How do we save the Warcraft?
Just let go. It's over.
>>335363152
Resurrect Blizzard North and give them the development lead.
Round up the people who ruined WoW and it's lore and publicly execute them.
game's 12 year old nigga let it go
Warcraft has been dead since 2003, a spinoff called World of Warcraft became the new main series now.
If you see the Warcraft when traveling down a road, kill the Warcraft.
This entire game must be purged.
>>335363152
you move on
Theres already a bunch of WoW threads up
Don't know if its just because WoW has been in the news a lot recently, I really want to play it.
I don't want to play live WoW, I need a MMO to fill the hole, anyone?
>>335363513
What's the game? Black Desert?
>>335364141
TESO
>>335364161
FF14
>>335363513
>FFXIV has a rise in popularity during WoD.
>They then release Heavensward
>Heavenwards fixes none of FFXIV's problems and causes many new ones
>Has less to do end game than WoD
Its a shame really. HW killed FFXIV.
>TFW unsubbed and uninstalled after being sucked in again for a month
I'm just so tired /v/, seriously is anyone playing any good games that aren't Dark Souls 3? I just want to have an adventure. Fallout 4 and MGS5 were such let downs I just don't know where to look anymore.
>>335364501
the problems aren't really an issue and they are actually making an effort to fix them unlike Blizzard who gave up on WoD after 1 major patch.
>>335363513
>reasons for leaving
>NO FLYING
b-but they added flying!
>>335364657
>They're making an effort to fix them
I havent been to on top of FFXIV so far. But last I checked they were two patches in and still nothing to do. Crafting was still worthless. Dungeons and raids were boring and generic, and the classes still had those god awful changes.
jesus christ some people just can't move the fuck on. it's been 12 years, have you thought about just playing another game instead of "fixing" this one?
god I hate wowfags, talk about cancer.
>>335363261
>Blizzard North
but they were the Diablo shop. I don't think they touched the other properties.
>>335364657
The expansion suffered from the problem of - more content, just less of it.
You can clear through the casual content in a few hours. That is unacceptable from a longevity standpoint. The non raid content is faaaar too easy and quick to complete.
Beyond that - they fucked crafting and added no new long term game mechanics that are worth investing time into.
The only reason people play the game is because it's pretty, is a FF ip, and has dumb quirky side content.
>>335364942
They changed a lot within two patches and the next one is due next month.
Crafting is essential to raiding, many PVE and PVP balance changes for the better for jobs, most of everyone agrees that Midas Alexander is the best raid tier since SCOB.
>>335365356
Dungeons and story mode trials are designed to be casual babby mode, Extreme trials and the upcoming deep dungeons/treasure dungeons are for midcore, and Savage is for poopsocking hardcore autists who need to minmax everything.
They admitted they fucked up crafting and made it relevant in 3.2 and are making lots of changes in 3.3
>>335363513
>NO FLYING
Kill you're shelf
Release World of Warcraft 2as an inplace expansion for freeand transition to F2P
It would literally destroy the rest of the MMO market.
>>335364531
>Fallout 4
>MGS5
>Dark Souls 3
how about you stop playing AAA trash games you fucking normie
>>335365730
>Crafting is essential to first week progressive savage raiding
FTFY. Everyone I asked was sick of Alex after the first few weeks, especially those who didnt strive for savage. Having a second half of a goblin raid was a mistake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLCWCPyxByg
>>335363152
Free to Play.
>>335363513
>final fantasy
ahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
It had a good long run. It is time to die and move on.
>>335367532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdV_bzJgRxE
What does /v/ think about FFXIV's NOT POWERMAN5000 theme?
>>335363513
>FFXIV
>>335368007
>All of their raid mechanics have a huge 10 second windup and tells that are more obvious than WoW addons
I know its just normal but EX doesnt get much more complex in that phase.
>play FFXIV
>feels like im moving on fucking ice skates
Why does not a single MMO have the fluid and non tanky movement of WoW ???
Another MMO, but they failed at that and turned it into an FPS.
>>335363152
I too saw this on the front page of Reddit today.
>>335366025
>are making lots of changes in 3.3
They're finally going back to 1.23 combat and will be making content that doesn't become irrelevant the second new content is out?
Wow, all that in an odd numbered patch in the middle of an expansion. I'm impressed SE, I just expected a patch with a pointless 24 man casual raid, 2 pointless hallway dungeons, and a (possibly pointless) trial.
Step 1: Get over Vanilla already.
If you can't get past step one, try this step;
Step 2: Kill yourself you fucking faggot.
>>335368290
This isn't necessarily a jab at WoW, but its because WoW's animations are kind of silly and unrealistically weightless. Your character swings his Armageddon sized 2H swords in an arc in .0001 second which means that your character is rarely stuck in an animation when moving.
>>335364228
Not that guy, but ESO felt kind of wonky. The gameplay is okay, I guess, but actually playing through the game feels like a really long and somewhat boring task.
>>335369291
>$0.05 has been deposited into your account
>>335363513
>A Realm Stillborn player shilling his game instead of playing it
>>335369997
At least it requires that you play it.
Why am I supposed to save a faceless company that is making billions of a game when they won't admit they are wrong and they already turned into shit?
Move the fuck on.
>>335363513
>FF14
>an upgrade to WoW
Unless you're a final fantasy fanboy, not really. I just spent 6 months on heavensward after ""quitting"" WoW. While they have alot of great features and cool content, it isn't even half the game that WoW is from a playability standpoint.
>>335366591
>normie is an insult
wow are you REALLY that insecure?
>>335371335
Funny because I quit because of garrisons.
Now I'm back, I barely pay attention to them and I'm having alot of fun.
