Dark Souls Lore Thread
>dark souls
>lore
pick one and only one
Why are there no maps in these games? No, seriously, why?
Another dank souls thread, just what this place needed
>>334889687
Fuck off Vaati we wont work for you
>>334889812
YOU PAY THIS MUCH
>>334889812
make your own, you big baby.
>>334889687
>being a jedi and a sith
Man star wars lore is getting out of hand.
Fuck off Vaati.
>>334889687
What the fuck was his problem?
So these are what turn into the Pilgrim Butterflies flying around Lothric Castle? It looks like they're all praying toward where the mass of them are near Dragonslayer Armor.
Could Nameless King beat Gwyn in a fight?
>>334890439
Not with these upgrades.
With these upgrades, you didn't stand a chance.
>>334890358
Is the Dragonslayer Armor the Armor that Gwyns firstborn wore before being kicked out by daddy?
I saw some anon say it was, and the description of the soul says its wearer disappeared.
Also the fact its right beside the statue of the Sunlight covenant kinda hints at it.
Ornstien gone looking for Nameless King, who likely trained him pre dark souls due to similer movesets and weapons. They probably wore similer armor too
>>334890358
Do we ever get any explanation for the first boss and those random high wall enemies exploding into evil looking blob dragons?
>>334890756
Some anon hypothesized that the world is reverting back to it's natural state because the sun is dying, thus the abyss is taking over, and since the abyss corrupts like that...
>>334889687
Pontiff Sulyvahn is the most badass motherfucker ever. He created a god eater, made an army of mad dog people, and had two fucking cool swords. And he did all of this while still being technically human.
>>334890756
The fire is burning extremely low and the Abyss is slowly creeping in.
Thats what the black stuff they turn into is, creatures of the abyss
>>334890756
>>334890872
I was just about to ask this. Reminded me of that snake summon move from Bloodborne, and the monsters usually have some type of snake or serpent appendage.
>>334890030
>he thinks lightsabers and/or lightsaber colors correlate to sith/Jedi
So is grievous a Jedi? Was Kyle Katarn a Jedi during the events of outcast?
>>334890618
It seems likely, given that it follows the same design as Ornsteins armor. It could be that the Dragonslayer Knights wore similar golden suits, and we know it's not Ornsteins armor due to lack of lion face and that you can find his armor later. So it's likely that whoever owned the armor was of a higher rank than Ornie.
>>334889812
So they can sell guides with them, fuccbroniccus.
>>334890358
Does anybody know what type of damage the Pilgrim Butterflies do during the Dragonslayer Armor fight?
>>334891096
>in the movie canon it does
You kyber crystal changes colour based on personality.
Grevious wasnt even force sensitive. Thsoe lightsabers never belonged to him
>>334890618
>before being kicked out by daddy
>Sunlight Blade in DaS1
>When the eldest son was stripped of his
deific status, he left this on his father's
coffin, perhaps as a final farewell.
>his father's coffin
Gwyn may have had nothing to do with banishing the firstborn.
>>334891096
>Kyle Katarn
Anon, I'm so sorry to be the one to tell you this..He's no longer canon and won't be making an appearance in any future Star Wars content
Can I get those swords?
>>334891323
Not in the clone wars animated series and not in star wars the force unleashed. Not in SWTOR either, I think
>>334891248
I just dont get why he used a Greataxe instead of a Swordspear
>>334891527
Isn't it a halberd?
>>334889812
muh exploration
tbqh dark souls 3 in particular is just hallways with the occasional divergent path to a shortcut. you don't need a map for that shit.
>>334891595
>>334891248
>Higher rank than Captain of Gwyn's four knights
>>334891323
>>334891323
>Grevious wasn't even a force sensitive
Exactly my point you tard. The color is determined by the crystal, the crystal doesn't change cause you're good or bad.
