>2002 PS2 game made with 1/1000th of the budget runs at 60 frames per second
>2016 PS4 ultra mega giga remake of the previous game runs at 30 frames per second
Explain me this shit /v/
>>335913668
Because 30 fps are enough.
What needs to be pushed are resolution and graphics.
Cry me a river, the ps4 is winning, so I can't hear you crying.
>>335913668
Even at 30 FPS the remake is a better game than the original.
>>335913668
Why not ask Insomniac themselves?
http://www.insomniacgames.com/how-much-does-framerate-matter/
>>335913867
R&C 3 = R&C 2 > everything else
It's Ratchet and Clank the game: The Movie: The Game. It's "cinematic"
>>335914110
A Crack in Time is my favorite. It's also the last Insomniac game that was 60 fps.
>>335913867
This. The original is highly overrated and average at best. The true gems that put R&C on the map were Up Your Arsenal and Deadlocked.
If this was a fighting game or racer or any other type of game that requires quick reflexes and fast response times, I might understand.
BUT ITS FUCKING RATCHET AND CLANK JESES FUCK
>>335915345
you've obviously never played a ratchet and clank game
>mfw everyone hated Deadlocked except me
>>335915672
OH NO STRAFE JUMPING BACK AND FORTH REQUIRES SO MUCH PRECISION.
Played every single one. Love em, but you must suck at games if you think they require anything remotely resembling "skill".
>>335915910
I loved Deadlocked honestly
>>335913962
I like the sheer honesty of just saying "here's the data, graphics sells and effects opinion more than framerate"
>>335913962
I almost wish they made a joke along the lines of "But what about the PS5 when the remaster comes out?! What would the selling point be for that version?!"
>>335914701
u r a faget
>>335913962
This is the answer to why 99% of console games shoot for 30 and not 60: Most people don't give a fuck about 60 fps.
>>335916565
I'm fine woth 30 fps. Its just gotta be a rock solid 30 with hopefully no drops.
heh
>>335916043
Yeah, idunno everyone I knew hated it. Probably because they got rid of the exploring aspect. And the atmosphere was nothing special.
But I like that they tried to change focus, rather than attempt going above and beyond 3, which they probably weren't capable at the time.
Also, the fucking Scorpion Flail was so cool. I'm baffled that it hasn't been recycled for one of the games yet.
I do hate that they neutered Siege mode in multiplayer, though.
>>335915910
Wasn't the Ryno in Deadlocked a satellite cannon? Man I loved Deadlocked...I hope they remake it or provide a sequel.
>>335917287
Harbinger.
And yes despite the name it is considered a Ryno type weapon.
>>335917287
It wasn't a ryno it was it's own weapon called the harbinger
>>335917234
>And the atmosphere was nothing special.
The music was still excellent and the commentators and overall setting added a nice new twist.
The co-op mode is GOAT.
>>335917287
Playing the reboot, I almost freaked out seeing Juanita and Dallas in that one scene.
Shit man, I really hope we see a focus on something like Deadlocked. Commentators and all.
Random ass theory, I bet that convict at the end of the reboot works for Thugs-4-Less. I'm sure the next game will continue to reuse shit from 2 and onward, and I'm honestly fine with that.
>>335917234
Don't worry, a lot of people on here loved Deadlocked.
I never played it when it first came out, I only got it recently and it's actually pretty great.
>>335917690
Are these the Pixar level graphics sonyggers keep yelling about? I'm. not trying to stir shit but that doesn't look impressive. Is the gameplay still good?
>>335917909
That's RC3
>>335917909
That's a screenshot from the PS2 game Ratchet 3.
>>335917909
That's from the first PS2 game
>>335916889
Goddamn it now I can't unsee it
>>335917909
>>335917990
>>335918004
>>335918021
Okay cool,sorry I'm just way out of it.
>>335918004
Looks like the PS3 version though, since the shield's kinda fucked up
>>335917909
Just a picture I took of a glitch while playing the HD remake of R&C 3.
>>335918157
Post more Courtney.
>>335918157
There is not enough porn of her
Did they ever re-release Deadlocked in any form? It's probably the only R&C game outside of dogshit like All 4 One that I haven't played.
>>335918248
There's an HD port on PSN but it's kinda screwy.