>>335373421
I stopped playing WoW back in 2014, never gone back since. I'm having fun with FFXIV right now. I grew up on FF so it hits me in the feels with past ff references.
>>335363513
>move from a dying game to a shit clone that's dying even faster
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>335365016
No game has come out to surpass it yet.
will there ever be a mmo thread that is not Shilled by FFXIV
>>335364228
Fuck you I'm still mad about muh jungle.
>>335374559
No game has come out to surpass Quake yet either, but people move on with their lives.
>>335364758
The requirements to fly are fucking ass tho
One of the five requirements to get the pathfinder achieve requires that you complete every single apexis daily given from your garrison.
The bullshit thing is that i am two apexis events away from completing this, but they never seem to be given to me.
>>335375278
Actually counter strike and halo far surpassed quake.
>>335363152
At long last... no king rules forever my son.
>>335373781
Had alot of fun on FFXIV but there is really nothing to do. They have a very good base to go on and I hope the game continues to improve, I'll probably revisit it at some point.
>>335375950
I finally got around to leveling crafting classes now. I'm hoping to jew on the marketboard in the near future.
Currently doing carpentry and botany. After those are done I'm gonna do fishing and cooking
>>335375278
cs 1.6 had way more depth than quake and it's still being played by 15k+ people
>>335374056
639k active players is pretty good for a sub only MMO that's not WoW.
>>335363513
>FF14
That's just WoW with a 2.5 second GCD though
>>335377056
You do realize the list is going from left to right, yeah?
It's less than 300k
bdo if u like farm/craft/sell
gw2 if u like theme park where farming doesnt feel like a pain in the ass
lets Worlds of Activision die
By replacing the incompetent designers with people who actually like MMOs
>>335377267
If you actually read moonspeak like I do, it says there are 639,585 total active players above level 20. The numbers on the right are how many people completed the main story scenarios, 263,604 completed patch 3.2's story.
>>335377267
the leftmost number is the active players accordign to lodestone. rightmost is people who beat 3.2
>someone in the other thread literally posted that Mark Kern is a good game designer and he saved firefall
>>335377056
>>335377551
>>335377638
>active players
It's active characters, plenty of people use alts, enough to bring it down to 500k actual subs and players or less
>>335375330
then buy the scouting missives you fucking mongoloid
god damn are people who play WoW this dumb?
>>335375330
You can do all of them in the same day, retard.
Just buy missives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdzBx6WJGE
>>335377760
>Mark Kern
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1tuf3c/this_is_why_mark_kern_was_removed_as_ceo_by_red_5
yeah what a guy, im sure he's good to have on your side
>>335377730
Lots of ERP and gold spammers alts exist, but barely any of them are above level 20. There's no point in alts when you can level everything on one character. It's actually detrimental to make an alt because of cross class skills and whatnot.
>>335377806
But anon! He's on our side!
>>335375330
>waaah I have to complete content and play the game to get things!
>waaaah!
WoD seems perfect for you tbqh
>>335377851
Doesn't stop people from making them and still being counted in the census. There are easily at least 100k active alts across all servers used for various purposes like simply hanging out with friends on other servers, extra banks using GC chests to transfer items, playing the markets, double or triple raiding, ERP or even PvP.
>>335377661
>mark kern gave them millions and saved the company from bankruptcy
>but he's not allowed to spend any of his own cash
>he was toxic and abusive in the workplace
>to a team of people who are clearly massively incompetent
>no mention of the fact that the game was vastly superior and more popular with kern than without him
what was the point of that thread? did you just google it real fast hoping I wouldn't take the time to read it?
>>335378105
sure there's alts, but a large majority of them are under level 20 so they aren't counted by the census. you don't need a level 21+ alt to bank, hang with friends, or erp. there's no point to alts above level 20 unless you really enjoy doing the 100+ hour story and leveling 2-3 different classes all over again on one character.
>no Dragon's Dogma Online in the west
E3 or bust
>all quests, events, and item acquisition boil down to brainlessly killing weak enemies with the same string of attacks over and over
>playerbase collectively admits it's tedious garbage to the point of referring to 99% of the gameplay as grinding
>only saving graces that anyone ever talks about are the story and multiplayer community
why did people ever like this again?
>Never got into MMOs
I feel I've been spared a horrible fate.
>>335377143
when did WoW get tons of ogcds and 3 month patch cycles
>>335378348
Except they aren't, plenty of active alts are above 20, if not at 60. The game has been around since 2010, levels were kept for the 2.0 transition and even back then enough people had alts, despite having to pay more for every extra one.
ARR was around for 2+ years and the level cap was stuck at 50 for all that time, plenty of time to also level an alt to 50. HW has been around for 9 months, plenty of time for people to level their alts just 10 more levels, and also plenty of time for people to level another one from scratch.
Again, there are plenty of active alts above 20, enough to bring the active characters number down to 500k active subs or below, just because (you) don't think having an alt is worthwhile and don't do it doesn't mean at least 100k players don't have an active alt above 20.
>>335378597
Yes, and no.
MMOs were great and amazing, but they died once social networking burst, and now are literally just hollow butchered singleplayer games.
>>335378851
you're assuming that everyone who made a alt and played the game to level 50 3+ years ago is still actively playing the game on their alts to be counted in the census
>>335378472
It was made early enough to pull in the fanbase that wanted something like that and now is running on the forward momentum of that player base and it's inability to move on.
>>335378902
Social networking had nothing to do with the death of MMOs. It's like something in the industry today makes it impossible for a hardcoreMMO to be developed. I blame Nexon/NCSoft personally.
>>335378902
>hollow butchered singleplayer games
aint that the truth.
