WE DID IT
WE'RE GETTING VANILLA SERVERS
Meh. I did hear it was really easy to play Warrior tank in vanilla, just sunder and that's it. Maybe I'll give it a try.
You're not going to pay for it though.
nice
now blizzard will make a legacy server, and we can move on from having the front page spammed with with this.
>Blizzard "lolno"
>More faggotry from Nostfags
>>334939541
>150 000 people who were active
No wonder they shut your delusional shit down
>>334939541
He thinks because 200,000 poorfags who wanted to play for free signed a shitty petition that Blizzard gives a fuck .
NEVERNEVER
EVEREVER
>>334939541
ITS HAPPENING
Cyu at Durotar boys
Now we just need to wait until blizzcon for announcement and winter 2016 for the actual fucking servers.
>>334939541
>200k sigs
I wouldn't get my dick out for 200k if I was blizzard.
>>334939541
Meme petition of the People v. Meme company
>>334941509
that isn't blizzard time
blizzard time is 2018 at best
>it's the old "if we sign a petition they'll have to listen to us!" meme
When will you learn?
>Mfw have to wait until they finish legion so they can intentionally ruin vanilla
>>334941519
Signing the petition is free so of course there would be 200k signatures.
>>334939659
>vanilla
>easy anything
>>334939541
The only way you can make a difference is if you convince people to not buy Legion.
>>334941689
this
YOU THINK YOU DO, BUT
>>334939541
"You think you want that, but you really really don't." I don't understand why Blizzard is so adverse to it considering people have been nuts for vanilla would probably pay for a supported server from Blizzard themselves.
Make the vanilla server 3/4ths of a regular subscription and add micro transaction skin shit to it and I'm sure they'll be rolling in money
>>334939541
>WE'RE GETTING VANILLA SERVERS
Hhh..... hehe.. ha.. hahha... hHha..
HA
HAH
HAJHAJAHAHHAHAHAHAJHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHHAHGAHDGHADHSAHSHAHAHAHAHAHHAhAHAHAH
>pve shitters
if you never got glad end your life
>>334941696
Mages had it pretty easy. Just make food, and shoot an ice bolt every once in a while to avoid threat.
Id rather they work on the actual game, nostalgia makes you forget how crappy vanilla was.
>>334939541
>That feel when my autohotkey script is still running and its been 8 days.
I am easily 75 thousand of those signatures. My laptop that I'm using to do this is starting to lag though.
Laptops, not even once.
>>334941997
But people were play nost for a year.
>>334941696
Yes, just faceroll while 39 other assholes carry you.
>>334942041
Thats how long it takes to attune for onyxia
blizzard will take notice if you get up to a million signatures that will say they will pay money
>>334941893
Let me guess, you got it in some dogshit unbalanced faceroll season like 5 and ever since you've thought you're the hottest shit to ever live?
>>334942158
So did the nost team get caught on purpose before people realized how shit vanilla was?
You Think you want it, but you dont.
>>334939541
>if a minority cries loudly enough, the people on top have to listen to us and give in to our demands
You faggots are no worse than Tumblr "activists."
>>334942280
>J-jigglebilly senpai?
>>334942192
s4-s8, 6 glads 3 classes. arguably the hardest seasons and best pvp has ever been and will be.
>>334942041
>But people were play nost for a year.
Spotted the third worlder.
>>334941696
>WoW PvE
>hard anything
>>334942360
Can you carry me in the real game? I haven't done pvp.
>>334942280
Temper Tantrums are the only way to make a point anymore, because everything else actually does get ignored
>>334942587
i'm not subbed. cata/mop/wod are all dogshit from what i played. i would if i was subbed
>>334942360
Which battlegroup and what comps, champ? :)
>>334942280
>people asked for Runescape classic servers for ages
>Jagex finally had the balls to release them
>somehow both legacy AND live manage to be extremely successful in their own rights
You just don't like fun, do you?
>>334942836
What the fuck does that have to do with shitting up countless threads, acting exactly like the Tumblr posters /v/ is so apparently "against"
>>334942280
"Hey we're a group of people willing to pay you money for this thing, we aren't paying you for what you have available now. If you want some money we're directly telling you we want something you can give us"
Yes this is as bad as Tumblr?
>>334943021
How dare we talk about video games
>>334942740
i boosted on all groups, mainly bg9.vindi/ruin/rampage/vengeance.
rmp mainly, 3x mage, 2x rogue.
>>334941230
>~12-15k active across the board in retail
>but 150k is bad
>>334939541
YOU THINK YOU WILL
BUT YOU WON'T
>>334942443
>>334943362
I lol'd
>>334939541
You're never getting them, idiots
>>334943495
NEVER
EVER
>>334943495
Go play your Legion alpha, son.
>>334939541
Was Nostralius before or after the update making HWL items buyable with honor? If after who fucking cares.
>>334941696
HAHAHAHAHAHA
POST YFW NOSTFAGS UNIRONICALLY BELIEVE THAT VANILLA RAIDING WAS HARDER
>>334943529
fuck off y2j
>>334941825
Because they make way more money off of selling expansions.
