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Indie crash incoming
>>335954648
>Indie crash incoming
Steam refunds is great.
Good, fuck Indie shit
>>335956443
refunds are seriously probably the main reason this happens
>>335954648
>AAA is shit
>indie is shit
Eh, doesn't matter either way. Industry is fucked until casuals leave the market which could never happen.
>make game maker rpg with pixel art
>waaaaahhhhh baaawwwwwwww why are people not buying my game
>>335954648
>crash
Video games are not the stock market. They do not "crash"
dumbass
As a fan of indie games I'm not mad about this at all. Game industry becoming less profitable and more niche is a good thing. However, I feel bad La-mulana 2 won't be super successful.
>>335957708
Are you fucking retarded?
Games crash all the time.
>>335957708
video games are a market
any market can crash
remember the subprime mortgage bubble?
that was a crash in the housing market
learn things before you talk
steam sales that aren't top sellers are trending down because the PC market is spreading out over multiple platforms, as it should be in a healthy market.
Humble bundle's rise, GoG's introducing gated Early Access, EA's been agressively moving their stuff over to origin, and a whole lot of options for indies to self publish and sell directly through their site have popped up. Those are just the most visible ones, there's shit-tonnes of other platforms.
Aren't people actually buying the good indie games though
I'm not going to say I didn't drop Stardew Valley after the first in-game year but I still got 58 hours out of it
>>335958434
That's exactly what OP's article is saying. Shitty indie games aren't free money anymore.
Why is steam's search so amazingly fucking bad
>6000 indie titles
>No way to exclude things with the "indie tag" from search and see everything else
Bye bye Tumblrwhale!
>indie games are dying
>Factorio
>Enter the Gungeon
>Hyper Light Drifter
The vast majority of indie games are utter shit but to say there's none that are successful right now is stupid.
>>335958852
Enter the Gungeon sucks.
>>335957704
Because it worked for Undertale
>>335958587
They want you to find as many titles as possible in their search because research indicates more inclusive searches lead to a higher likelihood you will buy something. You don't think companies exclude basic search functionality just because they're retarded do you?
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/percentage-of-us-homes-with-game-console-drops-for/1100-6439360/
Enjoy the death, /v/.
>65 percent of households reported owning a device that can play games. This is down from 2015, when the survey said "four out of five" (80 percent) of homes own a device used to play games.
>Women aged 18 or older accounted for a larger percentage of the game-playing population (31 percent) than boys 18 or younger (17 percent)
What exactly are boyos doing? Taking up stamp collecting or instagram rather than vidya?
>>335958892
>It's not Binding of Isaac so I think it sucks and is awful :(
Fuck off neo-/v/
>>335957708
>I don't know about the Great Video Game Crash of the 80's
>>335958921
Undertale was actually a good game though.
You can say the pixel art is lazy but the music's great.
>>335959053
niggers are taking over, so they are out committing crimes and getting women pregnant instead of staying inside and playing games
>>335958971
Well steam is kind of retarded when it comes to functionality, so I thought it was a 50/50 chance.
Still they should see that at a point more inclusive searches should decrease sales. Since I can't narrow what I'm looking for down at all I haven't bought shit from the steam store in ages, where as I used to do it all the time when they had the old search and a much smaller library.
>>335954648
I doubt it
Retards eat up every terrible Retro/2d/Pixel/Roguelike/procedurally generated piece of crap the corrupt gaming media feeds them.
>>335959076
the crash was mostly western only, plus it was when one company decided to stake the entire corporation on a holiday season and Pac-Man/ET.
>>335959053
I will, Cant wait till gaming dies and I can get a new hobby.
>>335959146
As someone who grew up in a shitty ghetto that was 95% nignogs, I have to tell you you're way off. They all play video games.
Its too easy to get games on steam now.
There use to be more barriers, so only the good shit would be on steam. I remember I used to check the "new on steam" tab when it still existed on the front page, there were always cool things.
Anyone can get their shitty programming class project onto the marketplace now, because they think shit that is worse than newgrounds flash games is going to sell well for real money.
>>335958587
>want to check if some cool game is on sale
>sort by relevance, reviews (unpopular games with low number of rev always come out first), metacritic score
I've missed on some great deals because of this. The store should have way more intuitive search options.
>>335959290
That's bullshit though, the majority of indies completely fail, even pixel shit.
>>335959403
They don't have metacritic search anymore do they? I thought they transitioned to "Steam review" and how many of them are positive vs negative. Which is dog shit because steam fags are complete retards most of the time. It's not all bad of course, because a really low rated game is almost garenteed to be shit, if even steam fags hate something you know it's bad, but still.