>>335918217
It's not just porn I want.
>>335918248
There's the HD PS3 version but it's a glitchy, rushed port.
Do yourself a favour and pick up the PS2 version, but only if you can find a friend to play it with.
I can't seem to find any real information on the new one as far as mechanics and shit go. One of my favorite things about the later games was upgrading your armor and weapons, is that back? What about ship customization?
>>335918382
>upgrading armor
No, no armor upgrades
>ship customization
Nope
>weapons
Of course they upgrade like the past from using them and it has an expanded version of the rareitanium upgrade grid from Enter the Nexus.
>>335918382
Weapons upgrade from level 1 to 5, then you buy an Omega version in challenge mode to take it to level 10. There are mods to each weapon in the same style as Into the Nexus (that hexagonal grid thing) and raritanium unlocks each hexagon.
No armor upgrades, you just get one armour (though you can wear like 4 different colours in the extras menu, need a certain amount of gold bolts). No ship customization either, but again you can change the colour the same way as the armour.
>>335918157
Another reason to hate Qwark.
>>335918194
Don't have much.
>>335918248
People who got Full Frontal Assault when it was new got a free code for it on PS3, I believe.
Plays fine, I guess, but there's transparency issues all over the place and the cutscenes are riddled with glitches. 1 example;
>>335917234
>>335918382
No armor in the remake.
Or Ship customization.
>>335918593
Woops. Forgot pic.
>>335918530
I hate that they stopped giving the weapons visual upgrades. It's a small complaint, but I really enjoyed that in the older titles.
Did anyone else hate the ship segments?
>>335918530
So no armor at all?
This babe right here made Going Commando the easiest game in the franchise.
Full nanotech + upgraded armor + ultra shield charger and you're literally invincible.
>>335918702
They weren't terrible, but so barebones that they might as well have no been included.
Pulling up enemies and launching them was kind of cool, I guess.
>>335918723
Forgot the god damn pic.
>>335918530
>>335918548
>>335918615
>no armor or ship upgrades
Well that's fucking lame.
How extensive is the weapon upgrade system? Do you choose between different mods or can you just unlock all of them?
>>335913867
no
the remake is okey, but the story, characters, and music are all weaker
The gameplay is too easy and levels are missing
The original is better
>>335918702
I hate the space battle against Qwark in the first game. It's not that bad in GC with upgraded weapons. Get nukes, fast locking missiles and torpedoes ASAP.
>>335917909
Are you retarded
>>335918839
>Do you choose between different mods
What, like Deadlocked?
I'm convinced that the feedback on Deadlocked was so negative among fans that they won't touch anything from that particular game again, which is a shame because I liked it a lot.
The raritanium system is back for this game, like Into the Nexus.
>>335918992
>I'm convinced that the feedback on Deadlocked was so negative among fans that they won't touch anything from that particular game again
You're joking right?
>they only bring back two weapons from the original
>one of them is just a reskin
>>335919187
Please tell me the walloper is in.
>>335918839
Weapons still function like the older games more you use it. It levels up there's also an system where you spend raritanium to increase certain parts of your weapon(Like rate of fire for example)
No mods.
>>335913668
It's 4 the players fuckwad.
Graphics > Framerate/gameplay
Jesus, It's 201X. Get with the times grandpa.
>>335917234
That last fucking level with Dallas and Juanita losing it was fucking hysterical. Really great writing in that game. I mean I read some reviews at the time which called it inferior to the first 3 and gameplay wise they're somewhat right but I still had a blast with it.
The PS3 port though, I mean Jesus fucking Christ.
>>335918839
You just unlock all of them, there are certain parts of the grid that, if you unlock all the hexagons around them, you get a special upgrade. Like for example the Combustor weapon can fire 5 shots at once.
>>335919187
too be fair the weapons from the first game were really shitty
too many gloves, no locking system, blaster was like a fucking mess
GC and Deadlocked have objectively the best weapons
>>335918157
Why is it so hard to find good porn of these Western developed Sony properties? From what I hear these games sold well in Japan.
>>335919209
Nope. Pyrocitor and Agents of Doom are the only returnees. There's still the generic grenade glove and pistol but they have the names of their variants in the future series.
I do like the new weapons though.
>>335919451
Is there a melee weapon? Those were always my favourite.
