>"Guy's lets make a Dark Souls ripoff :D"
>"But how do we make it hard to attract the Dark Souls memesters? :^l"
>"DUDE LET'S JUST MAKE EVEY ENEMY STRONG ENOUGH TO KILL YOU IN ONE TO TWO HITS LMAO XD"
>>335903151
>He hasn't leveled up yet
>>335903151
How you collect some armor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdWIBeLGYY
get good
>>335903151
GIT GUD
DSP's actually legitimately good at Nioh, so what's the excuse all the GIT GUD XD Soulsbabbies on /v/?
Gameplay is slow and clumsy. Loot system is annoying. Getting knocked down over the slightest hit and then getting axed while down is idiotic. Graphics are shit (DF said action mode runs at 600p). Camera system is ass. Stamina meter is fucking stupid. Leveling up stats has no place in a TN game. Mechanics are poorly (or rather not even at all) explained.
Game was an extremely mediocre disappointment. Tried way too hard to ride the Souls wave of success rather than doing its own thing.
Here's all the things Nioh ripped directly from Souls:
>different rolls and speeds at weight thresholds
>picking up your "souls" off your bloodstain where you died previously
>other player bloodstains
>stamina bar
>gestures
>shortcuts
>weapon and gear system just like Souls
>level up system just like Souls
>weapon degradation (which has no place in a game like this)
>bonfi- I mean "shrines"
>estus fla- I mean elixers that refill at the "shrines"
>the tagline "Ready to die?"
I know Souls didn't "invent" (most) of these things, but it really is embarrassing and a bit sad that the pioneers of the 3D action genre have to ride the wave of another franchise's success and copy many of its key mechanics rather than doing its own thing.
>>335903540
Nice pasta
>let's make a dark souls ripoff
>why do I die when I play it like dark souls?
>>335903282
>he leveled up
Why would you use a mechanic literally made for casuals?
>>335903540
In summation:
> I only like challenge when it's convenient for me.
>>335903627
It's literally roll2win just like Dark Souls.
The main difference is that every enemy can insta kill you so there is no room for error.
>>335903617
Not a pasta if I typed all of it myself.
>>335903679
No, I like challenge in games with good gameplay mechanics and well implemented difficulty. Nioh has neither. The Ninja Gaiden games on MNM is an example of difficulty done right.
>>335903470
Game looks tedious as fuck.
>>335903540
Honestly, its just a modern adaption of ninja gaiden
Its just the same as when everyone put call of duty mechanics in their games
And world of warcraft mechanics
Somebody pease explain one thing to me:
>Man i love the Souls games i wish i could play more of them
>Hey guys i heard you like games like Dark Souls we made a Japanese touched Souls like game
>HOLY SHIT WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE MAKING SOULS LIKE GAMES????
>>335904123
Don't lie though. Literally saw this pasta word for word yesterday in a thread.
>>335904814
autism
game is good, remember to fill out the survey when you finish. I want more consumable slots to make magic/ninja strats more effective
>>335904814
They complain because the developers took away many of the things people like about the souls game and added many things people dislike about the souls games.
They're not upset it's being copied; they're upset is being copied poorly.
>>335903896
>roll2win
It isn't though, blocking in Nioh is actually far superior to rolling.
>>335904814
Have you not figured this out by now? /v/ does not like or play video games, so they hate on all of them.
>>335903470
Looks way more like Bloodborne than Souls
>>335903679
This by far, if something is hard, it's hard. Artifical difficulty or "it's hard for the wrong reasons" is nothing more than whining that you're not good enough to overcome a challenge, fair or not.
>>335903282
I read on Kotaku that this is better than Civ 5 with the brave new world expansion
>TN wasted their time with this mediocre shovelware instad of developing a legit Ninja Gaiden 4
Fucking wow.
>>335904982
> took away many of the things people like about the souls game
Examples?
>>335903151
The game is slow and clunky and looks bad, and they really shouldn't start you off with armor that can't protect you from any hits at all that's just poor design that will turn off users immediately, but the damage enemies do isn't really the problem.
The problem is that they're trying to merge two genres and design philosophies that are totally at odds with one another.
High damage and a stamina bar and relatively slow attack animations all fit together to make a slow and deliberate game where positioning and patience is key. This is the Souls game design.
Flashy combos and cancel mechanics and expandable combo trees work in fast-paced twitch-action games where everything flows or cancels into everything and the action is hectic. This is the NG game design.
The two are oil and water, mixing them was never going to turn out well. Even if they fix the animations so it doesn't look so stilted and strange every time you ki burst.
I also don't know why people think Team Ninja has a good track record. NG and NG:B were amazing but I can't think of a single good game they've ever made besides it.
In b4 people say DoA is a good series or that Sigma was good.
>>335903151
Literally sounds like you're just describing Dark Souls.
