>An entire year until the NX launches
Kill me
11 months*
>no NX at E3
They're at least going to tell us what the fuck it is... right?
>>335704163
That particularly baffles me. It's like they want to do a total information lockdown until the very day the NX releases.
Did news outlets bad-mouth the WiiU the E3 after there was some hands-on experience with it?
>>335704163
>They're at least going to tell us what the fuck it is... right?
>>335703452
was something announced?
>>335704686
No NX at E3, launches March 2017. Zelda not exclusive to Wii U anymore, coming to NX too.
Zelda will be the only playable game at E3.
That's all there is.
>>335703452
>he wants a great console replaced by a smart phone that will literally end nintendo
>>335704932
are these just rumors or is it confirmed?
>>335705029
Confirmed nigger it comes from Nintendo's investor call.
>>335704981
>smartphone
[citation needed]
>>335703452
I can wait for 3 more years, a long as they do it right, but right now they are probably doing it wrong.
>>335704163
The NX is a state of mind. Games are just pamphlets with amiiboos.
You read the pamphlet, which is but a riddle, and you sit with your amiiboo on your lap and meditate on it. This is the game, and it is the most deepest game of all.
NX=Nirvana Xanadu
>>335704981
what great console?
>>335705279
Don't feel like it, I know it's true. You can find it in the stockholder report leak thing from last night
>>335704163
Best case scenario: Nintendo Spaceworld 2016 in July/August
Worst case scenario: Direct in December
Wow it is almost like Nintendo systems launch 5+ years after their predecessors like everyone has been telling you for months.
>>335705029
Confirmed by Nintendo themselves.
>literally one game at E3
Why are they doing this? Do they seriously think this is a good idea?
>>335703452
I honestly don't care when it's released as long as it has a good launch lineup of games.
>>335704981
>Wii U
>great console
The NX gets Zelda U at launch. It will most likely get Pikmin 4, a new Mario platformer, Excite Truck 2, and Retro's new game at launch as well. The things not even out, but it's library blows the Wii U's out of the water. Port the high profile Wii U games to NX, and the console is golden.
>>335706296
That's the only game they have.
its actually only 9 months from E3 and Nintendo refuses to show it at E3. Nintendo is the dumbest gaming company in existence. its just pitiful at this point.
>>335706296
One playable game at E3. They will announce/show other titles.
Here's the kicker:Nintendo aren't the ones announcing the NX at E3.
>>335706296
>literally one
THEY DID NOT ANNOUNCE THEIR OFFICIAL PLANS FUCKFACE
ONE GAME BEING PLAYABLE DOES NOT MEAN THEY WILL NOT ANNOUNCE MORE GAMES
>buying the NX
Have fun with mobile gaming, amiibos, casual games, and no more fzero, star fox, or metroid
>>335706560
>NX is short for Nintendo Xbox
fuck
>>335706403
It feels like they are becoming what Sega was with marketing consoles.
Noa and NoJ feel really disconnected, like it was for Sega too.
You'll buy the totally-not-the-next-gen-plystion ps4.5 instead, right?
At least we get to play all the cool, new games coming out between now and then, like
>>335706756
because at the end of the day, it does come down to having games.
NX currently has one, if you are even a Zelda fan.
>Wii U never got a dedicated Zelda game (has to share with NX)
>Wii U never got a dedicated Mario game (literally just 3D Land with multiplayer and less interesting levels)
>Wii U never got a Metroid game
>Wii U never got a F-Zero game
>Splatoon is literally the only original game on the system
>Smash 4 was crippled by the 3DS version and has less content than Brawl and maybe even Melee
>Smash 4 was literally just Brawl but faster, less content, and more characters added
>Pikmin 3 was uninspired shit with repeat items and no original fun items
>Tropical Freeze was Returns with a dynamic camera
>Star Fox Zero was shit
>Metroid Federation Force and a shit ton of other games were going to come to the Wii U but they changed all of them to 3DS games because Nintendo couldn't be arsed to teach developers how to develop for the Wii U
>Sticker Star 2
>Iwata died
>Reggie turned into nothing more than a mouthpiece that keeps riding on a 12 year old meme to stay relevant and is a terrible mouthpiece for the company who can't argue to save his life
>worse selling Nintendo console (sans Virtual Boy)
>overpriced at $350 and still overpriced at $300.
>Nintendo literally gave up on developing for it.
Holy fuck Wii U was a steaming pile of shit.
Nintendo U.
>>335706728
Nintendo America is too fucking incompetent to ever be SoA at it's peak. And at least old Nintendo and Sega Of America were allowed produce games compared to glorified localization and marketing Nintendo of America is now.
>>335707128
And yet it was still the best gaming of this generation.
>>335707128
What the fuck picture is that. Why do I have that in my folder? I literally posted it last week and it was Pepe blowing his own brains out.
>>335707128
>implying Iwata isn't responsible for Nintendo's downfall
>>335707383
The gen doesn't end when Nintendo packs up and leaves.
lets see if that's even arguable after 4 more years (It won't)
>>335707383
Nice meme. I bet you loved playing New Super Mario for the fourth time and Star Fox 64 for the fifth time.
Even fucking CoD was more original than Nintendo this generation.
>>335707128
>still the best console of the generation
The industry really is in the shitter, crash when?
Fig. 1: Please
Fig. 2: Understand
>>335707662
Nintenyearold go home.
>>335707662
Never ever, the games industry will continue to ignore the core audience for the casual audience.
>>335707906
The core audience is the casual audience now
>>335707662
It saddens me that there are people who seriously believe this
>>335706018
>*Direct on December 31st where they only reveal the name
Fixed that for you
>>335707570
Does the PS4 even have a game yet?
