What went wrong?
Yo Sony... Yo yo YO YO YO SONY SLOW DOWN NIGGA
Whoa .... damn.. ..
>>335771918
Why should I believe so random nobody?
Hello, 911? I'd like to report a murder
What he is trying to say?
>>335772053
It´s official numbers from Sonys investors call you faggot
>>335771918
Good to see a fellow Gaffer in the midst :)
>random twitter troll
>no proof
/yawn
>>335771918
Sony wins again.
>Sony had a good gen
>Nintendo had a bad one
Wowee, there's a shocker. Real edifying shit there, Walter Cronkite.
it'd certainly explain the constant rock bottom software sales in japan, given they don't track digital sales
The most sold console on the planet which has pay4onlinePSNdoes better than the least selling console. Yup
>>335771918
Wii, Iwata, Miyamoto going senile, Brawl and Tr4sh
The only good Nintendo game in the last decade was SMG1 and 2.
>>335771918
>trusting Zhuge Liang
>>335771918
the power of paid online
they are literally selling electrons
>>335771918
Nintendo and Sony will release smartphone that come with a built in controller to compliment the NX platform and Sony's PS Now + legacy titles.
>>335772323
Splatoon
So how bad will the NX bomb, /v/?
>Post yfw NX bombs
>>335772386
Can't believe we're all paying for light. Fucken fiber internet xD
Sony is a monster this gen
>>335772386
Except this is digital game sales
>>335772323
Please put on a trip, i've got heart congenital disease and that much salt is dangerous to me
>>335771918
Sony won't use this cash to create some actual first party exclusives for their console
>>335772113
Gotta source, though?
>>335772536
saw that coming
>>335772860
>Nintendo
>first-party exclusiveS
I think you mean Zelda U.
I might be retarded, but isn't that only 5 million dollars, which seems really low?
>>335771918
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
>>335772248
Sony had 3 good gens out of the last 4 ones
Nintendo literally had only one good gen, with the weakest console they have produced.
But hey, Sony is the evil one.
>>335771918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtZ-rK349aY
>>335772053
>not believing literally the best strategist of all time
leave this place restless spirit of sima yi
>>335773102
The fuck are you on about? N64 and Wii U are the only 2 gens Nintendo really made a misstep. Even then, N64 and Wii U have a lot of great first party titles.
>>335772447
>Xperia Play with updated specs and a good library
Day one purchase
>nintendo
>still relevant
Why do you guys believe this? Literally no one but spergs, weebs and kids buys a wii/wiiU. Just let it die already. They've had a good run, but they can't even keep up with the other consoles anymore. All they have is their stupid gimmicks and jap games.
>revenue equals gross profits
Yeah, nah. Take an intro economics class you neet
isn't 500 million yen less than 5 million dollars
like wtf?
>>335772536
Why don't they mix it up and release a console with monster hardware, no gimmicks other than the console completely blowing the other two right out of the water, and then make up the difference with paid online, and guaranteed sales from their first party titles and make it attractive to third party devs by making coding for it as similar as you would for your standard PC game.
ITT: Why economics classes should be MANDATORY IN ALL PUBLIC SCHOOLS
>>335773568
Shhh, you are ruining this shitpost thread
>>335773000
>>335773568
So Nintendo made less than 5 mil last year?
The fuck
>>335773558
Fucking how? They lack everything modern "gamers" want. It's only a bunch of kids games and gimmicks. How the fuck could anyone expect them to sell anything?
>>335773623
Because Sony lost around 5 billion US dollar with the PS3 and Nintendo isn't stupid. Hell they made more than that with the Wii.
>>335773751
Yeah, but then it released at a weird time and had no games at all.
>>335772904
There is none. Don't you know any better than to expect something concrete from yet another console war shitposting thread?
>>335773841
You can stop trying to push your falseflag, friend. Especially funny considering you only caught your fellow sonyponies
>>335773925
The guy in the op's pic posted a link to the report.
>>335771918
>What went wrong?
Nintendo decided not to charge for internet like S and M does. being the good guy is a thankless job
>>335771918
Nintendo.
>>335773301
>GameCube was a success
>Dead last
>Huge losses
What are YOU on about?
>>335773000
>>335773568
>>335773678
he fucked up is 500 Billions yen (500.000.000.000 Y) not 500 Millions yes (500.000.000)
at the 100 y = 1 USD conversion for dummies, 500B Y = 5 Billions USD
Why is this surprising?