>>335959053
That report is pure bullshit. 95% of households in 2016 have several devices that play games.
With all the shit going on in modern gaming, I looked to a savior, a company I could trust. I knew I couldn't trust Nintendo with their censorship, amiibo scams and region locking shit, or MS who tried to destroy physical games and make everything cloud based, and now I know I can't trust Sony due to them scamming people with the PS4 when they have an upgrade waiting 3 years after launch. And of course Steam has always been a scam since it's all DRM protected because they own the rights to "your" games.
But in the wake of this I know who to trust, who actually has my best interests at heart. But you'll have to let me explain because it sounds deranged. Denuvo. Because they don't want me to buy a new console a year or two after I buy a PS4 and "keep gaming" or to buy cloud connected game to "keep gaming" or to buy amiibos so I can unlock on disc DLC and "keep gaming" with compromised, censored games.
No, Denuvo just doesn't want me to play games at all. Because when Denuvo is on a game--I can't play it, full stop. Since Steam is not an option, a game using Denuvo merely means I won't be able to play that game. They don't ask anything more. There's no lower quality compromise like an old PS4 or a 360 arcade. There's no scam they're running. They want me to go outside, to be free, to frolic in the hinterlands. They whisper in my ear "go read a book," or "go watch anime," they whisper to me of the joy that can be had outside the gaming madhouse. And when all PC games use Denuvo, that will be the day I am truly free. I'm not kidding. This is how bad it has gotten. The only salvation is an end to video games.
ah Japanese told me about this -- capitalism
>>335959592
Says who? You?
>>335959053
This makes me wonder how many people own a PS4 or an XB1 and just use it for Netflix etc. and have no idea it's a video game console.
>>335959129
I never said it was bad, in fact it's one of my favorite games ever
I'm just saying it's probably inspired thousands of indie devs to waste time developing a game that no one will want to play
>>335959053
18-65 is a bigger range than 18 and younger. You start playing games around 5 or so but aren't a wider market force until 12 or 13. Shitty journalism
>>335959771
Can you imagine a woman 18-65 playing video games? I can't.
>>335959594
I want the modern industry to be a nightmare I can wake up from. I want it to be 1998 again. Jesus, I'd settle for 2003 at this point.
PS4 / PSneo kills
Xbone / Sales kill
Wii U / Sales kill
Nintendo / mobile kills
Microsoft / Windows 10 kills
Sony / ??? kills
Video games are kill. All you need is kill.
>>335959753
Oh yea, probably.
Popularity brings in the rip offs. At least like 2-3 people tried to make porn game rip offs and I know at least 2 people in the fandom have started marketing their Alternate Universe Sans as original characters and selling them.
>>335959053
>girls are overpowering boys in games in terms of numbers
>this is a bad thing according to /v/
hopefully more otome games
>>335959053
Because it includes pretty much any browser game, console game, phone game, occasionally playing the Wii, etc. as a gamer, so naturally a huge portion of population is a "gamer." It only makes sense that by that logic that a massive demographic of females 18+ has more "gamers" than a much smaller demographic of males <18.
>Can't wait for the video game crash where all big asshole publisher/developer combos die out and leave, allowing a grassroots "by players for players" series of developers to just make good games on a limited budget without monetizing interference and need to appeal to a mass market!
>Can't wait for the video game market crash to bury all those indie-hippie fuckers who don't work hard and produce idealistic garbage that isn't very good. Finally they'll have to fuck off!
Both are common modal views on /v/, if not median views. Just what fucking video games are you hoping to get made when you're both wishing for the death of AAA+ and Indie developers simultaneously?
Just who are you hoping will make video games?
>>335957880
A indie crash would mean less niche games you idiot
>>335959861
... I'm a 26yo woman.. I play games. Not that hard to imagine
>>335959053
Do you realize that playing candy crush on a shitter counts as gaming for the purposes of such researches?
>>335959958
Are you the fuck who runs otomae friday?
>>335959996
>>335960028
Name this game.
>>335960024
No, an indie crash would mean less games in general. And with less games you have people who will be able to capitalize off of niche games. Aka more GOOD niche games
>>335960113
touhou game
>>335959996
I just want moderation. I want companies like Sony and Nintendo to stop rehashing Call of Duty and pokemon for the ten billionth time, with absolutely zero innovation or quality control at any point. I also want indie games to stop putting out low quality walking simulators with "le ebin retro" 8 bit pixel graphics.
>>335959053
Feminists are hunting down and destroying all male spaces they can sink their claws into. Is there no stopping them?