If they give you the option to play normally without buying the expansion, that entire business model goes to shit.
They want EVERYONE to buy the expansion. They don't want a splintered user base where some buy the expansion and some don't. They need to push the narrative that if you don't buy the expansion, you don't get new content and you get left in the dust.
>>334943825
You are talking about TBC prepatch. All vanilla private servers are 1.12.
Filling out a petition does not equal getting the goal of that petition
Hell this one isn't even likely
>>334942015
>Kern's face when he prints it and it's the same name 75000 thousand names
>>334942836
What's obnoxious is how you feel like you're entitled to one version of the game and that Blizzard has to do what you say because "we're right and they're wrong." Like >>334943052, you're just trying to tack on arguments that will fall apart upon actual implementation. You say "oh, we're going to pay for this," when Nostalrius was free to join and only less than a quarter of the registered accounts were active.
Feel free to ignore that once you get through all the content of Vanilla, there's nothing left to do. It's basically a drain of time and resources to maintain legacy servers that aren't going to receive content updates. And you're going to start schisming the community into two factions opposed to one another, with one nostalgia-based group and one modern retail-based group.
You Nostalriusfags can't even think beyond "GIVE US VANILLA, IT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE WE SAY SO." You just want legacy to be contrarian to Blizzard and to relive nostalgia that will fall apart after days of grinding through the 30s levels. Not everyone wants to play your style, and forcing Blizzard to devote resources to this project that would probably, at most, garner a fraction of the active accounts at the time of Nostalrius's closing will likely cause them to cut costs somewhere. You'd likely kill any chance of decent content being pumped out for modern retail because they would have people working on servers that will remain stagnant once the last Vanilla content comes out.
Your selfishness is what is annoying. That you would rather think about getting Legacy than thinking of any other big picture concepts.
>tfw I got back into TOR since I wanted to play an MMO and forgot it existed
>tfw I got a couple of my buddies to play with me and we're all making fresh characters
>tfw we set down rules so one of us doesn't pull too far ahead in levels
I heard the latest expansion actually has a writing budget almost on par with the class storylines this time, can any TORfags confirm this?
>>334942693
The pvp was that bad?
>>334943758
What kind of reply is that?
>>334944070
1000x this
>>334944273
A bitter, lashing out one.
>>334942015
Congratulations on proving a point that Nostalriusfags are so desperate for what THEY want that they'll bloat their own numbers to try to get what they want.
>>334944048
Then charge more for the vanilla sub. Most of these people aren't paying for a sub right now anyway. More money for minimal cost is better than no money at all/
>>334943862
Wasn't it? I mean, you never saw people completely clear endgame content in a matter of weeks in Vanilla/BC.
>>334944380
That's what the nost developers did in the game, littering it with corpses and characters to inflate numbers, so why not us?
>>334944251
absolutely fucking terrible
they just keep raising the skill floor while lowering the skill ceiling
>>334939541
>we're getting vanilla servers
>>334943021
This is a board where new threads are generatesi by the minute, there's literally nothing stopping you from ignoring it and contribute to the threads you like, except your own autism.
>>334941586
>2018
For what a single small server? They'll take 10 years to fully implement it.
>>334944171
People just want to play vanilla, man, but no one will let them
>>334942280
Nostalriusfags are willing to pay for something that's separate from the main product and can co-exist (Kind of like OSRS).
Tumblr activist want to change established products to suit their agenda.
BLIZZARD PAJEETS BTFO, POO IN LOO BLIZZSHILLS
>nostalgiafaggots literally begging the jews that killed their server
Have some dignity you cucks.
>>334943252
What? You think there's 15k people playing current WoW?
What?
friendly reminder to you goyim that mark kern is an antisemite and that you should trust bobby kotick.
>>334944171
The customer's always right. Kill yourself, Blizzdrone.
>>334945574
>Kotick
Jesus fucking Christ how horrifying
>>334944586
Vanilla mechanics were a joke, but trying to get 40 retards and children together and do everything correctly when the game was new was a fucking nightmare. And then Naxx was so gear dependent that one minor hiccup was a wipe.
TBC mechanics got a little harder in places but again it was mainly stat tuning.
These days it's not as gear dependent but there's a thousand things going on every fight. People have played it for 10 years and Blizzard have to answer that by just piling on more and more mechanics each time.
It's why content on private servers gets cleared instantly, it's a fucking joke when you go back knowing exactly how to play your class and what to do for every encounter.
I think the main issue is that blizzard makes their old content useless. They really should think about going about the ffxiv route.
>>334943862
And you, post your face when you tried to get 8 tanks in 6 parts T2/2 parts T3 AND communicate properly without the VOIP tools we have today AND not fuck up aggro for the 4H.