>>335919515
Unfortunately not.
>>335919515
No.
>>335919392
There was nothing wrong with the weapons from the first game
Most of of them could have been in this game just like the flamethrower was
So the movie is fucking dreadful, yeah? I dunno, it doesn't come out here for another three months and I'll still see it anyway but just asking.
Elaris is pretty qt; pity you see her a grand total of twice in the flesh ingame.
>>335919451
>generic grenade glove and pistol
They picked the worst ones
>>335919601
except that you only have like the devastator and the blaster against flying enemies
>>335919624
Of course it was bad
Ratchets writing has been terrible since the ps3 days
>>335913668
one is on PS2 and one is on PS4. that's literally it.
like everything "next-gen", the game has to suffer to allow for shiny graphics.
like wow we sure are in the next-gen huh? all these recent games struggling to keep framerates they did with ease on PS2/Gamecube
>>335917909
Ratchet and Clank 1?
Gameplay is kind of chunky but overall is solid and has a nice, retro tier difficulty curve.
Ratchet and Clank 2 and 3 aged like fucking Egyptian honey
>>335914342
Crack in Time may as well be the last real Ratchet game that wasn't an escort title (like QFB, ITN and A4O)
nothing will top it. they seriously could've ended the series right there and i would have been more than satisfied.
Why haven't weapon mods like in Deadlocked return? If I remember correctly it kind of did in ACiT but it wasnt as grand as Deadlocked. They should make enemies have weaknesses in the next game.
>>335920017
This statement gets thrown around too much
Yeah you couldnt strafe in ratchet 1 but all the enemies where built around you not strafing
Ratchet 1 plays fine
Has anyone played the Remasters on Vita?
Just wondering how they held up on that. PS3 at least plays fine, it's just some visuals and cutscenes that messed up.
>>335919827
Especially sad when one considers that the PS2 was by far the weakest console of it's gen, not counting Dreamcast, by far. The Xbox was twice as powerful as the PS2, and the GC nearly as much too. And here is the PS4, the most powerful of this gen, roughly 50% more powerful and yet it cannot maintain a high framerate on it's exclusive titles. I don't know how Halo5 on the Xbone runs better then PS4 games at 50% the power. Or god forbid the WiiU managing to run nearly all it's games at a high frame rate, and it's a generation back.
This fucking gen.
>>335919392
They would have been remade though
>>335915345
the guns and bolts are so effects-heavy that if they tried to run it at 60fps it would chug every time you fired off the pulse drum, groovibomb, Bouncer, etc
>>335920017
>Ratchet and Clank 2 and 3 aged like fucking Egyptian honey
Well said.
>>335920062
Enemies having weaknesses and strengths is not a bad idea. They kind of did that in Sunset Overdrive, showing little tiers of how each weapon is against types of enemies.
>>335920150
They performed worse than even the PS2 originals.
>>335920287
>>335920150
They're a bit more buggy, but compared to Jak 2/3 they run like butter on the Vita.
>>335920159
Halo 5's arsenal of weapons don't fill the entire screen with goofy projectiles or induce effects on every enemy onscreen like R&C does.
there are reasons for the cap. the fact is that the game can't look good and still run at 60fps. and the games that do usually cost a lot more to make
>>335920135
I only say that because not having a good strafe or persistent reticule makes it control really awkwardly compared to other shooters people might be used to.
Personally I can go back to it without any issue. It's a well designed game it just has dated controls
>>335920159
Pretty sure all in-house Nintendo games have been running at 60 fps since Gamecube. I could be wrong and forgetting a few, but I know most of them do. Even some of their N64 games run at 60 fps. Specifically F-Zero X, which the developers specifically stated they sacrificed graphics to maintain that since they knew it was important for a racing game.
I mean, maybe an action platformer doesn't need those frames as much, but it just sucks since it was the status quo for R&C back in the day.
>>335913962
>We want to give you guys, our fans and players, the best looking games you can buy on a console.
for fucks sake, NO
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FUCKING GRAPHICS! MAKE THE **GAMEPLAY** GOOD!
even goddamn insomniac has become completely fixated on grafix like fucking Square Enix
i hate this goddamn industry
>>335920405
That's good to hear. I platted all 3 Jak games on both PS3 and Vita. Vita versions ran pretty bad.
