>you cancelled your pre order, didn't you anon?
>>335324356
Nope
>>335324356
>Pre-ordering video games
>In 2016
nope i never even preordered and i never will neo wow blows balls
Nostalrius is the best and they should of just added more content for vanilla
80 man raid
80 man pvp raid where you have a super huge dungeon the focus is on pvp and oyu can kill people while they are killing a boss.
>>335324356
>he didn't quit years ago
No, but I'm unsubbed until I can play DH early because there's fuckall to do right now.
>>335324356
Got the band back together and we're gonna have a pretty good week marathon to 110, run out of content, shit around on an RP server, and then quit.
It doesn't have to last forever. People forget that sometimes.
>Ever pre-ordering after Cata
Why?
Pre-ordering is bullshit no matter the game.
Nah, gonna play it, do the initial and then second raid tier and PvP then unsub if it ever feels like work. Resub if they go the MoP route with patches (Isle of Thunder was the dopest shit) and then go from there.
>>335324356
Long ago. Legion is WoD 2.0. I'm just finding it funny that people can't see it.
>>335324356
>6 weeks after launch with nothing to do but apexis dailies
WoD 2.0. Everything from dev communication to release date rushing makes it scream WoD all over again.
>he still supports the killer of nostalrius
>>335324689
>>335324710
>WoD 2.0
But it's literally got the opposite design philosophy.
>There will still be people who buy Legion after the shitfest that was WoD
CARRY ON
CARRY ON
>>335324356
No. I'm giving Legion 1-2 months not to suck ass, and if it doesn't deliver I'll quit. Sucks for my guild, but they have other people who can switch to tank, especially early on.
While many of the changes piss me off to no end, I still want to actually play it myself. The retail price for the game is peanuts for the amount of hours you get out of it.
>>335324782
Garrison missions, "everyone gets a legendary" legendary, cut content/zones before launch day, PvP meta is still the same stale shit.
So excited for my yearly release of patch content.
>>335324356
never pre-ordered that trash.
>>335324867
>1-2 months
Fampai you have an astonishing tolerance for bullshit and I ain't gonna take that from you. Your asshole must be self-lubricating at this point from how hard blizzard fucked you.I know mine is ;_;
>>335324356
was so burnt out in orcnor that i didnt even level to max
>>335324502
>>335324772
>Nostfags are the new gamergaters
>>335324975
>garrison missions
That only further a class story and aren't resource gobblers. They also effect you out in the world via unlocking buffs.
>everyone gets a legendary
Nothing wrong with that, we've got transmog for a reason.
>cut content/zones before launch day
That's game development.
>PvP meta is still the same stale shit
Literally what are you talking about? Human racial being nerfed and PvP talents being implemented.
>Garrisons 2.0
>timeless isle continent wide
>Gutted professions and "daily" quests to craft shit
You bet your ass I did
Why? Why play this shit and in one or two months there will be nothing to do anymore?
>>335324356
>Legion logo
>Arthas
Isn't he dead or something
Isn't Illidan also dead
>>335325145
It's...okay Anon. It's okay. He's one of those people who hates Blizzard for daring to change while he's still trying to pretend he's 13. You can't expect him to try and learn things.
>>335325214
>Arthas
where
why would you even consider playing WoW after:
WoD
Garrisons
Dead PVP
Pay to Beat the game
Mount and pet shop
Pay to get off dead servers no longer supported by actiblizzard
-----------------------------
$15 a month every month to play a glorified facebook game where all you do is pay to collect loot that's complete shit
>>335325145
>They also effect you out in the world via unlocking buffs.
So did Garrisons. That's not why people disliked them, it's because they disincentivized doing anything else.
>>335325210
Nothing lasts forever anon. Sometimes just getting your friends together for a week or two for some grinding PvPing casual normal flex-moding ERP fappaen good times is worth the price of entry.
>not private servering with friends
kekus maximus
>>335325318
>Actually turn my garrison into a gold farm
>I am racking in litterally endless gold for 3 minutes of play time.
Holy shit blizzard shit the bed on this design. Reap while yee may lads!
>>335325318
>they disincentivized doing anything else
Which Class Halls aren't doing because of no garrison buildings, reroll rocks or profession negating buildings.
Do you think that killing Nostalrius was a bad move from Blizzard,in times of a new expansion coming out?
>>335324502
>80 man raid
Jesus Christ no
40 was already a pain to manage
Jesus
fucking
Christ
80 man raid? Nigga are you on peyote or something?
wow hasn't been good since TOC on, thats when the game REALLY started going downhill
blizzard took all the good talent on wow and reshuffled them to other projects like titan->overwatch
example: jeff kaplan, the lead designer for overwatch
from vanilla to ulduar he was one of the two lead designers on wow.
for newfags, "Tigole" is Jeff's username from when he would lead a guild in EQ. He would often post on his guild's website regarding EQ raids and encounters, as such:
>Whoever came up with this sheer fisting of an encounter can go fuck themselves
>Do me a favor so I don't waste my guild's time on this kind of jackass shit-fest again, send me an email at [email protected] when you decide to
>A) Implement an encounter that wasn't designed by a retarded chimp chained to a cubicle
>B) Get a Quality Assuarance Department
>C) Actually beta test the fucking thing and
>D) Patch it live.