>>334944586
because wow players in vanilla werent concerned about dps performance or min maxing until AQ40/Naxx
Warriors ran 31 points into arms and could still tank
Druids had an identity problem so they just healed
Hunters weren't even allowed to properly dps because serpent sting was a waste of a debuff slot
Mages spammed frost bolt
paladins healed even if they were using a reckoning build
Priests healed as holy. A few had to actually start stacking hit and go Disc for Instructor razuvious for mind control
over 70% of rogue damage was auto attacks. Yet none of them ever tried to get hit or expertise. the best dagger in the game until Naxx was a blue dagger (distracting dagger) that gave +15 to dagger skill
Shamans were just there to give windfury totem, heal a little, and abuse grounding totem on princess huhuran
warlocks spammed shadowbolt
Only reasoning vanilla raids could have been harder was managing 40 people in a raid. It wasn't bad for MC, BWL, firs thalf of AQ40, because a raid of 40 could get carried by 10 players. Guilds died during Naxx for a reason
>>334942443
>b...but muh nerdy no-life everquest
sorry you could have a job and play wow
>Vanilla WoW
Nah, what we actually need is WotLK servers.
I don't care about 'muh hardcore mmo', I want it to be reasonably challenging, actual multiplayer game and I want Pre-Cata world back.
I believe I'm not the only one.
>>334946394
God damn, when you put it all like that, Vanilla really sucked a fat one didn't it?
>>334939659
That's not how you do it. It's involved in the rotation but just sundering is far from optimal, it's not your highest threat move.
Preach is an idiot, assuming you heard this from his video.
>>334946552
Play Dalaran-WoW. Coming from someone who usually can't stand privates it's the best you're ever going to get, Naxx was near perfectly scripted. I stopped playing when they released Ulduar 'cause I had no time but people were reporting that it was working just fine.
>>334946593
No bro, stop letting the Blizzdrone brainwash you when we're already this close to getting what we wanted. Vanilla raiding was better than Retail in every way.
>>334946394
And Fury warriors topping the charts in AQ/Naxx gear but had to stop attacking if they didn't want the boss to smack their face.
Threat meters were huge in vanilla now kids don't even know about aggro anymore.
What faction bros? we need to come up with a name for the /v/ guild too.
All blizzard will do is post a lengthy apology/explanation of why they won't do it.
If you think anything will really happen you are beyond delusional.
P.S. vanilla was shit.
>>334946728
Seeing as Nost got sued, Dalaran will be too in the matter of days.
>>334945763
Bitch please, MMOs nowadays aren't even MMOs. It's literally no different than if SMITE were pure PVE oriented and the size of your team could hit 25-40 or some shit.
There's no fucking difference. Everyone only cares about MUH RAIDS which are basically tiny ass maps with set gimmicks.
D:OS2 has more immersion and dynamism than every single instance of WoW put together and you can only have 4 people at the same time.
>>334945763
>TBC mechanics got a little harder in places but again it was mainly stat tuning.
Ignorant to the max
Vanilla servers would only sever as a bandaid on a brain tumor.
You cannot save this game.
Let it go.
>>334946826
This. Taking longer to do things isn't fun, it's a chore. Paying for the privilege of not having fun is something girls do.
>>334946826
>vanilla was shit
opinion invalidated
all of the support and social media hype around this thing indicates that it'd be massively popular and profitable for blizzard, it almost will definitely happen unless they decide to exercise some top tier delusion
>>334945158
>Pay
How many of those 200k are actually going to pay for it now that the servers won't be free.
>>334946552
You're not.
The only reason i would want play Vanilla Wow is because it's kind of legendary.
I only started playing WOW during the Burning Crusade, and while it was amazing, I wish I did earlier and experienced it for myself.
Cataclysm was shit, at leas everyone agrees on that.
>>334946745
But what the guy said was all true. Mages literally did just spam frostbolt, I should know, I played one. Granted I was a retarded 14 year old but it was more than enough to get us through everything but Naxx.
>>334946826
>lengthy explanation
These are the people that were trying to sue Valve over a character being named Skeleton King. They will shut it down without a single word and sick lawyers on anyone who will try to bring it up.
>>334946857
They didn't get sued. There's also tons of private servers that have been up for years. Nost was just popular and Blizz gave it a backhand to remind people of what they do when these things get out of control.
Also if anyone thinks a petition is going to get them to change their minds they're fucking retarded.
>>334939861
>front page
Wow less than 1% wow subscribers actively played/wanted that.
>>334947386
over a million
~1k people played a free private server for circa 2007 runescape, 40k people paid jagex to play on the official version. do the math blizzcuck.
>>334947141
Kael'Thas looting, equippinga and using the weapons?
VashJ looting the core and dropping it to others?
Magthe clicking the shit?
Gruul everything?
Gorefiend ghost gameplay?
Muru managing the adds?
Not as bad as today obviously but still lot more than immobile bosses you just nuke.
>>334942360
>>334941893
>getting a pvp rank on an unbalanced pve-centered game means something
>bragging about this on an anonymous basket weaving forum
glads were the easiest to make fun of
>>334947141
What exactly was ignorant about that? Are you going to tell me that anything pre Sunwell was mechanically challenging compared to the shit we have now?
There was just much, much less room for error back then.
>implying I'm going to go back to only 60% speed mounts at level 40 for massive amounts of gold
heck no.