If it's ever on sale, I'll check it out then.
>>335916565
> gameplay is too easy
Play it on hard, it is a kids game after all. And the original wasn't hard either, everything died in a few hits, and the ai was not agessive or smart.
>>335913668
the movie's robo-Nefarious sequel hook at the end felt so fucking tacked on. and maybe a bit pre-emptive since the movie bombed so hard i hard they will make a sequel
>>335920150
they run like ass, look like ass and have major bugs but is overall playable.
I wouldn't play them as your first playthroughs of the game though because they'd probably leave a bad impression
So after reading through this thread let me get a few things sraight:
>only one armor suit
>no ship upgrades
>weapons don't change appearance when they level up
It all that is true then I'm honestly on the fence about playing it. In my opinion those were the best additions of the sequels.
>>335920913
Also most of the weapons are future shit
>>335920135
Ratchet 1 enemies were pretty bad though, they just either ran at you to hit you, or shot from afar.
Haven't played the remake, but admittedly it looks like they've managed them around strafing, like when shooting at one enemy the other will run off to the side to shoot you from there. Looks cool.
>>335920968
>future shit
Meaning what exactly? It's been a while since I played the future games.
>>335913962
>Framerate should be as consistent as possible and should never interfere with the game. However, a drop in framerate is interestingly seen by some players as a reward for creating or forcing a complex setup in which a lot of things must happen on the screen at once. As in, “Damn! Did you see that? That was crazy!”
this is a sign they were talking to real R&C fans cuz i felt the same way. when the framerate chugged in older insomniac games it was almost always because of how much shit was exploding/flying all over the screen and the slowdown made those huge explosive moments more dramatic.
i've even felt this in other games tbqh
>>335920913
there's only one suit and but you can change its color through gold bolts, same goes for the ship color.
Weapons do change appearance when they hit level 5 like all other games but because there's no level up screen you'd never notice.
The only really bad thing about the game is reused weapons.
There are 14 weapons in the game not counting the bouncer, only 2 of them are totally new original weapons, 2 of them are remade RC1 weapons (which is fine), and the other 10 are weapons reused from tools of destruction. Including the Ryno.
It's fucking ridiculous.
the most disappointing thing is weapon leveling up, i really miss the old animation and seeing how the weapon changes and it being a big ordeal, not oh hey your weapon does 20% more damage now bye
>>335920885
Oh no no. I've been following the game since the beginning. I've played through every single game (even All 4 One, despite how fucking boring it was) as well as the remasters on PS3.
Just wondering if they play okay. I just want to plat them again eventually. It'll also be cool to have them on the go, since Size Matters and Secret Agent Clank are pretty underwhelming.
>>335921114
He's saying most of the Remakes weapons are from the Future games(Which is true)
Like the discoball and Mr Zurkon weapons for one.
I'm as much of a PC elitist as the next guy. 60fps all the way. However if your game can look good and be a STABLE 30fps we don't have much of a problem. I just finished Ratchet and Clank yesterday. Would I have preferred it to be 60fps? Yes. Did it ruin my experience for being a solid 30 with barely any dips? No.
>>335921114
They reused a lot of weapons from the future series like mr zurkon and the groovatron for the fourth time
>>335920913
There's no real need for armor since enemies already hit like tanks on hard.
Also, weapons do change appearance.
>>335921114
see
>>335921239
>The only really bad thing about the game is reused weapons.
There are 14 weapons in the game not counting the bouncer, only 2 of them are totally new original weapons, 2 of them are remade RC1 weapons (which is fine), and the other 10 are weapons reused from tools of destruction. Including the Ryno.
It's fucking ridiculous.
>>335920658
The majority of consumers barely care about gameplay. They just buy whatever has marketing and graphics behind it.
>>335921220
>Dragon's Dogma
>spamming high level spells and making your ps3 shit itself
I agree it can be strangely satisfying.
>>335919791
It really has. Literally the first PS3 game tries overly hard to be cinematic with constant chatter and EPIC AND CINEMATIC MOMENTS, losing the genuine wit and charm of the originals and replacing it with condescending drek.
>>335921579
I think Crack in Time made it work though.
>>335921239
>>335921335
Ok I was misled by >>335918694
Also if armor has different skins then that's not so bad. I'm just a sucker for visual upgrades which is why I loved all the sequels so much.