They've sold like 5 times the consoles, and a subscription is mandatory if you want to play online.
>>335773301
Gamecube was price cut to like 100 bucks 2 years in. It was a massive failure
>>335775421
>>Huge losses
Hey there, you seem to have made a mistake in your shitpost. Gamecube was profitable the whole way trough
Just pointing it out for the next time
>>335775612
No it wasn't. See ya.
>>335773626
Shit the yen is getting stronger, I should get the psn cards yen to buy P5 now rather than later.
>>335775662
Except it was.
>>335775443
You realise that those numbers are even more ridiculous, i hope?
>>335775818
this is misleading too, cause this is raw sales
think of it as lemonade stand. you sell lemonade at 10$
this will be counting the 10$ (net sales) but what a company really cares for is Operating income that means the NET sales minus the costs (stand/ lemons/ sugar/ water/ glass)
PSN has more sales but you will have to deduct royalties to 3rd parties, servers costs. etc
>>335775980
You're talking about gross sales, chum. Net income is what you get after you deduct your overheads and junk.
>>335776618
Yes? reread the OP and come back to us
>>335771918
Having Nintentoddlers as a fanbase.
Doomed from the start.
>>335776618
>You're talking about gross sales, chum. Net income is what you get after you deduct your overheads and junk.
dont you try to school me when I read the info straight from the investors page, not some faggot online that called those 500 B profit
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/160428summary/index.html
also >>335776186
>>335771918
Paid online.
>>335776819
>>335776909
>completely missing the part where the post I replied to claimed that the operating income of a business is net income minus overheads despite the fact that net income is what you get after you've deducted all the overheads from the GROSS income
>>335771918
And now Sony is going to go for the throat of their consumers.
Give them an inch...
>>335777101
u still stupid or what?
twitter fag is talking about NET SALES. not operating income
how retard are you?
>>335773623
>he fell for the good hardware = good games meme
>>335777172
>this will be counting the 10$ (net sales) but what a company really cares for is Operating income that means the NET sales minus the costs (stand/ lemons/ sugar/ water/ glass)
Jesus fucking Christ, analyse this sentence and tell me what's wrong with it.
>>335777759
t. sonygger
>>335771918
I love PSN. Amazing service.
>>335777105
Does it come with a power cord?
>>335772053
ZhugeEX has been the top source for console shit for years.
>>335778339
>ZhugeEX has been the top source for console shit for years.
thts sad given how wrong he is tho
>>335776186
>>335773626
>japan is doing a planned economy hybrid, the government deciding what kinds of businesses are allowed to get loans
>japanese economic wonder, from zero to leader, scientists baffled
>USA insists that they convert to free market instead
>country starts tumbling down
>it is the only place in the world with more dept compared to the size of its economy than the USA now
fuggg :D
>>335775612
Gamecube wasn't profitable it ate into the GBA's success
Same with how Wii U is eating into 3DS's success
>>335771918
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/15q4_sonypre.pdf
Directly from Sony's financial report. Their FY2015 game division sales were 13.7 billion dollars.
SONY
ALWAYS
WINS
>>335779108
>Sales increased 11.8% year-on-year (a 10% increase on a constant currency basis) to 1,551.9 billion yen (13,734 million U.S. dollars).
I honestly feel kind of bad for Nintenyearolds right now.
>>335779609
Nintendo sales decrease but his operating income increased.
sales dont matter if you are spending more than what you make (reason why PS3 sank em 5 Billions americans dollars)
why you post on shit You dont understand??
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/15q4_sonypre.pdf
>>335779489
>SONY
>ALWAYS
>WINS
except on PS3, PSP and VITA
>>335779917
>Sales only matter when Nintendo is winning!
Even tho The overall raw sales (NET SALES) went down from , Nintendo manage to make more out of em (Gross Profit, Operating Income) than past year.
Despite that," Even though operating income increased by 8.1 billion yen compared to the prior fiscal year, mainly due to foreign exchange losses totaling 18.3 billion yen, ordinary income was 28.7 billion yen."
TL:DR, Nintendo did better than last year (spent less than what it sold) but investors made less money.
>>335779985
>i cant into real talk so lets better meme it
out
>>335779958
PSP was a big success, just not as big as the DS
>>335780084
Fuck off, weeb.
>>335779958
To this day the PSP is still the greatest handheld
The ps3 held strong last gen
Meanwhile whatever Nintendo makes just fails all around.