>>334944171
What kind of fucking cuck cares about some dumb corporation on their behalf? So long as they give me what I want I couldn't care less if they lose money on it. Grow some nuts u dumb fucking redditor lmao
>people actually think modern blizzard cares about the hardcore and veteran fans
If you're lucky, you'll get a "We can't do legacy servers, here's why..." blog post.
>>334947779
shills
>>334947386
The thing is, there are many people that would never even play a shitty private server, but pay for an official Blizzard private server. I know at least a dozen.
But it's not going to happen.
>>334939541
Thanks for the show of support loyal blizzard gamers!
To get you into Vanilla you'll have to Purchase World of Warcraft: Classic which is different from the current game. It will be priced at $60. Then just pay your $20 subscription and you're good to go!
Don't forget, no token system in Classic so that's not an option!All these delusional retards that think blizzard is going to give them Vanilla for free. I would charge you faggots more than retail because you're clearly mentally challenged for wanting to play an old version of the game.
never played on nost or any of these vanilla servers. I am assuming that because it's free it was infested with chinks? how fucked was the economy because of it? I saw a screenshot of ironforge before the server was going to shut down and everyone had an epic mount and that shit was hard to get in vanilla
>>334942360
>arguably the hardest seasons
Yeah man that's why people cleaved it up and sold titles more than ever.
>>334947648
As opposed to beating a scripted dungeon that literally doesn't change week after week after week? Oh no Dark Souls lite with 20 people, so hard!
Anyone can make fun of anyone, but no one gives two shits about you little nigger you were a nobody.
>>334939541
This won't do anything. I hope everyone who participated aren't holding their breath
>>334947924
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)
>>334945574
>Bobby Kotick
But Bobby K. has nothing to do with Blizzard, you stupid spaceslut goatcunt.
>>334947616
And this somehow proves you right how? There was far more to the bosses than these few mechanics you mention. Look up guides on them if you need to refresh your memory a bit better
>>334947610
>>334947924
So it looks like we got 40,000+12.
Compare that to a couple million
>>334948001
>All these delusional retards that think blizzard is going to give them Vanilla for free.
literally nobody thinks that, and they won't charge $60 for a box lmao you blizzcucks are silly
>>334948108
I'm not even the guy you were replying to. Your post was sarcastic as fuck anyway so fuck off. Everyone's ignorant but you, good job.
>>334948067
he owns blizzard
>>334948002
The server was up for a year. The only people that stuck around on Nost played a lot. In Vanilla there's just no point in half assing it so 75% of people got bored after level 20.
Don't forget that a LOT of people that played Vanilla were kids with all the free time in the world, who are now adults with jobs.like me ;_;
>>334939541
You think you have enough signatures, but you don't.
>>334941519
>>334941689
>>334941761
I mean, there is a lot of petitions and they could charge the same amount and people wouldnt really complain.
I wouldn't run away from the money, as president.
If only half of those people actually play it, that signed, it would still be a million and a half dosh, if i remember correctly it was 15 dollars a month, right?
Then what does this make in a year? I mean, come on.
>>334948126
>40,000+12
>the math skills of these shills
pajeets for sure
>>334948205
Vivendi owns both Activision and Blizzard.
>Petition race
Memes aside, they won't do anything until legion has been out for awhile. A vanilla server would make legion look like the trashheap of a expac that it is.
>>334945443
maybe in china, less in eu/na
>>334948224
They won't notice it until it's a lynching mob right at their door. And even then they will probably try to sue it first.
>>334948063
>>334948126
Look, I'm not saying EVERYONE knows a dozen people who want the same thing. I'm just saying, those people are out there. They can't stand putting up with shitty buggy versions of a game they loved, but would pay to go back to it if Blizz was running the show.
Again though, it's never going to happen and people are delusion for believing so.
>>334941696
I cleared BWL back in the day without ever thinking about checking up my class mechanics online.
I was a hunter. I was auto attacking 85% of the time. Vanilla was just a non-stop gear check for the raid nothing else don't get delusional.
>>334939541
>YEAH NOW WE CAN CONTINUE GIVING THE COMPANY THAT FUCKED US OVER MORE MONEY FUCK YEAH VICTORY!
Fucking Blizzdrones
>>334944171
>"GIVE US VANILLA, IT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE WE SAY SO."
>lead Vanilla developer literally came out and gave insider numbers of how Nost was doing better than original Vanilla and how official Legacy servers would bring millions of new subs
Blizz shills don't even have arguments anymore.
>>334947648
>killing scripted dragons is somehow more challenging
that is like saying reading a book is harder than winning the superbowl
>>334948151
You truly don't understand business then. If people want vanilla so badly then they could charge whatever they want and people will still buy it.
You think they won't charge $60? They would have to have an entirely devoted development, maintenance and QA team, not to mention servers.