Or do you think purple is the "bad motherfucker" personality color with red being evil green good etc
>>334891668
Huh, that is strange. Could just be another Dragonslayer's armor then, it's definitely not another Ornstein.
>>334891749
Well what is essentially a prince would be, yeah.
>>334891760
In the movie canon a Kyber crystal changes colours when you choose it. Not when the saber changes hands
Grevious stole literally every lightsaber he has. He would not have made his own.
>>334891323
No, I don't know where the hell you heard that but there are multiple instances of Jedi and Sith using other lightsabers they didn't build and they maintain their color.
so was there a war in lothric? seems the red/blue knights are enemies of the big knights.
>>334891968
Exactly you fucking mong
>http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Covetous+Gold+Serpent+Ring
>A gold ring depicting a snake that could have been, but never was, a dragon. Fallen foes are more likely to drop items.
>Snakes are known as creatures of great avarice, devouring prey even larger than themselves by swallowing them whole.
The jew serpents are some ancient derivative of dragons and got super buttmad that gwyn ended their era, and now try to jew people around into restarting the age of dragons.
For survey purpose.
http://strawpoll.me/7422806/
>>334892095
how does the age of dark restart the age of dragons? I think those fuckin things are just fucking around for the sake of fucking around, with no end goal
>>334892095
How could a tiny ring-sized serpent be a dragon anyways. That would be the bitchest manlet dragon even if it did make it
>>334892143
>reaper
You mean scythe?
So did anything about Aldia and his bullshit ever get referenced?
Who is The Soul of Cinder?
>>334892274
Prince lothric was tutored by a scholar... Its not implied in any way that it could be aldia
>>334892291
Solaire.
Is the Stormdrake during the first phase of the Nameless King boss fight really Ornstein?
>>334892274
DS2 isn't canon
There's meme armors from it in the game but the story didn't happen
>>334892268
Yeah, scythes, they are categorized as reaper in game.
>>334892274
NOTHING from Dark Souls 2 is directly referenced. Everything is very vague on purpose, to the point where the Fume UGS only states it's from a traitor from long ago, Drangleic Armour is called Drang Armour & such. Never a direct reference
>>334892386
Yes it is. Are you retarded?
The entire reason the flame is withering
>>334892170
The Firekeeper in the end of flame ending talks about seeing small flames in the dark eventually, makes me think that it's a true reset to the cycle since the flame is so fucking weak now after being kindled so much and then it goes back to a similar state as the Dark Souls 1s intro. Dunno if that'd bring back all those dragons though.
>>334892291
The previous dude who linked the flame. Then you become the next soul of cinder after the ending. Unless you don't.
>>334892484
Wrong
>>334892291
The living(if you can call it that) embodiment of every single person who has ever linked the first flame.
>>334892095
when are the twinblade weapons anon
>>334892425
Funny because Drang armour isnt even the Drangleic set. Its the Llelwyn set, which still lets the shield be called that.
>>334892395
Well that's silly
>>334892569
>Wrong
>He doesnt know the lore
Why do you people even talk?
>kill Havel in Burg
>ring found on body
>everything somehow turns up miles away
boy I hope someone got fired for that blunder.
Also, how did anyone find Great Hollow in the first place?
>>334892170
I'm not sure, it would kind of explain the disagreements that frampt and kaathe have though. One things that the age of fire can somehow lead to the age of dragons, the other thinks that dark will do it.
I don't know if either know what they are doing.
I think it's also worth noting that hydras have something to do with dragons.
>kill kalameet in the past in what is an empty darkroot basin
>darkroot basin now has a hydra in it in the present
>ash lake, area known for dragons and even has another dragon in it
>another hydra
>hydras have some similarities to serpents.
Although that last bit might be pushing it. Maybe it works like how giants turn into trees when they die.
>>334892274
Well you can completely eliminate hollowing once you get it. The MC or Aldia may have found a way to remove it.
Events aren't referenced directly because it takes place on another continent.