>>335903151
sasuga ninja gaijin 4
>>335905483
But every Souls game so far was slow and clunky and looked bad?
>>335904814
First of all, no, I don't want to play more Souls games. 2 was mediocre and 3 is full of problems and I'm burnt out on them besides, which is probably why I liked Bloodborne so much more than DaS3.
Second, the reason no one is enjoying Nioh is the same reason no one bought Lords of the Fallen: It's a pale imitation that invites comparison with much more polished games.
>>335905578
Hey tripshit. If post accountability isn't necessary the tripcode isn't necessary.
>>335904814
muh sekrit klubb
>>335905607
why are you trying to convince us? We played the game and enjoyed it.
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/form/nioh_us
Tell them what's wrong with the game.
>>335905578
I'll grant you that Souls games tend to be slow, but they're also not trying to be action game hybrids.
Souls games actually flow quite impressively, you'd be hard-pressed to call them stilted or clunky. Nioh, on the other hand, tends to have long recovery frames on moves where your character isn't moving or animating and long gaps in motion even if you ki burst or low-stance-dodge as soon as you can.
>>335904123
>No, I like challenge in games with good gameplay mechanics and well implemented difficulty. Nioh has neither.
that's because it's ripping off the Souls games which are just as bad
>>335904623
>ninja gaiden
why do you underage fagots always forget that this is onimusha with a couple of new mechanics like stamina
>>335905653
literally not even close to what is being said there
>>335903540
This
The fact you faggots support this trash is going to cause a cascade of other ripoffs
You lot are no better than capeshit loving redditors
>>335905653
What are you even trying to say
>>335905886
reinventing the wheel is why dark souls 2 is shit.
The core gameplay is nothing like dark souls. Everything else -- bonfire system, souls, grimdark atmosphere -- is pretty much 1:1 dark souls. I don't have a problem with that too much since the bonfire system is a really interesting concept and works in a lot of games. Its just that this game did not need to be grimdark like DaS, its pandering to the souls crowd.
>>335906013
You clearly dont undestand what "reinventing the wheel" means
>>335904982
It's PSASBR all over again.
>>335904814
People want to play Souls games made by FROM, not Souls ripoffs made by companies looking for a quick cash grab by copying successful games.
This is your logic:
>I like da vinci paintings I wish there were more of them
>hey guys I heard you like mona lisa so we made this mona lisa ripoff
>>335906161
all they had to do was use the engine from dark souls 1. There was absolutely no need to waste devtime on shitty lighting that got thrown out anyway
>>335905375
This
>>335905691
KK
â– Action & Controls
Bad
Ki Burst really needed an explanation as it is so integral. Attack animations feel too slow and take too long to recover. On the whole it feels stilted; like it can't decide if it wants to be slow and deliberate or quick and twitchy so it settles on neither.
â– Graphics & Atmosphere
Bad
While everything was very detailed the world was also cluttered. There was nothing to focus on so nothing made an impression, I was walking through what may as well have been a featureless hall to fight the next group.
â– Character Design
Normal
Anime Geralt vs generic samurai. Not bad but not good either.
â– Stage Design
Normal
No comment
â– UI
Very bad
Cluttered, tons of information everywhere with no indication as to what's important, background of menus too busy; makes everything harder to see
â– Music & Sound Effects
Normal
no comment
â– Difficulty & Game Balance
Bad
The first enemy you meet should not one-shot you. That's just silly. The game is fine once you get real armor or level up.
â– Overall
Bad
There's a good game hidden in this mess but it's going to take a ton of polish and elbow grease to unearth it
â– Please let us know any other opinions or suggestions below:
Please decide if you want the game to be slow or fast and go all-in on that design choice
>finally a high budget game with yokai
>graphics look amazing and so does the enemy design
>its going to be shitposted to death by the cancer that is the souls fanbase
at least its safe from the PC crowd.
The levels are relatively short. Once you get the combat down you barely die anymore and a level takes maybe 30 minutes to an hour. I'm not sure they'll actually create enough content in this game to justify the $60 price tag at release.But then again people are fine to pay $60 for 4 hour shitty movies like the order.
>>335905092
That's because it's more like Ninja Gaiden and other character action games than it is Dark Souls.
Including how fast and unforgiving it is.
>>335906518
Once it's out there will be a general. Generals are usually quite good for games that don't have that much waifu appeal. Bonus points for generals for games without character editor.
>>335906549
Literally looks like NG/Bloodborne/DMC combo.
When were you when the DOAX3 devs literally BTFO all Soulbornes games?
>>335905375
>Wanting a Ninja Gaiden 4 after the casual abortion Ninja Gaiden 3 was
A frog poster is retarded what a surprise.
>>335906286
competition is bad
>>335906656
>Razor Edge doesn't exist
>>335906025
>Grimdark
>pandering to souls
Aside from the mechanical stuff, this game has the same atmosphere as games like Onimusha. It's not aping DS beyond mechanic stuff like souls/leveling/etc... The core gameplay is radically different.
