http://operationrainfall.com/2016/04/24/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-altered-western-release/
This enough to stop you from playing? Or will it be like Fates or Xenoblade Chronicles X where it's no big deal?
K...K...K...K...K-K-K-K
>>335413852
Only buying the special edition to see if i can sell it for profit later, nintendo can eat shit
Don't care. Just wanna play it
>>335414018
After Devil's Third getting a reprint, I doubt it
I bet it's to keep their ESRB rating down. I guess they don't think a "Mature" rated game with high impact sexual violence will sell.
>>335414018
>People are getting tricked into doing this still
>They think shit games will resell
>They don't remember Devil's Third
Is NoA doing the localization?
Oh no! We can't see implied anime titties! Grow up you fucking virgins. Besides, covered breasts make them look better and gives off an aura of mystique.
I hate idolshit outside of porn so I wasn't planning on touching it anyway.
>>335414219
That's retarded, Persona 4 had an M rated and it's retardedly popular
>>335414219
Ur dum
>>335414219
I don't know why though, they could probably rate it M for Mature like Persona 4, it wouldn't deter the target audience. I guess rating it T is better since they can walk into gamestop without needing ID to buy a game they want???
>>335414393
Atlus is, NoA is just "supervising" it.
>>335414393
They're publishing the game, that means they pay for it to be manufactured and released, market it, and have directive control of anything regarding it even after signing on a different company to actually do the localization, in this case Atlus USA.
>>335413852
>This enough to stop you from playing?
>implying the game itself didn't stop me from playing the moment it outed itself as retarded weeb garbage that has nothing to do with FE or SMT
I'm still going to buy it. Enjoy your shitpost thread.
>>335414778
>he wont get the hot tub dlc
>>335413852
I think its insane they need to fucking cover up regular swim suits. Who the fuck does Nintendo think even plays these games?
This isn't even about censorship brigade, it's fucking about Nintendo being an incompetent fucking mess. I swear, I will never purchase anything Nintendo after this game. I don't even care anymore.
The Wii U and 3DS have been just a depressing affair, and I try to find confidence and hope in the company, but they keep tripping on their own feet. Fuck them.
>>335414745
I hate that the game was changed so much in development. How hard would it have been to just make even Devil Survivor with a loose thread of a plot as a spinoff, instead of making PERFORMAS and IDORUS?
>>335414778
>posts pic of hot springs dlc, which is probably cut out
Enjoy your butchered gamr anon
>Atlus localizing under close supervision from NOA.
Atlus needs to pack up and leave the N camp. Probably already thinking about it.
>>335414864
This, Etrian Odyssey 5 is the final Nintendo game I'm buying only because I love EO and I know that it'll never get censored.
Still baffles my mind how this relates to SMT or FE in anyway...
>>335415012
All we can hope for is their games to be flops so Nintendo stops financing them and loses money.
They deserve every loss coming their way.
>>335415012
Imagine what would happen if Persona 4 was translated under Nintendo at this point
Nah, what stopped me from getting it is how bastardized the FE characters are to the point that you can't even recognize them.
I can tolerate everything else but that, Fuck this game.
>localized game published by nintendo
I wasn't going to buy it in the first place. It looks like trash
>The point of SMTxFE was how fucked up the Idol industry actually is.
>Every other aspect of SMTxFE was just awful in comparison.
>Censor the only thing that makes SMTxFE worth playing
>People still want to play it
...why?
Reviews are good so I'm gonna play it. It looks fun.
>>335414745
Keep spouting that meme.
>>335415298
weebs and nintendofans will literally eat shit from iwatas anus
>>335413852
Still getting it, as I really want to play it. I'll try and find it used though. I'm also not buying any more Nintendo systems until they stop this censorship bullshit. I've had every system (except for Virtual Boy) that they've released so far, but I'm done with them after the Wii U and 3DS die. I've always been an idort anyways, so I doubt it will be difficult to do.
>>335414862
That's literally just a movie and costumes. You'd get the same experience watching it on youtube.
>>335415298
That's actually the first good argument I've heard about the censorship actually making a difference in the game itself.
It does kind of ruin the whole point of the game.
>>335415173
>every scene with corpses removed
>dark undertones removed
>Nanako's death removed
>final boss removed because it's too creepy
>rewritten so that Saki doesn't die and just moves out of town
wew
>>335415535
They've been doing this since the NES
>>335413852
You really don't need to make the same fucking thread ten thousand times.
I was never planning to buy this game to begin with. It's kind of funny how 99% of the threads about this game now revolve around its censored localization.
>>335415713
Someone in Japan must have discovered that controversy is the best way to get your game noticed by Western gamers.
Does anyone else remember when people kept suggesting that Persona 5 would be Wii U exclusive?
How the 3DS would get a legit Persona game?
I sit here, kinda scared if it were to happen, and how awful the final product would turn out to the point I may have even skipped out on something I was looking forward to for years.
Jesus Christ, I hope Nintendo just keeps ruining their own IPs and stops paying external devs, its like a horror show whenever they get involved in anything.
>>335415943
i did. Was that around 2013 or 2014? Makes me wonder how things went downhill in a matter of years..
>>335415943
On second thought, I hope the new SMT isn't fucked up FUCK.
Atlus needs to drop them.