>>335708694
Bloodborne
>>335704439
>It's like they want to do a total information lockdown
It's likely that the NX is a gimmick that's very easy to copy. Nintendo hit it big with the DS and Wii because they were essentially first to the market with touch and motion devices. The Wii U on the other hand, was essentially tablet gaming which wasn't new by the time they released it
Whatever it is, you can expect NX to be Nintendo's biggest gimmick yet, this smokescreen confirms it. So much for just an ordinary console from Nintendo. Never going to happen again.
>>335703452
I feel ya bro
Something needs to happen so that normies figure out that video games these days are steaming piles of shit.
I'm the biggest fan boy for Nintendo but this shit is unacceptable. There's like 2-3 games for the wii u this year.
:(
>>335703452
Don't worry anon, not like it will have any games.
>2016 Wii U lineup is complete shit
>"well at least there's Zelda..."
>Zelda delayed until 2017 for NX cross release
>"oh..."
>>335709164
>The Wii U on the other hand, was essentially tablet gaming which wasn't new by the time they released it
The Wii U is not "tablet gaming" goddamnit, and if you played anything on it you would know that. It's basically an upscaled console version DS.
>>335705762
I am ready to reach Nirntevana™insert some clever vidya-based analog to Buddhism here
Same shit happened with the Wii and GCN.
Now would be a good time to get a PS4, but I'm still hoping for a price drop thanks to the PS4.01.
>>335709963
I'm talking about the gimmick, what they wanted casuals to flock to. For the most part, even the wiimote+nunchuck played mostly like an ordinary controller would have for the more traditional games, despite the fact that it was a motion sensing pointer.
>>335710445
>Now would be a good time to get a PS4
But it's spring, why would you buy a space heater now?
>>335703452
I mean, I'm perfectly fine with NX coming out in 2017, Nintendo consoles always have a 5 year cycle
But.... Zelda only at E3? Surely this is a mistake?
>>335703452
>One more year of "leaks" and "rumors"
Please end it.
>>335710519
I don't understand, the Wii U Gamepad works just like a traditional controller for most games too.
>>335703452
>>An entire year until the NX launches
>Kill me
What you're not stoked to play ALL of those REALLY GREAT WiiU games in the meantime anon?
>>335710767
But I fully agree with you?
I'm talking about the console's gimmick.
>>335704163
>They're at least going to tell us what the fuck it is... right?
What the fuck do you need to be told? It's a piece of garbage hardware system that you're gonna buy anyway because it's the only way you'll be able to get "muh new Zelda/Mario/Pokeshit" games.
>>335703452
>cry wii u is dead with no more games
>cry new system isn't coming sooner, without games, to kill wii u
>>335711229
you're acting like these are contradictory or mutually exclusive
it was acceptable that the wii u is dead when we thought the nx was coming this year
the wii u is still dead and now the nx isn't even coming this year, and the ONLY game anyone was interested in was delayed
>>335708694
The thing I love about this meme is that people seem to think multiplats don't matter.
Well they fucking kind of do. Regardless of exclusivity, the Bone and PS4 have games. Games that come out weekly.
Look at this line up.
>>335703452
>still caring after they're still going for casuals, going for mobile now, forcing MORE DLC, and purposely instigating amiibo shortages
The good Nintendo died with the gamecube/GBA.
>>335710980
And you will buy your PS5 because it will be the only system to...fuck if I know. Heat your room well? Watch Sony movies on? Stream porn?
>>335703452
See it as an opportunity to finally clear that fucking backlog.
>>335711687
Why is it assumed that anyone deriding Nintendo consoles is a Sonygger on a board that's 75% PC users?
>>335711447
Multiplats this gen (and largely last gen aside from a couple) are largely absolutely horrible. Shovelware tier. Not worth playing.
>>335711847
>tfw still haven't played bayo2 or xeno
What a great opportunity, 2016 is the best year for Nintendo hahah :Dkill me
>>335711447
>farmin 2014
>forestry 2017
the sad thing is that has chance to sell a ton in Germany.
>>335711863
Because most PC users also buy Nintendo for the exclusives and aren't anti-nintendo shitposters.
Also the biggest shitposters have always been Sonyggers. So was assumption to make.
>>335711880
I like how you literally just disregarded like, hundreds of games.
Like seriously, if you buy an Xbox or a PS4, you have access to a large sum of video games. Most of the mainstream titles out there.
What are you fucking getting on the Wii U? The occasional release from Nintendo?
>>335703452
They should had just released a new handheld already around E3 and delay the console until end of the six year of it's life span.
>>335712094
*was an easy
>>335712012
>have bayo unopened
>only half through xenox
>still like in the middle of rune factory 4
It sucks for the console but at least I will start the new gen with an empty list.
>>335711591
this tee bee aych
>>335712138
>What are you fucking getting on the Wii U? The occasional release from Nintendo?
There are 2nd party exclusives, indies (pretty much all the same ones every other console gets), and some multiplats (mostly Lego and movie games).
>>335712094
>Because most PC users also buy Nintendo for the exclusives and aren't anti-nintendo shitposters.
I do this but I resent having to at this point, especially the further behind Nintendo gets with modern hardware. Back in the N64 era and even with the GC launch the graphical difference between PC and GC was nearly indistinguishable. But the Wii and now the Wii U and god knows how bad the NX will be if it's really a handheld hybrid, it might not even be much more powerful than the Wii U. Honestly I still enjoy Nintendo games, but I'd rather they go 3rd party and start bringing games to PC. Xenoblade X would have looked beautiful on PC even with the same exact assets, simply by virtue of having higher resolutions and AA enabled. As it stands I can't even play the game because it looks like an early 7th gen title.