Only way MMOS are ever making a comeback is when nobody has to work anymore
>>335378264
>gave them millions
you can't read, also he never saved them from shit...they were already in the black when he came on
>defending being a shitty bitch to employees
>10k people online is better than 5k!
L O L honestly just shut the fuck up you dumbass you're sad
>>335378472
the worst part is the PvP was even worse than it is now, WoW is and always will be a PvEbabby game
>>335379028
Well then that just means a bunch of people dropped the game, which would be correct because the game has been dropping subs and players like flies. A lot of the people who leveled their alts back then still use at least one and use it enough to be counted in the census.
This also doesn't help the bad "b-b-b-but the game has players!" shilling argument you're trying too hard to make, because since according to you no one uses alts enough to count, then the 100k+ drop from the last census wasn't just people who stopped using their alts, it was cold hard subs lost, which is even more pathetic.
>>335379557
>the game has been dropping subs and players like flies
no one knows for real, Square Enix never reveals their player numbers. it's all assumptions and guesses based on limited data provided by the Lodestone.
Regardless of sub loss or not, a MMO only needs 100k active players to be successful. a subscription only MMO needs less, see FFXI.
>>335379370
They take way too long to balance classes. Took them around 8 months to fix hunters barrage knocking rogues out of stealth.
>>335379557
>>335374056
600,000 players is more than Tera, Wildstar, and Blade n Soul combined.
>>335379370
>you can't read, also he never saved them from shit
>At a time when the coffers were empty, and the future grim, he was able to arrive at the eleventh hour with millions in investment capital. It's hard to not view someone as a hero in light like that. This is why he was the CEO of Red 5. There is no other reason. Everyone who had been, or could have been CEO, left the sinking ship - and just before it dashed itself against the sharp rocks of bankruptcy, Mark appeared with bags of money. He grabbed the tiller and hauled.
>defending being a shitty bitch to employees
You've never actually worked a real job have you? In the real word, if you fuck up you get chewed out. The company is chalk-full of retard fuckups.
>"b-b-but he was m-mean!"
good, they deserved it. it clearly got their asses in line.
>it w-w-w-was only t-twice as p-p-popular! n-not a b-b-big deal!
you retailcucks are pathetic
>L O L honestly just shut the fuck up you dumbass you're sad
great argument.
Uninstall and play Runescape instead. WoW ripped off all its good ideas from Jagex anyway.
>>335379891
They don't reveal them because they know how sad and pathetic it is to have an MMO that has 5 million accounts created but is very well below 500k subs. The game doesn't even make substantial profits from the subs themselves, they admit as much in every financial report if they even bother mentioning the game directly, all its major profits come from cash shop shit and merchandise.
>a MMO only needs 100k active players to be successful
Except not really, especially a modern subscription based MMO that took millions to be remade. FFXI gets by because it's old as shit and costs peanuts to be maintained, and was maintained far better than XIV which is their current international MMO flagship, with more substantial monthly updates until Yoshida the Hack severely slowed down the pace of its updates.
>>335380532
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pc-mmo-blade-and-soul-passes-1-million-players-day/1100-6434150/
No.
>>335380564
They were empty but in the black, and no, it doesn't matter what your initial capital funding is if you're elected CEO just because you ponied up the dough and take them from in the black to in the red within a year's time. You don't seem to be able to understand much bud, are you sure you don't have the tism? Are you sure you have worked a "real job" since you don't understand the slightest fucking thing about money?
You're literally defending someone who was one of the worst heads of a company in recent memory being a complete mongoloid to employees because he forwarded some pointless petition to someone who doesn't care about him or nostfags, this is rich honestly keep it up
>>335380743
>1 million people show up to a F2P launch
the numbers must have dropped heavily by now like wildstar
speaking of wildstar, that game is so dead now that they shut down the last PVP server. now there's only 2 PVE servers left.
>>335380620
At this point, you just sound like a salty guy who hates FFXIV with a passion.
I bet you're one of those people who cry that 1.0 was better or FFXIV killed FFXI and you will never forgive SE.
>>335381008
Probably, but all those 3 combined still make more active players than XIV has, with Wildstar definitely being the worst populated of them, Tera being second place and BnS still the first on merits of still being fresh enough and just getting a big update recently.
>>335363152
Legion is the deciding factor. MoP level of quantity? Blizzard is back.
Repeat of WoD? They can go fuck themselves.
>>335363152
We can't. Activision has ruined Blizzard, as they have done to so many other developers. The higher ups at Blizzard slowly sold off more and more of their souls to extract maximum profits from their games; now, it is too late to undo that damage.
>>335381191
tera is dead unless you play on korean servers, same with BnS.
>>335380897
>They were empty but in the black
>At a time when the coffers were empty, and the future grim
>he was able to arrive at the eleventh hour
>sinking ship
>just before it dashed itself against the sharp rocks of bankruptcy
>one of the worst heads of a company in recent memory
>Made a popular and profitable MMORPG, his company didn't like this for some reason, voted him out, and went on to destroy said popular and profitable MMORPG
Keep desperately clawing away at this man's reputation, you're not getting anywhere. It's great that he does one simple interview and completely dismantles years of retailcucks' arguments against legacy servers. What's even greater is that you can't say shit about it because he was high up on the development team when the game was actually developed.
>>335363152
We don't.
We let it die.
Play queue simulator on Kronos.
>>335381141
Nice projecting retard, I like the game, I hate shills who go screaming NO THE GAME IS GAINING PLAYERS EVERY DAY AND IT'S DOING HEALTHY MOST PLAYED MMO ON THE MARKET THE GAME IS A MASTERPIECE STOP SAYING BAD THINGS.