Heh, but keep dreaming about your cheap vanilla. I hope they get you fucks for $100 or more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhTTY4-5E1s&feature=youtu.be&t=37m16s
Reminder
learning to take no for an answer is part of growing up
>>334941893
>glad
>vanilla
>>334948236
>as president
No such luck for Blizzard
>>334939541
>vanilla
What a fucking waste this petition should have been for TBC not shitty ass vanilla
>>334944171
>Someone having a version of the game they want is detrimental to you
>Not patching something is a waste of resources
>People paying for something they want is a waste of Blizzard's resources
You're one of the dumbest people here
>>334948564
I'm gonna need a source on that, chum.
>>334948304
They don't have to post the data
>>334948626
Who are you quoting?
>>334945763
>40 man raids were a nightmare
Yet somehow community polls have the 40 man raids (MC/BWL) as the highest rated raids in WoW history. And players on Nost had no issue putting together 40 man raids and playing them. It was fun.
>>334939541
>we did it guys, we can throw more money at the company we spent years hating because they didn't give us what we wanted
Blizzcucks are a mystical breed of retard.
"Hey Mike, it's Mark. Put up some legacy servers?"
"No, Mark and it's nice to see you again. Wanna go grab a drink?"
"Sounds good, lemme tweet first and let's go"
Giving hope to nostalgiafags then crushing it over and over is the best part about this entire thing.
The only MMO i've ever played was Wizard 101 when I was already an adult
what MMO should I play
>>334948569
>tfw the raid full of gladiators like inactive from CLC ran a train through black temple and Sunwell to prove that PvE is easy as shit
>got cock blocked by gear requirements on brutalis
>guild disbands
;_;
>>334946593
I don't agree with the assessment, but regardless there was a shit ton more to the game than raiding/the endgame, unlike retail.
>>334946394
>Mfw considering playing a vanilla server
>read this
>Remember How shitty Vanilla was
Yeah i'Lloyd pass but I'must still signing so that at least other people can go back and play it if they liked it.
Honestly just because I don't like something doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to enjoy it. And if you have this mindset you are just as bad as SJWS
>>334948698
>>Someone having a version of the game they want is detrimental to you
>>Not patching something is a waste of resources
>>People paying for something they want is a waste of Blizzard's resources
All of those are true, retard see>>334948590
>>334941696
>vanilla WoW
>not just standing in one place and spamming your rotations mindlessly
It's been more than a decade anon. It's time to let your delusions go.
>>334943862
>twin emps was easy
>>334948924
>what MMO should I play
Wait for Legacy servers then start playing Vanilla WoW. It will give you the best MMO experience in video game history.
>>334948572
>hurrurru they can charge whatever they want! they can charge $1,000,000 if they want because it's theirs! haha nostcucks got you!
you're a retard
>They would have to have an entirely devoted development, maintenance and QA team, not to mention servers.
http://www.pcinvasion.com/ex-world-of-warcraft-dev-explains-blizzard-vanilla
According to the man who was team lead when the game was made, it wouldn't be all that expensive or difficult.
Petitions don't normally suceed.https://www.change.org/p/from-software-release-bloodborne-for-the-personalized-computing-platform
>>334948857
I'm saying they were a nightmare to organise. Of course they were still fun, but if you weren't a guild leader in Vanilla, you won't know what I mean when I say it was a fucking headache getting 39 other people who sort of know how to play to work together, especially when back then there were more kids.
Nost is irrelevant, all those people came back to do what they'd already done and knew exactly how to do it.
>>334948548
>piratefags
>>334949048
But he's not with the company anymore. So his opinion is moot.
>>334948967
I know there was more to do, but I don't think I could go from having an actual rotation that changes depending on the situation to literally pressing one key over and over again.
>>334948674
If they make a vanilla server, they can always make a server for each expansion
>>334947564
>An EIGHTH of current western subs
><1% = 12.5%
hurr
so would you guys keep playing the same raids over and over again? I suppose what was exciting to me about WoW was seeing all of the new stuff
>>334948345
Can't believe Nost fags are this delusional
>>334948705
http://www.pcinvasion.com/ex-world-of-warcraft-dev-explains-blizzard-vanilla
Honestly this interview should be in the OP of every nost thread from now on
>>334948572
That's not how business works at all. If you actually want people to buy your product you determine how many people would buy at a given price balanced by the need to make a profit. Seeing as private vanilla servers exist for minimal cost and upkeep you really think that a company like Blizzard would have any trouble replicating that?
You have no fucking idea how business and pricing works.
>>334949227
What? If anything his opinion is more valid than anyone at Blizz. He's not getting paid to say the right things and doesn't risk losing his job by telling it straight.
It wouldn't be as easy as some people think but it certainly wouldn't be much sweat off Blizzard's back.
>2012 vanilla WoW is released
>GAME IS CASUALIZED SHIT LEVELING IS SO FAST. I CAN EAT DRINK BEFORE FIGHTS IN LIKE 5 SECONDS
>HOLY FUCK PVP IS BROKEN
>PLEASE COPY PASTE DaoC
>2016
>PLEASE BRING BACK VANILLA IT WAS THE BEST MMO EVER
>>334949227
>only blizzard's word matters!
