So what's wrong with this weapon again?
It's trash
>>335649635
being a contrarian only works on subjective things
>>335649635
it's really not though, like I can understand hating people for using it because it's really OP and you can get it super early, but saying it's trash is just a blatant lie.
>>335649027
It just got nerfed in patch 1.04 that came out a few minutes ago.
>>335649850
did they bring back poise yet?
>>335649027
edgy, unknightly
longsword boys
also, fairy ass moveset prob if its anything like DS1, enjoy getting parried in pvp (implying pvp is good in ds3)
>>335649027
Little reach. No useful stab.
That's about it.
Besides that it has the best stats and scaling for a enchantable Single handed weapon.
>spend all my twinkling and a slab maxing out a BKH
>still does less damage than my Quality Longsword
>>335649905
poise would make the pvp even worse
tying it to weapons makes perfect sense
Regular club, reinforced club, large club, or great club?
>>335649027
>Quality Longsword +10
>hitting 415+ one handed with that ring that hits more on full HP
also i dont look like a faggot while swinging it
thats whats wrong with it, its too fancy and in DS1 the swings had no ferocity
>>335649928
you really ought to not comment on a game you haven't played, friend
>>335649928
>if its anything like DS1
>hasn't played DS3
opinion discarded
>>335649967
tying it to weapons as in if you swing with more poise then you can withstand being hit during swing, right?
yeah thats cool
if i didnt pirate the game
>>335650018
You do more than that with a +10 Heavy dark sword.
>>335649967
>poise iz bad 4 pvpv m'kay
Seriously Ive never had trouble with high poise builds in pvp in ds1 or ds2 I just want to be able to not be stunlocked by fucking rats and hollows with arrows
>>335650116
I don't understand how thats an issue, did they patch in hyper armor during one of the updates?
but yeah, hyper armor is objectively the best way to go about it, and it makes pvp a lot more interesting than the havels estocs that'd come out of it otherwise
>>335650002
probably large club, great club makes you look like a fuckin neanderthal
wheres the fucking nail bat?
>>335650067
i pirated it and beat it in 3-4 days, and made jokes out of what you babies called "hard"
that faggot that flies on the bird and has a big thunder spear got fuckin bodied, ask his mum
wasnt shit when i finally knocked him off his bird, fuckin camera angles man i couldnt tell when i was close enough to hit him and shit
you guys fuckin
S
U
C
K
slap crystal on it and it gets better int scaling than the fucking MLGS.
Like alot better scaling
>>335649959
BKH? You mean the black knight glaive? Impossible, it has 70 AR over quality longsword.
>>335650220
"poise is bad" babbys are such cancer. they just can't comprehend a souls game where you have to do more than r1 mash, so we're stuck with straightsword souls where someone in full havels with the wolf ring can be stunned by a hollow with a dagger
>>335650087
>beat ds3 without summons
>beat ds1 without summons
ye bruh, i bet you thought Gaping Dragon was hard too
amongst the bodies he goes, nigga didnt hit me once when i was using shit KB + M last time i played
>>335650126
ye but then i look like i wear womens underwear?
why would i sacrifice a fuckin legit looking longsword so i can hit for 15 more damage when im maxed out?
how big is your dildo?
>>335650384
Except the current system is actually good for heavy weapons?
What the fuck are you even trying to say here, there is poise but you have to be swinging something poise worthy to trigger it
your suggestion would actually be good for those people r1 mashing because they won't get flinched out of their spam
>>335650384
but will they swing again when they attempt to hit you during a full 2h swing of a huge fuckin sword or some shit?
pvp is shit, you dont even get alot of souls from it
>>335650523
poise=/hyper armor
>>335650523
nah, you can be swingin anything man just as long as you're 50%+ way through your swing (apparently)
basically NOW poise is only good when ur in a swing
i know this because poise worked for me ONCE durin my whole playthrough
i thought my armor wasnt working
>>335650741
it probably made PVP less parry baiting.
still lag shitters backstabbing prob.