The game is faulty as shit and it shows in every census census and in game with people leaving in droves, and the same thing will keep happening until they fix all its glaring faults that keep getting ignored with a "please look forward to it" in every single interview and event. At this point though, no, the game will never change and it'll still be shit and I'll be calling it shit as long as it's shilled to death.
Will they support my thread or lash out against me for daring to criticize Blizzard?
>>335375330
You are one hell of a fucking retard.
>>335381568
>people are leaving my server so every server is dying
lol
>>335380897
Hm, well, here's everything that happened with the company after they voted Kern out:
>On May 26, 2015, Chris Whiteside, the former Lead Producer of ArenaNet on Guild Wars, then the Design Director for Guild Wars 2, attended an interview as a member of Red 5 Studios, stated “We’ve been through the fire, and we’ve grown close. These guys (Red 5 Studios) have bonded into a truly collaborative business, and our overall plan is to become the best online world building studio in the business. We know what people remember from our checkered past, but we know we can prove we’ve come through the fire and controversy ready and raring.” [12]
>Red 5 Studios in November 2015 laid off 40 employees (including Chris Whiteside) and several more in December 2015.[13]
>On December 25, 2015 many employees did not receive their paycheck and in return they received a letter. "Hi Team, I regret to inform you that Red5 currently does not have the funds necessary to meet our payroll scheduled for today Friday, December 25. Due to this, there will not be payroll paid this week.
>Red5 and The9, our parent company, is currently working to resolve this, during the holidays, as soon as possible. We are hopeful we’ll be able to resolve this and will update the team immediately." [13]
>>335381584
MMO-Champion is filled with people who hate Blizzard already so you're going to get people who agree with you
>>335378632
>3 month patch cycles
oh yay, another hairstyle at MGS. Just have to farm up six billion fucking coins, wooooo!
New story quest that you'll have done in an hour of gameplay, wooooo!
>>335381672
>top 10 server
>i-i-i-i-i-it must be because your server is dying!
Good, keep projecting retarded shill.
>>335381774
>"b-b-b-b-but mark k-k-kern was m-m-m-m-m-mean though!!"
>>335377806
stupid that whole thing was shown to be fake by some sjw cuck who wants to make kern look bad.
>>335381357
LOL you literally have no idea what in the black means
>popular
>profitable
yes he spent 1million+ of company funs on a fucking bus which didn't even work that went to ONE event, made batshit insane expenditures like a Youtube videogame Mythbusters clone series, put the company in the red, but somehow he did a good job
My god you're insane, you might just be Mark Kern. I don't care if you petition cucks get servers or not, I don't play WoW and I'm not dumb enough to whine about blizzard but turn around suck their cock for $15 a month just to play the same old shit again, but to defend someone who was a colossal cunt who couldn't run anything worth a shit just because he does something pointless with an online petition is legitimately the saddest thing I've seen anyone do on the internet
cy@
>>335381774
>owned by chinks, BoD is a bunch of The9 chinks who failed every major contract they got
>can't pay employees for reasons ranging from Mark Kern tanking their company to being owned by chinks
but yea this is all defensible because MUH PETITION
>>335381898
hmm...nah
>>335381791
>MMO-C
>Literally fanboy headquarters of WoW
>haters
>>335380897
>>335379370
>>335377661
where u@ bud? you ok? you get BTFO too hard?
>>335381863
all your picture is proving is that the numbers have increased since January but people are still casual as ever at savage content.
>>335363152
Kronos is so popular it now takes 2 hours to login and they're opening a second server on Wednesday. Obviously legacy servers can save WoW.
>>335382047
>1m
3 million.
>>335382095
even more sad than defending Mark"literally ran a company into the ground solo" kern, asking WHERE U AT because you got blown the fuck out and are pretending you didn't
C Y @
>>335382142
Except it still shows a big drop in players across all servers.
>>335382268
>Kronos
>shithole filled with bugs
>p2w
>russian snowniggers
who cares
>>335381393
>literally 4400 people when I joined the queue 2 hours ago
"You think you do, but you dont"
Get your friends to come back.
No, really. Think back to the old days, when did you have the most fun playing WoW. When you played with your friends.
>>335382339
still more players than other MMOs besides WoW lol
Balmung has twice the population of Nostalrius
>>335382047
Okay, I'm >>335381774 , and I don't really get what you're trying to argue here. The9 acquired a major stake in Red 5 in 2010. Kern was voted out in 2013. The events I posted started in 2015 and went onward.
Their major troubles hit well after The9 was in the picture and Kern was out of it.
Again, is there a real argument here or are you just projecting? I'm legitimately curious but so far I've seen nothing from your end.
A good idea would be to restart WoW from vanilla like Runescape did from 2007. Keep the level cap at 60, but redo all of the content. Karazhan at level 60 would be awesome. No stat inflation.
>>335382480
I never played with my friends, I just made friends on WoW back in 2006, much like I would now if I still played it.
>>335382047
>LOL you literally have no idea what in the black means
In the very link you posted, they paint a pretty vivid picture of just how "in the black" they were. You're a desperate retard.
>he spent his own money!!!!
by god you're right, what a monster!
>who couldn't run anything worth a shit
>runs the dev team during Blizzard's development of fucking starcraft, diablo2, warcraft 3, and Vanilla-TBC WoW
>runs a company full of incompetent retards and actually makes a good MMO (firefall)
try again fuckboy
>who was a colossal cunt
you're right, what a meanie-face!
>hmm...nah
fantastic argument bud
You can't save something that there's nothing wrong with, though.
>>335382464
>free server
>free
>>335381584
Your thread sure went places, anon.
>>335382669
>private server
you understand how big of a deterrent that is, right?