>And please for god's sake -- do it in the order I laid out for you.
>Don't worry, I won't charge you a consulting fee on that one.
>And for good luck you might as well
>E) Pull your heads out of your asses.
>While you're at it rename the game to BetaQuest since you've used up you're alotted false advertising karma on the Bazaar and user interface scam of '01.
>Fix the Emperor encounter.
>Fix Seru.
>Rethink your time-sink bullshit.
>Fix all the buggy motherfucking ring encounters (I suggest you let whoever made the Burrower one do this since that dude apparently laid off the crack the rest of you were smoking).
>Fix the VT key quest.
>Fix VT (just guessing it's fucked up considering your track record).
>Don't have the resources to fix this stuff?
>Move the ENTIRE Planes of Power team over to fixing Shadows of Luclin AND DO IT NOW.
>If you don't fix Luclin, you jackassess will be the only ones playing the Planes of Power.
I looked up his old guild and it listed a roster of its members, Tigole was only the first part of his name.
>Tigole Bitties
YOU MY HERO, JEFF
RIP WOW
>>335325418
>Wanting to play old, unbalanced shit ran by russian scammers because you want to pretend that you're hardcore enough for it.
For what purpose?
>>335325435
I know but I'm just saying, the reason people hated garrisons had nothing to do with the resource hog or that.
>>335325447
No, because their install base of around 8 million don't give a fuck. This is the company that had to disable global announcements for world firsts because people nearly died marathoning for them.
>>335324356
Dropped in Cata when it was obvious that Blizzard's overall mindset on the game changed
>>335324356
I don't get it. Is there something about this picture that is supposed to make me want to cancel it?
>>335325025
The first few months are the time it'll take for the game to establish itself. I also don't play nearly as much anymore, so it's a reasonable estimate.
By that time Suramar Palace/Emerald Nightmare HC will have unlocked and we'll probably have cleared it at least once, so I can estimate if it'll suck as much for tanks as HFC did.
The biggest issue will be the changes to blood DK. I genuinely lost all faith in the competency of the current design team after all the shit they pulled. They pruned or changed so much crap that nobody ever asked for, while even veteran players from world-first guilds are telling them how awful those changes are.
Pic related being their latest atrocity.
>"Hey, maybe we should just leavethe stats people are used to seeing in an Advanced tab?"
>"No, just remove it all. They can install an addon for that."
Such a small thing, but they managed to fuck it up. Not to mention that their engineers appearently have time to make crap like this, while large parts of the actual game are so blatantly unfinished.
>>335325145
>>335325318
people dislike garrisons because its INTERFACE MENUS
INTERFACE MENUS ARE NOT GAMEPLAY
INTERFACE MENUS THAT LET YOU SKIP GAMEPLAY ARE NEGATIVE GAMEPLAY
>>335325494
>Tigole Bitties
Wait, I've been pronouncing it wrong the whole time? I've always said it as Tai-goll.
>>335324975
DELETE THIS
>>335324502
Boo hoo
>>335325593
First xpac i'm not playing.
Just can't stand the special snowflakery being turned up to 11. And farming bear asses for legendaries.
>>335325473
SERVER WIDE RAID, BOTH FACTIONS.
DO IT PUSSY.
>>335325227Im on retail WoW right now
>>335325494
He also oversaw the Naxxramas Rebuild, the trainwreck that practically killed WotLK's raiding out the gate because it was such a simple, straightforward run and then nothing to follow up with. People seem to forgive that because Ulduar was so good, but what they forget is that half the reason Ulduar got so much attention, love, and creativity put into was because Blizzard was fucking terrified they'd just killed raiding.
Ulduar won everyone's hearts back, sure, but don't pretend that Kaplan was some unfailable god-king of design. The man fucked up like everyone fucked up.
>>335324867
I'm totally agree here, i'm going to try out first before i claim it another WoD 2.0 fail expansion...
Not going to up jump and calling it a fail expansion yet, cause they have not review all the content yet, but i just hope it not going to be content cut as much as WoD...
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1874264-A-collection-of-all-known-cut-delayed-content-in-Warlords-of-Draenor
>>335325447
A vast majority of people don't give a shit.
A vast majority has never heard of it.
>>335325747
Are you seriously going to imply that WoW hasn't fostered the most overly dedicated fanbase in gaming? People were literally heading to hospital trying to get Cata world firsts.
>3 expansions in a row are terrible
>d-don't worry this time it will be good we swear!
it's just more instanced based solo content
more facebook mini-games
less choice
less class mechanics
less raids
less players
>>335325776
reminds me of the golden days of Ragnarok where 3+ big guilds were in the same emperium room
I could make well done steaks on my toaster
>>335325887
>3 expansions in a row are terrible
But Cata was alright and MoP was the best expansion.
>>335325887
MoP wasn't terrible, unless you're an autist mad about 'muh april fools' pandas.
>>335325628
>>"Hey, maybe we should just leavethe stats people are used to seeing in an Advanced tab?"
>>"No, just remove it all. They can install an addon for that."
there's literally no reason to show stats you're not affected by
People say that Blizz caters to casuals too much, but I think a problem is that they honestly cater too far in the opposite direction.