>>335781032
PSP sold as port machine, the games sales were shit, ergo it overall was on red all its life
>>335781091
PS3 same case, no matter how you paint it, it was a disaster for the company. also whatver nintendo makes always goes in the black, even WiiU
>>335773301
cmon man gamecube wasnt a success by any standard
>>335773094
ALL LEAST DURING THE GAMECUBE ERROR NINTENDO WASN'T COVERED IN THEIR OWN SHIT.
>>335771918
Not trying to defend Nintendo or anything, but is he comparing the total revenue for a single product/service to the operating cost of an entire company?
That's like saying I generated more revenue than Nintendo by selling Mario Kart on ebay because they lost money that year.
>>335773623
Beca6se its 3 years too late for that. Normies already have chosen they platform, they arent going to buy a nintendo just because it has more power
>>335781958
he is right... kinda but he mistook million yens with billions yens adn I cant find the data for the 529M PSN only. as sony ussually himself dont split sales that detailed
We did it neogaf!
>>335778460
Everyone knows the free market is a complete scam. The problem is that the people who have the power to change it are either the people running the scam, or people who work for them.
>>335777105
They'll make two versions of each game. No one is getting left behind.
>>335781290
>90 million sales
>shit
They took a huge chunk out of Nintendo's monopoly on the handheld market.
The PSP with CFW is the best handheld ever made.
Inb4 3DS shitters
>>335782830
>They took a huge chunk out of Nintendo's monopoly on the handheld market.
this is mobile, PSP was an emulator machine.
>>335771918
Nintendo is retarded.
I bet that NX will be another underpowered mario and zelda console and nintendo will wonder why no one is buying their shit console with no 3rd party support.
>>335782882
>mobile being a factor in 2004
Get out kid
>75% of that was from PS+ subscriptions
>Gross sales = profits
>>335781958
Total revenue of PSN vs. total revenue of Nintendo as a whole. He isn't comparing profits, just how much stuff two game businesses sell.
>>335782404
It's the Network category.
>>335778518
The hardware sold at a gain like every Nintendo console until the Wii U. GC was profitable you massive retard, between it and the GBA they made more money than Sony did on the PS2 despite it outselling both Nintendo's platforms combined.
>>335771918
Based Shu telling it how it is.
>Yet Sony's stocks are still in the shitter and their fiscal reports don't look too rosy
They might make millions, but they blow 80% of it on marketing at this point.
>>335771918
ignoring the fact that he is wrong (is 504.4 BILLIONS yens) and that I cant find any source for the PSN sales.
its a sad realization that likely all that money is the mandatory subscription.
PS4 has about 35-40M units sold.
going by the lowest denominator possible (Blacks Ops 3 PS4 sales = 13M) that means at least 13M PS4 user had to buy PS4 to pay for online.
that is 13M x 50$ online = 650M $
Sony PSN overall (I guess this includes games and PS+) was 5290M$ (more or less rule of thum exchange Yen to USD)
that means 13% of that sales was only PS4 Black Ops Players.
a more realistic number (about 25M users) means 1250M = 23.6
this mean 1/4 of all the money sony made online the past year was people paying for the right to use online for games.
>>335783719
You forget to mention that sony is an healty company and nintendo is doomed since 1812
>>335783507
yeah, found it some minuts ago. still is not something I would write home about tho.
see >>335783719
also, I have a doubt. when Sony sells a game on their network
out of the 60$, they count in all the 60$? or just they royalty share?? (like 7$) ???
>>335783824
>sony is an healty company
tell that to any bank or money loaner in japan, Good luck
>>335783176
>Annual Operating Profit:
>Sony Games & Network: 88.7 billion yen
>Nintendo: 32.8 billion yen
Yeah, about that.
>>335783879
it was irony
>>335782698
No, they won't.
>>335783957
>>Sony Games & Network: 88.7 billion yen
free PS+ subscription money
>>335775219
someone needs to be fired at Nintendo for losing them that much money.
>>335783985
The third party baseline will still be the fucking Xbone. How much "improvement" do you think the Neo versions will get?
>>335773925
You're an idiot. This guy covers everything investor-oriented and provides links to almost all of it.
>>335782698
>They'll make two versions of each game
yeah, cause we all know 3rd party loves extra work on extra ports...