>>335415943
>Does anyone else remember when people kept suggesting that Persona 5 would be Wii U exclusive?
>How the 3DS would get a legit Persona game?
No.Never heard that at all..
>>335415943
That was console wars shitposting you dumbass.
>>335415697
Nice meme. They did this in the NES and SNES days, and then stopped like any reasonable company. They only started back up again recently, and their changes are less logical than they've ever been.
>>335413852
Damn it. Why even?
Western countries have bikini shoots in far more places, and far more risque as well. If anything light gravure shit like this should be even more ok here than there.
>>335414219
And right away, there's yet another Nintoddler making excuses for this shit.
>B-but they'll get an M-rating if they have pictures of girls on the beach wearing swimsuits instead of burkas!
Neck yourself you fucking tard. Dancing All Night LITERALLY had high school girls dancing in bikinis, and what was that rated?
I'm not even an EOP so this shit doesn't affect me unless something like what happened with Star Ocean 5 happens, but holy fuck is it infuriating to not only see NoA treat their customer base like 6 year olds and said 6 year olds defend it by making excuses for them. All of the censoring shit NoA has done in the last 30 years jas been because of fucking moralfaggotry, not ratings, and not laws. It's just been them pushing their soccer mom agenda down your throat even though you're 36 and still buying their garbage.
I'm done giving money to games that do this shit. These aren't games for children, but Nintendo of America is so goddamned stupid that they think that kids are still buying their shit. They've been doing this since the nes days, crying "think about the children, we better remove the booze and crosses"
The whole audience are neckbeards and man children now, so just stop buying games when they do this.
>>335415943
Just look how much Nintendo ruined Persona Q and SMT IV.
Oh wait.
>>335416431
Only NoA is retarded enough to think that some parent would buy anime waifu shit for their kids. Plus it's 2016 and kids just watch minecraft and play mobile games now
>>335416431
Nintendo has this weird, retarded stick up their ass.
They now think everyone should be treated like a young child, amiibos should be shoved in everyone's faces constantly along with mobile phone apps, and that we want games that are the same shit over and over.
Seriously, what the fuck was their output in the last few years? It's been entirely uninspired and lacking. Look at the new Starfox, controls aside, its simply below average, where they could have spent a lot more time making the MP good or adding 30+ stages.
They are fucking lazy and they take advantage of retards with brands instead of quality.
I don't get it
Why was Bayonetta fine? Even Platinum was baffled.
>>335416585
To be fair, Nintendo doesn't publish them or fund them. SMT 4 was altered though, nipples were removed from a few monsters.
Persona Q was like a kiddy Saturday morning cartoon, I doubt there is anything to even censor, since the story is so minimal and the characters looked like shit.
Tsubasa is too cute for confused Nintendo player's dicks.
>>335413852
Millions of people post on 4chan.
Why can't you guys contact the people behind these changes somehow?
>>335415535
>I'll try and find it used though. I'm also not buying any more Nintendo systems until they stop this censorship bullshit.
If you're short on cash, trying to find it for cheap (which I kind of doubt you would), then there really is no reason to buy it used.
If you buy the game, you'll support localizations with Japanese audio intact.
If you don't buy the game, it won't affect their policies regarding censorship whatsoever, since there is no way they would correlate low sales to censorship as opposed to numerous other factors.
So basically. Supporting the game supports better localizations. And boycotting it, doesn't help localizations at all.
I'll repeat though, if it's your wallet speaking then do whatever you feel like if it's tight. But if you're doing this on principle and spending money on it anyway, then you have no reason not to support it with a first-hand copy.
this game is gonna bomb, (because it looks like rancid shit and it's on the wii u), but when it does bomb the anti censorship weebs will be all "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED."
>>335416682
>Look at the new Starfox, controls aside, its simply below average, where they could have spent a lot more time making the MP good or adding 30+ stages.
>They are fucking lazy and they take advantage of retards with brands instead of quality.
I have to wonder if the real brains behind Nintendo games moved onto somewhere else, because we get stupid shit like Paper Mario Color Splash which is Sticker Star 2.0
What is the difference? The images look the same
>>335416682
I think it's all because Nintendo used to appeal to children. Then those children grew up, and the current children stopped playing traditional video games. As usual, Nintendo is several years behind and keeps making games for kids, and all of the manchildren who still play games buy it. If they don't change, Nintendo is fucked, because even the most autistic fans are starting to tire of this cookie cutter copy and paste shit.
>>335416856
most things on the wii u bomb, including the console.
here's hoping its a trend for nintendo
>>335416732
Nintendo and Nintendo of America are not the same. NoA specifically had nothing to do with Bayo 2, and Platinum did the localization themselves. Nintendo isn't the one with the retarded moralfaggotry crusade,NoA is.
>>335415684
forgetting
>Rise's dungeon removed, her and Teddie join automatically
>Kanji removed from the game
>Marie still in the game
I assume all of you are underage, because noa has been doing this for decades
>>335416992
no it's just an arbitrary thing done by treehouse because nintendo jp doesn't care and is giving them full authority to do what they want to make their shit sell
>>335417082
Why does a bunch of games get localised by them but not Bayo?