>>335906414
Did you beat the game?
the game just needs more tutorialization on Ki pulse, and running vs walking. Turning your back is probably what killed you on the first dude.
I want more spaces to hotkey items too.
as fir the UI, i think some elements should be a little bigger.
As for graphics, i really hope they play more with light/ sun/ dawn imagery. Dark and spoopy gets boring
>>335906414
>Getting hit by the tutorial enemy
>The first enemy is THE casual filter for you
>Implying your opinion matters
>>335906286
The game was in development for 10 years. Cash grab? Pls
>>335906530
This is idiotic reasoning.
It'll take 30-60 mins for the average player to complete a level.
There are over 10 areas on the map we see in-game. Assuming each is a similarly sized area taking roughly the same amount of time, that's a good game length for an action RPG.
Do not condone or hunger for bloat.
>>335906769
>implying I got hit by the first enemy and not the first group of 3
>implying it matters when all the starting enemies one shot you without armor
Why can't you defend a game on its own merits pepe
>>335906720
>We polished this turd you guys! Its shiny now so its okay :)
>>335906784
Want to know what else was in development for 10 years?
I can't go back to the Souls game now, the combat feels so shallow compared to this
Fuck.
>>335906530
> people taking 8 hrs to beat level 1
>>335906870
>First enemy drops armor
>Equip armor
>Dont die in 1 hit anymore
>Actually use the block button for 100% dmg reduction
>Game is easy now
DSP please go
>>335906634
Yup, while I'm in the middle parrying enemies, doing KI pulses to prevent demons from regaining stamina, dodging like a motherfucker it feels exactly like what you described.
All actions are deliberate.
Your success or failure rests HEAVILY on your skill and understanding of the game's numerous systems.
The issues the game has is that it is unpolished. Key things like KI Pulse are not explained. Ki needs a blatant THIS GOVERNS YOUR STAMINA indicator rather than what is currently in the game.
>>335906861
Man I don't know. I've just felt ripped off with my last couple of purchases. I bought Gravity Rush which was barely 10 hours long, Infamous which was like 15 hours for 2 playthroughs and some other really fucking short games. And then you grab some random game like EDF or Disgaea and they never seem to stop. I just want to have some value for my money and not a game that I can 100% in like a weekend.
>>335906784
12, actually.
And that's not a good thing. It means they've scrapped their game over and over and over because it never worked.
>>335903540
>(DF said action mode runs at 600p)
720p
Granted, it's still shit considering the game still can't maintain 60 FPS at fucking 720p.
>>335906870
>I ran into a 1v3 despite that you can avoid that fight all together
>>335904814
>wow this 5 star restaurant steak is delicious
>some shitty indian kari cook: hey guys I heard you like steak so I cooked one for you, I also put some ketchup on it
>FUCK OFF YOU SHITTY COOK STICK TO MAKING KARI
>you: w-why are you upset guys the shitty steak is just as good as the 5 star steak, this is what you asked for
>>335903470
The funny thing is that he could have done that fight even better. He let a lot of opportunities go by playing safely, didn't take advantage of being able to stun it when it's Ki was empty, and didn't try to go for the weak point to drop said Ki to zero. Hell he could have even used Living Weapon much more.
>>335907071
Its an old alpha build. The TGS gameplay trailers. have better framerate.
>>335907026
Sen people beat the 1st state without it, our boy demo
>>335907042
We know they scrapped the last version because it was literally Ninja Gaiden with oni. No one would want that, but it would work.
>>335907140
>Its a food analogy episode
>>335906681
>he thinks there is a competition in art
>>335907140
Food analogies are like walking into a Subway and asking for a burger.
It doesn't fucking work
>>335903151
>see demo in the store
>ok, let's try
>play 10 minutes
>delete
Literally what the fuck was that.
>>335907071
> alpha
>>335907260
The GOTY you can't play.
>>335906908
3 different weapon types.
Lots of unique skills in each weapon tree (example: axes don't get parries, spears don't get an armor boost, etc...)
3 different stances
The ability to customize how your combo strings begin and end.
One of my favorite things was discovering how to MURDER those fucking ninjas.
Low Stance Katana: 2 Light attacks+ Heaven's Flash to knock them down
Stance switch to High Stance Heavy move to stab grounded targets.
And it looks so fucking smooth, too.
Demons fucking suck, though. Almost all the depth in human combat is replaced with:
Dodge Attack, Ki Pulse, Hammer them with attacks until you kill their stamina. Most weapon skills don't work on them, so all the cool technical shit goes out the window.
>>335907260
>see it in store
>download it
>die to the first enemy
>shitpost on 4chan
>>335907260
casual filter
>>335907146
>>335907280
Whatever, I don't fall for that anymore.
