual legacy realms. People who think Blizzard will use old server versions are dumb, it was always going to be current versions of the game modified to emulate the old versions because they're not going to backport thousands of fixes to both the client and servers, that's not even remotely a scalable approach.
>>336028403
>dying in BRD
>>336030796
Spotted the underage.
>or flying should be something exclusive for only the top percent
Absolute garbage
>nothing "carries over" between characters - your mounts/pets/toys/whatever only belong to the character that got them
This is like the single change that I like from neo-WoW. Why the fuck would you want to make a person grind rep on multiple characters for a mount or have to farm for a drop mount multiple times?
>>336031985
Spotted the Pandasperm.
>>336032072
Because your Night Elf hunter shouldn't be riding around on a mount your Orc shaman earned.
>>336031879
I'll agree with you that its definitely a step in the right direction, and the part where they are in discussion with the devs of nost is promising, but I really dont think anyone who doesnt already play is going to care. The majority of people who quit aren't going to come back to these pristine realms.
>>336030685
>promised land
You're acorrect person.
>>336027998
>there's probably more that could be done as well
Much more. For example, they'd need to redesign every instanced dungeon. Eight now they're short linear dungeons devoid of any challenge, so 5 random people can complete them.
I watched that faggot (sodapoppin?) get to level 100 in a few hours the other day.
The only dungeon that gave them issues so they had to slow down in was Dire Maul.
Never actually ran that dungeon, but it seems pretty good. Especially if Blizzard didn't really casualize the fuck out of it.Maybe they did though and it actually used to be harder, who knows.
>>336032732
For him to level up that fast he needed to spend about 300k gold in potions, use recruit a friend which would cost minimum 50 dollars, full heirlooms which costs probably 50k
>>336032732
The DM wings weren't even difficult at 60. You just had to be careful not to pull agro or fear things into packs of other mobs. Tribute runs were kind of annoying because there was more stuff you had to avoid, but still not really "difficult".
Getting into dire maul in a timely fashion without being killed 30 times by the opposite faction was the most difficult part of dire maul.
>>336032732
It used to be harder because skills now are much stronger than back then. To get a challenge near what it was like in vanilla, your character pretty much must be naked. Kungen did MC with 40 level 60 guys not that long ago and they were all naked with level 1 weapons and still crushing most stuff, and those players were fucking bad at the game.
the entire content would have to be retuned for pristine servers, what would be the point of pristine servers if raid-tier gear is handed out like candy and 5 man dungeons aren't worth doing more than once or twice? who cares about slowing leveling down when even without heirlooms it might take 2 days of playing to level through an entire expansion? the only thing I can see it really benefiting is raiding and maybe pvp communities
>>336032732
>watching streamers
Pristine is better than legacy and I am not trolling. Only a very small camp of Nost/Vanilla supporters claim that its the content of Vanilla that drives their cause. The vast majority claim the issue is the game's lack of communication and cooperation over a period of expansions. Removing LFG, LFR, boosts, and CRZ is a step in the right direction in getting people back to forming server communities and being out in the world. The content in terms of raids and dungeons has only gotten better each expansion, and to develop and limit a server only to one would be ridiculous past a year or so. What they need to do is tighten down the restrictions on pristine realms further and systematically encourage ad hoc partying (like they do with auto grouping world quests).
>>336035046
Pristine end game is still standing in your garrison 99.9% of the time. It's not better at all.
>>336035305
not come legion :)
>>336022975
>WoD content
>pristine
>>336035454
Yeah, you'll be standing in your class hall instead. Probably phased out so you don't see other players anyway.
>>336035046
I'd say the success of pristine servers relies on how good legion is.
If they try to roll out WoD pristine servers their forums will riot.
If legion is actually good then I can see it having a chance.
I'd still prefer vanilla/BC/wotlk because I miss the old talent system, actually interesting classes, and a non cata azeroth.
>>336035305
Why do you guys keep linking this to Warlords? This stuff isn't gonna be out for months if even this year. Garrisons will just be something you pass right by for all future characters and ignore forever. No, the mission board in order halls are not garrisons. Theres no buildings to level, no farming/mining, no work orders, limited quantity of followers, longer missions, and most of which send you out into the world. What it looks to be is that you'll just assign them over the course of 30 seconds each day then leave. Its your choice if you choose to stay in there for whatever reason, since the timers are vastly longer.