>>335416981
Top has the idol pictures wearing bikinis and sleeveless shirts in photoshoots, bottom has them wearing long-sleeved shirts and changes the poses
They literally butchered it without spending 5 minutes to think about why those images are in that dungeon to begin with
>make shitty game for weeb nerds
>censor game to make third wave feminists happy
kek, can't wait for them to wonder why it sells like shit
>>335415606
>That's actually the first good argument I've heard about the censorship actually making a difference in the game itself.
You haven't heard it before? People brought that up even before any changed were confirmed, just in case they would happen.
People kind of called this beforehand and critiqued it back then.
That entire dungeon is about the messed up parts of gravure shoots. The lead-up to the dungeon, and especially the very dungeon itself, and to a lesser extent the resolution and conclusion of that arc, was critique of the gravure industry.
>>335417130
>altering a couple of images is now the same as removing entire characters and dungeons
>amerifats are now triggered by swimsuits
good more for me autists
>>335417235
Bayo already had a localization before it was released in the US, most Japanese devs don't give a fuck about the NA audience (as they shouldn't) so they just let NoA do everything.
>>335417317
They've already removed entire gameplay features in Fates.
>>335417229
Its not that they don't care, it just that they were convinced by NoA that these changes are necessary.
Some changes like FF5 require the studio cooperation, and for this to happen they have to go through NoJ.
>>335417229
Blaming the treehouse as some big bogeyman is pretty stupid. Nintendo has always censored risque elements of their anime waifu games in America. Sure, Treehouse is responsible for many of the changes, but its really jsut NoA as a whole that has been fucked since forever.
>>335417229
Treehouse has absolutely no say over this game.
Even if the rumor that the changes are mandated by Nintendo and not Atlus on their own, it's NoA and not Treehouse that are the cause.
>>335417346
WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE WITHOUT THE GLASS
>>335414724
You fags said the same shit about Bravely and you were wrong then.
>>335414864
>Who the fuck does Nintendo think even plays these games?
Irrelevant, people will complain and bring (more) negative attention to Nintendo. Blame the current state of the industry.
>>335417601
>people will complain and bring (more) negative attention to Nintendo.
This is a good thing, this should build up more to make the NX another failure.
It's like they're trying to make this game fail.
>>335417646
>(You)
>>335413852
I am still getting the game since I really do want to play it. And since I love the fact that they're actually localizing it with the Japanese audio, which I feel like should be applauded.
As bad as the censorship is, and it's fucking terrible, a dub only localization would have been far, far worse. Making it outright unplayable even to one's best efforts.
That said though. This actually makes me very sad. That dungeon was great. The atmosphere to it was creepy and the final stretch, picture related, was outright scary. I hope the alterations haven't ruined the final stretch too much. Because the altered photos on the way throughout the dungeon already confirmed are bound to have already neutered the experience somewhat. But that final stretch was still legit. And I really do hope that it hasn't been ruined too much, since I really am looking forward a lot to be playing it myself. And with the beautiful Japanese audio to boot.
>>335413852
>it's just swimsuits
Why hard.
Or is it nintendrones not liking anything remotely sexual or anime based again? Or not following Tyler's advice?
I like how you waited an hour to make the exact same thread.
Good Luck! Hope this one makes it to 500 posts too!
>>335417693
I think they are, like with Fatal Frame V being digital only just so they'll have an excuse not to do anything besides Mario and Zelda.
I mean one of the selling points of the game according to Amazon is
>Savor the fan-service with original songs by Japanese entertainment giant Avex, stylish costumes, and much more
>>335417795
>And since I love the fact that they're actually localizing it with the Japanese audio, which I feel like should be applauded.
You do understand they would had gladly dub it if it was worth the trouble and cost? Don't applaud them for it.
>>335414436
>gives off an aura of mystique.
you sound like a fucking virgin.
>>335414520
So do other niche games such as Fallout, Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Grand Theft Auto, and Call of Duty. Truly, it is a mystery how these M-rated hidden gems manage to sell millions of copies more than mainstream successes like Fire Emblem Fates.
I fucking hate NoA.
Spats>>>>>Panties
All females should wear spats. When you change something to an objectively better version, it's not censorship
So where's the next version of neocucks celebrate being pandered to?
>Atlus localizes DT2
>Way before release the announce that they had to alter 4 CGs. Listing the ones they altered and why they did it.
>Nintendo has Atlus localize #FE
>Don't worry guys nothing was censored and even if it was it was its not our fault
>>335418163
It's not exactly the same, now it links to a different blog.
>all those #FE hate threads giving a game free PR here
Its like vtards learned nothing from Fates sales chart
>>335418795
Fatlus is almost always shit. Dub only, memefied localization.
Check Code of Princess if you want an example.
>>335419040
>sells good for a week and then drops off the face of the earth
yeah that censorship sure did work :^)
>>335415173
>no honorifics in the dub
I'll take it
>>335415684
>>335417130
>All Personas/Demons related to Christianity removed
>Game takes place in scenic Inaba USA
>>335418324
>You do understand they would had gladly dub it if it was worth the trouble and cost?
There is a very small chance that they were just busy with other work and couldn't get it done money disregarded. But that really is unlikely.