>>335650741
its literally the same thing, but for the sake of the argument
how the fuck is everyone having poise better than giving hyper armor to only heavy weapons so they don't get poked out by a shitty dagger
>>335650751
yeah its not immediate for some attacks, two handed r1s generally get hyper armor halfway through, r2s get it way earlier
Hyper armor meme, bkga doesn't have hyper armor, before, after, during swing I still get stunned.
>>335649027
Too many people use it, and it's a good weapon currently, so now anyone that doesn't use it complains.
git gud
>>335650494
Apparently not nearly as big the one in your ass right now you insecure idiot.
>>335650903
gimme your soul level I am more than willing to show you that's bullshit
whens the first DLC coming out?
>>335649850
is there a list of changes?
>>335651148
Fixed a bug where you might not get items properly while accessing a covenant when a player joins your game.
Some NPCs questline events have been made easier to trigger.
Made the requirement for joining the Rosaria's Fingers less strict.
Fixed a bug when teleporting to Untended Graves.
Amended an issue where kicks were being parried.
Fixed a bug where Crystal Sage would not re-appear after warping in.
Fixed a bug where Dragonslayer Armour would die on its own before you fight.
Fixed a bug where Knight Slayer Tsorig would continue to gesture.
Fixed a bug where Siegward would fail to save Greirat even though the conditions have been met.
Fixed a bug where, when wearing a ring that increases Max HP, the change would not be reflected in some menus.
Fixed a bug where the voice chat icon would show (or not show) according to the settings.
Fixed a bug where the voice chat icon would continue to display when HUD display is set to AUTO.
(Xbox One) Fixed a bug where you can't access the functions Quit Game, access bonfire, or use online play items when failing to connect to an online session.
(Xbox One) Fixed a bug where the game would crash to the title screen when you fail to connect to an online session.
Fine tuned various other things, fine tune performance, and corrected various bugs.
>>335651020
>insecure
should i install some better antivirus software?
>calling someone insecure cus of a 4chan post
good luck at reading people on here, more than likely it will just be projection.
my dildo is HUGE
>>335651113
supposedly like October or beyond
>>335650890
>its literally the same thing
It really isn't.
Fixing poise makes it so when I'm swinging a straight sword or greatsword at some rats they can't stunlock me mid swing.
>>335651221
Nothing about dark sword or longswords in general
>>335651221
>Made the requirement for joining the Rosaria's Fingers less strict.
any specifics on this?
>>335651430
your poise would still be broken if enough of them are hitting you, what the hell is the difference here
>>335651237
Calling you insecure because you think Dark sword is trash simply because it has a semi-fruity attack style even though it is all around better then your long sword.
Can't take using the superior weapon because you attack like a girl.
>>335649027
>Get Darkwraith piece relatively early
>Never really used it in DS
>bro hooks me up with an entire set
>running around as Skeletor having a good time
>everyone hates it because Dark Sword is good
I'm not even sure why people have a hate boner for it in pvp. It seems pretty easy to punish and will always lose in a trade off.
>>335651430
if you're 2handing a greatsword you won't get stunlocked unless you're literally surrounded by rats biting you
and at that point its entirely your fault for rushing into an area with a fuckton of enemies
I heard it was a good asshole sword, tried it for a bit to make sure no payers could safely reach Twin Princes. Pretty useless, went back to my Irithyl straight sword. The frostbite alone is enough to wipe out most players.
>>335650890
Hyper armor and poise are totally different.
Hyper armor is infinite poise while attacking, while normal poise is finite and isn't affected by animations
>>335651513
Fine you picky shit how about another example:
I'm swinging at some hollow shit somewhere, one of his buddies shoots a single unlit arrow at me, I'm staggering in my full Havel's because no poise.