>>335382498
Except even BnS easily still has more than 600k players, and so does a bunch of other F2P trash, and so does EVE which is sub based if you wanna pull the "BUT THEY'RE FREE TO PLAY" retarded argument.
The problem is that a lot of the fan "fixes" are ideas that are good on paper, maybe even good implementing them on their own, but when done together are a clusterfuck.
>>335382480
They convinced me to come back then immediately quit when fucking dark souls III came out so now I'm stuck raging at retards in BGs in season 1 fucking pvp gear. What a fucking waste of god damn time and money this game is. I don't expect to be rolling anyone hard,but jesus, I'm barely a speedbump to most players. All these casters with 550k+ HP to my sub 300k, getting 2 shot by destro locks, raped by almost everything else... Fuck this shitty game and fuck the "friends" who pull people back into this meme of a game.
>>335382532
those events aren't immediate, search around the Firefall reddit for posts from employees, the only positive things being said by people who worked at the company at least until the dec 2015 fiasco is that morale went up when they hired Whiteside, and they might get a bunch of people to play Firefall when it releases in China. The game is a complete shitshow atm
>>335382602
just google in the black my god
>a good MMO
he never ran shit during his time at blizzard, you need to be put in an insane asylum holy shit
>>335382532
>Again, is there a real argument here or are you just projecting? I'm legitimately curious but so far I've seen nothing from your end.
He's a shill/retailcuck trying to smear Kern for advocating Vanilla servers.
>>335382829
Well arenas got changed so that gear is irrelevant and it's all down to how well you play the character, so you can do that.
Rogue vs Rogue Battlegrounds:
After half an hour, the first rogue gets found and ganked, and while hes ganking, the ganker gets ganked by another ganker which makes another player gank him
it would be glorious
>>335382882
replying to other people because you're buttflustred about getting btfo isn't gonna help anything, stop being such a hothead bud
>>335382942
How so? I see alot of the gear scales up in level in PVP, not that it does a damn thing for me lol.
>Shadowfury
>Chaos Bolt
>Conflagrate
>Dead
I would have expected this in BC or Wrath, not now, fucking god damn I just about chucked my monitor through the fucking window.
>>335382768
>BnS easily still has more than 600k players
except they don't unless you have a statistic showing their player numbers as of today.
same with the other F2P trash and EVE.
and you're still in a delusional mindset that the game is declining when the game has more active players than any other MMO on the market.
>>335383173
>fucking god damn I just about chucked my monitor through the fucking window.
Then fucking calm down, it's just a goddamn game.
>>335382856
>just google in the black my god
I know what it means. It has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. The employee from that reddit link literally states they were on the brink of bankruptcy and Mark Kern saved them with his own money. You tried to argue that this didn't happen and that "Kern didn't save them from shit". Desperate retard. Try again.
>he never ran shit during his time at blizzard
>Mark E. Kern is an American video game designer best known for being team lead on the video game World of Warcraft
Oh wow, it's just Blizzards largest franchise to-date. No big deal, right? He basically didn't run anything! Try again.
>>335383205
>delusional
>the game isn't declining!
>clear census showing a clear 100k+ drop in players between the last one
Fuck off delusional Squeenix shill.
Stop trying to recapture the wonder of playing an MMO for the first time when you were a kid and enjoy the time you get to spend with your guild/real life friends.
>>335363513
>quit because no flying
Yeah you totally played in 2005.
>>335383340
but anon, I played Nostalrius not even a month ago and it was still wondrous! maybe it was just a good game.
>>335383310
>census with no official data, just speculation
if the game really was declining, they would have shut down or merge the 50 something servers they have already or went F2P years ago.
>>335382362
Exactly. If a bug filled, p2w server is literally bursting at the seams, imagine how good an official server would be.
Kronos isn't really p2w anyway. You can trade characters with other players and buy the original epic mounts that were removed by the end of vanilla. You still need the riding skill, which is the expensive part, for the mounts and account trading existed on Ebay since literally day 1.
>mfw enjoying the fuck out of ashran
fully geared warrior with AA feels orgasmic. niggas don't know how to react when I charge in, ss, pop all cooldowns and bladestorm the shit out of their middle, while my team of medics keep me topped off.
mini game or not, pvp is the only reason to keep playing.
>>335383228
>just take a chill pill, man!
IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY ANON.
I think there are other pressing concerns.
How do we save the Warcraft movie?
WoD had a severe lack of a Nesingwary chain. It needs to come back.
>>335383534
>melee
>having fun in ashran
>>335382856
I agree those events weren't immediate, that's sort of what I'm saying, that these real troubles didn't start until Kern had been gone for some time. Whiteside wasn't hired until May 2015, and was let go ~6 months later in November. Again, are you assigning blame for this to Kern?
Nonspecific reddit posts really don't constitute solid evidence in my mind; the one you linked paints Kern in a pretty bad light, though it could have been condensed to 2 paragraphs if not for all the buzzwords and quasi-philosophical rambling, yet still it was posted years ago when Kern was actually voted out BEFORE any of the payroll and layoffs issues started.
So again, I'm sorry, but I just don't see anything substantive.
>>335383592
I think he was confirmed for Legion? One of the devs said he has a quest chain in Highmountain or something
>>335383578
Yes, it does. Why do you care so much, it's just a way of entertaining yourself. If you're not having fun anymore then just play something else. Getting angry over a videogame is what fucking children playing CS do.
>>335363513
something that bothers me about this image. can anyone confirm the date they added armored mounts? was it during the patch that introduced battlegrounds?
I don't remember exactly when, but I do remember when the vendor was added to trade in your non armored for the armored version.