PFFFFF
>>335773301
>Gamecube
>Success
Top kek, GB was even more anally devastated by Sony than the N64. It literally sold less than 1/5 of the PS2 total sales.
Why is it going so bad for sony if they are earning so much money? Is it because their electronics department?
>>335784136
That hardly qualifies as a new version, though.
And I don't think there'll be much improvement. Considering most developers these days rather have good graphics than a stable framerate, it most likely won't even be worth it.
>>335784243
>make money on ps4
>launder it or some shit on emoji movie
They should hang the whore in charge of Sony pictures and just sell all that shit.
>>335784213
The only thing that matters to a business is profit.
Gamecubes were a lot cheaper to manufacture than PS2s
>>335784213
>153 million vs. 21.74
Try 1/7 of the PS2 total sales.
>>335784201
All multiplats sell more on PS4, why wouldn't they make more sales? Hell, this might kill Xbox development for certain smaller multiplats
>>335784243
Because Sony is a shit company.
>>335784305
Sony's gaming division hasn't made a net profit in some time.
http://fortune.com/2016/04/28/sony-annual-profit/
>PROFITS MORE THAN QUADRUPLED
>PROFITS MORE THAN QUADRUPLED
>PROFITS MORE THAN QUADRUPLED
>>335783679
>>335784243
It's because their TV/Film and production, music and TV technology division are fucked, the display contracts with Apple are in sketchy territory (Apple's considering even just buying out a company that does the other half) and even that number of networking making more than the whole of Nintendo as a company is a pittance compared to when Sony was an absolute monster of a Zaibatsu who could make a billion dollars in a week back in 2000.
The whole "4K Push" including the PS4K is to get the company in line and try raise other divisions to the profits the PS4 is making.
The easy answer is that their TV and Film division is a fucking trainwreck greenlighting flop after flop and they should have either sold it or spun it off from the company. But it holds far too much power on the board to ever get rid of. It's just a leech.
>>335783824
>>335783879
man the fucking irony of it all is that sonys cash based business in nip land are do super duper well and solid and if all else were to fail sony would just become like a insurance company or something with no electronic shit.
sony is and has been in a weird place for ages mang
because Nintendo solely runs on first party titles. and the next first party game for WiiU comes in 2 years. and they actively sabotage third party releases so any news about any third party support with NX should be taken with a grain of salt
on the other hand, sony doesn't even need first party titles. they dropped vita like an ugly baby and it still keeps selling games
>>335784384
but no games and supporting a rapist for #FreeKesha
>>335784243
>Why is it going so bad for sony if they are earning so much money?
Nothing is going badly for them. They're profitable as a company and as a single Games division.
Wow das a rotta ren
>>335771918
Nintendo stopped releasing games
>>335784367
>, why wouldn't they make more sales
why would they make extra work is sony just kept PS4???
so instead of selling 10M of 1 port now they have to make 2 ports, double cost for the same 10 millions split among 2 machines.
yeha, they sure will love that.
>>335779958
>PS3
It lost in terms of sales, but won in terms of games. It's basically the best home console to own from last generation.
>PSP
Sony was never as good as Nintendo in terms of handhelds. Still, the PSP was actually a big sucess and it probably has better games than any Nintendo handheld
>Vita
I will give you that
For you lazy fucks.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/15q4_sonypre.pdf
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2016/160427e.pdf
>>335771918
Neo-Nintendo mentality final caught up.
Feels fucking good if you ask me.
>>335784372
>Sony's gaming division hasn't made a net profit in some time.
But that's wrong. For awhile it was the only branch not posting loses.
>bragging about ripping people off with paid online
I somehow ended up in the worst timeline
>>335772323
i.... i agree. What about... Mario kart 8?
>>335784526
well lad, is not as if Nintendo is a games only company..geez I bet you are into something more deep than this obvious comparison.
>>335783827
lol anon
most companies take 30% of the price. It would be $20 per $60 game
>>335771918
Thanks for the reminder, I was just about to cancel my subscription.
>>335784538
Sony's gaming division has been posting tiny profits for a few years (although it did post a loss in 2013).
However, nothing has even come CLOSE to making up for the $3.3 billion loss on the PS3.
>>335784390
>The easy answer is that their TV and Film division is a fucking trainwreck greenlighting flop after flop and they should have either sold it or spun it off from the company. But it holds far too much power on the board to ever get rid of. It's just a leech.
They are finally realizing this though. They finally fucking cut Adam Sandler loose.