The only thing that Blizzard consistently pleases is the hardcore raiders who do everyone on the highest difficulty. Those guys are catered to like they are the visiting king of an allied country while the peasants (read: everyone else) suffers.
>>335324356
>legion artwork is just the runeforge at acherus
That's kind of pointless.
>>335325846
Too bad that the majority of the fanbase has left
>>335325887
You remember that time a Selfie Cam and twitch intigration was a content patch?
>>335325494
>TOC
oh god this
that shit was the beginning of the end
WoTLK was bad but nowhere near what it would become after it
Icecrown was decent at least in the beginning, then came that buff to help casuals clear it
It was all downhill from there
with Legion we will be reaching the earth's core with how deep the shithole we're getting
>>335325950
>>335325959
oh look it's an epic contrarian "actually mop was good" episode
>>335325887
MoP was a great expansion. People just got butthurt because of the Pandaren,but these fags forgot that they had always been in the World of Warcraft.
>>335326010
Like drunks and whores, they'll come back. They always do. Because WoW brings back all those old familiar feelings and it's dirt cheap and always there for you.
You know, LIKE YOUR MOTHER.
>>335325145
>Stats pane is Diablo 3
>Class hall rewards is Diablo 3
>Talent Trees are Diablo 3
>Followers are Diablo 3
>World Quests are Diablo 3
I already own Diablo 3.
>>335326010
Just like MoP, which led to 11 million sales.
>>335326128
I don't.
>>335326104
>Like drunks and whores, they'll come back.
Not really, or the launch of each expansion would have the same amount of people as when the game's population peaked
>>335326091
But the pandas were so bad. And they were everywhere. It took away from some pretty good raid design, some interesting monsters (The Kalaxi are pretty cool), and a story that's otherwise about two juggernaught powers punching eachother to death over an island with no strategic value and no resources of note.
>>335326128
diablo 3 has an advanced tab that shows 76561 different stats, you know, like an RPG should
this has very clearly all you need to know in wow
item level 100% determines what you can and cant do, because most people just queue up for shit and those queues have min ilvl reqs
>>335326091
>some easter egg joke level in WC3
>always been in World of Warcraft
jesus christ
Who even plays WoW? Fat NEETs invested in old characters from 10 years ago that can't move on, whose mental stability is tied to their shitty MMO?
Retards easily parted with their money?
Mongoloid ERP scum?
All of the above?
Never played wow, never cared, fuck bliz$$ard, fuck wow, fuck OP, fuck all wow players, fuck people who feed the gaping hungry maw of the satanic bliz$ard slot machine. All of their games are a UI/slot machine designed to give good feedback, frustrate, then give endorphin rush on money insertion.
Die in a fire shill.
Stopped playing in earnest during wotlk. A buddy and me had been playing together since vanilla wow and one another's company kept us playing damn near daily. Once he decided to stop playing I kept up for another month and stopped.
Army buddies decided to hop on during mop and I joined back only to stop playing a week in. It wasn't the same anymore.
I just play gw2 whenever that particular itch comes back.
>>335326104
MY MOTHER WAS A SAINT
>>335325993
>The only thing that Blizzard consistently pleases is the hardcore raiders who do everyone on the highest difficulty
How are they catered to exactly? By getting fewer raids? Shittier progression? Hardcore raiders have seen massive drops in terms of new blood and even top tier guilds are being torn apart.
Blizz does literally nothing for them and often takes ages to tune fights correctly, they're only around because they're hooked on the warcrack.
Everything they do is for the casuals fampai.
>>335325494
>Tigole
That name still triggers me and I repost this every chance I get.
He LITERALLY invented poop socking.
>>335325982
>Movement Speed
>actual percentages and not rounded numbers
>defensive values for dps classes (i.e. dodge chance for rogues)
There was 0 reason to remove them entirely. They could've just moved the important stuff to the top and left the rest in a collapsible tab, like it is on live, but instead of chosing what would please both sides they just cut out parts of the UI (like they've done with many of the UI settings already).
pls sing the petition
>>335326240
She was. I'm sorry Fampai.
>>335326270
>How are they catered to exactly
The raids are harder to beat on highest difficulty than they've been in years.
>>335326217
Chen Stormstout was an established character in the expansion.
>>335324356
Someone post the blizzard tweet that BTFO of Nostfags.
>>335324356
>imploring i pre-ordered in the first place
no f2p, no play
>>335326286
nostalrius wil ries angain
fug blizard
>>335325145
look at this delusional fucking moron
holy shit
guarantee he actually has a job and tries to justify throwing away money because it makes him feel good when he isn't being a wageslave
>>335326028
>6.1 adds twitter integration
>6.2 adds a few months of content to last over a year
To think there are people who claim not to understand why people are so damn cynical over Legion.
>>335325995
It's for the DK class hall anon.
>>335325494
Kaplan was shit. Guy eventually got what he wanted, a game entirely balanced around raiding to the exclusion of everything else. Logging on two nights a week to show up at an instanced dungeon was and is still complete shit without interesting things to do in the rest of the world.
u thing u du but u dont
#nos2016
>>335326409
When you make posts like this, you're literally "WOW ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME" nu-male cuck tier.