>>335383260
that's in the black, they owed no money. they had costs, but owed nothing and had nothing, holy shit you googled it and are still talking about this shit
if Kern did so much, what happened? The game went nowhere, and they're still suffering from his expenditures. You keep arguing the same shit and you keep getting blown the FUCK out over and over again just because this goofy fag signed your little petition. woooooo
>Not playing Warmane Lordaeron
>>335383592
No player in the history of WoW has ever liked doing those quests, they just did them anyway because they ALWAYS offered good rewards and lots of xp.
>>335383513
Except that's retarded logic especially considering it's Squeenix, which are the biggest retards in the industry, just as retarded as their shills.
XI hasn't had a server merge in years despite only having about 100k players for about as long, they won't do a server merge because they're lazy as fuck and it would cost them more to do one, on top of being a way to admit the game is dying, and considering they don't mention sub numbers they want to hide it as long as possible.
Server mergers mean nothing in this case, the census are clear and show a very real drop in players.
>>335383459
If you've got the monkey brain and are just waddling through it going "wow I remember when I was 13 and this was a compelling story and mechanically difficult game" you can enjoy it.
>>335383695
Because it's fun for a bit, and then all of a sudden you're not playing PvP, you're playing "Life as a fuck doll" simulator for some fucking nerd spamming emotes.
>>335383810I liked them, they were repetitive as fuck but at least it had an in-game justification for their repetition
>>335383780
It's a little silly to blame a CEO who has been gone since 2013 for issues the game continues to experience 3 years after the fact.
>>335383805
>Unironically sitting in a 1500+ faked queue
No thanks. I prefer Deathwing, I'd rather have a few P2Wers than to suffer through that every time.
>people still pay real money to play world of warcraft
what are you, in-game poor?
>>335383856
>I hate Square Enix because they fucked me as a child and I accept assumption based census statistics if they support my view of their games declining
this is what you sound like right now
go kill yourself jit, you're obviously buttmad that a game you hate isn't dead yet.
>>335384038
Again though, why are you letting yourself get upset? Yes they're better at the game than you, you're letting yourself be a salty fuck over that? You're acting like every nigga in the FGC that has a chimpout when he loses.
>>335383810
I liked them, you got to go to a bunch of places and fight huge beasts, and to top it all of you get to come back to Nesingwary and look at him and his buddies get shitfaced.
The rewards were substantial for a bunch of kill quests, though, and that was certainly a key factor I'll give you that.
>>335384148
Fuck off shill, the game is losing subs and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>335384130
>he doesn't make nearly six figures a year and is able to keep his account active, simply because it's $15 a month and literal mudhut dwellers in brasil can even afford that
I just think it's time to let go of MMOs in general. We need more singleplayer content, more quality. Now, this is the one that has been dying quite fast over the years.
The future looks grim unless one of them gets an opportunity to shine again. Both multiplayer and singleplayer experiences are doomed otherwise.
>>335383856
You went from facts to feels real quick anon
>>335383780
>that's in the black, they owed no money. they had costs, but owed nothing and had nothing
You keep talking shit repeating the same nonsense over and over again. Read the fucking Reddit link yourself.
>if Kern did so much, what happened? The game went nowhere
You know what happened idiot. He was voted out of the company and his contributions to the game were undone. The game now pulls in ~500 players during primetime even though it's F2P.
You keep arguing the same shit and you keep getting blown the FUCK out over and over again. It's pathetic. I almost think you worked under Kern and he shat on you for being a shitty fucking programmer. You seem pretty hellbent on making people on an anonymous anime forum think worse of him. That's resentment if I've ever seen it.
>>335384240
if the game was losing subs, why are multiple servers still locked and full :^)
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/80cd4583bf743600105b947d6906d0909189e479
>>335383938
>you think you were having fun but you weren't
ebin
>>335384227
>better
>getting globaled = skill
Not really, what pisses me off is getting fucked raw and dry for hours and hours at a time for no fucking reward and being completely useless in a BG. It's like they don't actually want people to get into the game. Nah, if you're new, you deserve to just be passed around like a fucking bitch for hours and hours on end. And nobody horde side knows how to fucking go after objectives.
>DUDE
>HONOR KILLS LMAO
>WHAT'S A BOMB?
>WHAT'S A DEMOLISHER?
>DUDE LMAO
>>335384081
If you're from the US, there aren't enough players on Deathwing to reliably do things. Most players are EU.
>>335384386
>if you're a literal quivering mush mind retard you can enjoy it
Fixed that for you.
>>335384271
XI not having server mergers for years and sitting close to 100k subs is a very real fact. Server mergers being costly and time/resource consuming is also a very real fact. Server mergers being seen as admitting defeat or a sign of a failing MMO is also a very real fact, as admitted by that other fag himself when he said they would have done them if the game was dying.
TWELVE THOUSAND PEOPLE PLAYING WOTLK ON LORDAERON AND ANOTHER 2K IN THE QUEUE
THAT'S AS MANY AS FUCKING NOSTALRIUS DID
YOU THINK YOU DO
BUT YOU DON'T
Why are people so quick to crown Kern as some development genius, when it was already proven that WoW's success was simply "the right place the right time"
>>335384379
>what are artificial locks that can be bypassed by paying for a transfer
>what are artificial locks that can be bypassed by creating a character at 4am
>what are shit servers and code that can barely handle what they already have
Fuck off shill.
>>335384530
>wotlk
We make an arena worth playing,
With spikes all over that do damge when you walk on them, and dragons, and trap doors, and paladins...no wait that would make it unbalanced. And it's in a forest with big trees for cover that break LOS, and half the arena is on fire.