>>335784486
PS3 had about the same amount of sales as 360 at the end of the life cycle. Numbers are in the toilet because MUH CELL TECHNOLOGY though
>>335784538
Really? I'm surprised they managed to crawl out of that money pit, it was only ten years ago they lost like $1,6 billion in a year.
>>335784616
I never said it didn't. I said it was stupid to say their games division hasn't made a net profit when it has for several years.
>>335784604
>games only
>amiibo sale sup the ass
They might as well be a toys company at this point.
>>335784635
They sold 17m PS4s last year. 14m the year before that
>>335782476
NO DON'T YOU TALK SHIT BOUT MUH FREEDOMS MUH GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO CLAP.
>>335784635
I mean it's not like they are doing well, it's just that they are actually making a little money on games while they are losing money on movies and music in other divisions.
I'm not sure how they are doing on hardware but I do know Sony TVs are not the commodity they use to be and someone else in this thread is saying they may lose their big contract with apple.
>>335784629
Ps3 is still being sold
>Sony forces paid online for new gen
>Nintendo doesn't
>Sony makes more money off of it
WHAT A SHOCKER
>>335784305
>Gamecubes were a lot cheaper to manufacture than PS2s
Doesn't matter. PS2 was the most successful console in gaming history while Gamecube was the Nintendo console with the worst sales besides the Wii U.
>>335784606
>most companies take 30% of the price. It would be $20 per $60 game
you are mistaking PSN or XBL with gamestop or GAME
pic related
>>335771918
>That inferiority complex
Reminds me of 8ball
>>335784692
>Sony PS+ up his ass
they might as well be a ISP at this point.
you are some kind of special retard.. arent ya?
>>335784629
>PS3 had about the same amount of sales as 360 at the end of the life cycle.
Name two worthwhile exclusives on the Xbox 360.
>>335784778
towards >>335783719
>>335784635
They won this console generation simply by virtue of not fucking up as bad as MS or Nintendo. I mean, most people don't even view Nintendo consoles are competing with the other 2 anymore. They don't get multiplats and the first party library has been weak since the GC era. Only hardcore Nintendo fans by Wii Us and those same people are still just as likely to get a PS4 or Xbone because there is almost no overlap in the games they play.
Then MS shot itself in the foot with their "Always online, always have a camera connected" bullshit. Didn't matter if they rolled back on all that, they lost the trust of many consumers forever.
All Sony had to do was make a halfway decent console (ie stronger than the Wii U) that didn't violate privacy like the original Xbone proposal and they had won. They even basically said that, something like "All we had to do was go up there and say 'We're not doing what Xbox is doing'".
>>335784824
>Doesn't matter.
No, dude. It's YOUR post that doesn't matter.
Yeah, I'm really sure Ferrari are weeping tears at the fact that they don't sell as many cars as Toyota.
It's about profit, not total number of units solid. If you sell less units, but make more per unit, there's no problem.
>>335784824
and they were still losing money over their gaming devision
>>335784896
Dunno, I didn't own one. Just saying that 360 ruled the sales forever until after the PS3 slim came out and caught up at the end with exclusives and cheaper hardware.
Are economics 101 threads video games? Because in this thread you fucking discuss pay checks of video game companies, not their video games. And usually these threads are full of shit even retard like me can identify as bullshit, stop embarassing yourself.
>>335784934
You aren't posting any real numbers though. Do you know much profit Nintendo made with the GB compared to Sony?If not, that's pure speculation
>>335784885
Nah. Their best division is financing. They should should go all out on insurance.
>>335784956
>Sony
>Losing money in the early 00's
Wew lad
>>335784778
Nintendo also still had a joke of an online with no chat functions, no group chats, no easy to navigate friends list that is easy to add friends and random players to, ect.
Nintendo's online services suck. It's a big reason they've been left in the dust. They only just recently implemented an account system so that downloaded games aren't lost forever if the console breaks and even then it's still a huge fuckign hassle. God forbid they do what everyone else does and let us make an account, with a simple name we choose that people can then easily add with just that name or from playing a game with me.
>>335784624
They got an excuse with that Netflix movie being really shit and such a massive flop it triggered a clause in Sandler's production company contract that let them dump him. But they are still set for some really bad movies for a long time like that Emoji movie. Sony Pictures is still a wreck and had much deeper problems that will take longer to fix.