>>335712432
I just showed you the list of upcoming releases.
There's literally almost a month between anything from May to June, with the only release being fucking Terraria.
Consumers are getting nothing out of this system.
>>335711591
>Nintendo forcing DLC for almost all its games down your throat.
>The only game that actually needs it (Mario Kart 8) isn't getting any anymore, despite being promised that a 3rd dlc pack was in the works.
Holly shit, it's like Nintendo operates on opposite day every day
>>335712665
>Consumers are getting nothing out of this system.
The Wii U had a couple good years so I don't think this is really fair
What's wrong is they jumped ship way too early and should still be supporting the device, but it's obvious they moved all Wii U games that were in development to NX with the exception being Zelda because they couldn't just cancel the Wii U version after they already showed it off
If they never showed Zelda at E3 2014, as I'm sure they're probably regretting, it would never have been a Wii U game at all. And that's insulting to everyone who bought one
>>335712665
And what are the other consoles getting?
>>335713029
PS4.
Note how, regardless of the region, the list only goes up to June 17th, because this is just a general overview of what's coming soon.
With the Wii U, "coming soon" stretches as far to October.
>>335711591
>What is Splatoon
>What is Pokken
>What is Xenoblade
>What is DKC tropical freeze
>What is Mario Maker
>What is Mario Kart
nigga cmon I don't wanna do this all day
>>335713291
Xbox.
Pretty sparse for Japan, but the other regions are getting a consistent flow of content.
>New Nintendo console
>Still no Animal Crossing where a favored Villager can move in with me
>Still no AC where I canDate the villagers
Fuck. Even those retards at Konami got it right with Mysterious Times, wtf
>>335713291
>>335713506
Looks pretty garbage to be honest.
>WiiU had no games
>NX will have a re-release of Smash 4 with all DLC and 2% graphical fidelity difference.
Kek
>>335713971
Whatever it is, the Wii U's is far worse. The only noteworthy title on the horizon for Wii U was Zelda and now that's not even 2016 anymore, and it's also an NX game
>>335713971
Yeah, that's just your taste though.
If someone buys a Playstation, of an Xbox, there is a high likelihood they'll be able to experience regular new content from a diverse line up of genres.
Are the PC versions better? Is one version better on a particular console? Maybe, but that's regardless of the point. You're still getting it.
You're getting fucking nothing on the Wii U.
>>335703452
>launching the NX in March instead of the holiday season
>ONE GAME, count that, O N E G A M E at E3
>shifting focus to mobileshit
>localizing games targeted at filthy weebs but censoring all the shit filthy weebs love
When are they going third party?
>>335714518
Third party would literally kill Nintendo.
>>335714518
>When are they going third party?
When you stop buying their hardware. If you've ever loved Nintendo, stop. Just fucking stop. Stop buying their overpriced toasters and vote with your wallet.
>>335714518
>When are they going third party
see, you think you want that, but you don't
>>335703452
fucking done
If they make a Smash NX
I will fucking explode with rage
>>335714730
>Having to buy a wii u to play one/2 games
>Shittier games but can use xbox/ps4
No. I want that
They gotta show some upcoming nx games at e3, it can't be only Zelda and some 3ds shovelware
>>335714730
>you think you want that, but you don't
>playing nintendo games at higher resolutions and framerates without having to wait for emulation
w-why don't I want?
>>335715079
They're not gonna lie at a shareholder's meeting.
This is all we're getting.
>>335703452
>HAHAHAHA NX 2016 Wii U IS DEAD HAHAHAHAHA
>Not actually launching until 2017
And now the shitposters will spin this as bad.
>>335715279
if these things improve, but the gameplay suffers because they don't have free reign anymore, then that is absolutely not worth the trade-off.
>>335714771
>new game
>it's rushed as hell
>not even a continued port of the WiiU to save time on recreating assets
>doesn't end up like Melee because of Sakurai's exclusive policies for newer Smashes
lol
>>335708397
PS4 and Xbone are shitty PCs. If you couldn't play 99% of their worthwhile games on PC and they weren't also horribly underpowered maybe they wouldn't be so shitty. Wii U at least has some exclusive games, why would you need a locked-down multiplat box with paid online when a $400 PC does the same shit?
>>335707619
lol
>>335715279
Wii U games had consistently higher and more stable framerates than PS4. Moving to foreign (to the company) hardware will not improve Nintendo framerates.
>>335715440
right? Weeks ago, you couldn't read an NX thread without seeing "NX will launch in 2016, stop being delusional" everywhere and now that that's debunked, the damage control by those same people is off the charts
>>335715459
>because they don't have free reign anymore
Please explain why you think they'd lose?
Nintendo barely uses their own gimmicks in their own games, and when they do it ends up being a travesty like Skyward Sword and Star Fox Zero. Their best reviewed games like Smash, MK8, 3DW and Bayo2 could easily receive perfect ports on other platforms and lose zero of their charm. They'd play exactly the same and look better doing it.
>>335714856
>>335715279
>he thinks he'll play those undersold non-Mario/Zelda games during the era of 3rdPartytendo
>and will think they'll be as good as 2-3 gens ago
delusional sour grapes
>>335712138
>Like seriously, if you buy an Xbox or a PS4, you have access to a large sum of video games
In terms of actual numbers both consoles don't have too many more games than Wii U despite having sold many more units, all three consoles only have a few hundred games available and more than half of them are indies/rereleases. I think this is the fewest new games a console generation has seen in a while.