>>334892782
>everything somehow turns up miles away
that cause it was never actually havel
>>334892673
It didn't happen, SOTFS is a non canon spinoff
>>334892816
How are you still undead but not hollow is a question I have. Unless the darksign is its own thing
>>334892386
>As far as lore goes, Miyazaki was silent. When I asked whether the game was set in Lordran, Drangleic, or another kingdom altogether, Miyazaki simply said, “Dark Souls 3 shares the same world with Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls 2.”
http://m.ca.ign.com/articles/2015/06/16/e3-2015-dark-souls-3-is-everything-i-want-in-a-dark-souls-sequel
This game literally takes lore from everything, including Demon's Souls and convolutes it to a mess.
>>334892782
>how did anyone find Great Hollow in the first place?
Either official strategy guides or by slapping every single wall in every area until they found invisible walls.
If I'm remembering the right area, that is. It's been a while.
>>334892903
an unkindled and a hollow are different.
>>334892782
Strategy guides or autism. The same way people found out about the windmill and the invisible bridge in Anor Londo.
>>334892181
>depicting
are you actually retarded?
>the chaos flame was an uncontrollable corrupting force in DS1
>it came back in DS2 and had to be contained by an entire nation so it wouldn't spread
>the chaos flame is responsible for nothing more than a reskin boss and awful dungeon in DS3
>>334892957
>windmill
c'mon anon, they even put messages there for you. You can't be that stupid
>>334892935
What did it take from Demon's?I gave up on the series and the company after the disaster that was DaSII.
>>334892957
>invisible bridge in Anor Londo
In DaS AL? Provide more details.
>>334893038
Fuck you I read over that
why do they re-use slimes like 4 fucking times
why are there so many shitty "slightly larger than a human" enemies with bizarrely fast and strong attacks
Im having fun but fuck this lazy game
>>334893171
Chaos flame is fading away anon.
Even still I heard somebody say that Pontiff Sulyvahn looked at the chaos flame as a child and that's why he's batshit crazy. Sulyvahn is responsible for like half of the shit that occurs in the game so
>>334893358
>manlet problems
>>334893436
Not my fault i'm too short to see the entire screen
Are those giant floating nervous systems around lothric supposed to represent dragons coming back into existence?
>>334893346
Stormruler
>>334891939
So why was Anakin's blue after all the child murder?
>>334893231
The community or the developers? Because I saw messages day 1, and the original game didn't have phantoms that pointed towards the windmill with a torch.
>>334889812
>>334889687
whats with the mobs that have glowing red eyes
>>334890030
>star wars lore
Some dude posted a webm earlier of him wrecking an invader named Revan with lightning and shit. Was funny.
>>334893559
if you read the guy said its the color of your mood when you make it, the blue was pre child killin
red was after, apply logic
>>334893559
Becauze he made it before he killed the children? Are you autistic?
One of you anons might know. When is the absolute best time for me to play the bloodborne dlc?
If anyone was wondering why the Abyss Watchers were all attacking each other it's because at least one of them was infected with the Abyss.
One of the Watchers who stands up during the first phase of the fight has red glowing eyes. And the other Watchers attack him and vice versa. Manus and the other creatures of the Abyss in Dark Souls 1 have red glowing eyes as well. Other creatures who have red glowing eyes are the transforming oil slick assholes in the High Wall of Lothric and they're super fucked up which the Abyss tends to do.
Then the biggest reason that leads me to believe Farron Keep being infected with the Abyss is the wondering Darkwraiths. And Hawkwood has said that Abyss Watchers would destroy entire cities if there was even a whiff of the Abyss in them so it can definitely lead to the Watchers going all Warhammer 40k Inquisition on each other.
Wait, is he supposed to be the Darklurker or something?
>>334894185
I like the super optimistic idea that the Darkwraiths came to finish off the legion, just the two of them.
Like they've got a snowball's chance in hell of managing that.