Not surprised
The only time i bother with indie games any more is when there is a large uproar about them.
>>335959983
But those aren't games
>>335960113
No idea, I hate chinese cartoon bullshit
>>335960203
>being thisbased
>>335959826
Maybe not how we play them but the "shItty casuals taking over" is nothing new.
The fact stands there is a much larger population 18 and above in a civilized country than 18 and below, especially when you consider half of the 18 below range doesn't really count
>>335960203
Steam players are adults. They don't have a lot of time for games. So they buy a game, play it a bit and then lose interest. They're essentially people transitioning out of gaming. That's why PC has so few big hits. The real passion of new blood is on consoles. Sure they're passionate for shit games, but at least they're passionate.
>>335960113
>>335960203
>exactly one minute apart
>>335960326
>>335960389
61 seconds
>>335960024
Not really, the amount of good quality indie stuff has more or less been the same for the last ten years, the increased indie monotization by steam has only increased the amount of crappy games getting sold.
>>335960490
there's a delay on a second so yes
>>335960113
You're a faggot. Knowing Doujin games can't reasonably be considered important or necessary
>>335960537
>61 seconds
>exactly one minute apart
I don't think you understand what exactly means.
>>335959826
my grandma (80yo) took my SNES to play Super Mario World
my mother used to play space invaders when i was kid
so i can easily
>>335959826
You're pretty odd, then.
>>335959290
No that's just a blinkered perspective because there are now some big indie games every year that get way more press and sales. Hypothetically it would be like if.
>2014
>Indie game 1: 100k
>Indie game 2: 100k
>Indie game 3: 200k
>Indie game 4: 100k
>Indie game 5: 100k
>Indie game 6: 100k
>Indie game 7: 100k
>Indie game 8: 100k
>Total : 900k
>2015
>Indie game 1: 50k
>Indie game 2: 50k
>Indie game 3: 400k
>Indie game 4: 50k
>Indie game 5: 50k
>Indie game 6: 50k
>Indie game 7: 50k
>Indie game 8: 50k
>Indie game 9: 50k
>Indie game 10:50k
>Total: 850k
There are more indie games, and one of them is getting more sales than others while the rest fall in a way that the overall sales end up lower. It creates the illusion that indie games are bigger when really the biggest indie games get bigger while the market itself shrinks overall.
>>335960608
You lived in a world so foreign from mine that it is unimaginable.
>>335960178
"Average gamer" means jack shit when 1% of Steam users buy 33% of the games, and 20% of Steam users buy 88% of the games. And even of those 20%, they only own 4 games on average (read: the popular normie games like CSGO, Dota2, TF2, garry's mod, skyrim, etc)
So basically devs are targeting only 1% of the Steam demographic (and Steam is already a niche of PC gaming to begin as less than 20% of PC gamers are on Steam)
>>335960708
>less than 20% of PC gamers are on Steam
............What.
Are you saying me, who boycotts steam and only plays pirated steam games and gog stuff am the majority and not the minority?
I blame indies for constantly shitting out garbage in hopes of becoming rich.
>>335960579
Playing good games is important, not that you would know.
>yfw uncreative hacks are getting BTFO
>yfw actual games are going to fill the market soon
>>335960857
I think he's suggesting that 88% of steam's sales go to 20% of it's users and the rest play casual trash without actually buying anything else.
>>335959996
What do I want? I just want VIDEO GAMES again. I want the cinematic garbage like Metal Gear, Firewatch, Bayonetta, Xenoblade, and Final Fantasy to stop being movies and start having more gameplay. The fact that I have to go through 10+ hours just to get to the gameplay is disgusting.
I also want pretentious games like Gone Home and TLOU and other privilege tumblr simulators to stop being so low quality. We need good, challenging video games again without pandering or gimmicks or garbage.
>>335959290
>Roguelike
I do eat up nearly every Rogue-like I see, lucky for me there aren't really any on steam because of the horrible misuse of the name for things that aren't like Rogue at all.
Goobergators need to leave this website.
>>335961070
That is what he initially suggested but then he goes into this:
> (and Steam is already a niche of PC gaming to begin as less than 20% of PC gamers are on Steam)
What I don't get is how the shit someone can PC game without either pirating everything or being on Steam
>>335960703
i got started playing at 3yo on my father's atari 2600
which my grandparents and mother used to play
i used to ask to my father to finish any game that i couldn't once in a while to just see how was the end game
but after some years only i kept playing
>>335961118
Wasn't fire watch the walking simulator in the foest.