The interesting thing in this case is that the Japanese audio is likely far more expensive whatever they would have invested into the dub. The true reason behind the Japanese audio being intact is probably a very favourable deal with Avex, in regards to the recordings of the voices and music to begin with. Since that's all on their end, but unlike most of the time when voices and audio are recorded in games, Avex are actually a very notable publisher when it comes to #FE in the first place. What with being fully in charge of music and drama side of things, while also assisting with the rest of the publishing. Needless to say, they're very involved and the voices being used world-wide is likely on them.
If they weren't as involved as they are with the actual production of the product itself, they likely would have charged Nintendo an arm and a leg for the license.
All that said though. It doesn't really matter if Nintendo would have gladly dubbed it if they could. That's all the more reason for why I want #FE to do well in the west. To prove to them that the dub isn't needed, so that they won't so much feel them to be required in the future.
Just a shame that #FE likely won't do anywhere near enough for them to get such a message, but the better #FE does the better. If it does poorly they'll just take that as a definite answer of Japanese audio never ever working in the west. And that idea is just terrible.
haha send mails to these cunts
>>335413852
Of course not retard. Censorship sells. This is no longer something defended, it's praised.
>>335419040
>b-but muh three versions its not counts
This.
>So close to minimal shitposting aside from the usual "what went wrong" threads
>This happens
I just want comfy threads talking about the actual gameplay and story.
>>335419170
you sure taught them!
>>335419040
Fates also sold over 500k in Japan.
Guess how many copies this travesty sold?
>>335418775
Panties > spats > localized #FE black voids under skirts
>>335417308
Sounds exactly like the Fatal Frame gravure photo shoot cutscene. Intended to make the player feel uncomfortable and empathize with the girl, and by NoA incompetently changing the outfit to something more mild, it just instead comes off as the girl being stuck up and too good for what we see as a normal photo shoot.
Basically Nintendo needs to just keep their fucking hands off of games rated above 13 years old. They butcher them with the localization.
>>335417308
for fuck's sake it's just men not understanding girls' kimochi
Reminder to use offensive language in your posts. Some shill agencies now have a requirement to report in your posts if they have rude words. Make these fucking retarded niggers do extra work if they want to fit in.
>>335419321
Try neogaf or reddit or another hugbox, this is shitpost central.
>>335419425
More than enough to make a second game concert and sequel happen.
>>335419125
Game is not even out in Europe and you're already this mad/ How does it feel to know that your censorship banters don't affect the sales one bit? :^)
>>335416835
Nah it's not my wallet I'm worried about. I didn't consider the jap audio thing though. Maybe I'll get it new after all.
>>335419598
>this hand
Fucking turkroaches shitposting in #FE-threads, who could've thought.
>>335419321
>Actual gameplay
Simplistic timer-based combat where choosing any attack attack at all practically guarantees your teammates stack on further attacks automatically. Battles are often shorter than the loading screens to reach them.
>Story
Tons of ideas from the "Persona 5 scrapped concepts" trash bin.
>>335419598
>that disgusting hand
>>335413852
>Or will it be like Fates or Xenoblade Chronicles X where it's no big deal?
How exactly is some memegirl's cleavage a big deal?
>>335419598
>this is the hand of your typical feg fag
Fucking Christ, absolutely the worst fanbase on the planet.
I beat that 99% of this thread don't even own a WiiU.
>>335418795
Atlus never said which 4 CGs were edited in DT2. Still took one anon a week and a half of constant play in order to run into the first CG.
In the grand scheme of things, the censoring was predictable, and for someone that doesn't have a stick up their ass, the blowjob and fish loli edits were understandable. The other 2 barely showed anything to begin with
it was already censored in japan so it's not like this makes a difference. cucks gonna get cucked.
>>335420064
I own a CemU.
>>335420064
Come on it doesn't affect the gameplay but censoring is annoying.
>>335420064
No shit Sherlock. It was a sonyggers central from the start.
>>335419040
"Free PR" didn't help Fatal Fame 5, and it won't help this game. More awareness on a board that's already made up its mind won't influence anything, dumb tsubasa poster
Is anyone even surprised at this point?
>>335417317
>>335417396
And story items in Bravely Second.
>>335420064
Whatever you say, Allison.
I always pass on cencored games out of principle, no matter what it is.
Fortunately cemu is coming along nicely so if I ever feel like it I'll get to play the real version anyway, some autist is bound to dump a jap iso with english text put in.
>>335419165
>To prove to them that the dub isn't needed, so that they won't so much feel them to be required in the future.
They wouldn't contribute the success to the JP voices in the first place, you retard. Not like it matter, since this game has no chance of success in the west.
>>335419040
That's not how it works.
This isn't a Dragon's Crown scenario, because FE has an artistic integrity deficit.
>>335420518
>Putting in censored english text
Top cuck.
>>335420327
Fatal Frame always was a niche as fuck. It sold decent enough for the installment. Not to mention that people playing in this series for the horror not your shitty fanservice elements.
Kanji and Rise would have their character arcs assassinated if this happened in persona.
>>335413852
Did anything expect anything else? NoA are literally incapable of not fucking up anymore.
>>335420604
More people probably bought it for the tacked on Samus and Zelda costumes.
>>335420604
>everything is fanservice
>>335420327
Reminder that Fatal Frame V was FREE TO START. And also not a very good game.
>>335419598
I vomited a little. Kill yourself.
>>335417538
But that's not wrong. NoA supervised the localisations of both Bravely games and are responsible for the censorship in them.