>>334892484
>>334892673
Are you beyond retarded, this is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever seen in a Dark Souls thread including that guy who thought that Gwyndolin magically became a girl because he was raised that way
The flame is dwindling because of entropy, it just happens over time, that's why it continually needs to be kindled
I don't say this much but for you I really mean it, kill yourself, your abject stupidity and the fact that you obviously smugly think you are right makes me hate you on a cellular level, end your life so the world can be a better place
>>334894106
Probably just before the last boss.
It's pretty hard IIRC.
Also learning all about what Gherman did before your final confrontation makes the most sense from a story Perspektive
>>334894185
That definitely makes sense, but then again red eyes usually just means that the enemy is just stronger,note the one blue knight in lothric, the few hollows in the village.
Maybe the legion is just having a fight club
>>334893617
>Boletaria
You tried.
So I beat the game earlier and went with the ending "End Of Fire"
What does that mean happened?
From what I understood before it happened, I was going to put an end to the cycle of repetition with lords of fire etc, but sometime in the future the world would have its own little fires. As if each person would eventually generate their own flame, or own soul to brighten the world.
Or did I essentially just do a "fuck you bad ending" shit.
ALSO!!
Why wasnt this game the second Dark Souls game, didnt the second game confirm you didnt light the fire in 1, and now this confirms you lit the fire in 1, So 3 confirms that there are multiple lords who need to sit on their throne and burn?
>>334893617
So the only countrys to survive for an extended period of time is Catarina, Carim and I guess Vinheim, whereas the rest are destroyed.?
>dark souls equivalent of a Mongolian horde that comes and goes through the ages
>>334894451
That seems kind of an odd idea. What was the reasoning for that?
>>334894543
Well yeah it serves three purposes. First, it's a callback to Demons Souls. Second, It denotes it is a more powerful variant of that enemy. Third, The Abyss while corrupting in its nature, also powers things up but that comes at the price of losing your sense of self.
>>334891771
Yeah just like it was in Dark Souls 2.
>>334894585
Gwyn's age of fire ends, and the next age begins. Eventually after many many years, a new age of fire will come.
>>334891096
I wouldn't know, Star Wars is for children.
>>334894585
Endings of 1&2 don't matter. If you lit the fire Dark souls 3 takes place. If you didn't some other Undead will come along and do your job for you.
The only thing that might matter is that DaS 2 PC has the anti hollowing crown with would allow him to live forever while retaining their sanity.
>>334893617
>Jugo
WE
>>334894968
WUZ
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MEME
Faggot.
>>334889687
>Dark Souls Fanfic Thread
Fixed
>>334895019
Thanks friend :^)
>>334892782
The flow of time is distorted.
>>334894784
Something about the Legion being weakened and them being natural enemies or some such. They do fight all the way to the entrance, so they're there for some reason or other.
>>334895036
These threads are much more grounded than other lore threads I've been to. Usually people going too far off script and spouting theories without evidence get told to fuck off.
>>334890618
No, it's Ornstein's. That's why it looks like him.
It's just been molten down and reforged at some point, which is why there's a Greataxe and Greatshield that used to be part of it.
>>334890756
I think the better question is why are there only three of them in the starting area and they never show up again.
>>334895149
Yeah I can see that. Probably coincides with the Abyss infection. Probably sent the infection themselves to weaken them.
>>334889687
>>334895258
Now THIS is fanfiction
>>334893171
The whole point is that everything is fading away and dying. Granted, it's been like that since the first dark souls, but 3 seems to be "for realz dis time guyss!!"
>>334889687
So here's my theory for dark souls 3. We already know that Manus has split into shards and we know that the primordial serpents have been using manus from the start, at the very least they got oolacile to wake him up, at most manus is also the pygmy and the primordial serpents got him to commit the first sin, stealing the dark soul/breaking it up to create humanity.