PS4 and Xbone are multiplat boxes, no reason to own one when a PC plays the same games but better and for less money if you want to play anything online.
>>335715079
They will announce some games for NX, basically a splash screen with a list of titles/developers. Won't actually show anything besides Zelda though.
Will probably explain some things about the NX but won't show it and definitely won't be on the showfloor or anything.
>>335715712
That's only because PS4 games are far, far more geometrically complex than Nintendo's games. Wii U games would all run at 60fps on the PS4, and most Wii U games are 30fps or struggle to maintain 60fps
>>335707128
mario kart 8 is amazing though, the course selection was bad at first but dlc fixed that.
>>335715982
Are you listening to the words you are saying?
>>335703452
>NX was previously announced to launch at the end of the year
>"Ha! Nintendo is deeeeead!"
>now it's launching next year
>"JUST"
I really hate you guys sometimes.
>inb4 /v/ isn't one person
>>335715792
>Their best reviewed games like Smash, MK8, 3DW and Bayo2 could easily receive perfect ports on other platforms and lose zero of their charm.
>Smash
yeah, good luck with that one
>>335715792
I haven't played Zero, but the motion controls in SS felt particularly satisfying to me. Really nice sword combat in that game and I would like to see this expanded upon.
With different opinions like that, I'm not sure I can give you a satisfying response
>>335715604
it's looking pretty samey this gen, pham
>>335716146
Please point out the part you're having a problem with.
>>335707662
This
>>335716383
>It's bad when Nintendo rehashes
>It's good when Nintendo rehashes
They just can't decide, can they?
>Where's ACU!?
>MORE rehashes, Nintendo!?
Make up your minds, for fuck's sake.
>>335716214
>NX was previously announced to launch at the end of the year
NO IT WASN'T, fucking stupid retard. Those were just shitty rumors you and all idiots around blindly believed. Nintendo never said that shit was going ot launch this fucking year.
It freaking hurt waking up this morning to find out we get no news regarding NX during E3.
>inb4 a special direct all about NX happens soon after E3.
>>335716383
Lol
>>335716383
this is some serious #rekt right here
This whole situation is really disheartening. I'm saving up for a PC, but have both a PS4 and Wii U as well. I've gotten a lot of enjoyment from both, though they're obviously both far from perfect. The thing is, it feels like Sony is at least trying to push for more games, Nintendo seems to have given up entirely, and the NX sounds like the Wii U all over again: a console with a poor release window that's going to be underpowered compared to the competition, if the PS4K is anything to go by. Throw in all their other terrible business practies, and I see little reason to dedicate money to a new console of theirs. It's a shame, because I genuinely do love the first games they make.
>>335716383
>is okay with 2d platformer mario on the SNES
>doesn't count 3d world for the wii u
nice bait m8
>>335716086
the roster and battle mode are still shitty though.
>>335712697
When is that Mario Kart DLC coming out?
>>335716884
3DW is in the 3DL series
It's not in the main series
>>335716383
But Mario did get a 3d entry???
>>335716884
Wii U had three good Mario games, but since one of them wasn't a 64/Galaxy clone apparently none of them count. Mario Maker made pretty much any future side-scrolling Mario pointless.
>>335716884
because 3D World isn't an actual installment? Nintendo literally confirmed this themselves. It's just nsmb with a z axis.
>>335717291
it got a multiplayer map pack to 3DL
main series mario games innovate and are never sequels, same reason galaxy 2 isn't considered part of the main series, it is just a map pack
>>335717095
But it is. 3DL is the main , nsmb is the spin off
>>335717043
never anymore. It was announced back in early 2015 that they planned to release a third DLC pack, but nothing has been heard since.
>>335717460
But 3DW maps are a lot different than 3DL maps. 3DL maps are piss easy and more 2D from a 3d perspective. 3DW are linear but far more open in the design
>>335717598
>implying 3D World isn't piss easy either
>>335717460
>>335717462
>All these mental gymnastics
3D World is a 3D Mario game. 3D is in the fucking title, for fuck's sake. It's like Mario World, but in 3D.
1st you said, if nintendo was on the PS4 it would have higher resolution and better framerates.
>>335715279
>playing nintendo games at higher resolutions and framerates without having to wait for emulation.
While at the same time saying because PS4 games are more geometrically complicated, is the cause for their low framerates.
>>335716484
>PS4 games are far, far more geometrically complex than Nintendo's games.
Do you think all of a sudden because Nintendo is making games on a PS4 changes how much better the framerate will be. Because regardless of what hardware the games framerate will not really improve by much. Sure old wii u games would run better but the new games that nintendo makes for the PS4 will still run into the same framerate problem that sony and every other developer runs into.
>>335717598
>3DL maps are piss easy
3DW was piss easy
>more 2D from a 3d perspective
...This is *exactly* what 3DW was
>3DW are linear
Agree
>open in the design
Not even sure what this means. They're bigger, that's about it
>>335717734
Also would like to add resolution is not really that important to making a good game.
>>335717675
It's nothing like Mario World. SMW had tons of stages with multiple exits that fleshed out a world map with different paths.
They could have just as well called it 3DL2 but then it would have been harder to fool faggots like you who can't read between the lines and realize a spade is still a spade
>3DW isn't main series because my shit post works better if I say it wasn't
>>335717734
You seem to be under the delusional impression that the hardware decides the framerate, and somehow intrinsically PS4 has a problem keeping up 60fps because it's a PS4 and not because of the graphical complexity of the games running on it.