>>335419321
The gameplay and story are shit. You are better off playing almost any other Atlus game, UNLESS idols are the main selling point.
If you want a hugbox go create a general on /vg/
>/v/ is so fucking overrun with ignorant normalfags that they defend censorship that even neofag doesn't
I wish 4chan was taken down when Moot left.
>>335418473
Lmfao forreal
>>335413852
>This enough to stop you from playing?
No, the crushing disappointment of SMT x FE being idolshit was a far bigger dealbreaker than whatever the hell this is. I'm already going to play this mourning over what could have been. If anything, the localization does a tiny bit of work against the idolshit, but at this point, I seriously wouldn't mind heavy localization because that's how much I hate idols.
>>335420737
Yeah, not to mention that Samus suit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shitty gravure bikinis
>>335420812
>The gameplay and story are shit.
You haven't played the game.
>this fatlus is good meme ITT
>nich maragos the lead FE Fates localizator came from there
They are not much better than the treehouse, the only difference is they only bring weeb games so they can't get away with the same shit.
>>335420405
No. But you always have that last bit of hope that MAYBE they'll start listening to their fans...
>>335413852
>altered
>not CENSORED
Seriously, stop the shilling.
>>335413852
>shitty weeb game gets fucked up
Who cares? It's garbage
>>335420812
>playing Atlus games
You are better off not playing games.
>people complaining about never getting japanese audio
>boycotting because of the usual censorship
Were all of you just spouting hot air when you claimed that the voices were important to you?
Or did you just feel like whining in every past dub only release even though you wouldn't have bought it even if it had the original voices anyway?
>>335420853
>I hate entertainers from another country that don't affect my life at all RREEEEEEEE
You are fucked in the head kid
>>335413852
>This enough to stop you from playing
Its stopping me from giving my money to Nintendo and/or Atlus for this product at least. I may play it, but I'm not buying it brand new. I'll get it used or just emulate it once emulation improves. I will not support butchered releases.
>>335415119
There's nothing to censor in EO anyway.
>>335419598
>these are the people you buy used games off of on ebay.
>>335420812
>no argument whatsoever
Lol keep your shitposting up. More you shitpost about it - more trending it becomes.
>>335421026
>taking a step forward and back again
>>335420327
the censorship of that game wasn't the problem, it was the fact it was digital only and 16 gigs
>>335420243
And yet you still wouldn't play it if it wasn't
>>335416797
Don't lump me together with neoFAGs, senpai.
>>335421080
By playing a translated game at all, it means it's butchered.
>>335420604
>playing FF5 for the horror
Where's the horror in that game? Everyone looks pretty, clothes get wet and see through all the time, the ghost roster is almost entirely made out of women seductively floating with a huge cleavage and moaning all the time.
5 is the god damn worst in terms of horror
Reminder that when Degica announced that the previous Japanese Vita-exclusive game Eternal Destiny was coming to PC, they announced that it would have censored card art. There were many complaints, and after seeing them, they said they'd look into it and possibly make changes. A few days later, they announced that the game would feature the option to switch back and forth between the original card art and the censored card art and that they listened.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/377880/discussions/0/368542844486831182/
http://steamcommunity.com/app/377880/discussions/0/371919771744716590/
Your word does matter to these companies so make sure to actually complain to them specifically instead of just whining on weeaboo image boards.
http://atlus.com/contact/
[email protected]
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/index.jsp
I might end up getting it anyway since I have nothing else upcoming on Wii U to play until Zelda U. Plus I'm guessing it'll be rare if the low JP sales are anything to go by.
I am do fucking done supporting shit companies. I'm pirating this if/when emulation or 5.5.1 homebrew is out, and I'm pirating EO5, fuck you Atlus. Grow some balls.
>>335421229
Only shitposters are whining. Nobody gives a shit about outfits.
>>335414778
>anything I don't agree with is a shitposting thread
Please stop
>>335421221
Something being translated doesn't inherently mean it was butchered. /a/ please go.
>>335417527
Loose bikinis.
>>335421229
Uh, pretty sure Nintendo doesn't care about what makes pedos happy
>>335421362
Hell, they just fired one
>>335415410
>Meme
It's not a meme, it's exactly what it was. You can not say that first teaser didn't have everyone believing it was going to be a straight crossover RPG, not a game with elements of the two like kingdom hearts.
>>335413852
Fates were actually a big deal. Still sold a shitload. Censorship doesn't affect the sales in the slightest.
>>335418783
I wish those guys die by the end of the day.
>>335421229
Kek if you think Nintendo will listen. Degica had to listen, this game is pretty much charity from shitendo to their weeb fans.
>>335421212
No. I'm going to buy it but it's getting annoying.
>>335421487
>baaaww my headcannon
Get a fucking life already loser
>>335421347
But I do give a shit about outfits. I give a shit about the smallest things. Copying/pasting my writings from previous threads:
Censorship deters content creators from creating the content they really want to and waters down their creations to something that they didn't intend. Do you not think its extremely presumptuous of you to think one knows better than the original content creator as to what their work should be like? Criticism is welcome, and can improve later works, but changing pre-existing works to be your own vision of what is okay and not okay instead of the creators is wrong and a deterrence to content creators everywhere.
