Why the fuck don't RPG's use ATB anymore?
>>335993572
Because the only series that actually uses ATB is final fantasy
>>335993572
Final Fantasy is a fucking awful series.
How can you guys enjoy this trash?
>>335993572
The ATB is copyrighted by SE, and they don't like it anymore.
>>335993901
you can copyright that?? i feel like that would be copyrighting a power up system like mario
>>335993572
because it sucked even back then. turn>ATB shit.
>>335993965
You can patent whatever the fuck you wanna patent, anon
>>335993649
>>335993572
Because it is an outdated system
>>335993965
No
It is definitely not copyrighted
>>335993819
STFU Razorfist.
>>335993976
>>335994061
What's wrong with ATB? It at least rewards you for quick decision making and inputs, while most fights in turn based JRPGs are by using the same tactic over and over
>>335994061
there you go anon
http://www.google.com.mx/patents/US5390937
>>335993572
because square copyrighted it
When you combine the worst aspect of turn base and real time action game, you have ATB
>>335993649
the first game to use ATB wasnt even a final fantasy game you fucking casual
>>335993572
Because it's the shit middle child between turn-based and action.
>>335994493
That's pretty accurate actually.
>>335993572
Am I the only one who hates atb? Its slow, boring, tries to give the illusion of interactivity but fails, and was made obsolete with turn based RPGs and action RPGs like sword of mana.
I legitametely couldn't bear ff after 3 because I just don't enjoy atb. That's why I prefer DQ.
Only game I pushed through it with was chrono trigger, which I still never beat.
>>335994757
>it's slow
there's a speed setting you know
>>335994757
Play FFX-2, the combat was amazing. FFX had the best turn based, FFX-2 had the best ATB.
>>335994902
The ATB in FFX-2 was pretty chaotic
>>335994830
I still prefer how I can just not have to worry about bars filling up in turn based. There's no point to atb.
Its useless and only mechanically bogs down the game.
>>335993572
Because animations got so long-winded that it was only slightly different from regular turn-based combat?
>>335993572
Idk, I like to set the speed to the highest value and on active, most regular enemies drain my resources and boss fights can get pretty tense
also, pic related is my favourite battle system that uses ATB
>>335993572
Because FFIV, FFV, and Grandia were literally the only games to use it correctly and people want to learn from stupid games like Final Fantasy VII?
>>335995745
but FFVI already had a better battle system because it let you skip turns
you want to use your healer when you really need him and don't want to waste a turn on defending?
Just skip his turn
>>335995718
I couldn't figure out how to get out of the first canyon. Was there some secret passage?
ATB is absolute garbage.
>>335995909
>but FFVI already had a better battle system because it let you skip turns
Which means jack shit compared to FFVI ruining ATB and enabling some of the most abusive exploits in any FF by not pausing the fucking ATB meters while animations are going.
>>335995990
it's been a while, but it probably has something to do with using your blank magnus
not helpful, but I don't remember getting stuck there
Action RPGs are the natural extension of ATB. Old JRPGs compromised for tech limitations.
If devs want turn based now they just use turn based, like Legend of Heroes or Atelier, and if they want action they do action, like Final Fantasy XV.
That being said Setsuna is using ATB, so there ya go.
>>335996035
FFVII did that, didn't it?
I remember seeing a crossed out cursor when I tried to do anything during an attack animation
>>335993572
What's up grandpa
>>335996147
...
Action rpgs are OLDER then turn based rpgs you fucking retard.
They went for turn based because it was closer to actual D&D gameplay then simple action NOT because they were limited.
Stop propogating that lie you idiot.
>>335996245
FFVII would switch between pausing the ATB and not pausing it at the drop of the hat, but just like FFVI, enemies can queue attacks while animations are going so speed is a gimp stat unless you're exploiting the game with the wait trick.
Because kids want to mindlessly mash buttons and have the game reward them with long animations that are supposed to make them feel like a living god instead of actually having to think about combat strategically.
>>335994338
At the beginning of the game everyone is sitting around waiting for their bars to fill up. Then, by the end of the game, everyone's bar is always full and everyone is in a queue waiting for animations to finish - and as a bonus the player loses sense of who will be going next unless they are actively trying to keep up with what the queue might be.