>>335384530
Wait, there's a populated wotlk server?
how is it?id prefer bc tho
>>335384657
or maybe the servers are legitmately full you retard
remember that Balmung has over twice the population of Nostalrius, the biggest WoW private server ever created.
>>335384686
YOU THINK YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY WOTLK
BUT YOU DO
>>335384536
Nobody is calling Kern a genius, his opinion on legacy servers and their viability just means more than probably anyone else's.
>>335384701
We had that already
it was removed
>>335384747
>>335384530
I think a lot of people would be happy playing a legacy wotlk.
legacy vanilla would get old fast, tho.
>>335384770
meaning more than nothing isn't much
>>335384737
>s-s-s-s-server is full!
>but you can make it not full this very instant by paying the low low price of $18!
Fuck off retarded shill.
>>335384832
>legacy vanilla would get old fast, tho.
>Nost was out for over a year
>Had the largest population it's ever had
>Was still rapidly growing
nope
>>335384530
>>335384686
>announcing that this shit exists
You know why Nostalrius got noticed and taken down? BECAUSE YOU FUCKERS WOULDN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. Did it ever occur to you chucklefucks that the more attention is given to a prvate server, the higher chance of it being looked at and taken down. Remember, as much as you don't like it, private servers are using Blizz's copyrighted IP without permission, they have every legal right to take these down, so if you want them to stay, STOP CALLING ATTENTION TO THEM.
>>335384886
Considering he was team lead during the development of the actual game and several other games, as someone who knows what creating legacy servers would entail, his opinion means quite a lot.
>>335384130
Wow token costs about 86k on EU at the moment.
Why didn't I just buy one before I quit when it was still 50k?
Why must life be such torment
>>335384924
>850k "accounts"
>150k "active players"
>12k peak online being generous
>>335385065
>Wow token costs about 86k on EU at the moment.
What the fuck, they're like 30k at worst on Proudmoore.
>>335385019
>someone who knows what creating legacy servers would entail
Yeah I'm sure someone who hasn't worked at Blizzard in 10 years knows exactly how they run things right now
Don't you have a call you need to be making tomorrow that won't get answered, you fat autistic fuck?
>>335385106
You're NA, right?
I'm playing on EU-Stormrage, a fairly low populated server and it's still that high.
>>335385014
lol I just tweeted to Blizzard about the server
you mad kiddo?
>>335385186
>You're NA, right?
Yes, though sadly our server has a lot of Australians.
On the plus side the fact that they were awake and playing the game while US players were sleeping meant we were the first server to max out the Sunwell daily requirements.
>>335385246
No because I don't play it, I'm just making a point that MAYBE if people didn't constantly go "no man retail sucks, go play Nostalrius, here's an infrograph with their website and contact info and everything", maybe Blizz might not have noticed them.
>>335385271
>On the plus side the fact that they were awake and playing the game while US players were sleeping meant we were the first server to max out the Sunwell daily requirements.
Symbiosis at work.
Did you actually manage to do anything else of note in regards to Sunwell or was that it?
>>335363152
leave main realms alone or babies will cry
create new realms, call them "hardcore" realms, test the following experimental shit there and see how it plays out:
- remove dungeon finder, raid finder
- implement pre-nerf av as an optional battleground in addition to regular av
- extend proving grounds: silver requirement to more shit
- do more with brawler's guild
- allow people to choose an expansion to progress/raid against
- if not above, expand timewalking to raids and make timewalking rewards for raids significantly more useful than those for 5mans
- scale gear down to the zone level to make world pvp actually interesting
- get rid of fucking garrisons
- make gathering nodes slightly more plentiful to compensate for getting rid of garrisons
- reverse the skill pruning from 6.0, that shit was fucking dumb
- space out raid content more evenly throughout release so that the first three raids aren't 3 months each and then the last raid is a fucking year and a half
idk i'm sure i could think of some more shit that would improve the game
>>335384889
>I have no idea how server load works
Balmung crashes, guess how many people you have to wait in line before you get in.
>>335385469
I got the Shattered Sun title personally
>>335385473
maybe add a significant buff against pve monsters for zones you significantly outlevel
>>335385473
Blizzard won't do ""anything"" for the community unless it makes them a Shitload of profit in return.
>>335385489
>I have no idea how artificial server limits work
You can still transfer to any locked server as long as you pay and it works the very second the payment is confirmed regardless of the server's status. That's also far less than the 150k active players Nostalrius had, retard, and it's just a bug showing the total amount of characters created on that server, not the amount of people trying to log in.
>>335363152
world of warcraft was never good.
the entire system was always based around autism farming. they just streamlined it more so it became more obvious what the game REALLY is.
>>335384530
warmane's numbers aren't accurate
>>335384712
It's ok. Haven't gotten to the wrath stuff yet but so far almost everything has worked well.
There has to be a brave hero within Blizzard team that deletes all the play-for-me and Facebook features.
A Brave member that says 'Fuck you' and rollback free max level characters, revamp the entire pre max-level content so it's challening
force people to interact again
Then take all the backlash and get fired because of crying faggots
>>335385175
>French Nostalrius devs ran the server for a few hundred dollars a month
>Blizzard doesn't have the ability to create and operate legacy servers in a financially viable way
>>335385841
appealing to a large niche of players that left because they made the game shit would make them some money
but idk you'd have to tell the op that, not me, i was just throwing out ideas because he asked how to save it
>>335385859
What do you guys think the sub count is at right now?
I bet about 3 million of that is fucking China, I mean, look at China's population, and the fact that their subs work differently
then you have bots, and the fact that there hasn't been content for like a year
ho man
>>335363152
Why should we? The industry would be better of if Blizzard died.