Now moving onto DS3. We know from DS2, that each shard of manus went to a kingdom and either inadvertently or on purpose tried to cause their downfall.
Looking at lothric we have the mad king Oceiros and the princes. It seems a little fishy that both Oceiros and the young prince are crazy. Its possible that the mother was a shard of manus. If not the direct mother at least the caregiver. She could have directly convinced the eldest son to go fight this demon king, knowing he would die. She then convinces Oceiros to use his blood through some arcane ritual in the grand archives to bring back his eldest son, knowing he would stumble upon the seath worship and go crazy. She may have poisoned the youngest son. Causing his illness and eventual, you guessed it, madness.
Also Yuria mentions Kaathe if you kill her, also there is a statue of a primordial serpent in the grand archives. The serpents have been playing the long game, slowly corrupting and destroying kingdoms. This continues with the profaned capital and Irithyll.
Why do people keep saying the Firelink Shrine is an illusion, kinda like the hub in Bloodborne
One if his sentences implies it, but other than that nothing and even at the end when he's gone you can still warp back there and everyone is there
>>334894585
Usurper of fire is the bad guy ending. You take the flame and Stalin-ize Lothric
>>334895164
Ornstiens is found after Nameless King
Ornstiens has a distinct lion face, and even says Ornstien left to find the Nameless King.
>>334889687
>mrw I finally check my bank account
>>334896183
Firelink Shrine is the only area on the map that isn't kiln that isn't connected geographically to the other areas
You find Dark Firelink Shrine in untended graves, with Andre's hammer, which could imply it's the real one, especially considering it isn't likely they're two different shrines as the thrones read the same names and have all the same details
And finally, the solar eclipse never occurs in firelink, even though you see it throughout the world AND in kiln
>>334896120
>Princes
I thought it was implied the elder prince was born in the first place from some ritual, then the younger prince was somehow born naturally and got cursed when he killed the fucked up older prince.
>>334896801
But you don't see it in Archdragon Peak
>>334896120
>Looking at lothric we have the mad king Oceiros and the princes. It seems a little fishy that both Oceiros and the young prince are crazy. Its possible that the mother was a shard of manus. If not the direct mother at least the caregiver. She could have directly convinced the eldest son to go fight this demon king, knowing he would die. She then convinces Oceiros to use his blood through some arcane ritual in the grand archives to bring back his eldest son, knowing he would stumble upon the seath worship and go crazy. She may have poisoned the youngest son. Causing his illness and eventual, you guessed it, madness.
Ocerios went crazy because his dragon waifu took his child. He then found seaths research and began trying to lure his dragon waifu back by trying to grow a dragon dick.
Lothric is one of the few Kindled that actually kept their sanity. Lorian had never died, he slayed the Fire demon, which is why his blade is charred. They left because they didnt want to link the flame.
>>334889754
Are you claiming dark souls have no lore? Please do so we can all laugh at you.
Humanity becomes dragons after going full Hollow and usurping the fire will lead to another age of everlasting dragons.
This is why hollows become those strange trees and become those skeletal flying nervous systems. They're unable to properly form because the age of fire is still going on.
This is why dragons also breathe fire.
>>334896931
Then please disregard my comment on that
Either that or archdragon peak is an illusion too
It's illusions all the way down man
>>334896936
This. Lothric and Lorian were ready to link the flame till a certain someone told them not to
>>334896801
The first Firelink is clearly real since it has other characters coming and going from it all the time without them ever saying anything weird about it. I don't know about the other Firelinks, probably something about time being convoluted and one of the Firelinks being a master that the other two copy from whenever Unkindled need to raise and force the LoC to do their jobs.
>>334897149
King Manlet outright says he created nu-firelink after the abyss ated the first one
>>334897104
Archdragon Peak can't be an illusion, you can see it from Irithyll Dungeon
>>334897216
When does he say this?
>>334897227i know, I was kidding
>>334897262
He doesnt.