Furthermore, censorship sets a precedent for what others can follow. Companies can look at something censored and say "Well they got away with censoring this, so I guess we can do this" and so on. One shouldn't be setting this precedent. Its harmful to the industry, harmful to creativity, harmful to content creators, and waters down things for consumers. Consumers should be allowed to decide for themselves what is right and wrong and what fits their sensibilities simply based on what they buy and do not buy. If one doesn't like something, they should simply not participate in it. If they do, then go for it.
If one has a problem with content, one should criticize, not censor, a work's messages. The beauty of these sorts of works is that they make you feel something, so why would you water that down? If you are disgusted by a work, that's beautiful in itself. And besides, companies can always add options to games to switch between censored and uncensored content for those who prefer it.
Censorship is abhorrent and wrong, and one shouldn't stand for even the tiniest bit of it.
Furthermore the changes were unnecessary to begin with. There's no good reason for this to exist in the first place.
>>335421229
Degica is the only one who listens.
>>335419106
Yeah the english was really dumb. What's the difference between the Jap and the Eng versions, though?
>>335414018
No one's going to want to buy it. Save your money.
>>335420812
If you were to provide some examples of exactly why the game/story is bad other than "idols are the worst thing to happen to Japan" then maybe I could agree with you.
Also this entire thread is just as bad as a hugbox in terms of differing opinions.
>>335421592
>>335421547
Its proof enough that companies can pay attention to their fans. I don't care how unlikely it is or how much bigger a game and company this is in comparison; complain to Nintendo of America and Atlus. Doing so can do nothing but good. If you don't complain, nothing changes. If you do, something might, something might not. Nothing happens if you don't try.
>>335421556
>"Get a life"
>Getting angry nobody wants your fujoshit game
Get a girlfriend you raging faggot.
>>335421536
well amerifats will buy every turd nintendo shits they're that uneducated
>>335421560
In that case, play the Japanese version then
>>335421560
You sounds like a manchild rapist desu.
>>335421749
>literally spending more hours in threads about a game he doesn't like than playing his smt shit
You are a loser. Get a life.
>>335421756
That doesn't solve the problem. That just makes someone immune to the problem. I don't want immunity; I want games to be treated properly from the get-go. Playing the Japanese version benefits me, but that's not good enough for the reasons I mentioned in that post.
>>335413852
no buy
Both xeno and fates have massive changes.
Half the dialogue is completely different from the original and in xeno all religious themes were removed.
>>335421560
Censorship makes the product more palatable to a larger audience, ergo more profit. Making slutty underage girls into non-pedobait and changing stare-rape targets into actual strong female rolemodels LITERALLY earns developers money.
never forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskJLgwky6A
>>335421748
I complained during Fatal Frame and Xenoblade debacles, see how much it helped.
I'll just stop buying Nintendo products, it's what they want.
![e556b3a2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dEfJ8nD.jpg "e556b3a2[1].jpg")
>>335421034
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_idol
>In Japanese pop culture, an idol (アイドル aidoru?, a Japanese rendering of the English word "idol") is a young manufactured star/starlet marketed as someone to be admired, usually for their cuteness.
Idols are MANUFACTURED. They are not "real". They have insane, obsessive fanbases and can't be who they really are. They can't have boyfriends or get married or their entire career goes down the toilet. It's a creepy profession that screams "fake" and "artificial". SMT and Fire Emblem have nothing to do with idols. Idols are the lowest common denominator of manufactured weebshit hugboxes. People delude themselves into thinking any of it is genuine when it reeks of plastic.
>>335421942
There is no larger audience for this game
None of the girls are slutty, and not underage either thanks to NoA's changes
You don't know what pedophilia is
A female character being sexy, growing up and becoming comfortable with sexuality, femininity,etc does not diminish them as a character or a person.
You are ignorant, and you actually are proud of your ignorance.
This is why video games will struggle as a storytelling medium and art, because gamers are just fucking dumb like you
>>335421876
>That doesn't solve the problem.
It does, because you're so worried about games being censored and not being in their 'original form' or whatever. It's not like you're even discussing something so serious such as a story or anything. Some teenage girl's cleavage got censored, and now you want to talk about principles? Give me a break.
>>335422124
>I hate entertainers from another country that don't affect my life at all RREEEEEEEE
You are fucked in the head kid
>>335421351
>Something being translated doesn't inherently mean it was butchered. /a/ please go.
That's /jp/ retard. /a/ knows the difference between butchered and compromise.
>>335421221 is an idiot if he thinks anything translated is butchered, though. There are a lot of faithful and good translations in the past, even in games.
>>335421837
>Litterally projecting
>Still throwing "Get a life" shamelessly defending a game
I don't know anon, you're the one who came at me with furrowed brows, All I said was it wasn't a meme that the game was not what anybody expected it to be, and there was no way to intrepid that teaser in another form.
If you want to play it it's your own damn choice but don't tell me that wasn't the general consensus on /v/ months, no, years before the announcement.
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>>335421942
Those changes are not there's to make however; its not NoA's/Atlus USA's game. Its entirely possible that if they want that audience, they could release the game with options to toggle in the original content versus the edited content similarly to how a lot of games used to have options for blood and gore and how Degica's Eternal Destiny allows one to switch card art as they desire. They could bring in those that have issue with it and make it available for a wider audience while not alienating some fans who are against censorship while at the same time allowing the content to be left alone in its original state, thus treating the original creator's works better.