>>335961118
>Plays RPG games and walking simulators
>Surprised when they are "cinematic" storydriven shit
Why though?
>>335961345
You first.
>>335954648
Good.
Too much Greenlight early access Kikestarter garbage.
>>335954648
>people learned that buying every shitty game that comes out is a mistake
I haven't bought a game on steam since like early 2015.
>>335960913
>Jap crap with big numbers and hour long attacks where you click through text while pixel shit character does a overly dramatic attack
>Good games
Lamo, play a real game you swine.
>>335961535
Like?
>>335959302
>the crash was mostly western only
Yeah no shit. The NES and Master system didn't even exist when it happened.
>>335961535
Sounds like somebody couldn't beat Yuuka. Then again I am a God, what can you do against a god?
>>335954648
>tfw indies will never truly die off
>they'll just move their operations to consoles until it's viable enough to come back to PC
Fucking roaches. Maybe when California sinks into the ocean we'll see like 80% of indie developers disappear.
>>335961554
Not RPG stats crap or epic anime shit that's for sure. Play something with real game design in it, like a deep strategy game, or a game that involves real physical skill like high tier fighting games or arena shooters or a shmup ( a real shmup, not 2hu fan games or 2hu on easy you elementary schooler).
>>335961835
You're a faggot autist
>>335961857
So you don't have any examples and are just shitposting, as expected.
>>335961857
High skill you say? C'mon, I'm waiting. A god awaits your challenge.
>>335961791
>Playing on Wait mode
>>335961791
Why did you heal when you were at 100% on a preemptive strike?
>>335961969
Tell me what you want specifically then, don't ask for a generic thing, and then cry when you get a generic answer.
>>335962004
A pretty good freeware platformer, but the only really hard stuff is hell or when you choose to limit yourself and do challenge runs.
>>335961917
t. Indie developer
>>335962182
Tell me a game you think is good.
Literally any game, doesn't even have to be recent.
>>335962329
Tetris.
>>335962380
Ok, tetris is a pretty good puzzle game.
Now, why do you think RPGs are bad?
I didn't actually fully read your post
>real physical skill
lol
>>335959053
>What exactly are boyos doing? Taking up stamp collecting or instagram rather than vidya?
Fucking your mum in the ass friendo ;3
>>335960857
800m+ PC gamers. 130m or so Steam users.
>Steam shovelware and propaganda games might finally be on their way out
Feels good.
>>335957164
The problem is not casuals but catering to casuals.
Force casuals to get to the level everyone else is because that is fun in itself
>>335962329
Super Mario Bros 3
Tony Hawks Skateboarding 2
>>335959996
Because there's a middle ground between AAA games with hundreds of devs that need to get millions of sales to even make a profit, and pretentious indie garbage made by two fags.
>>335962758
I'm kind of surprised I don't see battleblock called a reddit meme game since a fair amount of the focus is on comedy.
>>335962329
I'll give you multiple games.
>>335954648
pretty sure the actually decent indie games are still doing fine, so, good?
shit like Sunset was babbys-first-political-philosophy combined with zero gameplay and didn't warrant success, but on the flipside stuff like Papers, Please was good and was duly rewarded.
Greenlight killed whatever little quality control was already in-place
>>335962875
I don't remember much of 2013 but I've never heard of the winner.
Runner was good though.
>people still fucking responding to ACfag
>>335962515
RPGs are bad for a few reasons
One, they primarily are storytelling devices and not gameplay vehicles
Two, the majority of their gameplay is only weakly skill based, instead based off of static things like numbers. Most RPGs lift mechanics from table top games (usually DnD which has it's own mechanical problems) where random dice rolls and stat numbers were how the game was played. RPGs immitate this, but this is not good game play when it comes to video games because very little of the game's outcomes is dependent on the player in a meaningful way. This is again because it inherits it's game mechanics from a table top game that is far removed from how a video game handles input.
>>335957708
>It's too big to fail!
>>335962875
/m/ pls.
>>335962978
>Two, the majority of their gameplay is only weakly skill based, instead based off of static things like numbers.
Ok, this is a bad thing how?
>because very little of the game's outcomes is dependent on the player in a meaningful way.
Do you even know what you're talking about
>One, they primarily are storytelling devices and not gameplay vehicles
Shitty ones maybe.
>>335962954
Who?
>>335962791
This. Less hand holding. More pew pew.
>>335959053
Why are they comparing two different agegroups? Fucking clickbait shit.
>>335962727
>800m+ PC gamers.
Where'd you get this number?