>>335326329
>a joke easter egg character ended up being a huge part of the lore of one of the shittiest expansions WoW has ever had so that justifies.. umm.... something idk lol
epic
contrarian
opinion
bro
>>335326279
>someone make this out of butthurt
>>335326213
>item level 100% determines what you can and cant do, because most people just queue up for shit and those queues have min ilvl reqs
I don't want to be that guy but, that's our fault, not Blizzard's. We caused that to happen and they only responded to what we were doing.
>>335326324
Content that they never saw anyway. 90% of """Raiders""" stick to LFR and don't bother going higher because they're shit.
Are you arguing for casualizing the last difficult aspect of the game?
Also, literally all the difficulty comes from it just being tuned for high numbers, unless you're a mongoloid "Don't stand in Fire" is still the baseline for 90% of raid bosses.
>>335326091
No it fucking wasn't
>Worst dungeons of all time
>Daily Quests for rep grinds that you had to do for gear
>Isle of Thunder/Timeless isle (Initially fun, rare hunting loses its novelty when you are camping them for their shitty RNG drops)
>LFR the expansion
>>335326424
To be fair, how could they remember? Holy SHIT Warlords of Draenor has been going on forever. Fucking hell I'll buy legion just so we can sure it's officially OVER. Like a co-ed in a horror film, -fuck-.
>>335325165
Post more gnomes and goblins you fuck
>>335326424
>months
>>335324502
>and they should of just added more content for vanilla
yes anon. That's how expansion packs work. Why do you think blizz keeps making them.
>>335326213
okay lets say you defended that.
How do you defend the plethora of legendaries, the class hall talents, the followers and world quests not being just straight carbon copied from diablo?
When Destiny loot was failing, they outsourced the Diablo 3 team to teach them how they revived the game. Here we are with WoW, a crippled behemoth, and they hired a bunch of Diablo 3 personell to work on Legion.
Good luck arguing this. You will need it.
>>335326489
Damn son you are getting pretty triggered, sorry you didn't have fun that expac but you don't need to flip out because others did
>>335324356
Why?
First off, why would I preorder?
Second, even if I DID preorder, why would I cancel it now? I don't think they have announced anything new in the last like 6 months about Legion that is worth cancelling your preorder over it if you had one.
>>335326476
They don't think it be like it is but it do
>>335325628
Why does she have a banana?
>>335326539
>Content that they never saw anyway. 90% of """Raiders""" stick to LFR and don't bother going higher because they're shit.
They're not real raiders.
And I know you're going to say that's a no true scotsman fallacy, but fuck you they aren't. It was no different in Wrath when you were called shit if you didn't beat the raid on heroic mode.
>>335326558
Hey, hey whoa. Brewery was the worst thing in existance, but Mogu-Shan Temple is a really cool, colorful instance, Shadow-Pan temple had great difficulty, and the Bug Instances were both really fun. Isle of Thunder and Timeless Isle were really good, progressive designs that encourage going out and killing big monsters with other players, which is exactly what you want.
And if you think it was LFR the Xpack, that's only because YOU made it that way. You can join a guild and raid normally whenever you want, anon.
>>335324356
Nobecause I don't play shit games. WoD somehow managed to kill a corpse and I don't want any part in that freaky necromancer shit.
>>335325993
Neither. The ones Blizzard is currently catering to is their retarded design-team. Many of the changes and prunes are just flat out garbage. They don't serve hardcore players or casuals, they just make the game shittier for everyone.
Example: one of the new lvl100 ret paladin talents, a spell called Equality. Has 5 minutes cooldown and does 100% of your missing health in damage to up to 3 enemies near you.
And this is a lvl100 talent, something your entire rotation is supposed to revolve around. When people pointed out how useless it was in the alpha thread the Blue the posted some smug shit how "not everything is for min/maxers".
But how is the current spell supposed to be enjoyable even for casual players? For instance, if you'd made Equality a mid-level talent that replaces Lay on Hands. You'd be trading your emergency heal for an emergency big-hitter. The min/maxers would've been happy, the casuals would've been happy and everyone still has 3 viable choices for lvl100 talents.
But they didn't. Instead they came up with the retarded decision to have the talent take up an ultimate slot. It didn't even take me 1 minute to come up with a better solution, yet Blizz's dev-team constantly comes up with retarded bullshit like that and then ignores all the feedback where people tell them how horrible it is.
>>335325145
Jesus Christ the denial...
Blizzard is relying on people like you to keep the cash flowing in.
>>335326707
im not defending shit, wow is garbage
>>335326489
Just keep saying contrarian, that makes you right.
If we got Pandaria expansion from the 'original' easter egg, that being the furbolg reskin / "you found a secret pandaren rest area!", i might agree with you. But that's not what we got, after that they decided to add to and legitimize the Pandaren and gave a character with lines and a backstory in the campaign mode, as well as a playable neutral hero in the actual game.
Argue all you want about the expansion, but Blizz made Pandaren legit in TFT and as much as you scream contrarian, that won't undo that fact.
>>335326518
I found that image in 2008, Who knows how much longer its been around.