>if they're not currently affiliated with Blizzard Entertainment™, Activision™, or Vivendi™, do not listen to them goyim!
wew lad. it's time to remove the Blizzard™ buttplug from your anus anon.
>>334949475
When it comes to implementing something into World of Warcraf.. Yes?
>>334949475
Yes, only blizzards word matters when it comes to an official vanilla server.
>>334949381
>mark kern
stopped reading there
>>334949347
No, a lot of people would just want to do the full experience and stop when they conquered Naxx. Which, while it would take a good while, is one of the reasons Blizz will never ever do this. Most people will realise how shitty Vanilla is in 2016 and quit after level 20. The people that stay will then mostly leave when they've done everything.
>>334944171
You're the type of person who works in a restaurant but complains when people come in 15 minutes before closing even though you'll get more money from them.
It's really funny watching people who would pay blizzard for a vanilla server calling other people blizzdrones.
>>334949446
The difference is only a small handful of assmad EQ cucks were claiming Vanilla was casual babbyshit
>>334946394
>because wow players in vanilla werent concerned about dps performance or min maxing until AQ40/Naxx
Flat out bullshit lie.
>Warriors ran 31 points into arms and could still tank
What is an off-tank?
>Druids had an identity problem so they just healed
All hybrids healed.
>Hunters weren't even allowed to properly dps because serpent sting was a waste of a debuff slot
Most of their damage was white.
>Mages spammed frost bolt
Only because of fire immunity in the first raid. There were very many arcane and fire mages.
>paladins healed even if they were using a reckoning build
All hybrids healed
>Priests healed as holy. A few had to actually start stacking hit and go Disc for Instructor razuvious for mind control
Whoa, they used the healing spec to heal? Say it ain't so.
>over 70% of rogue damage was auto attacks.
No shit. White damage was the majority of every DPSers damage, not just rogues.
>Shamans were just there to give windfury totem, heal a little, and abuse grounding totem on princess huhuran
You're super good at these generalizations.
>warlocks spammed shadowbolt
>curse of elements didn't exist, healthstones and summoning portals didn't exist
It was in TBC that warlocks became real shadowbolt turrets.
>>334949475
Damn it's pretty funny how stupid your post is yet you're completely oblivious to it
>>334949625
>stop when they conquered Naxx
HAHAHA
23 GUILDS YOU FUCKING IDIOT
>>334949559
>When it comes to implementing something into World of Warcraf.. Yes?
Considering Mark Kern was the team lead when World of Warcraft was actually developed, I think his opinion on implementing features into the game is pretty relevant.
I love how this guy comes out and BTFO's all of the blizzshills by telling you that you're basically retarded and you frantically shift the goalposts so that everything he says is invalidated because he disagrees with you.
He straight up tells you how easy and cheap it'd be. There's absolute no reason to not take his word on that unless you're so desperate for that $0.05/shitpost job.
>>334947610
I don't understand how Jagex is related to WoW to make these kinds of calculations
>>334949837
I'm aware that I'll be paying Blizzard for legacy servers. You're not as smart as you think you are.
>>334949014
He doesn't actually address any of the points that I listed. He says patching costs money not that letting the game be costs money.
He doesn't say in any way that people playing the game they want is detrimental TO YOU. It doesn't affect you in any way if there are vanilla servers. You can continue to play the latest expansions.
He says "other MMO's tried this and failed" but we can see very obviously in Runescape that it does work. What other MMO's have tried this? Do you have any examples?
That video doesn't debunk anything. He just says "It's hard and we don't want to do it"
I don't actual vanilla WoW is doable. Mostly because it was a flawed, broken piece of shit. I do however, think that re-vitalizing the community by attempting to re-model retail WoW like vanilla WoW is a better solution.
Remove the queue shit like LFG, add group quests, restore Azeroth to it's state before the Cataclysm and you'll pretty much fix the major problems with retail WoW. You don't have to completely reset the game, I'd much rather keep the QoL stuff like the transmog wardrobe and barbershop as opposed to having everything removed for the sake of being pure vanilla. I don't want my warrior to be nothing but a tank, spec balance in vanilla was godawful as was the raid boss design.
>>334950042
>Both MMOs
>Both became extremely popular in the mid 2000s
>Both made significant changes to the game that a large portion of their playerbase disliked
>Both have a huge demand for versions of the older game
It's as close of a relation as you'll get.
>>334950139
great blogpost. do you have a tumblr I can follow?
>>334950191
Yeah, except one is still number #1 after more than a decade and one was in complete distress
>>334945582
No one that has ever worked in retail will tell you that. The customer's opinion is tolerated purely because strangling them isn't legal
>>334950378
It's still a very related scenario. Try again.
>>334950078
It goes without saying that two different versions of the same game splits the playerbase for the worse and everything else is not feasible as he said. Stop using runescape as an example of success, that shit has like 50k players at best
>>334949976
I wasn't saying that implementing it would be a bad idea, I was saying that when it comes to something being implemented into the game the only thing that matters is the opinion of people who are currently in the company, why should they care that someone who doesn't work there anymore has an opinion?