>>335651565
not really into min-maxing bruh thanks
went through the game default knight set and longsword with the shield of want
sword is too thick and i fuckin hate the darkwraiths so fuck em
>also i didnt get it early enough and i aint wastin fuckin titanite, bitch
more like DORK SWORD
>>335651602
A trade off with what? The dark sword has retarded range and damage. It's almost like a spear and a greatsword combined
>>335651668
you are confirmed for never having used a heavy weapon in this game, hyper armor only triggers when you're over halfway through a swing, which is impossible to start because a fucking rat nibbles at your heel and you stagger
>>335651737
except hyper armor prevents that if your weapon is actually heavy and not a straight sword
>>335651735
its not infinite, you can't take a hit from a weapon of a stronger class and enough pokes will also flinch you
>>335651737
dont get hit by arrows bruh
pretty basic strategy
i bet you got hit by the rolling skeleton ball too nerd
>>335650334
Wow, 70 whole more damage for using much more stamina, being much slower, not being r1 spammable, being heavier, and being really late game.
Also at 40/40 last I checked Dark Sword does 9 less damage than claymore, both quality.
amazing
>>335650384
People who say poise is good have zero understanding of the game. You are a moron who doesnt understand that poise is a braindead mechanic that buffs quick weapons and nerfs big heavy weapons
>>335651923
well whos fucking fault is it for running up to a rat and then starting to swing like a madman
am I suppose to defend your shitty playstyle for trying to outspeed a rat with a slow weapon?
>>335651939
man
why the fuck are you guys calling it hyper armor are they fuckin Zangief?
HYPERRR UPPERCUT
>>335651939
But we're talking about reactivating poise, not hyper armour. Why bother having a poise stat in the game if it doesn't work?
>>335651985
70 ar is alot
Bkg has alot more range and wide sweeps
>>335651985
Good job, you're still wrong though.
>>335651985
ey how does this shit compare to +10 Quality Longsword at 40/40?
just wondering if you know
>>335652053
because poise also works when you're not swinging, hyper armor is the most logical thing to call it
>>335651221
>Fixed a bug where Siegward would fail to save Greirat even tho
you can save him?
>>335652108
Poise does do something you misinformed twat, it affects how easily you get staggered out of rolls
From doesnt want it activated in pvp for a reason, it ruins the online
>>335652159
should call it "balls"
my dude lasted a hit cus he had balls
>>335651923
>hyper armor only triggers when you're over halfway through a swing
Really? I beat the game with the Demon Greataxe and I spammed the shit out of my weapon art against swarms and don't remember getting stunned out of it once.
>>335651818
>mini maxing
Not even needed.
I play souls games with one character that I build on the fly. With no distinct direction in his levels until I find a weapon I like then I build around it.
Just so happens I liked the scaling on the heavy Dark sword so I put somewhere around 40 Strength into my character and just put the rest of the points randomly through shit like Attunement, Vigor, and Endurance. Back before I realized that Armor was pointless since Poise didn't work. Beat the game at Soul level 82 or so.
If I was mini maxing now my character would have like 50 or over strength and the rest of my points evened out through Vitality and endurance with enough attunement, int, and Faith to use Caithus flame.
>>335651939
what if I'm not swinging, a shitty hit staggers even in havels armor, its fucked up
>>335652227
Oh boy I can roll out of 3 R1's instead of 4.
>>335652223
In Irithyll yes you can sav ehim
>>335652223
Yeah. It requires a couple previous sidequests and for you to make sure when you send him out you kill the boss in the area beforehand or very soon after.
>>335652108
and I'm saying that hyper armor efficiently replaces poise while buffing heavy weapons, their choice to not use poise was a good one
>>335651818
>wasting titanite
The game throws like 8 Slabs at you and infinite of everything else.
You wouldn't be wasting a cocksucking thing.
>>335652053
>>335652242
>>335652335
I used demon greataxe as well until I got the lightning one from dragonslayer armor, and I got stunned out of the lightning one all the time. Maybe DGA has a faster startup, I don't know
>>335652423
I T S C A L L E D P O I S E
N O T H Y P E R A R M O R
>im glad they didnt use poise in this game!
>poise doesnt exist
(stats)
>poise: 23
wheres my hyper armor stat bro
>>335652114
It is almost nothing when compared to how easy it is to catch someone in a straight sword r1 spam.