The Playstation is doing fine but it's not making the money Sony needs to be making to get out of the hole and cover the operating costs. They need every division to be firing on all cylinders like the early 00's. That's why they are a creating getting a "4K Push" and a PS4 Neo because their nightmare scenario is your PS4 sitting under a LG TV next to a Samsung 4K Blu-Ray Player. They need all your products to be Sony products
>>335772053
It's straight out of both financial reports, but anyways, ZhugeEX is about as a legit as it gets. He's on twitter like literally 24/7 tweeting out various sales and gaming tidbits, charts, sales data, etc. He also has some kind of insider info as he usually tweets a lot of NPD info before the official releases come out.
Really glad I followed him (no shill)
>>335784390
>It's because their TV/Film and production, music and TV technology division are fucked,
Wrong, their TV division has been making a small profit for about a year now, which is as clear as day in their report, however for this report I haven't yet checked.
Also about their TV division is doing very well WW with selling shows like Better Call Saul to HBO and earning hundreds of millions from ad slots in the Indian IPL
Yes, their movie division is only making a small profit on shit like Hotel Transylvania 2 and whatever else because every big hitter they have isn't out for another year or so (The Dark Tower, Men in Black, Metal Gear Solid, Bond, Spiderman, Bloodshot/Harbinger, Venom, Ghostbusters is this year but that's a random chance.) You only have to look 3 years ago and Sony was no in Cinema for profit.
>billion dollars in a week back in 2000.
Sony never made a billion a week you're being facetious.
>The whole "4K Push" including the PS4K is to get the company in line and try raise other divisions to the profits the PS4 is making.
Wrong, seeing as finance and everything else bar mobile always makes money as it can sometimes and others can't but every single person in mobile is totally fucked except Apple and Samsung has lost marketshare, income, and everything else over and over and over every single quarter. Devices used to make a fuckton but it seems Apple is going to get a bunch of cameras from some other shitty Chinese source instead of Sony now because we know Samsung is still using them - I hope it backfires on them because Apple is as bad as Nintendo when it comes to the disgusting "charge a premium price and theyll think it's a premium product" garbage
>>335785026
>You aren't posting any real numbers though. Do you know much profit Nintendo made with the GB compared to Sony?
It's well known that Sony was selling the PS2 for a loss at $300 and the Gamecube was being sold for profit at $200.
If you look at the design of their respective motherboards, it doesn't take a genius to know why.
>>335785072
actually this year best division was games, but out of all games, and a quick math, PS+ subscription alone is 10% of all that
10% for a paywall to force people to get online features in games
>>335785272
>Sony never made a billion a week you're being facetious.
Yen
Will Sony ever, ever backtrack on having to pay to play online?
>>335785298
>actually this year best division was games
It really isn't.
Games:
Sales: 1551.9 b
Operating income: 88.7 b
Financing
Sales: 1073.1 b
Operating income: 156.5 b
Dude if I was a Sony fan, I would be so proud of my favourite company scamming its consumers by having them pay for their Internet all over again
#4daplayas
>>335785454
It will never stop printing money so no. Paid online is here to stay.
>>335785535
well, in raw sales, yes
but after expenses, Financing do, do better. tho
>being proud of paid online
jesus
>>335785285
>It's well known that Sony was selling the PS2 for a loss at $300 and the Gamecube was being sold for profit at $200.
That sounds pretty hard to believe. Any source to back your claim?
And yes, I heard that fallacy that Nintendo made more money than Sony on the 6th generation, however, this takes their handheld sales into account as well. Never seen anyone posting proof or source to back up the argument that the GB alone made more profit than the PS2.
>>335785660
Raw sales are nice to see from the outside but all the suits care about are profits and financing is where its at. Still, where the fuck does the financing money come from? There's no Sony bank or insurance company from what I can see, where I live at least.
>All these whiny faggots crying over paid online
>MFW I've been enjoying playing Nioh's demo online without a subscription
b..but Sony were supposed to go bankrupt!
>>335785298
>Still insisting that PS+ is nothing but a paywall for online
Nobody will ever take you seriously when you say that, senpai.
>>335785794
I think is insurances... or money laundering
>>335785906
It is exactly that.