>>335422123
Keep complaing. You complained then, but its still happening, so keep complaining. If you don't buy the game, great! But make sure to tell them why.
>>335422212
It was always about principles. You really think I care about something as petty as what clothes a character is wearing? Its ENTIRELY about principles. Its not right to the creators and its harmful to the industry. Even small changes ought' not be tolerated for the reasons I mentioned in that original post.
>>335415239
It's published by Atlus.
>People still care about #FE
Already laughed hard when they announced and im laughing even more now.
Make a game tailor made only for the weebest of people then deny what the weebs want, you can't make this shit up.
>>335422396
>he's still spending more time in threads about game he doesn't like
Time to get a life son
>>335417538
You're retarded. NoA IS responsible for both BD games outside of Japan.
>>335421942
>Censorship makes the product more palatable to a larger audience, ergo more profit.
False. If a game is shit it stays shit.
Also Censorship excludes a lot of content while raising the price of an item. It's why you got fucking piratefags in the Wii U/3DS platform.
>>335422212
>so serious such as a story or anything. Some teenage girl's cleavage got censored, and now you want to talk about principles? Give me a break.
I will never understand this ridiculous American fear or sexual themes. It's extremely unhealthy.
>>335421560
Censorship is terrible. But in the end I just want quality localizations. And when they finally do something right, I want to leave my mark of approval the best I can.
Actually having Japanese audio is a huge step forward. Actually, it being Japanese only makes it even an even bigger leap.
It's to avoid bullshit like picture related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6yHXz850EA
It's when they change the script that localizations truly goes to shit.
Yet I almost get the impression that a lot of you wouldn't even complain at a localization like picture related, for as long as no visuals were censored.
>>335422438
At least search a little.
>>335422304
I hate that a game that could have been so much more based on its components took the easy way out and told the audiences that were actually interested in it to fuck off so it can try and scrape up the completely unrelated obsessive market instead.
>>335421218
You got me, what the fuck.
>>335414898
Fatlus already made a FE-like game using SMT theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JwGHohR3g4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsUMpiOo_uA
Blame DeSu for being director and putingtIdolbullshit ideas
>>335422413
>You really think I care about something as petty as what clothes a character is wearing?
So not only are you aware that what you're freaking out about is silly, but you're still going on anyway?
>Its not right to the creators and its harmful to the industry
Pray tell, how would you know what the creators think? Are you the one localizing their game? Do you know why they do each and every little thing?
>>335417601
No. Nobody will complain about a seventeen year old (aged to eighteen anyway) in a fully covering, normal swimsuit. NOBODY.
Fuck off with this pointless rhetoric.
>>335422124
In exchange for not dating, they get to sing and dance and be paid very well and have tons of fame and fortune. And then, when they want to to stop, they go on with their lives. Don't act like this is some sort of forced slave-labor in terrible conditions. It's honestly ridiculous how many people outside of Japan get their panties in a twist over how entertainers and an industry in another country work.
>>335422679
Making a generic crossover piece of garbage that you wanted would have been the easy way out you stupid ignorant fuckhead.
Seriously grow up, you are spending literally dozens of hours in threads crying like a 2 year old. You should be embarrassed.
>>335422729
In this case, I was hoping for more of an SMT-like game using FE themes.
>>335422729
Fuck off with your 2d showelware hipster garbage already. Not even smtg plays this shit.
>>335413852
Nintendo fucking sucks.
That said, I have reverse interest in this game. It looks like trash.
>>335422768
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6yHXz850EA
Nintendo has had a pro-censorship stance for 30+ fucking years. They do not like to make waves and part of Japan's stereotype of Americans is that they will sue you if they get offended.
If you don't like censorship, don't buy a Nintendo console. They are for children anyway.
>>335421110
This desu
>>335422589
Japanese games with sexualized characters won't fix that. If you really don't like what you see, maybe do something about it? I hear sex education in the US is pretty bad.
>2014
>"Right guys? Nintendo are the only ones that really care about games"
>2015-2016
>"Nintendo are dead!"
I'm just shocked how quick this transition came about.
>>335422626
Localization like that pic wouldn't even happen if there were dual-audio.
>>335422905
why would you care about what those memers play
>>335422948
That's fine you stupid shithead but these mild as fuck swimsuits do not apply.
I reiterate: Not ONE SINGLE soul cares about them; at least before they butchered them.
>>335413852
https://youtu.be/jskJLgwky6A
Daily Reminder
>>335422905
Calm down, Personafagget?
>>335422387
>even in games
Right. Never happened. Only Western games to Japanese have real translations in games.
DAILY REMINDER
Its only okay when Sony does it!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg9OYyPIYNk
So what's the audience for this now? Prude Weeaboos? Does that even exist?
>>335422760
>So not only are you aware that what you're freaking out about is silly, but you're still going on anyway?
Yes! Of course I would! No matter how small, this issue is important to me!
>Pray tell, how would you know what the creators think? Are you the one localizing their game? Do you know why they do each and every little thing?
