What are the chances that I when I'll insert my PS4 disc of the The Witcher 3 in my new PS4K that the game will run at maxed out settings (instead of medium as on the PS4) and at 1080p60fps instead of 30 fps?
100%
This isn't hard. Sony isn't tryin to "get" us. They aren't trying to make our ps4's obsolete. They just want to give us OPTIONS.
>>334896192
>>334896237
So what is it, 100 or 0 percent?
>>334896192
They are making it obsolete. Take bloodborne When I first placed it I need to take a break after about 30mins of playing it since central yharnam ran at such low FPS it made my dizzy. After a few weeks I got use to it and could go back without any problems.
So here where im getting at... parts of bloodborne were to much for the PS4 to handle. Let say the PS4 4K is out. Then devs are making games for it they have this in mind.... So what if it goes below 30FPS if they don't like it they can just upgrade to a PS4 4K if it botehrs them so much.
>>334896484
The one with actual reason
>>334896827
No. Sony promised that there will be zero exclusives for the NEO. They promised there must be 2 versions.
Like I said, it's just an option
>>334895965
Maxed setting 1080p 60fps?
Probably not much, especially if the devs choose to not go back and patch it.
At its current ps4 settings but at a highr framerate, sure.
the ps4k isn't a high end pc, its not gonna get you ultra settings at 60fps.
But games with their current look hitting 60? Sure, maybe.
Something like Uncharted which runs at 1080p 30fps for singleplayer and 900p 60fps for multiplayer might be able to reach 60fps across the board.
Thats what I would hope anyway, that devs would focus on getting to have higher framerates before they go back and add any graphical enhancments they can instead of the other way around.
the same chance as you being smart enough to build a PC
>>334895965
That will only happen if the devs patch the game to make it happen otherwise it will play the same.
>>334896484
Zero because consoles won't do AA.
Sony, the hardware manufacturer that's actually doing well is sabotaging itself for no particular reason and making devs' jobs more difficult just for a tiny "upgraded" console that will only output 4k blu ray.
>>334895965
You know you can't have it both ways. Games may run on both but they can only be optimized for one. So say all games are optimized for psk. Everyone buys that hardware. But now still the rule is, it has to work on both. So ps4k hardware never fully utilized.
>>334896994
You are dumb if you think this is true.
Sony won't regulate shit.
We will be getting PS4k games that are 1080p/30fps while the PS4 version is either unplayable or ~720p/~30fps.
If Sony came out and said that the each console had to meet a standard, say;
>PS4 - 1080p/30fps Minimum
>PS4k - 4k/30fps or 1080p/60fps
Then it would be some what okay as the only difference between versions is framerate and/or resolution.
It won't happen though, as Developers are still aiming games at 30fps so they can push out more graphics which means the PS4k will be dead from the get go and the PS4 obsolete.
>>334897607
You're dumb if you think Sony would do that. ITS AN OPTION. Period.
You'd think these PC fanboys would be happy about this, constantly boasting about graphics options. Now we have the same options.
>>334897926
They're not the same senpai. Unless devs are going to go back and patch their games so they run at higher resolutions/frame rates on the PS4k, you aren't going to get a performance boost. There isn't going to be an options menu. The settings will stay at what the game is coded to on the disc.
I don't understand how people can be this obtuse
>>334898163
ITS AN OPTION YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER!
>>334896192
>shilling this fucking hard
You are the reason gaming is pure fucking shit now. Faggots like you will lick up the smegma off sony's cock because you cant get enough "playing for the team".
>>334895965
0%
only games coming from this october and since then will have this option
I'd buy a PS4k as long as it is out before FFXV and/or there is some sort of exchange deal, where I give them my PS4 and $100 and they give me a new PS4k.
If they expect me to upgrade at full price, they are laughing.
>devs can patch in support for constant 60fps 4K just like for current ps4 (example: ass creed black fags)
>pcucks will never ever experience constant 60fps @4K
>ontop of that, pcucks will experience never ever to the 2nd power when Bloodborne gets patched to 60fps @4K
it feels good to see years and years of pcucks shitposting hard ruining the site to where 4chan is now tumblr/reddit 2.0 only for now to see them get btfo hard on the one they they mainly shitposted about
get fucked pcancer
>>334898163
Yes it is. We don't need a graphics menu because it will be pre-optimized FOR us. The purpose of the ps4 NEO is to give us options. We can experience our games 1080p 30fps (which is fine) or 4K 60fps (luxury).
>>334898916
>implying it will ever be able to do 4k 60fps.
>>334898916
>>334898881
>4k 60fps
Have you seen the specs?