>>335785794
>There's no Sony bank or insurance company from what I can see, where I live at least.
its all in japan where they do that stuff everywhere else is just purely electronics and they are a conglomerate so they may also be using different and better names suited to those business sectors as well
>>335785930
>Online
>Cloud services
>Bonus discounts
>Monthly games
>Automatic updates and shit
>IT'S LITERALLY JUST NOTHING BUT ONLINE GUYS PLEASE BELIEVE ME
Honest question, why the fuck do people still buy Nintendo consoles after the 64?People complain about the PS4 having few games but that was basically what happened with Nintendo consoles for decades.
Only reason to buy a N64 or GB over the PS1 and PS2 is if you're a total Mario/Zelda fanatic. As for the Wii, that's basically a gimmick console, even the 360 was a better choice.
>>335785824
good luck playing the full games on the same conditions
>>335785906
yeah, Im sure people would enjoy playing the solo campain on their 60$ yearly shoot.
oh, what is that. you want to play the online mode?? better shell out 50$ to sony so they let you enjoy a game mode on a game you already paid 60$ and said mode is the main reason to own the game on 1st place
>>335785978
>all in japan
I wonder why they don't expand seeing as to how good they're doing. Then again, I'm no insurance expert.
>>335785989
>>Online
paywall
>>Cloud services
nobody uses em
>>Bonus discounts
and you people shit on Valve.. HA HA
>>Monthly games
shovelware. this low is your standard
>>Automatic updates
wait, you actually have to pay for this?? HA HA HAH HA HAHAHH
>>335785989
Why not make those additional features an optional, paying subscription then and make online free?
Oh wait, it's because people don't give a shit about those features.
>>335786040
Read >>335785989 you idiot.
This is about insisting that PS+ provides nothing but online gameplay which only an idiot would claim to be the truth.
>>335786117
Your bait is too obvious, work on it.
>>335785989
>Things every single decent online service does for less
>Used to have a one up through GOOD free games but nothing but outdated fighters and shovelware now.
>WOW, WHAT A GREAT DEAL SONY!
And you people shit on Steam and Amiibos.
>>335786154
>Oh wait, it's because people don't give a shit about those features.
Bad bait, family.
>>335786198
>nothing but outdated fighters and shovelware now.
I know you have such a hateboner for Sony but you should really update your info.
>>335786159
prove it wrong, even if the other thing were right (PFFF) that dont erase the core of the problem: PS+ is a 50$ paywall to get access to any online feature a 60$ game might include
so if you paid PS+ for 1 game , that makes said game 110$ , and if you wanted to play it again the next year, makes it 170$ for 1 game.
>>335785989
>paying for cloud storage and updates
>>335778460
Don't forget to mention the tremendous degree of special treatment the US gives Japan when it comes to trade. There's a reason they haven't just reverted.
>>335786117
Is obviously they are not gonna be ok with it until nintendo uses it too.
>>335785762
>That sounds pretty hard to believe. Any source to back your claim?
I never said they made more money than Sony. All I said was that Nintendo profited in that generation, and not that far behind Sony.
Anyway here are your sources:
>Boosting production is a double-edged sword for Sony because the company loses money on each of the 128-bit game machines it produces.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/techreviews/games/2001-01-16-playstation2.htm
As for Gamecube, it was not publicly announced what Nintendo's profit margins are, but it is an open industry secret that Nintendo do not follow the "razor and blades" model of selling console hardware at a loss. The Wii U is the first time they ever did it.
Anyway, if you look at the Gamecube hardware vs PS2 hardware, you'll see that the Gamecube is very focused on efficiency. There are no wide motherboard memory buses or anything, no crazy propitiatory technology like Emotion Engine.
Hell, a third of the system's RAM (the audio RAM) is literally the absolute cheapest shit Nintendo could buy on the market. And yet the system had good performance since it was very efficient.
>>335784835
That graphic is talking about physical releases. I thought we were talking about digital since we were talking about the playstation NETWORK?
I work in the vidya industry anon. So far I've only released games on the xbone and steam, but I have friends who have told me nintendo and sony take all the same cut - 30%.
The only difference is how long they take to actually pay you.
>data source: onLive
kek
>>335786338
dont matter, Sony cut is only royalties, the sale of the product still goes to the publisher.
>>335786258
>prove it wrong
Prove what wrong? Your obvious bait where you dismiss everything in hopes of me actually taking the bait?
>so if you paid PS+ for 1 game , that makes said game 110$
Your logic is astounding. But then again, you're just baiting.
>>335786338
>I work in the vidya industry anon.
are you the mythical UNcle?
>>335786423
calling it bait just cause you cant refute my idea?? you would make a good religious zealot anon
Why can't we just enjoy the games both company have? I have a vita and 3DS and both have games I love to play.