>no arena
>>335921881
>Taste the adrenaline as contestants face our four-armed bandit, the B2 Brawler! Brawler! Brawler! No living creature is a match for this machine. Watch six tons of Carbonox alloy hunt for its prey. There is no consolation prize, because this bad boy is programmed to show no mercy!
>>335921828
yeah I didn't mind the lack of armor upgrades.
The skin unlocks fulfilled my need for visual progression on ratchet. Plus I can only imagine that not having to consider all the possible damage resistance a player may have makes balancing the game a lot easier.
>>335921881
Wait seriously? Hasn't that been a staple of the series since 2?
>>335922121
No arena but they added a collectathon like the crystals in going commando
>>335921881
They'll bring the jetpack (and make it better) and scavenger hunt (and make it worse) from R&C 2, but no fucking coliseum. What the hell.
>>335922084
I love that cutscene
>>335913668
First off, the remake is meant to look more cinematic.
Secondly, making the PS4 run the game at 60fps whilst looking that amazing could start a house fire.
Finally, it's better than the original and a game doesn't have to be running at more than 30fps to be good (unless we're speaking abou PC)
>>335922121
Yes.
I guess they wanna justify it by saying "The original had no Arena!"
>>335922693
That's just bullshit.
>>335922201
Does it work the same way? i.e. a giant open area where you find crystals and turn them in for different shit?
>>335917909
The whole Pixar-level graphics thing was just shitposting.
The closest we've got to Pixar-tier graphics is maybe Paragon.
Hell, Overwatch is closer to Pixar graphics than R&C.
>>335922950
It's bit different you fly around with a jetpack collecting things and there a refueling stations placed around the area you also fight big mini boss creatures
>>335913668
The budget was most likely bigger for the first game. That's when Sony actually liked the sales of Insomniac games. The remake was sold for $40 and Sony only does that for their budget titles.
>>335922950
>Does it work the same way? i.e. a giant open area where you find crystals and turn them in for different shit?
Pretty much.
Replace crystals with brains.
>>335922975
>that, pixar.
Buddy get your eyes checked, overwatch is closer, but in game looks nowhere as good as the cutscene gifs.
They ruined drek
>>335916565
^This
Nobody except /v/ autists cares about 60fps
>>335923284
He was so underwhelming, that I didn't even care. He was a really shallow villain to begin with.
Nefarious is cool, though. I like that they're using him before he becomes a robot.
>>335913775
I just gotta ask, does spending most of your free time circle jerking to Sony make up for not having anything to play on it?
>>335913668
Games run at variable framerates, soemthing you should expect on both PC and consoles, but can be overcome sometimes by powering through with a PC.
This isn't a new concept, and a game is never unplayable or broken if it runs at a less than desirable framerate.
The only time you should take issue is when it runs aspects of gameplay, such as response time or faster fights, a good example is the pre-patch Zone of the Ender HD collection.
>>335923284
they made nefarious better
>>335921503
Sad but true.
>>335923248
Good point, Paragon is better than Pixar quality.
>>335923673
His organic design is a lot better than in 3. Makes sense, since it's for more than just a comic book cutscene.
Although I feel like they got rid of the nemesis-aspect between him and Qwark.
>>335913775
Sony shoves a dildo up your ass and you still applaud them.
Kek
>>335924103
As someone who enjoys a dildo up the ass every once in a while, you should probably use something more uncomfortable when you shitpost.
Not that guy though.
Because there is no point to it.
Only autists care about this shit. Are you autistic?
>m-muh fps!!!
>>335924534
>this is the PS4 audience
No surprises
>>335923441
>>335923673
Anyone else not really care for nefarious in this game?
He wasn't really involved in the plot very much and felt out of nowhere as a final boss
>>335925616
Nigga i don't even have the game, I just read it when scrolling down the front page.
>>335925953
I suppose the movie was meant to fill in the bits where he was there. Because otherwise he did come out of pretty much nowhere.
>>335920062
The custom weapons in crack are why i personally dont enjoy it as much as thr others even tools. They should have made a bunch more guns and stuff considering it was the end of the trilogy and to the secret of the lobaxes. Hell even the reskinned ones from the museum would have been fine just to have more options