Blizzard could definitely squeeze out a decent amount of money by pulling this legacy server stunt but they really don't have to, and this petition isn't exactly monumental.
>>334950445
>It's still a very related scenario
If you say so, armchair analyst
>>334949642
Fuck those people, the closing up process starts almost an hour before actual closing time.
>>334949931
23 guilds when the game was new, when Naxx was new and nobody had ever seen the fights before, when guides weren't readily available online and when people hadn't been playing the game for nearly a decade.
Naxx by today's standards is easy as fuck, it's just heavily gear dependent.
BWL got cleared on Nost in a matter of hours, as I recall.
>>334944171
People asked for this in runescape and it was very successful. If anything, I would take it up with blizzard, who is a multi billion dollar company, as to why they have to take resources from up to date wow to keep legacy wow afloat
>>334944067
So after the rework of warlock ?
Guess i'm gonna roll a warlock
>>334950402
I work in retail and I try very hard to get the customer what they want. That way they come back and bring repeat business.
Is there an mmo with actual consequences if you die/wipe. I.e. Lose gear, point etc
>>334950139
And you think a huge portion of the current casual WoW fanbase won't immediately quit when they REMOVE stuff that makes the game easier?
>>334950582
They'd have to cut into the execs end of year bonuses to keep vanilla wow up. Can't have that.
>>334950694
Then I have to ask what field you worked in that you didn't hate the job.
I worked in women's clothing
>>334950460
>It goes without saying that two different versions of the same game splits the playerbase
The playerbase is already split anon. 10 million people quit the game and no longer play. Not an argument.
>everything else is not feasible as he said
Weird. Nostalrius did itfor free, and with a small handful of amateur developers.
http://www.pcinvasion.com/ex-world-of-warcraft-dev-explains-blizzard-vanilla
And then you have the team lead when the game was actually made telling you it's extremely feasible.
>Stop using runescape as an example of success
Why? Because it BTFO's your side of the argument. 50k concurrent players during peak for Oldschool Runescape is phenominal, all things considered.
>>334950774
People are already leaving, who cares at this point?
>>334950761
In Star Wars Galaxies, if you died as a jedi you were dead dead.
>>334950551
>Naxx by today's standards is easy as fuck
I'm just gonna stop replying because you really have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
>>334950761
EVE
>>334950694
I don't work in retail. Today we flat out told a customer that if he doesn't like the license agreement for our software he can look elsewhere.
>>334949029
Yes it was, the only hard part was hammering it into the skull of that one retard that he for fucking sake should stop aggroing the beetles.
>>334950761
Yeah, good way to make sure nobody but fucking neckbeards play the game.
Look, this poster gets it.
>>334950915
>>334944248
I can, it's pretty cool, very story based
>>334950460
>splits the playerbase
What playerbase? WoW is already turned into a COOP game no different than Diablo only with higher player cap. The world itself is the lobby, and the raids are when you join the game.
What is this community that you speak of? People don't even talk to each other inside these instances, why would they talk to random strangers they pass by in their luxury lobby?
>>334950761
Yes there is a gear repair cost :^)
>>334949347
I'd like to play through the old raids, but generally speaking the point of legacy servers for me is to be able to grow a character organically and play at the cap you want without having the community be dead because the 5-10% of people who want to enjoy the ride are spread out across all the servers playing with the 90% of people who are only interested in playing at the level cap.
I'd like to play Vanilla again, but the idea would be to get through all the raids at the proper cap before moving on and doing it with BC, and then WotLK, and then Cataclysm, and so on.
The big problem with WoW is that leveling through dead content sucks, leveling way too fast through dead content also sucks, and getting a boost to the latest expansions minimum level sucks. The issue isn't that Vanilla was a much better game. The issue is that people want community, which is something that was neglected in recent expansions.
Alternatively, they could make a bunch of money just dropping the MMO portion and making the game a fucking single player game that is paced correctly.
>>334950885
Mechanically? It's a joke. It was only ever hard because people hadn't already done it and the gear checks were insane.
Stop kidding yourself. There's a reason everything got cleared on Nostalrius instantly.
>>334950806
I'm a butcher. I've got a few repeat customers that I now know by name and we talk for about half an hour each time they come in.
There's one old Chinese guy that teaches me some dirty tricks for fighting each time he comes in. Another guy is a history professor at a local university. I even have some people I knew in high school come in to buy things from time to time.
I always try to get the customer exactly what they want.
>>334950484
>I was saying that when it comes to something being implemented into the game the only thing that matters is the opinion of people who are currently in the company
I understand that it's their decision at the end of the day whether or not the servers go up, but people outside of Blizzard who are experienced in the industry can definitely weigh in and still have a valid opinion. Kern says legacy servers are easy to do and would be very cheap, and you're saying that he can't possibly be right because he doesn't currently work for Blizzard Entertainment™?
Come on son.
>>334951013
As opposed to the totally hip and trendy neckbeards playing current WoW?