>>335907098
The first time you reach that area the third guy smashes through some boxes to your side and alerts the two you see. If you don't know he's there you won't know to go around first.
Did you even play the game?
>>335906784
Yes and no. The first incarnation of the game started development in 2004, and was a weird hybrid of SRPG and Mosou. Koei were dissatisfied with the product, so it was shelved after a couple of years development time. After the KT merger, it was handed off to Team Ninja in the late '00s, where it was worked on for several years, but eventually scrapped due to being deemed too similar to Ninja Gaiden. Development was restarted in 2012, which produced the version we know today.
>>335906989
DSP's actually legitimately good at Nioh, amusingly.
>Le git gud! Learn how to play scrub Dark Souls is easy! Fucking casuals!
>Okay lets play this Dark Souls clone it should be easy
>Wow wtf I die too fast this game is aritficial difficulty bullshit
>>335903151
As soon as you get any armour, no enemy can one-shot you outside of the broken co-op.
If you get hit once, block immediately. It'll cancel the recovery frames. Don't try to roll out of getting combo'd, it's a death sentence.
>>335905046
No it isn't. Blocking takes chunks of your ki, especially if it's an Oni and can leave you fatigued and vulnerable.
Doing a heavy or several normal attacks and rolling back or behind is far more effective and safer.
>>335907039
This is why I do a lot of research and avoid falling for hype. Understand the type of games you like, WHY you like them, and be done with it.
I stopped caring about game length when it hit me that most of the games I grew up with as a kid are around that length. Stuff that like NG, DMC3, Bayonetta 2, Shinobi PS2, Onimusha, etc... aren't long either.
>>335906414
Found the thread full of dudes who's mom's bought them xboxes and won't buy them ps4s
>>335904969
Where is this survey? I finished both missions and it didn't come up. Is it on a website?
Also, is the dlc bonus only for finishing the first mission? I thought I'd get another when I beat the second mission but nothing.
>>335907548
DLC's only for the first mission.
>>335907358
That's nice. It's still an alpha, and since demos are often small snippets of an earlier state of development set aside for public consumption, what we're playing is likely nowhere near the current dev build.
>>335907420
good thing I learned that 1v3 is bad and went around after
>>335907449
>Development was restarted in 2012, which produced the version we know today.
This shit is still in alpha after four years?
Anyways, it sounds like they want to make another action game but their publisher won't let them.
Who in their right mind would build a game with action-game controls and movement and then bog it down with a stamina bar
>>335907420
You can go around them and plunge attack the guy behind boxes to prevent him from calling in his gank buddies. You can use the Shark spirit to get an enemy radar to spot ambushes.
>>335907630
Which still has nothing to do with the plain fact that it's silly for enemies in 1-1 to one-shot you in your default state.
Not because it's too hard, not because "wahh I can't get past the first enemy!" because it's poor design and will absolutely scare away players.
I'm really not a graphics whore, but damn this game looks terrible.
I also thought that the level design was very poor.
It feels like one of those Playstation 2 era niche titles that only 50 people in the world have played to be honest
Also, i think that some of the mechanics in this game are a good example of kitchensink development, with the stupid Diablo lootsystem, equipment breaking after 20 minutes of gameplay, so you're expected to just pick up whatever you find and go with it
"Oh hey, every game nowadays has a leveling system, so we need that in the game, and every game nowadays also has base building so we need that as well, and how about resource management minigames? Every AAA title has this!"
Why can't game developers just stick to the core theme?
Didn't know what i was expecting considering it's Team Ninja and all, and they're notorious for making clunky shit games, but i have to wonder why they didn't cancel the game and instead developed it for 8 years. Seems nonsensical considering how how it looks and feels. Animations are also terrible to be honest. It's 2016 and they couldn't have mo-capped this?
>>335903540
Gameplay is faster than Soul and crazy deep. Loot will be toned down in the actual game. So many stances and combat situations and equal punishes. 60 FPS on a PS4 despite being alpha. Deep stamina system that's fair for both you and foes and reward skill. TN nailed RPG mechanics on their first RPG. There's more system and gameplay explanation than in any Soul game (provided you can even get to the message explaining them or read the menu)
Game is fantastic and much less Soul than anyone expected.
>>335903151
>getting hit
>ever
Low stance was made for shitters that don't know how to block, like_me
>>335907749
wasn't asking for help, buddy. Please follow reply chains.
>>335907548
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/form/nioh_us
as far as we know dlc is the award for the first mission
>>335907659
for people who can't play ninja gaiden/devil may cry
>>335907770
>It's 2016 and they couldn't have mo-capped this?
Nigger, mocap is expensive.
>>335907659
Ask FROM
>>335907770
Delicious pasta.
>>335907486
Ding Ding Ding.
Generally you can get in 2-3 medium swings in while having enough to dodge out of harm's way. 1-2 heavy swings and then out.
If you fucking block a full string you're often setting yourself up for pain in the very near future.