>Steam flooded with half-assed samey indie trash
>reaching mobile game levels of rehash and shit
>half of the games are purposely made bad for LE EPIC IRONY
>it's all about to come crashing down
>>335963272
Funposter who is autistically obsessed with robots and has an aneurysm whenever a game has more than an hour total of cutscenes or blood or any sexual content. Usually summoned in Metroid threads where he can be seen defending Other M or in threads like this because indie games rarely have cutscenes.
>>335954648
Nah., some of the best selling games int he last month on steam were indie(Stardew Valley, Undertale, Factorio, Gungeon, etc)
It just means that most game releases on steam lately are so trash that people aren't even bothering to buy it even for really cheap.
>>335963352
711m as of a year and a half ago. Steam accounts were at about 120m then I believe.
http://www.pcgamer.com/there-are-711-million-pc-gamers-in-the-world-today-says-intel/
>>335963216
>Ok, this is a bad thing how?
Because it's a video GAME and having good GAMEplay which is based on player skill is important to being a good video GAME.
>Do you even know what you're talking about
This is not an arguement.
>Shitty ones maybe.
That is how RPGs work, the main draw of RPGs is the story. The story is what is discussed in threads about these games. RPGs are about story, it is the most important thing about an RPG. This is a widely accepted notion and I am amazed you are claiming otherwise.
>>335959053
>Women aged 18 or older accounted for a larger percentage of the game-playing population (31 percent) than boys 18 or younger (17 percent)
candy crush is not video games
>>335963498
>has an aneurysm whenever a game has more than an hour total of cutscenes
I wonder who's behind this post?
>>335956443
>>335956953
So when will they learn to make better software? You know, stuff you don't want to refund.
>>335963521
I really hate their new layout.
>>335963613
>which is based on player skill is important to being a good video GAME.
This is just flat our wrong.
I didn't give an argument because you were again blatantly wrong.
>That is how RPGs work, the main draw of RPGs is the story. The story is what is discussed in threads about these games. RPGs are about story, it is the most important thing about an RPG. This is a widely accepted notion and I am amazed you are claiming otherwise.
Yea man the story of Paper Mario and Pokemon were the focal points of those games, totally.
Earthbound is nothing without its story!
>>335963913
>Games are not about skill
OK, this is a troll right?
>>335964042
Am I being baited right now.
A ton of games have or are based around random chances.
>All these crossed out replies
An angry librtard AND a ban evading faggot.
This word has become meaningless but can you say KEKED?
>>335964042
Regardless of your opinion on RPGs, he is right. Does a board game like Candy Land or Mouse Trap take any skill? Nope, but it's still a game.
>>335963913
>This is just flat our wrong.
>I didn't give an argument because you were again blatantly wrong.
Great arguments anon, you really showed me I was wrong.
>Yea man the story of Paper Mario and Pokemon were the focal points of those games, totally.
Rare exceptions, and I don't know about you but I would not consider Pokemon to be a great example of high tier game play.
>Earthbound is nothing without its story!
And it's aesthetic, yes.
>>335962791
Our society gives out trophies for participation. You really think most of the mongoloids around us have enough hand-eye coordination and hand dexterity? Get real. It's even worse now with pay2win.
>>335954648
yeah, surprise surprise, when you fill the steam new releases box with nothing but generic indie shit, none of it sells
>>335956953
How do I refund? I have Bioshock 2 that's been doing nothing but fucking up left and right on pc, I just want to return it but I fear it's been too long.
>>335959958
They consider mobile gaming into the statistics. People like your aunt who plays candy crush is considered in the statistic
>>335964330
>>Earthbound is nothing without its story!
>Yes
We're done here.
Only AAA games are real games.
>>335959986
Go back to your annually Feminist rewrite Wikipedia event
>>335964237
Those are not good games mechanically.
>>335964273
>Nope, but it's still a game.
I suppose in a sense they are a "game" as in a diversion or entertainment, but if no player skill or interaction is involved it is not a game. Every well regarded and high quality game is a skill based one, Go, shogi, chess, et cetera , all of the widely regarded as best games are highly skill based. I don't know of many game designers who would consider something like mouse trap a great exercise in ludology.
>>335964438
Story and aesthetic, and yes it would be nothing without those.
>>335961345
We were here first
>>335964626
>I suppose in a sense they are a "game"
Pull your head out of your ass fedoralord. A game's a game, everything from a slot machine to Ninja Gaiden.
>>335959996
> you're both wishing for the death of AAA+ and Indie
What do you expect people to do? You're ike one of those economists who's suddenly surprised that people being milked dry and shat on from on high would refuse to spend or vote for crazy politicans.