>>335326687
He's a nostfag, just let him be. Eventually he'll die of dysentery from eating his own shit.
>>335324668
When is this show going to get more episodes? I loved Narcos.
>>335326879
Well anon I said someone, not you.
>>335326806
>equality
The first thing I thought of was a fat disgusting pink-haired whale saying MUH EQUALITY CHECK UR MINMAXER PRIVILEGE
>>335326809
I'm not buying Legion, I just hate retards reducing the legitimacy of an argument with objectively wrong information.
>>335326476
>game was more popular in 2012 than it was in 2005
Only thing that's always bothered me about this pic.
>>335326748
That's why i put three quotes around it. They're not, but Blizzard thinks they are, and they think they are.
The guy i was responding to (you?) is saying that Blizz cater to hardcore raiders above all else and that's the reason why the game is going downhill, i'm saying that's not true, they're not being catered to and LFR is killing any and all potential for new raiders to enter the scene because "why bother with making a group when i can just be a DPS hero in LFR."
>yfw the petition will do nothing and blizzard don't care
It's all over lads. The golden age is dead. Every 1 hardcore person who is upset is replaced by 3 casuals who will gobble it down.
it's over, let it go.
>all these nosfag tear
you knew that one day it would get bigger and blizzard would have to do something about this
>>335326823
wow always was garbage, since november 2004
>>335324668
It's wow. I'll be on it no matter what happens.
>>335326748
You aren't a real raider. Real raiders don't outgear the encounters 9 months into a raid patch, they down all the bosses within 1 month of the instance being released.
Thats not you.
>>335326993
>Every 1 hardcore person who is upset is replaced by 3 casuals who will gobble it down.
Their sub numbers seemed to show the opposite, before they got so embarrased and stopped publishing them.
>>335325628
>playing mage in legion
>dont have to see str values as it's useless
>this is somehow a bad thing
>>335326806
>Example: one of the new lvl100 ret paladin talents, a spell called Equality.
I just looked it up.
Where did Final Verdict go? How the fuck does my rotation work without Final Verdict? Also Equality has only a 3 minute cooldown.
>>335326476
As much as I hate metzen, the amount of butthurt with him telling the community to stuf was glorious.
>Since vanilla WOW casuals complain that there is less for them to do
>Just make more raids and make them more and more accessible
>2016 there is still less to do for casuals, the only people who suffer for it is raiders who also have less content because they have to retool the same shit for different difficulties rather then release actual content
It also doesn't help that they can't design a good MMO anymore, they focus so much time on skinnerbox mechanics like ilvl gates, garrisons, daily quests, weekly allowences of loot/gear.
Players should naturally just feel like they want to log in and adventure, this is why WOW is shit, garrisons are just a condensed version of the shit that is daily quest and badge grinding, removing them wouldn't fix anything, the new 'world quest' system is also more skinnerbox mechanics.
Instead of giving us quests and challenging us to actually complete them by get all the require gear and tools together to beat the bosses, like resist gear and attunement quests of old, they just condition us to grind for rewards that become useless every, single, patch.
>>335326806
Actually, you're right that it's a problem but not for the reason you listed. It's not that Equality is useless, it's that it's way too good.
Equality is the only level 100 that deals personal damage to enemies. That means that for Ret, it is an absolutely mandatory talent, regardless of where it is on the tree. That's a problem, but the real problem is that to optimally use equality, you need to be at 1hp. That's the optimal time to use it. This means that you need to ask your healers to play a game of "Don't Drop the Retard" with your health, which isn't fun for them and is very dangerous to you.
Blizzard responded with "Well just don't pick it them", which shows a STAGGERING misunderstanding of how raiding works. Equality deals damage. For a DPS class, that is LITERALLY ALL THAT MATTERS. DAMAGE. PER. SECOND.
>>335324502
this is b8
is there anything. ANYTHING worse then WoW fags?
>>335327075
>You aren't a real raider.
Heraldn of the Titans says otherwise
>>335327194
nostfags
>>335327112
You just use templars verdict and wake of ashes now. I THINK Wake is supposed to replace Divine Storm, not sure.
Nope, still have it and still looking forward to it. I also just pre-ordered Overwatch.
I'll collect my (You)s now.
>>335326481
>>335327194
Weeaboos like you. Fuck you,disgusting pedophile posting pics of anime little girls or stupid edgy anime things. Don't mess with the wow family or you will get fucked,faggot.
>>335326959
popular =/= community
shit i've been raiding from vanilla to wotlk and the guilds where shit from tbc onwards.
>>335327096
>no movement speed
>no spellpower
The point is also that there was no reason to hide those values, instead of leaving it optional. A cleaned-up interface, where the rest of your stats would be in a collapsible block, would've served everyone. Instead they made the choice to put in extra effort to fuck one side over.
>>335327267
(ouY)
>>335327286
Does this trigger you?
>>335327112
>Where did Final Verdict go? How the fuck does my rotation work without Final Verdict?
Ashbringer gives you abilities that do the same thing.
>>335327267
You fucking faggot I bet you play video games to have fun and don't have crippling, life ending buyers remorse if it doesn't live up to every possible expectation therefor enjoying the game for what it is rather than living in a perpetual state of violent whiplash between delusional hype and suicidal dissapointment!
point at this man! POINT AT HIM AND LAUGH.