I don't. But if this was truly the creators' intentions and not the localizers/publishers themselves, then the original game would be getting changed in Japan as well rather than it being a US only thing. The only other option that I could see you trying to argue is that perhaps the creators specifically wanted it changed for the US, but the only reason I could see for that is if they thought it unfit for Western audiences, which means its not being done for the sake of improving their game because they believe it'll do that, but because it is seen as "unfit" for Western audiences and thus censorship as defined by the word itself.
>>335423150
>but these mild as fuck swimsuits do not apply
Yes, they do.
If a character is under age 18 and sexualized even mildly, some soccer mom will probably call UNICEF and dipshit SJWs will write a clickbait article and a few hundred less parents will buy the game for their kids.
All you can do is not support censored releases.
>>335423006
>maybe do something about it?
Yeah, I'm really going to move to your shit country to teach you that sex is perfectly normal part of human nature and stigmatizing it is incredibly unhealthy and strange. The fact you people seriously believe that a 17 year old girl discovering her body, femininity,etc is something that should be censored is just insane. I doubt even those Armish people were really this stupid.
>>335423264
RPG fans who don't care about costume changes
>>335423241
No one was happy about it for Xenosaga either anon
>>335420812
/vg/ doesn't like censorship either.
>>335421178
Quoth the shitposter.
>>335420064
>>335420259
>no! my baseless delusions have to be true! no true fan would criticize based NoA!
Kill yourselves.
Atlus PR confirms it's all Nintendo's fault.
>>335423004
Shhhh. Quiet you.
Just tell people that's a trans Necromancer elf or something.
>>335422626
>expecting quality localization with censorshitp
>>335423387
Prude Weebs then
>>335422828
No, it wouldn't have been the easy way out. Making a crossover RPG between two niche franchises on an HD console that has sold very poorly is the hard way.
Saying "I don't think that would sell a ton so lets try and recoup our losses by ignoring the niche fanbases and instead trying to get money out of the lowest common denominator of fanbases, otaku. They're more willing to mindlessly spend money on cute idols."
>>335422810
And yet it's somehow less genuine than the interviews with singers on American TV where sad music plays in the background while they go on about their tragic past.
>>335422905
This. So fucking tired of pretentious smtmemers. They haven't even played NINE and still trying to act cool.
>>335423387
>RPG fans
They would play real SMT games.
>>335423045
Nintendo is fine. Nintendo of America is the problem.
>>335423578
This.
I want Reggie out of Nintendo. And I want a real Japanese to handle NoA.
>>335423431
>still no arguments whatsoever
Are you retarded or something? Why are you trying so hard?
>>335413852
The censorship didn't stop me from playing Xenoblade X.
What is stopping me is that it's idol garbage so cringeworthy, even the Japanese recoil in horror.
>>335417262
I just noticed that they changed the skin color of the one on the right
>>335423495
>No, it wouldn't have been the easy way out.
No fuckwit. Copypasting an FE game and subsituting Risen or whatever generic monster/zombie enemy with SMT demons is the easy lazy boring game you wanted. Kill yourself already
I'm cancelling my preorder and Final will be the last game I buy on a Nintendo console now.
>>335423323
>the only reason I could see for that is if they thought it unfit for Western audiences, which means its not being done for the sake of improving their game because they believe it'll do that, but because it is seen as "unfit" for Western audiences
Now you're getting it.
The US is seen by Japan as a toxic territory to sell shit in, where they must be careful not to offend people. If you do, you will receive negative publicity and possible lawsuits. It's a mostly inaccurate stereotype, but one that Japan takes seriously enough to err on the side of caution.
This has been well-known since the 8 bit days. See shit like Nintendo's NES censorship directives and making Poison from Final Fight into a tranny.
>>335422626
>Actually having Japanese audio is a huge step forward. Actually, it being Japanese only makes it even an even bigger leap.
>having an incomplete translation is good
Might as well not translate anything at all if you're picking and choosing what parts are worth translating. If the audio is the same language as the text in Japan, the only non-retarded thing to do is to have them be the same in English. Otherwise you're creating inconsistencies.
Sub-only is shit-tier, and it's especially shit in a censored game where the subs don't even go along with what's being said.
>>335422626
I don't consider poor localization to be quite the same as censorship to be honest, unless dialogue is removed for the sake of getting rid of offensive content and similar things like that.
And I personally think dual audio is a far bigger leap localization wise than Japanese only versus English only. Even better if its triple audio.
>>335413852
god bless NoA for ensuring its downfall
>>335423654
What arguments? That was my first post towards you, you blind fanboy.
>>335423045
Think about the things that have happened since 2014:
>amiibo cancer, shoehorning, and shortages
>censorship, shitty translations, and removing content up the ass
>Iwata died
>pushing the New 3DS like crazy for a couple months then completely forgetting that it exists
>Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Chibi-Robo: Zip-Lash, Paper Jam, and more half-baked experiences
>and then they continue to not learn by doing things like this, Star Fox Zero, and Sticker Star 2
I mean I really want to love Nintendo nowadays but they're making it really hard.
>>335423516
>NINE
But i want to enjoy games, do you have to suffer through Ronde to be a cool kid aswell?
>>335423791
>Otherwise you're creating inconsistencies.
Are you assuming that the average casual player is fluent in moon?
Yes, there will be inconsistencies like that shit from .hack but the only way a localization is really hindered by Japanese audio is if you want to change the way characters refer to one another.