It really doesn't have wide sweeps considering its r2 and l2 are both useless, it just has a little bit more range.
>>335652223
Yeah. Greirat can die when you send him out a second time but is saved by who ever has the Caterina armor.
The third time you sen DC him out ge apperently has to die, but I don't think it's confirmed that he has to die
>>335652534
>wheres my hyper armor stat bro
It's mislabelled as poise
>>335652423
Why bother having armour if your weapon type determines your defensive options?
>>335652534
don't sperg out on me before reading my post properly
there's clearly signs of them experimenting with poise, and a config file with the option to enable it, what I am saying is that their choice to not have it on is good
>>335652423
but you have poise stat ingame and it does nothing, hyper armor is there even with 0 poise
>>335652476
dark souls is the only good game thats talked about here
your kicking me out?
the fuck did i do?
>>335652678
this might blow your mind, but armor actually determines not only your defense but also your rolling speed
ridiculous, I know
>>335651221
>Some NPCs questline events have been made easier to trigger.
Okay, but which
>>335652158
I don't know. Longswords are better though. I assure you you'll be a lot faster and more dps with a straight than any other weapon in the game
>>335652690
i think its still "on" just used differently
during swings only, so you dont hit someone and then suddenly they swing and you get stunlocked til death like the lightning claymore was doin to niggas in dark souls 1
>>335652845
I assume patches or greirat
>fuck up the patches quest since he didn't want to leave while siegward was in irithyll
>>335650890
The problem is that since Vigor is separate now, wearing heavy armor requires far more stat investment than before.
>>335653084
Patches randomly fuckin dissappeared on me during my first playthrough
i think its cus i killed Greirat cus he was useless
>>335653005
that's hyper armor
it's not effected by your poise stat, but by your weapon class and attack type
>>335653101
I think the main problem is that the medium roll is incredibly good, nobody cares about going for the light rolls because you already get infinite iframes from the medium, so you get everyone getting as close to 70% equip load as possible
it kinda fucks with diversity a lot
>>335653101
rings were the problem with me, i barely levelled weight capacity for a while
when a 0.4 heavier ring fucks ur shit up idk time to figure something out
also havels ring is shit now
>>335653267
ur fuckin hyper armor
nowhere is it called hyper armor, anywheres
>>335653296
Yeah. Since Poise is completely different now and there is abso-fucking-lutly no reason to wear heavy armor anymore.
There is barely a reason to level Vigor.
>>335653369
its just a term coined from fighting games, unless you find a more accurate term and then make everyone else use it why even bother arguing
>>335653424
you know defense and resistances are still a thing right, they didn't remove those
>>335650002
Assuming pve, Reg club is slow with shit range. Same with reinforced, since you arent going to be bleeding everyone to death.
So its between l. club and g. club. G club is slower than l club, yet only does like 5 more damage.
Therefore the answer is large club. Now, why are you so fucking club bound? Rping captain caveman?
>>335653556
I wanted to rp a shaolin monk. Since there is no spinny santiers spear, going to pretend clubs are staves.
>>335653528
They don't scale well, I think the system is multiplicitive, so having lots of heavy armor doesn't give you a massive boost.
>>335653424
Its called defence you dumb shit
I swear you are the same morons who cried for 150 meta in dark souls 2 and cried that defense was useless and then complained about getting 3 shot by robflynn
>>335653704
Partizan has slicing r2s and 360 spin art, as close as you might get
>>335653874
How about having to level vigor to carry heavy weapons and shield properly
>>335653528
They don't scale pretty much at all.
Wearing medium armor is best used because you will never over reach passed 35% damage mitigation. and everything hits you like a truck anyway so there is no point.
Can't be a tank anymore. Can power through attacks like you used to.
Heavy armor is pointless now. rather keep the weight down so your can get those invincibility frames on rolls.
>>335654068
Levelling vigour just to use greatshields is just inefficient.
How do I boost my odds of winning 1v3 ganks? I was thinking of switching to sorcery and hiding behind mobs while wearing an obscuring ring. Would that even work?