>>335327371
I won't fall for your temptation monster.
I have my sub running until 2018 because I make enough gold, so I might as well pay for the expac if I saved over 360 dollars so far
>>335327371
We posting cute now?
Who's ready for the massive butthurt the community is going to have when weekly allowences of artifact power is going to be tied to PVP and PVE
>>335327395
>therefor enjoying the game for what it is
H-he knows my secret.
>>335325628
>The first few months are the time it'll take for the game to establish itself.
It won't of course, the content will be finished by then, but it doesn't matter because you will have paid for the expansion and 2 months of sub like every other chump. Then they announce an expansion for next year and you fall for that as well. All the while they make more money than they would have if they had made a decent expansion.
You're an idiot and I hope you die an idiot's death.
>pre ordering in the first place
>>335325950
>MoP was the best expansion
If you started playing before 2006 and still play today, you'd know that vanilla was the best expansion. But you're a fucking cata baby. Go d I some dailies in your dead island shitter
>>335327621
>You're an idiot and I hope you die an idiot's death.
Not like our lives mean anything in the grand scheme of the cosmos anyway.
>>335326993
Except for when the source code is released and you will see private servers pop up like rabbits all over the place. Blizz's legal department will start hemmoraging money to keep up with the cease and desists and they will be forced into a corner.
>>335327681
Vanilla was okay. Really. I think people really should asterisk that with *It was good for it's time, but if you weren't there in 2006 the design decisions would be absolute bullshit today.
>>335327312
Except it's always posted in the context that the game is dead. Thus making the image look retarded even though that's not necessarily what it's trying to convey.
Also speak on behalf of your own experience. I started in late BC, and at the start of WoD me and my guild rushed to 100 and had a huge war at spires with a couple other guilds against a few large horde guilds. Which then spilled over to frostfire because of the rares that drop mounts.
Those were some of the funniest/fun moments I've had in WoW with friends I've known since I first joined, and i'm literally shocked it came from fucking WoD. It certainly didn't last though.
>>335327681
Vanilla was abysmal, the only good time had in Vanilla was leveling for the first time, innocent to the shitfight that it'd turn into. If you were going to be a nostalgia baby, at least use TBC where they introduced raid mechanics that weren't "don't stand in the stink".
>>335327736
There is no grand scheme of the cosmos you faggot
>>335324772
I really don't understand this argument at all. Its blizzard's game and some guy just ran a bootleg version to make money.
Blizzard giveth and blizzard take away, no?
>>335327743
delusional fuck
Blizzard did nothing wrong closing Nostalrius. Now stop crying like a spoiled baby,a petition won't solve shit.
>>335327743
>they release the source code
>blizzard sues into oblivion
is what will happen
>>335327743
>Hemoraging money.
They send out a letter, and Blizzard's legal team are paid a salary. This is litterally their job, please go away.
>>335327216
You had a 2 year window to earn it, and for the longest time it didnt have gear requirements. You did not earn it when it was patch content.
>>335325887
MoP was fine even with goofy pandas. The only MoP thing I'm mad about really comes down to god awful talent changes and shit tier progression of "sit in SoO for a really long time."
YOU THINK YOU WANT IT BUT YOU DON'T.
IN FACT STOP WASTING PAPER.
>>335327681
>If you started playing before 2006 and still play today, you'd know that vanilla was the best expansion.
Fuck off and die. Even if it wasn't my favorite (which was Wrath), I had a ton of fun in BC and didn't recognize a second of playing it. I fucking hated playing Vanilla.
>>335327148
We've had this problerm before with procs and buffs happening when you take damage. When warriors could stand in fire and get full rage bro!
It's not a good talent. It is actually useless because there's no way to control your HP loss well enough to get that low. Since damage is done in a X to Y spread you never get the most out of Equality. It's unreliable even if the healers let you get low to use it.
>>335327792
>muh raid mechanics
This is the only thing catacucks seem to care about. Turning WoW into DDR.
>>335327112
Your Final Verdict is on tier 1, which is increase dmg of TV and DS...
So yeah, blizzard just fuk both of our class up...
>>335324437
>le preorder contrarian
>b-but muh preorder culture is killing da industry
>>335327936
>didn't recognize
Meant to say didn't regret. That was a wierd mistake.
>All these buttmad Nost-neckbeards thinking Blizzard or the community cares in the slightest about their 'struggle'.
>>335327743
>"T-t-the revolution starts now, c-comrades! We will bring Blizzard down!"
>"Stop... stop laughing at me!"
>"Mooooom!"
>>335327323
>game in alpha
>screenshots from alpha
>this is how it will look on live
>i'm not shitposting
>>335327681
Vanilla was horrible. People only love it because they miss playing when they were kids or pre-teens.
>>335327778
no it doesnt show that the game is dead only that people left.
i didn't play after wotlk so i have no idea.
and guilds had so much drama that i couldn't handle. its always about loot. at least i was always the ml and had minimum problems.
>>335328008
Who are you quoting?