The framerate is determined by how many times per second the console can render a scene, and this is determined *mostly* by how graphically complex the scene is. There is obviously optimization and such which plays a large roll, for instance there is a lot of wasted graphical complexity in most modern games doing things like SSAO which have a huge computational impact with little payoff in fidelty. Nintendo games don't use AO at all and it's not like they'd just start enabling it on PS4 for no reason. And they're not going to start adding polygons to Mario for no reason either. The fact is every Wii U game would run at higher resolution and higher framerate on the PS4 assuming that they don't add more effects or more geometrical complexity, which they wouldn't do because it's more expensive.
You have absolutely no idea what you're even talking about.
>>335717460
3DW added a lot more original enemies and powersups/abilities that weren't in any previous Mario game. It did literally everything it needed to do to be a proper entry in the Super Mario series.
>>335718020
The idea behind the game is that it's conceptually a 2D Mario game, but played in 3D. 3D World. I didn't mean it's EXACTLY like Mario World.
>>335718451
You seem to be under the delusion that 60 fps should be a choice and not a requirement.
>>335717460
Sorry it wasn't a shitty collectathon.
>>335718451
You ignored the 2nd part, where I said the games that nintendo made for the ps4 would still run into the same problems.
>>335718460
>powersups/abilities
It's literally the cat suit. What other ability was there? I might be forgetting it if it was incredibly unmemorable. Catsuit was extremely OP, btw, and made an easy game even easier. It was basically the new super leaf.
>original enemies
Like? Mostly rehashed from NSMB and 3DL. Aside from the bosses, I don't think there were any new enemies at all, and 3DW's boss lineup was the most pitiful in any Mario game since the NES ones
This is what a boss lineup SHOULD look like. 3DW was the hisstocrats (actually kinda cool), some rocks and a glob. Gee whiz, so overwhelming.
>>335718438
Nigger nintendo said it themselves that 3DW was just a party game just give it up already.
>>335718451
Not the same person, but I think the point being made is that Nintendo will not be able to achieve the performance they do on their own platform because Sony or whomever will say "this needs to look better, we don't care about the framerate" because graphics are what sell the games on that platform.
Nintendo won't have any control, performance is not a priority. Customers will say "Wow, these graphics suck" and pick up some AAA blockbuster that looks much better but runs at 20fps instead. They don't care about 60fps, they care about pretty graffix and photo-realism.
>>335718646
this exact reasoning is why it's not an actual 3D mario game.
>>335718885
Now show me the source where they said it's not a Mario game
>>335718842
I have no idea why you think that. The PS4 is ridiculously more powerful than the Wii U and the PS4 isn't even that powerful. It's basically a toaster next to a gaming PC. The Wii U is less powerful than most modern phones. OF COURSE the games would run better on the PS4 assuming everything else is equal. They'd have to increase the geometry of the games to make them run worse.
>>335718991
But it's still in 3D. Just because it's not a collectathon doesn't mean it isn't in 3D. In fact, because it's not a collectathon for once, they're actually able to make intelligent 3D level designs focused around platforming without worrying about ease of access for multiple objectives.
>>335718923
>Sony or whomever will say "this needs to look better, we don't care about the framerate"
You really think Sony dictates to 3rd party devs what their games look like?
What in the literal fuck? Sony collects the paycheck from licensing fees and that's the extent of what they do for gaming. It's up to 3rd party devs to make whatever game they see fit. It's just that most 3rd party devs think games won't sell unless they look extremely impressive and photorealistic so of course they try to make games that look like that, that push the console to its limits even if it sinks the framerate well below 30 fps. Sony has *nothing* to do with this decision. Plenty of indie games on PS4 run at 60 fps locked. There are plenty of other games that run at 60 fps too, even by 3rd party AAA devs
>>335706560
>no NX news at E3
>HURR THAT MUST MEAN SOMEONE ELSE WILL SPILL THE BEANS
>>335719217
then why didn't they focus on making actual fun levels then?
>>335718991
I hate this meme.
>>335718868
>powerups/abilities
besides the cat suit, there's the double cherries, cannon boxes, light boxes, goomba ice skates...
There's also plenty of new gameplay mechanics such as kicking/throwing balls, color panels that you need to step on to change to the right color. boost pads (which are a Mario Kart thing, but this is the first time they were in a Mario platformer), and the captain toad minigame levels.
>original enemies
a list of new regular (non-boss) original enemies can be found here: http://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_3D_World#New
I look forward to the mental gymnastics you will surely use to say why none of these things count and that it's still a soulless rehash that doesn't count as a proper entry.
>>335719674
They did. It was the most fun I've had with a Mario in a long time.
>>335719217
No one can possibly deny 3DW is a 3D rendered game as it obviously is
What's at debate is mainly two things:
1) Main series mario games are usually very innovative and change the formula to a point where it seems like a new type of game. This precludes them being direct sequels, which 3DW is to 3DL. You could put just about any 3DW map into 3DL and no one would notice the difference other than it being a bit longer. That's it. It wasn't a bad game, definitely one of the better games on the console, but after SMW, 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy, people expect a main series Mario game to blow you away. 3DW just wasn't that. You'll know a main series mario game when you see it because everyone will be bitching about how different it is like they always do.
2) "3D" mario games aren't really what they are because they're 3D, but because they're really an open world interpretation of mario. you explore a huge map with multiple objectives and it's not a mostly linear walk to the flag pole. I would call 64/sunshine/galaxy "open world mario" rather than "3d mario" because "3d mario" isn't descriptive enough, as evident by the fact that 3DW is also "3d mario" but it isn't the same type of game that 64/sunshine/galaxy were. It's not the same type of game at all.