>>335653443
i know bro. i was just bored.
>>335654262
Parry fish for invuln
>>335654262
git gud
>>335654262
Get a weapon that has a big horizontal arc
Use every tool at your disposal, there is no honor in a 1v3
>>335653167
Greirat sells some pretty good stuff, including the Lothric Knight Sword which is really good but a bitch to farm
>>335654262
You need a lot of stamina, and like the other guy said, a big weapon with a big swing that can hit many targets at once.
>>335654262
I have good luck harassing with a compound bow. Short bows in this game are pretty fucking awesome.
>>335654917
That roll attack is too damn good
>>335654917
wheres the compound bow found?
>>335652476
i stole this meme, thanks
>>335656140
Meme too, danks
>>335655036
Meant to say composite bow and the handmaiden sells it when you give her the dreamchaser's ashes from farron keep. It's like the short bow with better str scaling so it's better for quality builds.
>>335654262
try to hold the ganksquad until second invader appears.
>>335654974
I appreciate they finally made bows good again but the limits to carrying capacity and storage capacity are kinda annoying. At least let me keep an assload in storage so I'm not visiting a vendor to stock up on standard arrows constantly.
>hyper armor
>hyper armor
>hyper armor
>hyper armor
In every other game (mainly fighting games) it's called "Super Armor". Hyper is like some preteen's mary sue fantasy of having HYPER ARMOR DOOD.
>>335654262
Invade in places the Aldritch Faithful can invade and team up with them.
>>335652845
Welcome to Japanese style patch notes.
They're usually pretty vague, even with MMOs
>>335649027
No idea. Just beat the game on my STR character using this and after the credits and such went to make my second character (DEX) and got hit with update.
If it got nerfed then oh well. It's not like a DEX build will need it.
Probably gonna fuck around with the whip for shits and giggles next.
>>335649794
Can you even explain why it's good other than people told you?
Broadsword is everything good about this sword but better. Only 10 dex requirement, get it even earlier, slightly more damage, better weapon art, and better R1 animation. Dark sword is just lucky its in a good weapon type, not even close to being the best in it's type.
Why isn't anyone talking about this bad boy?
>Dark Sword's R1 fuckery
>but with wider swings and maybe even faster
>and bleed
>at the same damage output
>>335657168
how do you get this weapon?
>>335658021
I believe you get it in the Catacombs because I'm pretty sure it's what the big skellies use.
It's "Carthus" the same as the rolling rings you get down there.
Just searching it, yeah it's a drop from skellies that use it.
>>335657164
What are you talking about? It does much more damage than broadsword and has much better reach.
>>335649027
It doesn't have a Pommel despite being a primarily swinging weapon.
They also got rid of the sheath when they finally let you sheath weapons by two handing the shield without making the weapon just disappear.
>>335658021
>Catacombs bonfire, turn right, go past the door, kill the red eye skeletons till it drops
>>335650269
You need to be 18 to post on this wesbsite
>>335657168
is the greatsword version any good? got one from a drop but i don't how to feel about it, i just end up going back to the claymore
>>335656890
Is there a reason these slanty fucks are so lazy they can't type up proper patch notes?
>>335658630
They don't want to spoil anything.
>>335650523
kinda good for heavy weapons but pretty bad for medium weapons. poise backstabs could be solvable by any number of ways that wouldn't mean rendering armor generally useless. also the leo ring is trash on every weapon that isn't an estoc because you can't try to trade on counterhits anymore.
>>335652010
unless there were no poise in a non-attacking stance, but also not the current shit where poise only starts mid-swing
unless maximum poise values without additional value from swinging a heavy weapon or using iron flesh or perseverance or some shit were below a typical heavy weapon 2H R1 but still above most 1H R1s, or fast weapon 2H R1s. but not the current shit where only heavy swings have any actual effect at all.
>>335658189
It takes one little trip to the wiki to fact check, bruh. You don't have to be wrong all the time.
>>335649027
>roll backwards to dodge first attack
>phantom reach hits me on the second
lel k
>>335661381
You need to take scaling into account as well.