>>335996297
this
turn based and its variations like ATB exist in order to let the player have control over multiple party members
action RPGs are fine if there are no party members involved, but as soon as they are, so is some sort of A.I. system and the game goes down the shitter
I don't want some NPCs cutting into my play time
>>335996528
The last time an ATB game had you think about anything was FFV.
>>335996528
Yeah I'm glad ATB is dead too.
>>335996528
It's really down to how many times and which button you have to press for that reward.
That's all.
We are discussing why certain gameplay mechanics have been left to the side, and I honestly have no idea why ATB was pushed out in favor of ridiculous quasi action games.
>>335993572
Someone decided that no one likes it anymore.
>>335994017
He shouldve been the final boss, fuck that retarded butterfly.
>>335994520
What's her name?
Don't the current 3DS JRPGs have this system?
>>335993965
You can't copyright but you can patent it.
The name ATB and the way it works ARE patented by Squeenix.
>>335997760
Yeah, and a good chunk of the mobile jrpgs.
Which is why last and current gen JRPGS shat the bed.
>>335997541
I'd like to know this too
everywhere I look FFIV is listed as the first game to use ATB
>>335994974
>turn based
Turn Based makes it so enemy will NEVER attack you until you finish your turn, it's casual as fuck.
ATB is all about making your actions quick enough so that enemy doesn't sucker punch you to death.
>>335998202
If twitch is so important, why not play a real action game then? Why not take it to the extreme and play Ninja Gaiden Black instead?
>>335996657
>ATB is dead
It's not though.
Setsuna is using it.
>>335997854
So nobody can ever make another similar to ATB system again? How can you flex the system with that vague ass patent?
>>335998256
>Twitch
ATB is not about twitch though, it's a compromise between turn based casual and full on action ADHD.
>>335998292
That vague ass patent means Squeenix can basically sue anyone.
And yes, it means you can't really make an ATB game unless you work for Squeenix.
>>335995718
oh yeah, one other thing I like about ATB FFs is that running away from battles (R1+L1) is a relatively painless and quick affair
>>335993572
Because:
1. ATB is garbage and a turn based system with delay timers is far better
2. ATB is patented
>>335993572
ATB is garbage
>>335998359
ATB isn't remotely action-based. It's just playing a game of speed chess where your opponent isn't timed. It's made to give the illusion of speed or action when it's actually slower than a turn-based system can be.
>>335999707
>turn based system with delay timers
sounds interesting, which games use this system?
>>335999813
>It's made to give the illusion of speed or action when it's actually slower than a turn-based system can be.
this
holy shit i hate ATB, only game that did it right was Parasite Eve because at least you could actively control the player character and dodge stuff while the bar was filling up
>>335999882
FFX, Trails, Atelier, that LOTR FFX reskin. Grandia has a system that's sort of a halfway point between that and ATB, but unlike ATB it actually uses the time aspect meaningfully instead of being a turn-based system with a timer slapped on.
>>336000163
>FFX
Oh right, I thought that system was called conditional turn based system.
really underused too, I only see something similar in SRPGs
Games like this work when they're either turn-based or action-based.
Every time anyone's tried to mix those two, it's turned into a disaster.
The only notable example is the Grandia series and pause-based games.
>tfw there will be never another game with this kind of turn based system
>>336002489
wasn't this pretty much "hideo kojima: the card game"?
>>336002807
It's a turn based SRPG card game with some MGS rules. That means the moves you can make are based on the cards you have, played on a grid like map where line of sight and stealth mattered (getting seen makes the game send more soldiers into the map every turn).
>>336003004
oh i was just saying that because i heard there's a LOT of references to other kojima games in the cards
i wish i got to play it but ppsspp pisses me off
>>335993965
You can patent just about anything. For awhile WoW had patented how in game mailing works.
The reason this shit works is because the government has no idea how technology works. So long as the paperwork is in order and you pay the fines you'll get the patent. Although now a days they are getting better.
>>336003062
Oh, you're right then. It has boktai cards, policenauts cards, zoe cards, etc. Mostly metal gear cards though, from all of it, even the 2d games (yes including the gameboy ones).