>>335719039
Well no shit, thats what they are going to do, because they have a much stronger hardware to work with.
>>335719943
Well, I guess they broke the trend, didn't they?
>>335719710
there's also the whole mechanic in multiplayer of bouncing on your teammates heads and throwing them around, which works WAY better in 3D than it did in the NSMB games. And it makes the multiplayer a lot more fun and almost feels like an entirely different game than in single player.
>>335719710
I still think it's on par with a sequel and not an original entry
I'm sorry my opinion bothers you so much
>>335720137
Sorry you'd rather believe in an opinion than a fact. Keep your unimmunized kids away from me.
>>335720360
>my opinions are facts
People like you commit genocide and I'm sure my children will die by your children's hands
>>335711447
>shit
>shit
>shit
>shit
>shit
>shit that we've played on PC for like five years now
>shit
>SHIIIIIIIT
>will be good.
you literally have no point.
>>335719943
But what you and most people don't understand is that 3D World WAS meant to be the next true entry in the series, and development on 3DL didn't start until after they were already hard at work on this new console entry. They just quickly put 3DL together from unused assets/levels to tide us over until they could finish 3DW, the next REAL Mario game. So it's better to think of 3DL as the rehash even though it came out first.
>>335713372
>Amazing
>Trash
>Trash
>Trash
>Trash
>DLC and Amiibo ploy.
>>335720797
>Xenoblade Chronicles X
>Trash
You mean the GOTY 2015?
>>335720713
>My opinion on the quality of these releases is the same the entire market
Don't kid yourself. If you buy a Playstation of an Xbox, you can be assured of regular releases of most of the mainstream and not so mainstream titles out there. Even if they're on other systems, you still have a system that plays them.
The only thing buying a Wii U assured you was that you'd get Nintendo games, and they're really not putting out as many as people would like.
>>335720093
I don't really consider games like Galaxy 2 and 3DW to be "breaking the trend". I consider them as sequels. Nintendo is simply following a pattern they previously did not explore until they got into financial dire straits, and that's the "let's reuse assets and repackage them into map packs" that most other developers in the industry have been doing for more than a decade now.
I don't think there's anything wrong with sequels. They're both good games, but they're still just sequels.
How disappointed would you be if Zelda "U" came out and it mostly comprised of assets that looks like they could have come directly out of Skyward Sword, just reorganized into pseudo-original ways? Not to say it wouldn't be a good game, just that it wouldn't be that new experience that everyone expects from a main series Zelda game.
That's 3DW. That's why people were disappointed. I don't expect you to share the opinion, but you should at least recognize why people have it, and realize it's not just shitposting. It's a legitimate viewpoint.
>>335720786
>So it's better to think of 3DL as the rehash even though it came out first.
Who's doing mental gymnastics now, you fucking faggot? God I hate this place.
>>335711880
Video gaming may not be for you
>>335720786
>this amount of mental gymnastics
WOOOOOOOOOHEEEEEE LAD.
>>335720713
>Terraria
>Shit
Sonyggers everybody. No taste in good games.
>>335721227
3D World took longer to make and was being worked on since even before 3D Land's development started. 3D Land was made out of assets from the unfinished 3D World, not the other way around.
>>335720982
>censored
>empty world
>story is shit
>characters are boring
shit
>>335704932
>Zelda not exclusive to Wii U anymore, coming to NX too.
Source? I'm tired of this shit
>>335721227
No, what he's saying is correct. You saying that 3D Land was the original and that 3D World copied it is mental gymnastics. No matter how much you want to deny it, 3D World's development started BEFORE 3D Land.
>>335721464
>censored
opinion discarded, go away pedophile
>>335721464
Censored is the only legitimate complaint on the entire list
>Empty world
>characters are boring
Confirmed for never playing the game.
>>335721405
No it wasn't you fucking mongoloid. Do you really think a low-content easy to develop rush job that is 3D World was seriously in development for more than three years?
>>335721507
>>335720786
Huh. So what you're saying is when I shit out a smaller nugget, that's not the real shit? I have to wait for the next big log to come out, and that's the important bit. Got it.
>>335717462
nsmb is in the main series, it showed them all on the poster
>>335721405
Doesn't change the fact that I played 3DL first so 3DW seemed like a map pack to me
Neither are even bad games, I liked them. I don't think they have the quality and polish of other 3D Mario games though, so it's easier for me to classify them as different entities than it is for me to accept the fact that Nintendo can't make stellar games anymore
>>335721567
Not at all relevant when I played 3DL 2 years earlier
Even if it's true, which I'm not doubting, they fucked up hard because of a very moronic decision
>>335707128
>>Splatoon is literally the only original game on the system
Wonderful 101
Your point still remains for the most part.
>>335715440
Here is my thing. I didn't get my N64 until it had been out for awhile, so I don't recall if it was released in November, but the Gamecube was. The Wii was. The Wii U was. I'm pretty sure most handheld hardware is also originally released in November. So they aren't rushing it out this year, and are taking their time to sell it when it is ready, and when there are games for it. Wonderful. Really it is. The problem however as I see it is that they can hold off and not release it in November of this year, but can't stick with tradition and wait until November of next year? From an optics standpoint it doesn't look good. It looks like they are stacking the deck to have a strong launch for the NX, most likely to take back some of the market they lost with the Wii U, but something about breaking that November release tradition just doesn't sit well with me, man.
>>335721702
You're seriously braindead if you think Super Mario Sunshine is on a whole different level of quality and "polish" than 3D World. There's just no hope for you if you think that. You should fucking quit video games if you seriously think this.