This isn't rocket science. AAA and Indie both have been feeding people shit, and paying shills to tell us it's gravy since 2010 at the very least. This industry rolled downhill into a shitheap during 8th gen and the blame lies squarely at the feet of the AAA studios who peddled DLC, season passes, Cinematics until players got cancer, and Indies who peddled beta-ware, hipster art-bortions, and feminism until players went insane. People are pissed the fuck off with what's happened to this industry and it's no surprise they no longer want the current crop of genius to continue to be the ones making them.
Middleware built this industry. Not triple-A, and not beatnik cliques. Gameplay built this industry and the only companies who should make it are the ones who provide it, in volume, as a finished product, on time and within budget. Anyone unable to do this needs to die and that is not something to lament.
>>335964724
>and yes it would be nothing without those.
>We're done here.
>>335964769
So a random number generator is a game?
>>335964724
Games usually need context, but that's really it. If your game somehow can't function without the story, then theres a problem.
>>335964626
>but if no player skill or interaction is involved it is not a game.
Just got out of game design 101 champ? Gonna work for vidya gaems?
>>335964831
It would be though. It's pretty clear you can't argue against that and are just greenexting
>>335964850
Functioning and being good are two different things.
>>335964846
Does it have a "win" condition?
>>335964942
>Grass is blue
>You're wrong
>You can't even argue against that and are just green texting!
>>335964914
I don't see any argument in your post there, did you somehow forget it?
>>335964942
In all fairness, Pacman is good. Contra is good. Mario is good. And they have bare stories.
The only difference between them and, oh say, Earthbound is that the latter is a bit bigger and less linear in its progression. But that doesn't mean it needs a mssive story, or that it'll be bad without one.
>>335964846
If getting a specific number or set of numbers is the objective, then yes.
>>335964983
If you want it to.
>>335965028
>I'm right but I don't have any evidence but I still am right :^)
No.
>>335964846
Under a court of law, it does.I miss Lawfag ;_;
>>335964850
>>335964831
>>335964724
You guys are seriously overestimating the potential of rpg's here.
>>335965118
Fine then let me change the question, is it a GOOD game.
>>335954648
>indie crash
>when it costs absolutely nothing to release a shit game on steam
>>335965263
That's entirely subjective, but possible.
>>335965225
>potential of RPGs
Oh yes, watching 10 hours of cutscenes just so I can do 40 hours of sidequests and filler, with a story filled with emotion and drama and cringeworthy voice acting.
Boy, I am missing out.
>>335965420
He said the opposite of what you think he said
>>335965067
My point wasn't that story is important, to all games my point was that almost all games can function without a story. That is because video games are generally modular, however that doesn't mean that they are good games on their own. A VN can be considered a game, and you could take every line of text out and replace it with gibberish, that doesn't mean that the base game of clicking on choices is good gameplay.
>>335959996
There will be a video game crash in the next 4 years or so.
I can feel it.
>>335965420
He said overestimating, not underestimating.
Though RPGs exist outside of "experiences" like mass effect and bethesda games, sorry you've only played shit ones.
>>335965537
Ahhh. I thought he said "underestimate". Well, my point stil stands just incase that other anon replies.
>>335962758
Apparently Terraria is one of the highest selling PC games of all time.
>>335965625
Not really the only good non "experience", as you put it, RPGs are things that aren't really RPGs at all, like tactical RPGs, or Action RPGs which are really just "strategy game where the units have stats" and "Action game where your character has stats"
>>335965862
Well people usually count those as RPGs, even if they are usually shit.
>>335965771
Makes sense, multiplayer + got updates for a long time + was often on sale for cheap as fuck + was pretty cheap in the first place
>>335962758
>cave story
>good
>>335959996
I can live quite comfortably on the meager scraps of freeware and Flash games. It's going to suck balls for the rest of you.
>>335966006
I found a picture of you.
>>335965983
That's how good indie games should be. People should be taking notes from Terraria.
>>335965376
I disagree.
>>335962863
Probably because plenty of /v/ is familiar with Newgrounds
Plenty argue about whether Edmund's games are any good though
>>335964374
14 days maximum, less than 2 hours played, but there's a chance if you ask steam support directly they'll refund it anyway
>>335966256
You believe quality of a game is objective?
Or that the rng game could be "good"?
>>335964374
The 100% rate is less than 2 weeks or 2 hours, but you can still try regardless.
>>335966095
>hipsters
>not liking indie games
Nice try.