How good are the scythe battle arts? Also does it still have a sweet spot?
>>335651221
>Made the requirement for joining the Rosaria's Fingers less strict.
So...Sirris is done being a bitch then?
>>335663308
Scythe battle arts is basically a "you will never hit anyone but someone whos controller just ran out of power" type of attack. It's slow as fuck, obvious as fuck, and for all those drawbacks its damage isn't even that incredible. Could be ok in pve when you can predict mobs running at you, but beyond that its shit.
>>335654262
forget sweeps
just gets the highest damage possible
DPS is nice and all but ganks are always a clusterfuck and if a 2 hit combo guarantees a kill then your odds of winning 1v3 have boosted
dark sword or estoc or whatever gay shit may have more DPS but if you are only you are probably gonna get max 3 hits in at a time with them if it's 1v3, just go for the big damage
>>335649027
im running it at 50/10 with heavy and its AR is 412, stomp weapon art makes me play a lot of mindgames and its poisebreal is un-fucking-believable.
the fact it attacks so fast and has massive reach also helps.
>>335657168
because like the dark sword, it is parrybait
especially with that fucking stupid ass caestus shit
now storm curved sword, that is a weapon
>>335663537
>Scythes haven't been good since DaS1.
Fucking kill me.
Should i do Lothric Castle or Archdragon peak first. Im scared im nearing the end and dont wan to hit the PoNR.
>>335664017
Do everything until you get to the Kiln of the First Flame, then go to Archdragon Peak
>>335663984
looks like you havent played bloodborne
>>335664017
do archdragon peak as soon as its available
>>335664131
I have a ps4 but I didn't get BB. I actually only own three games for it, Ground Zeros, Rocket League, and Destiny (friends all got it, it was okay/10). Just like playing on PC more.
Am I a pleb for using summons for alot of the boss fights in DS2?
So many of them are against multiple shitty enemies at once that would be piss easy on their own, but because they cant make hard enemies they just spam shitty ones at you at every turn.
>>335651221
>Fixed a bug where Siegward would fail to save Greirat even though the conditions have been met.
THAT WAS JUST A BUG?
I THOUGHT I FUCKED SOMETHING UP BUT GREIRAT DIED FOR NO REASON?
fuck this game
>>335649027
Nothing, /v/ is shit at PvP and shits all over it because they get rekt going up against it.
how should i infuse a bandit knife?
So if they've fucked around with Greirat's quest, help me get an idea on how to proceed:
>Save Sieg in well
>Kill Wolnir
>Send Greirat to Irithyll
What do I do at this point?
>Progress through Irithyll, ignore Sieg in kitchen, kill Pontiff, potentially lose Sieg's quest but save Greirat?
>Progress through Irithyll, talk to Sieg in kitchen, he moves to the cell in the dungeon, kill Pontiff, potentially lose Greirat?
Last time I fucked up because I went to the Distant Manor bonfire near the Irithyll lake, which is a flag that kills Greirat, no matter what you do.
>>335664131
Killed me to go back to the shitty dark souls scythes after loving the burial blade.
>>335663984
>not liking the Pontiff Knight Greatscythe
S dex with a nice L2 that buffs it for extra frost damage.
>>335661381
>Scaling
>Heavy infusion
>>335649027
Drake sword of DS3
>>335652635
There's a way to save him but it isn't confirmed how.
>>335649027
So do people not like the Dark Sword because they think it's too good for PvE or is it too good for PvP?
>>335656669
Hyper armor renders you fully immune super armor usually only eats one hit
>>335651221
they buffed greatswords.
>>335665691
The damage, attack speed and stamina consumption makes it too good for anything when it's heavy infused. In the same amount of time it will out damage most big weapons and all small weapons while using considerably less stamina and requiring less precise timing than bigger weapons. It's just too good for how effortless it is to utilize.
>>335663984
scythes were only good in das1 because of the running attack dead angle
>>335666234
You're not wrong, but that was last patch, a week or so ago.