NEVER SHOW THE ENEMY YOUR BACK. Every combatant in the game has a HUGE damage multiplier for hitting them in the back. Some (like the One Eyed Oni) also have another like their head or eye. If enemies are chasing you, like ninjas, and they get a combo on your back? You're dead.
Lock on to the enemy to enter strafe mode. To evade a rush, press X with no directional input to dash backward. Tapping it twice has a lowish stamina cost and get you pretty far.
If you dodge during a KI pulse (when your particles are closest to william) you'll get a special dodge with more i-frames and distance.
>>335907770
Don't post cartoon kids wearing dental floss.
>>335907770
It's a fucking alpha and it probably has as much budget as Demon Soul.
Considering that, it looks perfectly fine
>they're notorious for making clunky shit games
Is this bait?
>>335907754
The tard swings around his shit like a DS3 hollow swimming through syrup and he takes at least 2 hits to kill you from the front.
>>335907795
That wasn't giving help, that's asking you to use the baby mode radar so you can stop complaining about ambushes.
>>335903527
The reason souls players suck at it is because they're trying to play it like souls game, when that's how you get destroyed in this game.
>>335907140
F O O D A N A L O G I E S
>>335903540
DARK SOULS LITERALLY INVENTED POTIONS AND CHECKPOINTS
>>335907659
Late 2012, to be fair. Apparently this version that was put up on the store the other day is identical (With only slight changes to the HUD) to the one that a select few journalists were allowed to play at TGS in September last year, so it making the supposed October release date that a few retailers gave put it down for doesn't sound too crazy. Plus it's obvious from playing it that it doesn't have a massive team or budget behind it.I actually love the stamina management and the ki pulse system
>>335905607
>No one is enjoying Nioh
Actually many people are. Once you learn how stances work it's pretty fun.
>>335903642
>"waah a game is 2hard4me"
>"levelling up is for casuals"
>>335907952
Except if you'd bothered to read the reply chain like I asked you then you'd realize I wasn't complaining about ambushes either.
I guess reading is too hard for you.
>>335907219
who wouldn't want more ninja gaiden?
>>335907952
I don't understand why people are having so much trouble with that first guy. He's so fucking stupid with his swings, I think he's actually a unique retard in the demo. All the other guys don't swing like him.
>>335907795
low is amazing, just need seemless side step into stance change
>>335908072
>it's not a problem because it's "hard," it's not hard at all
>it's a problem because it will scare away players
>proceeds to post tips for beating easy opponent, completely ignoring the point
You people do understand that there are objections to design that DON'T come out to "it's too hard!" right?
>>335908151
All the bandits and footies swing like untrained peasants. Only the fully armored samurai swings with the same moveset as you do, but they swing like rabid dogs so they usually exhaust themselves the moment they finish their strings.
>>335908217
Just experiment. There's a lot of smooth transitions from low into meatier swings.
>>335908220
>It scares casuals away
But thats exactly what I want. Dark Souls went mainstream and it turned into shit.
>>335908249
The real professionals are the ninjas and the level 20+ revenants.
>>335908306
Production values require a sizeable audience to maintain.
>>335908220
alpha
>>335908306
It may be what you want but I'm pretty sure Team Ninja and TK want the game to, you know, sell.
If they think they can just ride the Dark Souls "it's so hard!" train they've got another thing coming. Inviting that comparison is a terrible fucking idea.
>>335906720
Razor's Edge was shit and so was Z.
>>335908249
Like the first samurai up the hill, just in front of the mansion.
Always let them burn through their stamina and then go in with your Ki Killing string. They'll be out of breath quick and subject to the grapple move or heavy swings.
Also, deflecting is a default move for Mid Stance Katanas. Just block the moment an attack would hit to have them bounce off you, draining a ton of their stamina.
For the observant: Tailor your attacks to the stance their in (look at their weapon position). Using High Stance against someone using Low is fucking dumb, for example.
>>335908261
>smooth
Faster than without ki pulse stance shift, sure, but I wouldn't call any of the transitions in this game smooth. That's one of my biggest problems with the game, how stilted the animations are and how long it takes to get to cancel windows
>>335908475
they can settle for demon souls
>>335908573
Agreed. Everything seems to have a delay to it.
Healing, stance switching, weapon switching. If it felt as quick as Dante's Weapon/Style switching in DMC4 it'd be fucking amazing.
>>335908628
DeS is actually the one they were openly citing as a primary influence, unsurprisingly (Which makes sense, given the level formatting).
>>335908496
>Razor's Edge was shit
>>335908573
They're obviously trying to balance for PvP with it, which is a mistake.
PvP is going to be parry spam anyway.
>>335908049
This.
Also matchmaking while naked and punching mobs to death is hilarious.
>mfw pulling as many mobs as i can in the path outside nue whenever i get matched at the 2nd shrine
>>335903470
Just play monster hunter.