There will be no crash, it'll just become increasingly hard for mediocre games to make any money. It won't stop mediocre games from being made though because there's an endless amount of people who wanna try and who don't know any better. The top quality games will keep getting their sales, the mediocre ones will keep fighting for ever decreasing scraps. Nothing will change really
>>335966337
Both. I believe that the quality of the game mechanics can be objective to a certain degree if certain statements can be agreed upon. I believe under most conventional agreed upon definitions a game where the only factor is RNG should not be considered good.
>>335966487
Cave Story + has an actual publisher, has been out on pretty much every platform since its release and is one of the first popular indie titles. Hating it is like hating OoT and FF7, a sign of pure contrarian faggotry.
>>335966680
OoT isn't good either you pleb.
>>335962932
>Greenlight was suppose to be some sort of quality control
>Instead Valve decided to fuck it because they still get money from shit not working games anyway
>>335966554
It will also make it hard for good games to make money too, more people will buy safe bets like the games that everyone else is talking about, instead of a smaller title that may or may not be good.
>>335966680
>FF7 is good
>this is what ps1 kiddies actually believe
>>335954648
>indie games
>"crash"
What? Most people don't make indie games as a business venture, they do it primarily because they have a vision that they want executed. it's like saying that there's a cake crash and nobody will bake them at home for themselves because they don't sell anymore.
>>335967014
Generally the good title that is actually good but sort of hidden finds enough people through word of mouth to be a financial success. My favorite examples are http://store.steampowered.com/app/400910/ and http://store.steampowered.com/app/323220/
>>335966946
It's my least favorite Zelda but I don't see how someone could hate the game
>Can a number generator be a good game?
Ahem.
Guess the number.
High or low.
Choke on my chorizo.
Complete the set.
Pick up a programming book, fgt.
>>335967116
>Most people don't make indie games as a business venture, they do it primarily because they have a vision that they want executed
Can you please tell me what bizzaro world you live in and how I can get there?
> tfw you won't be able to sell your avant garde post-ironic liberal .ppt games
heavy feels, allies
>>335967289
Most indie developers who are putting their shitty titles through Greenlight on Steam are definitely not doing this as a business venture. They're doing it for the first time and then either continue and get better until they make something worthwhile, or quit when they realize they made no money with their first shitty game. The point is, either way, shitty games will keep being made because there's an endless supply of people like that, who think that to make money with indie games you just need to get lucky, so they don't really put any effort and you get those tons of shitty Greenlight titles.
>>335958971
That i s the most retarded shit I've ever heard but I can honestly see it as being true. It's pretty much impossible to shop for games that you don't already know the title of in most online stores. I can search for "racing simulation, singleplayer, 2D" and the first 10 pages will still just be Borderlands DLC.
>>335961791
Nigga, what the fuck are you doing? Why the fuck did you heal?
>>335966946
Objectivity exists in art and video game quality. OoT is objectively one of the most important games in history along with SM64.
>>335957708
What happened in the early 80s again?
>>335963521
...You realize they're just counting the number of CPUs sold and somehow assuming they're all being used for gaming, right?
>>335964374
there's a guide on how to fix that problem
Best indie game right here.
>>335967525
The are doing it as an attempt at one, perhaps not a well informed business venture, but one none the less. I can't tell you how many of these indie chucklefucks do it because they want to get rich like every other one hit wonder indie guy. If these people had actual vision then their games wouldn't be shitty carbon clones of ten year old flash games or other indie shit.
>shitty games will keep being made because there's an endless supply of people like that
Unfortunately true.
>>335967526
Seems quite plausible with the ridiculous minutia businesses go to in order to get tiny bits of info on consumers to try to market to them. Or the ones that use subtle cues proven by testing in commercials to make people want their product. Not unbelievable that they would also try to subtly manipulate you through the search results they give you at their stores.
>>335967116
>indies complain it's too hard to get on steam
>indies complain it's too hard to get noticed on steam
>indies complain it's too easy to refund games on steam
why are my posts being deleted?
>>335968480
>indies complain
Too bad most of indies do this instead of making good games.
>>335954648
Good games deserve to sell well, shit, low-effort games don't. The sooner people stop pumping out shit EA games they've worked 2 months on, the better.
>>335967760
>OoT is objectively one of the most important games in history
sure
but most of its appreciate is pure nostalgia
the game aged like mayonnaise
>>335970390
How so?
>>335966680
>>335967760
You don't have to like anything.
Long as people are still buying shit games like Stardew Valley because OMG HARVEST MOON FORGET EMULATING REAL HM GAMES then lazy hack indie devs can still make bank. Just pick the right game to rip off.