>>335327792
Tbc raids were better, but the introduction of flying killed the world. Flying is the single worst design implementation WoW has ever had. A close second are arenas. All group pvp is ruined because its all balanced around 3v3 garbage.
>>335327842
Explain to me how it wont work?
>>335327847
It takes months to get a law suit in order. How will they keep up with all the servers popping up?
>>335327851
Shit costs money. Your McJob doesn't teach you about legal teams.
>>335328052
>that argument again
>>335327561
If you're going to post cute at least keep the thread theme.
>>335327286
Kill,you're,self,normalfag,
>>335328141
>destro warlock wasn't available on alpha for months
>this just in destro warlock is cut from the game
>>335328052
>it's still in alpha
They've stuck with far, far worse decisions everyone complained over and nobody had any praise for.
The team is fucking delusional at this point.
>>335328063
>>335327936
800k accounts say otherwise. Blizzard is barely holding onto 3mil subscribers
>>335327982
No, making raids engaging. That plus the fact that half the specs were useless and the """"""""content""""""""" outside of raids was the boring attunement slogfest or the horribly balanced PvP disqualifies Vanilla from ever being considered the best.
>>335328118
>but the introduction of flying killed the world
No it didn't, because it was expensive as fuck.
>>335328127
They won't bother with a couple dozen 200 people servers. They'll deal with the ones that get big.
You act as if Nost was the first WoW pserver or something.
>>335328151
Shame what happened to Dr Graevling.
>>335328270
What happened to him? Loved that guy.
>>335328217
>show a steaming pile of shit
>lol dont worry guise its still on alpha surely they will not make us eat this shit
>THANKS BLIZZARD THIS STEAMING PILE OF SHIT IS DELICIOUS I'LL BUY IT FIVE TIMES EVERY MONTH
>>335328326
His draenei girl became his waifu and suddenly he didn't want everyone fapping to her getting fucked anymore.
>trying to have a WoW thread when the nostcucks are still on suicide watch
these cunts are worse than any tumbler or reddit invasion
>>335327929
I'd be pretty mad too if someone mailed me a letter with more paper than I had hair on my head.
>>335328151
Sorry, I don't have any scat fetish. I'll have to make do with shitposting.
>>335328261
>No, making raids engagingRaid mechanics don't make a raid more engaging. And the game isn't about raiding anyway.
>>335328261
Pvp in vanilla was more fun and balanced than at any other stage in WoWs cycle.
Flying was a requirement for raiding in tbc. Everyone had it and it killed the world.
>>335328151
>tfw you will never be an orc going on all you can rape draenei buffet in draenor
>>335328256
>3mil
it's literally sub 1mil right now, don't fall for the inflated unpaid chinese subs meme
>>335328363
...
Wow.
>>335328338
Yep totally on beta to the point...
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1874264-A-collection-of-all-known-cut-delayed-content-in-Warlords-of-Draenor
>>335328430
>Pvp in vanilla was more fun and balanced than at any other stage in WoWs cycle.
>more balanced
>>335328256
>actually using 800k as if it's indicative of who actually played it on a server that's fucking free
Almost as bad as when FFIV touted it had over 1m subs right after they did a huge promotion where you could buy the game and get a month free for 10 dollars. Then promptly never talked about subs again.
>>335324710
KLK was never cool
JoJo is still cool
>>335324356
>Be Blizzard dev
>hurf durf talent trees are useless let's make them just a series of skills you can choose in between
>BUT WAIT HOLD THE FUCK UP JESUS CHRIST STOP THE DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE
>What if we gave every player an artifact like the first hour? I mean literally every XxXDarkLordXxX DK will get an artifact and every xxLegolaSxx hunter will get one too WITH NO EFFORT
>And what if we added the talent tree into that fucking legendary except you can get all the talent points?
>And what if we made a garrison where you upgrade this artifact by sending a disguised garrsion follower to missions?
>And what if every class is now designed around them having this shitty artifact because it has the talent tree in it?
FUCKING 10/10
>>335324710
Is the Undertale fandom already dead ? kek knew it
>>335328376
Yes they do, but they also compliment the superior music, settings and builds that MoP and the first two WoD raids have.
>>335328430
>PvP in Vanilla was more fun and balanced than at any other stage in WoWs cycle
Spotted the Nost retard. MoP was the most balanced PvP and you should end your life if you think ROGUE NATION was the most balanced PvP climate.
>>335328434
Google "Arena of Depravity". And be gentle with yourself.
>>335328430
>balanced
Don't tell me you actually believe this. You nost cucks are getting more desperate every day.
>>335328430
You mean getting one shot by rogue out of no where...
Sure is balance anon...
>>335328461
i'm not even going to read that thread but I KNOW that most of the posts are"they didn't promised that, did they? :)"
>>335328374
>I don't have any scat fetish
>posts shit anyway
>>335325803
You're dumb, they pushed Naxx out because Ulduar was taking longer than expected. The tier sets were in the base of WotLK.
>>335328557
>the superior music, settings and builds that MoP and the first two WoD raids have.
HAHAHAHAHA
>>335328584
Not him but the problem wasn't being one-shot, it was that rogues could stunlock you forever until you died.
>>335328467
it was more fun though
"balanced" games are for literal autists
>>335328470
>people went out of their way to figure out how to create an account and download a decade old game
>that doesn't mean anything guys !