Thing could barely do 4k 15fps.
1080p@60 is way more likely.
>>334898986
That's the point of the upgrade
>>334899065
You're forgetting about optimization
>>334899079
The upgrade won't be able to make it run at 4k 60fps. There isn't a single card on the market right now that can do that.
>>334897370
>making devs' jobs more difficult
This is a ridiculous argument. Devs already have to test for hundreds of hardware combinations for PC releases, how is increasing testing targets from 1 to 2 with the PS4 in any way difficult? Phone app developers already have to test hundreds of different Android phones to ensure they all work - pic related. Console developers genuinely complaining about this are being gigantic prima-donnas.
>>334899298
I'm sure Sony will be able to figure it out
>>334899298
not that anon, and I agree that the only 4k games on ps4k will be 2d indieshit, but the ps4k is using polaris.
The ps4k has 36 compute units on the gpu, amd don't actually have an architecture that can fit that many on one die, so it's pretty much confirmed to be polaris.
>>334899271
No, I'm not.
PS3 games couldn't even do it.
Maybe in a couple of years, but nothing right now can.
But lets just assume it could.
Developers push graphics, not performance.
We are going to be getting 30fps games for years to come, because it is the easiest way to push graphics while being playable.
>>334895965
0% The slowdowns already present will probably be lessened however.
>>334897370
>same cpu but faster
>same gpu but faster
>same memory but faster
most of their optimisations will work natively on the ps4k, pretty much all they will need to do is push up a few graphics settings and maybe up the resoultion/framerate
Honestly I'm guessing all games released prior to the PS4.5 will get little to no benefit since they were specifically designed for the old hardware
New games will probably just get either better framerate or slightly better graphics but not both at the same time
It's only being made to run VR games at a framerate that isn't nauseating
The new hardware isn't even on par with 970, so we will either get 60fps or 1080p, but not both.
>>334899683
>yfw Last of Us Reremastered for the PS4k
>>334899387
Anon, I'm not the guy you're talking to. But it's not possible, have you looked at the specs on the thing? I feel like you don't understand technology and are just buying into marketing.
>>334899813
don't reply to bait
I dont understand how so many people óverlook the fact that this most likely a response to the NX. They can't just have Nintendo be the newest console on the block with the latest tech because Nintendo doesn't regulate normal life cycles of their hardware.
The option for a better PS4 is just going to exist, in fact it has to coinciding with the NX. Nintendo doesn't even fucking make games that need the hardware, raising the standards in the middle of a generation is PC-tier levels of retardation, its not healthy competition, its destructive and it'll only alienate non-AAA studios even more. I want more games not a fracture market and developers were just beginning to settle in with the current spec.
post yfw The Last Guardian is announced PS4k exclusive
>>334900223
>>334898881
Are you high. 4K 60fps with that hardware. You'd get better results soldering a display port onto a George Foreman grill.
>>334900196
it's not an answer to nx, we don't even know nx specs, just that some nobody claim the devkit was more powerful than the ps4. Devkits are usually more powerful than the production models to handle the increased loads of unoptimized in development projects.
This is solely to make vr in it's minimalist form possible so they can cash in on it before the fad dies out.
>>334900196
Ideally, there would be no PS5.
The Playstation 4 would just get rebranded into a platform and instead of generations of consoles, we just got upgrades to the platform every 4 years.
That would 'IMO' be the best thing, as 4 years is a good midpoint for an upgrade and I wouldn't lose access to my games every new console like I did between PS2>PS3>PS4.
Only real problem with that is Sony needs to regulate it and set standards like >>334897607
mentioned.
If they are trying to make their system more like a PC with varying levels are hardware and output, they need to have something in place to stop developers from just releasing for the top bracket and screwing everyone else.
>pcucks trying to damage control "b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but that technology cant do 60 4k!!!
Oh right we all should listen to modern pcucks, the retards that still fucking buy 2GB of VRAM on GPUs that advertise as 4GB of RAM and still continues to get nevidia and amd fuck them in the ass with shitty modern and overpriced gpus that havent made any worthwhile technological advancement in a couple of years, yeah im sure these kids know technology
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE
>>334895965
I don't know why people give a shit about the 4k.
How about just making it backwards compatible with PS3/PS2/PS1 disks, with a 2TB hard drive? No matter what they do, they'll never compete with high end PCs anyway, at least not for more than 6 months.
>>334900539
Everything about this consoles existence points to it being an immediate response to a threat. You don't just release a new hardware iteration in the middle of a generation, tasking developers with more work while alienating others and simultaneously your own 40mil userbase on the current model, I mean just for what? VR compatability? Fuck off, its compatible with the current model full stop.