>>335385842
Nostalrius had 10k people online on the PVP and PVE servers combined at peak hours right before it closed down.
>b-but it's just a bug!
now you're really grapsing straws, like I said go kill yourself jit.
>>335385246
>implying sick cunts still play fucking wow and rats to blizzard
>>335385859
level boosts should be limited to the minimum level of the current expansion even during prepatch
getting a level boost for a certain spec should require you have a max level with proving grounds silver for something else of the same role (e.g. if you want to boost a holy pally, you'd need a max level healer with proving grounds silver already)
playing a boosted character should require you to get proving grounds silver before doing ANYTHING that requires teamwork
They need to bring back Wintergrasp, but in a way that works.
People didn't inherently hate WG, they just hated how if one side managed to take it, they could hold it for weeks because defending was infinitely easier than attacking, TB tried to fix it but honestly was too far in the other direction and making control a game of ping-pong.
>>335385860
>Do you plan to introduce any sort of classic realms that allows players to play at previous expansion levels?
>We do not plan to do that. There tends to be a lot of emotional desire for that, although when other MMOs have tried that, they don't tend to actually survive for long. There are a lot of complexities with that, because it has to be a bundle, where you get the old hardware, the old cold, because the old codes meant to run on the old hardware, the old data, the old bugs, all that kinda stuff, and of course the natural expectation is "oh well you would fix all that stuff", but maintaining that many different versions of the game is just not feasible, especially in a world where people want more content, not less.
>>335385859
you only think you want difficult and fun levelling, but you really don't.
>mark kern
>>335386117
sub count went up a ton dude. everyone I know quit wow shortly after hfc and came back because we can all effortlessly pay 40k a month for a token.
>>335386117
It almost certainly is. That's why they've stopped reporting the sub numbers, I mean there's literally no reason to stop unless they're worried about what the numbers will indicate to investors.
They've also been playing up 'real' subs for a long time by mixing the Western and Chinese subs; even an account with a few minutes left on it can still be considered an active account for their sub count.
Clearly this trick alone isn't even enough anymore to hide how badly the numbers have hemorrhaged.
>>335363513
FFXIV is by far the worst MMO I've ever purchased, yes, even TORtanic.
>>335386523
source?
>>335386175
Except it's really a well known bug retard, and considering the low priority all broken shit gets and how long it takes to fix they just left it like that since the game launched. Nostalrius peaked at 150k active players, which is more than Balmung has because the charts from the census also show active characters over a set period of time, same as the Nostalrius numbers, not all characters logged in at once and XIV's shit servers can barely handle 3k+ players logged in at once.
Fuck off retarded Squeenix shill.
>>335386387
>especially in a world where people want more content, not less
So where is the content?
>when other MMOs have tried that, they don't tend to actually survive for long.
I don't know any MMOs that tried old school servers besides Runescape, and that shit is pulling comparable numbers to modern Runescape.
>>335386574
They had no reason to begin reporting them to begin with, they were just bragging about the growth of the game. Are you really that much of a moron that you think they were obligated to before?
>mark fucking kern
>>335386690
>Look guys the damage I did to Red 5 was so bad it couldn't be fixed by just getting rid of me
>It wasn't my fault guys
>How come Mike won't answer my calls
>>335385069
>private server
phenomenal stats desu
>>335386387
Every single argument he gave against legacy servers has since been proven wrong.
>>335386237
oh no you made boosting too hard!!!! now ill have to spend 60 bucks on wow tokens to buy 40 elixirs of rapid mind for 10 hours of 4x exp boost!! or ill multibox+raf myself with 20 elixirs of rapid mind for 5 hours of 8x exp boost!!
your idea is retarded. kill yourself
>>335385186
>>335385106
tokens are the same per region, server doesnt matter
>mark motherfucking kern
not even once. Fuck this pretentious faggot
>>335386387
>using the corporate-speak bullshit response from Blizzard
wew lad
I thought it was fairly obvious that Blizzard is unquestionably in the wrong here. If you're still sucking their dick after everything that's happened, everything that's been said, everything that's been posted and written, well, this isn't the place for you.
>>335386779
Nobody fucking gives a shit
They've been saying no to "legacy" servers for either fucking years. How much of a retarded dumbass do you have to be to keep holding out hope on something that's NEVER HAPPENING
>>335386613
you can't prove anything what you said so it's all null and void.
at the end of the day, you're just a sad butthurt man who can't accept that FFXIV is successful so you resort to spreading lies and outdated information while calling people a square enix shill if you don't agree with them.
>>335386842
Yeah, I suspected as much.
Do you reckon the price will lower in the coming months or will it elevate even further before Legion's release?
>>335386387
>There are a lot of complexities with that, because it has to be a bundle, where you get the old hardware, the old cold, because the old codes meant to run on the old hardware, the old data, the old bugs, all that kinda stuff, and of course the natural expectation is "oh well you would fix all that stuff", but maintaining that many different versions of the game is just not feasible, especially in a world where people want more content, not less.
Translation: "That would take some time and effort, that's too much for us at Blizzard"
>>335386608
blizz doesnt release sub numbers any more but it would honestly not be surprising if there was a slightly higher sub count because the game is f2p if youre good at making money
>>335386837
>everyone multiboxes
lmao
>elixir of rapid mind
easy solution, remove it
your response is retarded, kill yourself
>>335386893
Mark Kern was a producer, not a designer. Don't confuse "Team Lead" with Creative Director or Lead Designer. From Burning Crusade onward they removed the position entirely.
Rob Pardo made WoW good in the first place. Mark Kern is a fucking hack who will only ever be known for Firefail.
>>335385859
>leveling is interesting / helpful content