>>335970390
Only problem with it is the framerate and the N64's controller itself
The GC port and the 3DS remake fix both of those
>>335971014
>Guy works on a game alone for 5 years
>hack
Stop using words you don't know the meaning of, retard.
>>335958921
Undertale had a lot going for it.
>music
>bullet storm game play
>Charming characters
>Humor
>and a different approach to game progression
>>335971218
so just because he works alone for 5 years that means he can't be a hack somehow?
>>335971790
How about you define "hack" for us.
>Been saying for years that Steam sales are short sighted and would cause problems
>Get bitched at because "muh cheap"
>Now games only make a profit at release, and for the first few discounts
>Once a company reaches the 75% mark the game pretty much wont bring in money again
>Meanwhile the cost to make a game is skyrocketing
>Every PC competitor market forced to compete with Valve sales when they financially cannot keep up
>Even consoles are forced to implement sales on a valve scale
>Every single fucker in the industry pretending not to see the gigantic fucking problem with this unsustainable model
This, coupled with:
>Zero content curation of any kind
>Steam literally filled with any garbage
>People have to sift through a catalog basically no better than a fucking deviant art page in terms of quality to see if there is anything worth buying, unsurprisingly nobody does this
>Shit games trying to trick people into buying them with dollar price tags and 90% discounts are 70% of the money on steam now
>Add the ability for users to return games
>Speeds up the entire process of destabilizing their market, and the rest of the industry
inb4 "Too big to crash" retards.
>>335961118
>including Bayonetta and Xenoblade in the cinematic shit list
fuck off ACfag
>>335967567
Probably to show he was at full health or something
>>335971913
first tell me how working alone protects you from criticism?
>>335971934
You are retarded.
Good.
>>335972458
Define your terms and describe how they apply or you lose. It's no sweat off of my balls.
>>335972786
Google it.
>>335971218
It took him 5 years to make a pixelshit rehash of Harvest Moon? Jesus Christ you proved my point for me.
>>335972889
"Hack" is by definition someone who pumps out content.
Compile Heart, for example, are hacks.
>>335972491
Close your eyes and pretend it isn't coming all you want, I'll be here when Valve drags this industry to the bottom of the ocean and we are left with nothing but home entertainment systems and mobile games.
>>335971934
>Meanwhile the cost to make a game is skyrocketing
most steam games are indie games, and plenty of competent indie games have been made by one/two people in their free time
>>335970390
It's not nostalgia. The game literally invented things like auto-jump and z-targeting.
>>335973257
Yes and the average indie game makes a couple bucks. No matter what level of game development you look at. No game is consistently selling enough to justify the time or effort.
>>335972828
How about you google it, since you're using the word in the wrong context.
>>335970390
I've seen people play it for the first time as recently as three years ago and still love it. It has timeless qualities.
>>335954648
It's nice to hear some good news for once. Things like early access were a nice idea but they were abused by 99% of the faggot indie devs who thought they were entitled to a quick buck.
Hopefully PC users won't have to put up with as much shovelware from now on.
>>335956443
this guy gets it
>>335973172
Not a single point you made in the entire first half of your post shows that you have even the slightest iota of an idea of what you are talking about. With every single answer so absolutely and blatantly wrong I sincerely hope you are pretending to be retarded, because if not you might be one of the least intelligent people posting on this site, and that is quite impressive for how low the bar is set.
>>335954648
Pretty cool.
>>335973368
Games make most of their sales early on, with blips for sales.
Stardew Valley has pulled in $10M in revenue for its creator after Steam's cut. I doubt he cares that five years from now it won't sell at the same pace.
If you mean that now 47 Harvest Moon clones can't hope to also make $10M in revenue, well no shit, the market for that game was just served. Find another niche to serve or fuck off.
>>335961835
>Maybe when California sinks into the ocean we'll see like 80% of indie developers disappear.
Most of them are leaving Cali for the mid west now and east coast for some reason. Here In philadelphia 15 hipster gamedev start ups just opened in north philadelphia. If Cali sinks there are other places they will go.
>>335974259
If any riots break out in Philly, do your civic duty and try to lead them to their offices.
>>335961835
>Cali
>Sinking
Dumb feelsposter.
>>335974510
>If any riots break out in Philly
That would only happen if any of our sports teams win either the Superbowl, Stanley Cup, The Final, or the World Series but that's not happening anytime soon.
man, can we go back in time before making games to promote your ideas was more important than making a good game, when people put effort in making indie games instead of pixeltrash SJW games made by hipsters that do it because it's cool?