>>335908772
>actually co-oping
Have you managed to beat a single one of the bosses?
>>335908748
>PvP
god why
>>335908674
think you should be able to buffer healing from recovery but the idea of speeding up heal turns it to souls shitty PvP
>>335908723
>Razors edge was not shit
>>335908496
Z was horrible shovelware, but NG3RE was objectively vastly superior in terms of gameplay to the most meme'd game '13 Metal Gear RR.
>>335908748
can't parry everything if oni is an indicator
So I'm against the big oni on the ship and sometimes I can block his spinning move but other time I can't, why is that?
This game will probably have no replay value to speak of. It's going to have like 10 levels and since there's only 3 weapon types there really isn't that much to do
>>335908858
No, healing is fucked. There's been too many times where I've pressed up and nothing happens.
It's tied to the same system slowing down everything else. He's just bizarrely slow at switching.
Enemies are too fast and aggressive to have healing this slow.
>>335908947
No, but you can parry anything a human player can dish out.
After dying so much that I've completely lost count I've basically nailed down my strategy to make the demo ezpz mode, prioritize wearing heavy armor while maintaining the weight limit below 70% over everything else. So the main stats to dump your points on is Stamina to not only boost weight limit but also an alternate way to upgrade health, secondary stats to boost is the minimum stat requirement to wear the heavy armor without penalty. After achieving below 70% load in heavy armor dump whatever stats you want because you can now take hits like a fucking boss.
>>335903151
lol.
git gud.,
>>335909074
This was my strategy. I'm at 62 or 64% equip load and can afford to take some hits.
You get too few i-frames in this game to rely solely on evasion.
>>335909074
> tanking
shamfur dispray
I haven't played around with it much but has anyone been able to consistently countrr in unarmed mode? My first kill on a revenant was unarmed but I've had trouble replicating the timing.
>>335909179
>You get too few i-frames in this game to rely solely on evasion.
Low stance, under 30%, nothing will ever hit you.
That said, second level, you get a shitton of Skill-based armour that'll boost you to link 300 defense and still remain under 30%.
>>335904814
I hate it because I hate people who take other peoples things and flaunt it as their own and get adulation for it. That's why I fucking hate carlos mencia.
>>335908832
Yeah, quite a few times but only if they've fought nue beforehand though as every single first timer dies to the lightning strikes. He's actually really easy for me now and i usually solo him while they run around.
>>335908861
Monumentally shit taste. Razor's Edge still has garbage bosses and the core game is still quite flawed.
>>335909271
this, high defense armor drops.. only downside is low durability
>>335903642
Nice one
>>335909375
Your opinion is false and mine is right. Fuck off.
>>335907835
Nice. I just finished the survey. Here's hoping they take the feedback people give to heart.
>>335909179
you get i-frames when you dodge just after attacking, your choice is i-frames or getting you ki back with a pulse
Dare I say that this game is what Lords of the Fallen wished it should have been as a Souls clone?
>>335908832
Co-op goes bad in a few key areas:
#1 People running into the mansion area.
#2 People getting killed by the Ninja Oni in the burning village (when there's a way that bypasses that entirely)
#3 The motherfucking boss in the ship. They ALWAYS get one-shot by the cannonball
I consider it mission accomplished if I get them to unlock the ladder shortcut or the second or third shrine.
>>335909441
Well, here's hoping that they're smart enough at design instead of just looking for the most frequently requested/complained about things.
But I don't have that much hope for them.
>>335909560
>People getting killed by the Ninja Oni in the burning village (when there's a way that bypasses that entirely)
Hah, every time.
>Gestures don't work
>Try to show them the back way
>"Nah Imma go the front way though"
>[Invoker has died. Returning to world...]
What's the best way to get a good weapon to fight the oni, the one I have do almost no damage.
>>335909667
Yup, every goddamn time. Even though it's a blatant trap.
>item out in the open
>two walls
>no enemies visible
...
>>335909798
The Oni tend to give good drops, just take your time, your first few will probably actually take you a little while.
>>335909585
Well yeah, it isn't always the thing lots of people directly complain about that is the real problem, this is true.
>>335909798
Best way to do damage to an oni is pop an elemental amulet and go ham with medium and light attacks to destroy their stamina. KI Pulse to prevent them from opening Yokai gates and restoring it.
A good way of getting good shit is killing Revenants that have Purple (top tier) weapons.
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>>335905092
>team ninja makes a hard fast paced game like they always have been doing.
>waah they're making a dank souls ripoff!
/v/ is fucking retarded.
>>335909942
Wait so dead enemy phontoms drop shit base on their gear they wear?
>>335909861
>>335909942
I'm talking about the boss on the ship, sorry
>>335908345
>>335908475
Here is the thing though. The developers said they wanted to make a ''hardcore'' difficult game. That doesn't translate to ''we want to sell millions'' otherwise they would make a more casual easy game like Ninja Gaiden 3 vanilla.