Maybe because even with some issues, the PS store is lightyears ahead of Nintendo's online storefront
Nintendo is retarded, they could make easy bank if they threw every single NES, SNES, N64 etc. title that they possible could and charge a REASONABLE price in this day and age. Not fucking $8 for an SNES game.
>>335786534
You outright just said all PS+ games are shovelware, nobody uses any of the features, pulled in Steam for the additional discounts... You're just literally dismissing everything in order to "prove" how you pay for nothing but online.
> religious zealot
Nice meme :^)
This is your final (You)
>SOME GUY ON TWITTER SAID SOMETHING
>300 replies
twitter threads should be a bannable offense
>>335786883
im sure in theory they are, but mod love console war threads
>>335786418
Most publishers also get 30% with digital sales. Basically it's 30% publishers, 30% platform, 40% dev. This is pretty much the standard.
I've seen companies go bankrupt because of that.
>>335786474
I wish.
>>335786883
He pointed out a fact from an official report.
>>335786883
I'm sorry you were btfo
>>335771918
IT'S JUST NOT
FUCKING
FAIR
>>335786994
>Basically it's 30% publishers, 30% platform, 40% dev
now I know you are bullshiting your way
Post yfw you own a PS4
>>335787074
>gaffer
>im not biased tho
>>335787215
I wanna fuck Mistress PS4 while she's eating a taco and ignoring me
>>335787215
>Reports on others too
>He's biased I swear!!! FUCK
And they do it thanks to lies. God, sonyggers would eat up anything as long as it has the PS brand plastered on it.
>>335787282
reports for the sake of making comparison
yes, its called bias anon
>>335787292
Fox, grapes, etc.
>>335787282
do you expect me to take a gaffer seriously
>>335787404
If you're not biased, you'll take screenshots of all the retarded shitty threads on /v/ too.
>>335787404
Do you expect me to take a console wars inciting & shitposting 4channer seriously?
>>335787152
Jesus fuck dude why are you so hard to convince? Just google it and you'll see it's the way it works. What makes it so unbeliveable?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=steam+percent+cut
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/03/tim-sweeney-to-microsoft-universal-windows-platform-can-should-must-and-will-die/
>>335787484
>steam
PC cut =/= S M and N royalties cut.
>>335787474
>4channer
If you don't like this site you are more than welcome to leave newfag.
But you won't do that because 4chan is just where you go to shitpost because you can't easily ban evade on neogaf.
>>335787367
>point out bullshot
>w-well that's just sour grapes!
Do you even know what "sour grapes" means, dumbass?
>>335787610
We're talking digital, dumbo, it's the same. Why would it be any different?
Did you even check the second link in my post?
I'll highlight the important part:
>all UWP apps must be sold through the Windows Store where Microsoft takes a 30 percent cut
It's the same cut as the game store. Why would it be different?
I actually wish you were right though lol.
>>335771918
>PSN made more money than Nintendo
>Only during the financial year ending 31st March 2016, where Nintendo hasn't released anything substantial
This is a surprise how?
>>335787793
You're retarded.
>>335787710
Hey, Einstein! I'm on your side!
>>335787819
>he called me retarded
>>335787707
That image is kind of contradicting.
>>335787707
>But you won't do that because 4chan is just where you go to shitpost because you can't easily ban evade on neogaf.
You should stop projecting so hard dude.
I know you're mad getting banned on GAF but coming here doesn't solve anything.
>>335787793
r u 4 real?
>>335787793
>not releasing anything substantial for a year up to 31st March 2016
>still not releasing anything substantial until the end of the next fiscal year, 31st March 2017
I mean, Nintendo is doomed, this is a surprise how?
>>335787793
>Splatoon and Mario maker
>Not substantial
Okay bro
>>335787873
Logic and reason are nonexistent concepts on neogaf.
>>335787934
Not substantial in sales, that's for sure.
>>335787889
>calls posters 4channers
>i-im not from neogaf really!
Fuck off.
Post
>yfw you don't own a Wii U and your 3DS is hacked
>>335787949
That image made me chuckle.
>>335773389
This
>>335788000
What should I call a shitposting, console war inciting 4chan poster then? Pick a name for yourself, buddy.
Your projector is still on, by the way.
>>335787050
WHERE IS THE VIDEOGAMES
>>335787282
But he is.