Sony has it's eyes and ears on Nintendo HQ and they're not going to left them get the edge by entering the market late after calculating the competition for 4 years like a sly fucking rats they are. It doesn't make any sense for Sony to do what they're doing now other than them responding to the NX.
>>334900740
>That would 'IMO' be the best thing, as 4 years is a good midpoint for an upgrade and I wouldn't lose access to my games every new console like I did between PS2>PS3>PS4.
Very good point, all the evidence corroborates this idea too, that it will most likely be a minor hardware revision not a fully realized newer console installment.
>>334900898
I think you are giving far too much credit to the execs in both companies. Look at the idiotic things both companies have done, do you really think they are intelligent enough to pull something off like that?
>>334900898
you can't just slap something like that together, especially since the ps4k is using a polaris gpu. It will have been years in the making.
Remember at E3 2013 when sony said they're moving away from games as a product and starting the transition to games as a service, this is just the continuation of that. It makes sense too.
>release new iteration every 3-4 years
>support the last 'X' iterations (like apple's iphone support)
>power users (sheep) will buy the new one every time
>normal users will likely stick with one for 2-3 iterations
>don't want to upgrade when support ends? Playstation now.
Either way the long term goal is probably to have a small box or even just a pc application for Playstation now, the internet will be fast enough for it to work for most people in the next decade or two.
>>334901371
Some interesting points there, I still have a strange feeling this is just going to be a slim of sorts and not a significant hardware upgrade but we'll see I guess.
As long as its current line up eventually materializes I'll be happy because that is a lot of fucking games and they look good, playing on the newer hardware is not something I'm even considering right now and I think many people who already own the console are the same way. This seems like it would resonate with potential buyers far more than anyone else.
>>334900845
You know consoles use the same components as PCs, right? Apart from they have APUs instead of the CPU and GPU separate.
>>334901704
DELETE THIS!
>>334901671
well apparently sony are officially sending out documentation to all devs for the new ps4 model and devkits are following soon, digital foundry and giantbomb both said they have confirmation from multiple sources in the industry.
It's all but confirmed, it would be one hell of a ruse cruise if not true.
specs are:
>same 8-core cpu overclocked to 2.1Ghz (1.3x faster)
>36 compute unit GPU at 911Mhz (2.3x faster)
>24% faster memory and 512Mb more available to devs
the GPU upgrade is huge
>>334901704
Consoles use custom architecture
ps4 has an extra bus so the gpu can address the cpu's L2 cache directly, and even write to it. Literally impossible on pc because there isn't a low enough latency interconnect.
Xbone has the esRAM
Both have unified memory
It's like comparing a petrol and diesel engine, the same but quite different
>>334895965
The witcher is released before 4K. The developer needs to update the game.
Do people in this thread really believe that buying a better PS4 will magically make the old games run at higher resolution and max AA? Only thing that would be better is FPS.
>>334902780
And they mocking PC user, but are to dumb to understand the basic of technology and software.
>>334896994
>it's just an option
an option to spend more money. An option to upgrade the machine you bought a year ago. Consoles are so better tehn pc, amiright?
>>334895965
>Disk read error
>>334896994
I never said exclusive. What will happen is that they will make the game run poor like bloodborne and make it run on low FPS the experiance will always be smoother on the PS4K. They will push the PS4 passed so far its limit it will run like dog shit. They will tell you you can still enjoy all your games without a ps4k but when the games come out and they are running at 20fps. You will know that I mean.
>>334903262
Haha, you are dumb.
>>334903262
This is what people said about New 3DS before it came out
>>334904530
And Hyrule Warriors runs like shit on anything but a New 3DS.
>>334895965
None hundred percent, Anon.
>>334904680
about time. only took a year after release
>>334895965
Zero, the operating system will probably set special flags for old games that downclock system performance to match stock PS4 specs so there aren't any compatibility problems, espeically with games where the logic is frame based.
>>334895965
None. The PS4K isn't going to make Ultra Quality textures,etc just appear on the disc.
So it's official. The PS4 had NO GAMES. PS4K has games.
>>334906962
what games?
>>334907290
The Last of Us Remastered Again
>>334896827
>He still thinks that this revision of the Jaguar chip with a slightly higher CPU clock speed and a few additional GPU stream cores would make significant difference in performance boost, divide the PS4 userbase and make exclusive PS4k games
You're overestimating them Anon, also no one is forcing you too buy them.
So where are the "reliable" sources that the PS4k is real? Seems a lot like the NX leaks.
>>334895965
>ps4 remastered definitive edition