So if they go with this direction that means the budget of the game is not high because risk has to be low and their sales expectations are also not high.
>>335907260
Not our fault that you can't kill the FIRST enemy, fag
wow i beat the game and switched off of movie mode. World of difference. This should be the default mode desu
>>335908971
I had the same healing problem as you until I switched to action mode for better framerate. Now controls are a lot more responsive.
>>335910128
Run through the area multiple times, put on gear that increases equipment drop rate, fight Revenants.
The purple gear in that area will do damage to him. But he just has a shitload of health. That's my issue with the game. Demons have absurdly inflated health, even when using elemental buffs and the living weapon.
>>335910160
It's a game that has been in development hell since the PS3 era. They probably just gave them a small budget and told them to salvage what they can. If it's a niche success like Dark souls, they can bank abit more money into it for the sequel and if isn't, they can kill it off for good.
>>335910317
I'm in action mode. Same problem persists. It's something I've seen echoed elsewhere. The D-pad commands take a very deliberate press.
>>335907770
>"Oh hey, every game nowadays has a leveling system, so we need that in the game, and every game nowadays also has base building so we need that as well, and how about resource management minigames? Every AAA title has this!"
Did you forgot that this, is actually, an action rpg?
>>335910424
SHUT UP
>>335910338
You do realize that all Youkais can be perma-stunlocked once their Ki is gone right? And different guardian have different types of living weapons with Shark being the best for boss damage?
>>335910160
>the budget of the game is not high
motherfucker it's been in development since 2004, they've already sunk the budget of multiple games into this thing.
If you think they want it to be a niche game that sells less than 100k you're insane
>>335910424
Get rid of the levelling rpg mechanics, what does Ni Oh lose? Think about it.
>>335910472
>perma-stunlocked
Not really. You don't have infinite stamina.
"Infinite Stunlock" refers to what happens in co-op where you nuke an oni's stamina and don't allow them to create a gate to regain it.
In reality, it's only as long as you have stamina. And in this game, that's not very long.
>>335910472
Don't tell me what to do, faggot. I know about Isonade.
I also know that trying to stunlock a fucking Ninja Oni that empties my Ki with a single blocked combo string is fucking fantasy.
>>335907591
You're very naïve, aren't you.
>>335910503
Plus they channelled quite a bit of money into the tie-in film that never left pre-production. As the other guy said, from playing Nioh, it's clear it doesn't have a big team or a huge budget behind it.
KT and TN will be overwhelmingly happy if this bags 500k sales.
>>335910553
Good point. This would be much better as a pure Action game. No leveling junk to fiddle with. Just pure stance and skill unlocking awesome ala DMC.
>>335908793
monster hunter combat feels like fucking garbage
>>335910724
No, I'm just not a smug, ignorant cynic like yourself.
As mentioned by reporters, we're playing what they played at TGS last year. This is fucking old.
>>335910503
> they've already sunk the budget of multiple games into this thing.
For Duke Nukem Forever we know they literally completed the game twice before scrapping them. For Nioh we dont know if they went through the same process. They could have scrapped 2 prototypes instead of full games.
>>335910724
this is actually an extremely old build. release isnt for a long time, they wont pay a buch of artists and programmers to sit on their asses for 8 months, believe me, this game will change a good amount
>>335910603
If you use the High stance, you can Ki pulse your regular combo into a finisher and than Ki pulse your finisher back into a regular combo to gain back 80% of your stamina. I think I got off 3 of those combos before I pop my living weapon to kill him.
>>335910776
They are definitely not aiming for a pure action game with the importance of stamina management and the shit ton of stats that goes around into fiddling with your character. It defintely exceeds even DeS1 in terms of stats to fiddle with and Guardian spirits,ninjitsu and magic helps diversify the builds
>>335911105
I'll try this out right now. Doing KI Pulse stance change never got me 80% of my stamina back. That sounds a little ridiculous, especially on High Stance.
>>335910503
Don't tell me you actually believe they have been coding and making assets non stop for more than 10 years and paying for it anon. If the first iteration of the game doesn't work they put it on hold for a couple of years and then try again later. This a common practice. And we all know the majority of a games budget is on the marketing. There is no money to spend if there is no proper game to show.
>>335908949
The chain is blockable, the iron balls aren't
>>335911640
You mean when he picks up the balls and throws them? Thats not blockable?
>>335911640
Alright, thanks
>>335911789
I dont think so. But to be honest I am glad you cant. I mean he is hauling that giant bolder and you are going to what, block it with your tiny Katana or a wooden Shaft?
>>335911789
glancing throws are blockable. head on throws are not.
>>335903642
Why do you kill the non-bosses if they don't further your progress? Casual...
>>335911310
>Don't tell me you actually believe they have been coding and making assets non stop for more than 10 years and paying for it anon
Of course not, but they've already been through at least two development cycles that they had to throw out.