>>335721881
>You should fucking quit video games if you seriously think this.
No thanks, I'll just continue hoping Nintendo returns to being a good developer again
>>335720548
>a Mario game with three dimensions is a 3D Mario
>opinion
>>335721837
Wonderful 101 was developed by a third party. Not by one of Nintendo's own. I know it's a Nintendo IP but I'm just pointing out how fucking lazy Nintendo owned studios were this generation.
>>335703452
Now you know how the wow fans felt about legion
>>335718438
3DW is in the same category of New Super Mario Bros
>>335721881
>takes about 12 hours to do everything in 3D World
>takes about 30 in Super Mario Sunshine
They are completely different games retard. 3D World is a rushed port compared to Sunshine.
>>335707128
>Splatoon is literally the only original game on the system
by that logic it's the only original game in this generation
xbox has a bunch of shooters, ps4 has a dark souls spinoff, pc has an earthbound clone
>>335711687
>fuck if I know. Heat your room well? Watch Sony movies on? Stream porn?
How else would he play Fifa, CoD and AssCreed?
>>335722646
Don't forget GTA and Watchdogs
>>335722026
never said it wasn't a 3d mario
I said it's a sequel and not part of the main series
3DL is also a 3d mario and yet no one thinks it's part of the main series. why is there any debate with 3dw when it's just a sequel?
my theory is most wii u owners aren't ready to admit our console didn't get a main series mario, zelda or metroid game
it's literally the worst nintendo console ever
>>335711447
>Well they fucking kind of do. Regardless of exclusivity, the Bone and PS4 have games.
see >>335722714
Doesn't really matter if they're all shit games
>>335722216
Are you seriously defending Mario Sunshine's 20+ hours of bullshit padding to hunt for blue coins?
Sunshine had 6 levels total, only 4 of them were good, and the at least half of the shine missions for each level amounted to doing the exact same things over and over
>chase blue Mario while squirting water at him until he gives up
>find these arbitrarily placed red coins that aren't in any way challenging or provide any sort of platforming at all
>clean up goop! that's fun right?
Meanwhile 3D World had 50+ levels each with their own unique platforming challenges and different gameplay gimmicks. Yeah it's shorter, but it's much more polished and higher quality than that dumb collectathon "platformer"
>>335722759
>3DL is also a 3d mario and yet no one thinks it's part of the main series. why is there any debate with 3dw when it's just a sequel?
3D Land is a 2D Mario game with 3D Mario elements, while 3D World is a 3D Mario game with 2D Mario elements.
they're two games with the same concept but reversed emphasis. 3D World isn't a 'sequel' to 3D Land, its just a similiar concept with a different execution
>>335709164
If Nintendo is still convinced that the reason the Wii U failed was because they were simply late to the game with the gimmick and not literally every other problem with it, including the gimmick itself being dumb as hell, then there really is no more hope for them.
>>335707662
Why is it in the shitter? Stop buying shit consoles then. I'm having the time of my life even in the slowest half of the year, pic related happens.
I don't own a vita or PS3 so you're free to shitpost about PS4'svastly superior and sometimes the only playable version ofVita/PS3 multiplats.
Today GundamBreakers3 releases which I'm sure to invest at least 50 hours into if it's anything like EDF, yesterday I got to play a free NioH demo which was as big as a Souls DLC and ironicaly lasts as long as the latest full retail priced WiiU release (Even Ratchet which I don't care about is 20€ cheaper than StarFox and has the same replay value), and the day before that Alienation released which I played with a friend all day long and I'm having a problem of finding time to play all of these new games coming out every month, sometimes multiple times in the same week.
Which will be especially problematic in June with StarOcean5, OdinSphere remake and GrandKigndom coming out so close to each other.
>>335715594
Man, you should be an idort, instead of being butthurt and constantly lying you could be having fun. I also love the contradiction that the other two are so vastly underpowered and yet you're fine with WiiU which is even more so. Your double-think has reached a new height.
Then again in times of desperation it's normal that people like you pop up and vent their frustrations with no rhyme or reason.
>>335722802
>If I don't like things, that means no one else does!
Consumers like variety. You might not enjoy Call of Duty, but guess what? A lot of people do. A lot of people like sports games, and shooters, and even those Ubisoft collectathons.
You don't have these options on the Wii U. You just have Nintendo games, and not as many as people would like.
>>335723013
>3D Land is a 2D Mario game with 3D Mario elements, while 3D World is a 3D Mario game with 2D Mario elements.
the delusion is palpable. they're exactly the same game mechanically
>>335723038
If you read interviews they're aware of a lot of problems with the Wii U, but Miyamoto talks specifically about them being late to the tablet game as if it was the determining factor
>>335723190
Not really. 3D Land plays more like a 2D game, while 3D World plays more like a 3D game. They both just take a few elements from the other style of game.
They're fairly unique and different enough that I wouldn't consider them similar enough to say that 3D World is a sequel to Land
>>335723190
Except 3D World actually has a bunch of new mechanics, as explained here
>>335719710
while 3D Land didn't have any new mechanics or original enemies and instead just had standard SMB stuff made into 3D. That's why 3D World is the true successor to the Mario series, while 3D Land is just the side game.
>>335723152
>Consumers like variety. You might not enjoy Call of Duty, but guess what? A lot of people do. A lot of people like sports games, and shooters, and even those Ubisoft collectathons.
>You don't have these options on the Wii U.
While it doesn't have some of the newest out, the Wii U does have sports games, shooters (including CoD), and several Ubisoft games.