>>334949748
>summoning portal and health stone in dps rotation
>a 5 minute debuff
>confirming that most dps was white so dps was more complex?
just stop. the only complex pve mechanic MAYBE was threat management and downscaling your healing spells
>>334950818
>The playerbase is already split anon
It isn't, it's basically a bunch of non-players versus the people who still play and will be back for legion. You're a cipher and insignificant in the grand scheme of things, all of you private server fags.
And you're missing the point entirely, did it ever occur to you that blizz doesn't want to split their players into those who play old games and their new ones? WoW isn't diablo 2 or wc3, it's an online game that changes over time with patches and content
The other things are still not feasible since it's a waste of resources and unsustainable in the long-term.
Here's a food analogy lmao, restaurants that cater to a bunch of old geriatric cunts before the young vibrant customers is doomed. Don't bother replying
>>334950852
>this ship is sinking
>better poke some more holes in it
Blizzard cares, and is instead putting sticky tape over the holes in the boat in the hopes that it will slow the leaking.
>>334950510
Great argument
>>334946678
Not him but i saw the video. Is everything he says wrong? Are classes really that unviable? I played vanilla rogue but I was retarded so i didnt realise classes were imbalanced etc. back then
>>334939861
Reminder: Homer has been in a coma since the show's third season. That's way everyone stopped aging even though time is still moving forward.
>>334951217
Wrong.
The people playing current WoW are casuals and people clinging desperately to a decaying husk because it's all they know.
>>334951249
>It isn't
>Blizzard Will No Longer Report World of Warcraft Subscriber Numbers
>"There are other metrics that are better indicators of the overall Blizzard business performance."
Just fucking stop playing WoW. If you let the game die, either they will actually work on it to make it better, or it will deservedly die a death thast's been coming for years.
>>334941271
Blizzard listens to their customers sometimes.
>>334946394
Shamans could tank instances and were one of the best raid healers around. Also, Earthbind totem for Razorgore the Guildbreaker.
Druids were around for shitty heals and innervate and sometimes off-tanking.
Rogue damage has always been about auto attack, that's why fast weapons were important.
Hunters were for kiting dragonkin around.
Vanilla WoW sucked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBPHRlgczmk
>muh gear checks
Vanilla raids were harder, whatever way you want to slice it.
>>334951291
The ship isn't sinking, it's sunk. If Blizzard are going to do anything, they can throw the people who still give a fuck about WoW a bone instead of telling them what they really want.
I mean just fuck Blizzard. I feel less insulted by Konami for the pachinko shit, at least they admit to be cunts. Blizzard does nothing but lie and pretend they still give a fuck.
>>334950864
Unless you for some reason managed to make it to Jedi Master. Then you could become a force ghost but not interact with the world. Keep in mind that someone seeing you using the force or a light saber, it would alert every bounty hunter player who would hunt you down and kill you for the reward.
>>334951105
t. clueless nostcuck that just regurgitates what he hears from a circlejerk
I'll remember that when I try to LFR my way through mythic HFC and mythic dungeons
>>334949347
The thing is, the new stuff now comes once a year and can be done in 2 weeks, and you can't really play older content, (not counting soloing when you 1-shot everything).
>>334951678
That sounds fun as fuck.
It feels like the very people who say wow is dead and want it to just die also want to keep it alive in zombie form
>>334945574
How the fuck does someone like that get into Blizz Tech Support? Oh right... They're SJW.
Sell your Battle.net account and move on with your lives. There's no redemption for Blizzard, they are very, very content with being complete chodes and making abysmal games aimed at toddlers.
>>334951836
Becha he doesn't know Kern helped develop the game that he's doing tech support for.
>>334951381
You think casuals can't be neckbeards? Explain yourself then.
>>334951670
>my uninformed opinion is law
>>334951095
Thanks m8, should be fun once we all get there.
>>334951105
This. The world in WoW is fucking dead, it plays like a shitty singleplayer game with combat that's not engaging enough, and a story that's so shallow that I don't even want to play it as such.
Why play wow for anything but a fun 3d platformer, and that's only if you do mythic raids and ignore all the try hard autists in vent or mumble or whatever the fuck?
blizzard shows their company mindset now. They're jack of all trades and masters of none, they show 0 confidence as a developer despite refusing to ever admit their faults, yet they pander to every fucking popular video game trope in an attempt to catch some addictive normie fanbase.
>>334944586
Vanilla raid mechanics are an absolute joke
the reason nobody did them was because you had to get 40 niggers in one spot for several hours to get anything done
>>334948857
Nostalgia is why they are so highly rated
>>334951593
5 minutes in and all he's talked about is gear checks and farming, where do I skip to to get proved wrong?
>>334952026
MVPs aren't tech support. They're not paid. They're just forum knights with recognition.
>>334952084
>The stitched together abomination wearing WoW's skin is the same as WoW still going strong, guys!
Toppem Kek.
>>334952026
He also probably doesn't know Kern was Project lead for WoW and also developed Diablo 2 and Starcraft. Blizz should try to brush up on their own company's fucking history sometime.
They should just do what TOR did. It would make them far more money and keep players since you can technically play the whole game for free.