They also spent a good deal on a companion movie that was never finished
This can't afford to sell like a Senran title
Just beat the demo at my frends place.
Iv played and enjoyed every souls game and my first one was Daemons Souls.
I like Nioh better than DSIII.
Its fresh and fun.
And actually challenging.
Not you lose shit wen you die challenging but legit you have to be good to win challenging.
I imagine people who still haven't realized that souls games are actually medium difficulty games and the only real difficult part to them is the save system.
And are getting wrecked by niohs actual difficulty.
>Gonna driver over to my little brother and play Niho on his PS4 today
I fucking hope this game kicks my ass
After playing 4 souls games they aren't really that challenging anymore
God knows im gonna fill out that survey and and check out every box that makes the game harder to get "souls fans" AKA reddit as far away form this game as possible.
>>335911789
Both him throwing it and him swinging them when still attached can't be blocked. You gotta either stay close and block the chain or just run like hell outta the way.
>>335911105
Just tried this shit, holy fuck this is wild.
>>335912510
>God knows im gonna fill out that survey and and check out every box that makes the game harder to get "souls fans" AKA reddit as far away form this game as possible.
It wasn't just Reddit, most imageboards and forums (Including here) were whining en masse initially when they went into it thinking they could play it exactly like Souls/BB and were brought crashing down to earth when it became apparent that shit wouldn't fly in Nioh.
>>335912785
Shit flies fine, you just gotta play by the rules.
You're acting like you're forced to play this game hyper-defensively or something, when there's shitload of freedom in approaches.
>>335905607
But I'm enjoying Nioh.
>>335912785
And that makes their tears even sweater
I really can't fathom how people are this stupid.
This is the exact same thing that happend when Dark souls was starting to become popular.
>>335913095
Yes, except it took people months to figure out Demon's/Dark Souls' rules.
Ni Oh was figured out in about a day. So it's got the headstart there.
I played through the demo and yet I still hunger for more. What did you guys do new build with maybe another weapon or just tuck around combos and stuff
>>335903151
I don't know shit about Ni-Oh But isn't team ninja's thing making fuck-hard games like the ninja gaiden series? you could be killed in a few hits from the 1st enemies in the game.
>>335913314
New builds.
Just play through again trying to barehanded-parry everything (warning, practice IN armour before you do this bare-assed).
Co-op and see how far you can get the host before they Leeroy Jenkins and die to some dumb shit. Or just see them get one-shot by the bosses.
>>335907252
>he thinks art is a real thing and not just a buzzword
>>335903470
I found the second boss much easier than the first. I was able to beat it on my third try without taking any damage. The enemies outside were much more difficult.
>>335905092
its because he took off all his armor, which gave him a very low equip burden. If you're equipload is below 30% you can dash around as quick as hunters in bloodborne. It made the game much easier when I realized this imo.
>>335912404
Nioh really isn't that difficult, it's just that everybody is so used to dark souls R1 spamming that they get rekt trying that shit. Once you get the hang of it and play more strategically it's pretty simple and you can breeze through levels and bosses without getting hit.
>>335904959
That's because I typed it myself m8. I have a notepad of about 150 of my OC copypastas. It's much easier to copy paste something when I see the same shit thread again and again, rather than typing out the same thing over and over
>>335903470
Looks boring and repetitive as fuck. Like a bloodborne for retards.
Why can't they just make a true NG sequel
>>335917271
Well just like NG, bosses aren't the best part.
>>335918458
Bosses sucked in NG3 though, Crystal Skulls were literally the best thing about that game.
Alchemists a shit
>>335918816
NG is my favorite vidya franchise, but the bosses where always pretty bad
>>335904814
Thank you. All they did was use the formula of the souls games. If anything I'm enjoying Nioh more simply because of the setting. The weapon degredation rate is absurd though.
>>335904814
souls games are just more than combat. Exploration is a bgig part of them.
>>335919009
Doku was decentthe first few times at least, and 2 had some pretty decent ones, the gigantic ones are normally shit though
>>335907140
>this anon just had curry for dinner
don't deny it
>>335910553
>>335910776
BUT MUH SHURIKEN AND POSSIBLE NINJA ONLY BUILD
>>335919750
Weapon and armour durability seems fine once you start getting whetstones, also it's important to remember that blocking lowers durability on your weapon too. Different weapons last longer too, katanas have 200, spears have 300 and axes/hammers have 400.
>>335912974
I returned to a new Bloodborne playthrough and shit is slower
>>335906656
I guess Capcom never should have tried to make DMC3 after the failure that was 2. People should just give up after 1 failure.
>>335903527
The game doesn't have bugged mechanics
>>335921148
>Katanas have the lowest Durability
So much for their folded 1000 times meme
>>335909560
Ninja Oni, the one with the 2 swords that spins around like a retarded drunk?