>>335716383
WII-U FAGS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
>>335723315
And this means they will pick an even more retarded gimmick for the NX to make sure this time around they arent late.
>>335723461
>That's why 3D World is the true successor to the Mario series
I'm so glad this isn't actually true and is only used by the Nintendo defense force
I'm awaiting the real successor to be released on NX
>>335704163
Don't feel bad. Nintendo has a million fucking leaks.
I bet will get the whole information leaked months before its actually announced.
>>335723093
Wow when you sort the shit from the gems its really fucking sad. The games I left uncrossed either I KNOW they're good or dont know a thing about them.
>>335723639
It's probably already been leaked but it was so stupid we didn't believe it to be true
>>335723539
It had them at release, when there was still a modicum of third party support.
Look in the last year. Look in the upcoming months. It's bone dry in terms of content.
>>335720548
>and I'm sure my children will die by your children's hands
lol, cuck
>>335723604
So you admit that you don't care about whether a new main series Mario game has new gameplay mechanics or not. You just want the main series to be nothing but collectathons.
>a rehash of 3DL now constitutes a mainline Mario
I hope to Jesus this isn't really the case, for your sake.
>>335723865
I want a new game that is not a sequel
The mechanics and powerups in that post are not enough to change the gameplay up considerably. Most of them aren't even worth mentioning because they occur rarely. The game by and far played like a map pack to 3DL with a new powerup, the cat suit. Just because there were a few gimmick stages doesn't mean anything
>>335723940
>rehash in 3DL
>ignoring the fact that the game has a ton of new mechanics that weren't in 3DL, as described here
>>335719710
do you have brain damage?
>>335707383
>Wii U released Mid PS3/360
>It has the best games of this generation :^)
lol. Considering how it never even lasted a full fucking cycle of anything it has nothing worthy of note.
>>335723940
It is a mainline Mario. I mean, if you just wanted to say "the Wii U never had a Mario 64 style Mario" that would be completely true, but saying it had no mainline Mario or no 3D Mario is complete denial.
Seriously just say you don't like 3D World or even say "Wii U didn't have a good 3D Mario" like a normal person. The moment you start bringing in your completely arbitrary definitions is muddles your point turns the whole argument into random bullshit that has nothing to do with anything.
>>335723781
And I acknowledged that, but you claimed Wii U owners have zero options for those types of games at all. Which is not true.
>>335724336
Of all competing scenarios, I prefer the one where 3DW is a sequel spinoff to the one where Nintendo severely dropped the quality bar for its mainline games. Unless you have zero taste, you'd delude yourself in the same manner and hope to god it ends up being true
>>335724286
>6 years after the PS3 and only one year before PS4 is "mid PS3 generation"
Well jeez, I guess that makes Xbox360 mid PS2/Gamecube gen.
Why is nobody talking about the Animal Crossing game they announced?
>>335724802
Because it's a phone game.
Will the WiiU end up here?
>>335724912
So is Miitomo and it's still fun.
>>335719710
You could make all the same arguments for NSMBU, and you probably would be if the Wii U didn't even get a map pack for 3DL.
Seriously I could sit here and do mental gymnastics explaining how NSMBU is a main series Mario game with huge lists that trail off and make it sound like they're non-exhaustive when really I've named all the new components in a few simple sentences because there just aren't that many of them, and most are trivial.
I feel like I could smash your face repeatedly with a brick and you still wouldn't understand what a shitstain on the human race you are defending a conglomerate global corporation who has obviously let the QA slip and pretending like everything is as it's always been.
>>335724980
How long did people care about Miitomo? A day?
>>335723093
Why is Halo 5 in that list?
>>335724495
I'd prefer to live in reality than to convince myself that something that I know isn't true is a fact simply because I want to hold onto the impossible hope that things will get better.
What I'm saying is, accept it, state your opinions like a human being living in the real world, and move the fuck on.
>>335724953
I would love a collection of that shit.
>>335723747
How are Grand Kingdom (a mix between FireEmblem, MegamanBattlenetwork and ValkyriaChronicles), AegisOfEarth (AdvanceWars mixed with tower defense), Witch & Knight (Disgaea + Diablo) and Alienation bad games?
They may not be your taste but they are far from bad.
Still, even after crossing out all of those games, 19 remain. That's 3 games per month even by your standards. How is that sad in any way, especially considering its the slowest half of the year? I don't get it.
>>335725063
Not defending Ninty, but for the most inexplicable reason, my friends IRL are still eating it up.
>>335724953
>SNES to the left
>N64 to the right
Maybe someday
>>335725098
The thing is, I don't fully believe I'm deluding myself. I think 3DW was their attempt at doing a 3D Mario game on the limited budget of a NSMB game. An experiment, if you will. And "main series" and "main line" Mario are not terms you will find in any dictionary determined by a governance board. They ultimately have meaning only because the fans use them to refer to things. If we can't agree what they refer to, then they stop being meaningful entirely.
But you're right. It would be better to say "The Wii U didn't have a good mario game" but I can't really even say this because I liked 3DW. What I'd say is "The Wii U didn't have an amazing Mario game" to which most people would ask simply "so what?" And I have no reply other than "I'm an entitled manchild."
>>335706756
yes one has games and the other is a tableweight
>>335725063
It just hit ten million users.
>>335724953
the virtual boy was actually good though, just a tough sell. the wiiu has nothing good going for it.
>>335721464
and
>MMO shit combat
>retarded story
>cliffhanger bullshit
>graphics
>>335726021
Yeah, it was good if you wanted eye cancer.
Just as long as the console launches with a Sonic game, I am A ok!