Show me a single private server that can even boast a legit 10k players. You can't. The number could've been 400k and it still is amazing.
R8 out of 8
>>335328673
>It's okay Ma'am, your bathroom is outside because we had to rush to finish your kitchen!
>>335328562
It's not very good.
>>335328682
You just capitulated the argument.
>>335328703
You must have loved with DKs were introduced to the game.I sure did as one.
>>335327743
My god. You actually think the handful of servers that will sometimes pop up will bankrupt Blizzard as it tries to fight them?
This is why no one takes you idiots seriously. Because you say the dumbest fucking shit.
>>335324356
There's just something about this art style that is triggering me. Like some sort of Nick JR Matel presents Death Knights. It's got to the the proportions or something.
>>335328754
>>335328703
It was "balanced" because it was dynamic.
If you and your bros fought another group, the fight could go any way depending on group composition, cooldowns, consumables, ect.
Instanced PVP minigames created a metagame for comp stomps to thrive.
>>335328776
Stating your opinion and putting adjectives in front of words isn't an argument. Try again though, catacuck. I don't think you ever played Vanilla.
>>335328702
Well cloth wearer was getting one shot
>>335328596
Actually you would be surprise if you read all this and go rewatch blizzcon again on youtube...
>>335328819
Not him but it's not. It's rather crappily made.
>>335326990
But no one cares about LFR. No one has cared about LFR since since MoP. Flex is where everyone is now.
>>335328702
This still happens in wod
>>335328584
>>335328557
>>335328467
>classes being unique is bad!
Kill yourselves shitters. Pvp has never been as fun as it was in vanilla.
>>335328842
I presented a position and you capitulated because you couldn't engage them.
>>335328542
The decision for a new, seperate talent system was not bad. It's the execution and the fact that your weapon is already legendary that's fucked up.
Imagine if you'd have gotten a named, but otherwise unremarkable weapon at the start and slowly raised it to legendary status by empowering it.
While the talent system after MoP was junk, the old one was equally crappy. 5 points for +5% crit? Great choice there...
Not to mention that everyone was only using the same talent builds anyway, and the game not acknowleding different roles also limited encounter mechanics.
They should've just shrunk the trees down, one for each spec, instead of X levels of 3 choices.
>>335328879
Something something World of Rogue Craft something Something eat an entire galaxy of cocks you wrath Baby.
>>335328748
thanks for proving my point
>>335325494
Most of ulduar was lead designed by watcher
watcher also became the lead raid designer for ToT and afterwards and as a result raiding is actually the best it's ever been even though ToT is a massive high point any raid in WoD and SoO are much more mechanically impressive and have more mechanics than all of the expansion raid encounters that came previously
>>335328879
>fun
>rogues incredibly broken
>it someone took 5 people to bring you down if you were a shaman, even if you sucked
>>335324356
When:
...did you start?
...did you play most?
...did you quit?
...did you last play?
>Vanilla, AQ patch
>Wrath of Lich King launch
>Cataclysm Hour of Twilight (after completing rogue legendaries)
>Mists of Pandaria Throne of Thunder, I ran the LFR and did some pokemon battles
>>335328924
You presented your opinion and I derided it. There's no engaging an opinion besides agreeing or disagreeing with it. Now make an actual argument.
>>335328863
>Actually you would be surprise if you read all this and go rewatch blizzcon again on youtube...
Oh I know about all the cut out stuff but people in mmo champion are that stupid.
>>335328930
I don't know why people keep thinking of it as a talent tree. It's not. Blizzard never marketed it as such. It's just a progression tree, like a mini leveling game.
The Talent Tree Meme was started to just give people something to be angry about. Stop holding up the myth.
>>335327681
>Vanilla
>expansion
>>335328440
>it's literally sub 1mil right now
ITS ANNUDAH SHOAH
>>335328962
>MUH MECHANICS
lol
>>335328879
Keep telling yourself that mate, you will feel better, everyone knows vanilla PvP is insane, 1 mins sap, chain Stun what's next, getting nuke by mage and lock... Sure is fun mate...
>>335329009
Vanilla day 2
Tie between the latter half of TBC and the first half of Wrath
Multiple times, but I come back when there's new content
3 months ago I think, I'll go back when I can play DH.
>>335329052
It is a fucking talent tree. It's a talent tree because the shit you get out of those talents in the artifact are so fucked up good.
Everyone should unsub and boycott Legion.
>>335329109
Yeah it was fun. You could 1 shot people back then with proper preparation. That was a good time. Not that you ever experienced it.
>>335328819
>>335329009
Wotlk
Wotlk
Cata first raids
all Mist till the end, then come back to legion
>>335328440
>it's literally sub 1mil right now
Do you have proof of that? I'm not saying you're a liar, but if you're going to make a statement, you need proof beyond THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL PEOPLE.
>>335329152
Everyone unsubbed months ago when there was nothing else to do in the fucking game. The only people left are the retarded cucks in this thread who gobble Blizz's cum at every opportunity.
>>335329104
I don't get it, you guys bitch about them casualizing the game but then when they make something harder or objectively better you disregard it.