>>334897109
Who? And is oceiros the king of lothrix?
Why do hollows turn into trees? It seems really pronounced in DaS3 and I've yet to see any hint of an explanation for it.
>>334897045
please go home vaati
>>334897346
You'll see when you get to Lothric Castle
>>334893617
where is Lordran in all of this? Is Lordran just all of pic related, now broken up into many small sad nations of undead? Do the undead vote for the version of trump with the most souls?
>>334897381
I already beat the game, I still don't have the slightest idea what its significance is.
>>334896120
I don't really understand serpents. Dark Souls 1 made them seem more important than they actually are I guess.
>>334897443
Look at the sky. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be some kind of Rapture thing or if they're trying to turn into some kind of creature.
>>334897415
Lordran is the old name for Lothric, like Drang used to be Drangleic and Courland used to be Thourland
>>334897109
I also dont know who told them. I thought Lothric just got scared.
>>334897415Irithyll is literally Anor Londo. You should be able to figure out where the game takes place.
>>334897521
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>>334897521
Those were hollows flying around? Creepy. And even if they were, I don't get why hollows turn into trees and apparently flying cardiovascular systems.
Even giants can go hollow and when they do and turn into trees, there's no explanation as to why. Plus they never turn into flying spooky things even after being trees for a really long time.
Bearer of the dark sign.
Let your true power shine.
>>334897672
>everlasting archtrees
They have to grow from something, right?
>>334897678
Deep dark fantasy
>>334896542
Arch-dragon Peak doesn't exist. It's entirely within the Ashen One's mind.
>Ornstiens has a distinct lion face
Once again, the description on the axe and shield say they're forged out of the armor, explaining the differences.
Dragonslayer Armor is the Ornstein fight, there's been one in every game.
>>334897262
When you have the firekeeper eyes
>>334897805
This, I think anything with a corpus turns Into an arch tree
>>334897835
>Arch-dragon Peak doesn't exist.
Can't you see it off in the distance?
So if the Deep (sea) is just a darker version of dark (humanity), is it the true form of the next step of the natural cycle that keeps being unnaturally postponed (age of dark)?
Is it equally as unnatural as extending the age of fire so much, or is it just a more simplistic super Abyss? The Abyss and dark aren't inherently evil or bad, it just threatens the age of fire status quo because it naturally follows after fire, but the Deep was implied to be much more sinister and alluded to cosmic lovecraftian horror and nightmares.
Also what's the theory on the writhing infection we see in THE CHAMP, the wyverns, and certain hollows? An overflow of humanity linked to Abyss corruption, or is it related to the Deep?
>>334898085
Yes, and Hawkwood visits it as well
>>334896384
Fucking good, Lothric was a hell hole.
>>334897835
>Archdragon peak doesnt exist
So how can we have Ornstiens armor?
You can do ADP before Dragonslayer Armor. You can even find Ornstiens Spear after the Nameless King.
Youre actually retarded if you think a Shield/Greataxe armor is Ornstien
You can even see Archdragon Peak from the Dungeons
>>334898085
You see a place and build an imaginary copy in your mind. That's why there's a bunch of Knights on the cliff that bleed when you attack them - they're still alive, imagining themselves on Archdragon peak.
>>334898162
>hawkwood stole my twinkling body
What a dick.
>>334889687
all firekeepers are into anal
it's in the lore
>>334898215
>So how can we have Ornstiens armor?
How can we have anything from Firelink when it's just something that Ludleth made up?
>You can do ADP before Dragonslayer Armor
Why should that matter?
>Youre actually retarded if you think a Shield/Greataxe armor is Ornstien
It's not Ornstein, but it is his armor. It looks like him, we've had fights with him in every other game in the series and any discrepancies are explained away by the soul weapons saying they were forged from it.
>>334898419
Well, she does tell you to reach into her darkness...
>>334898305
You can always kill him for them both
He's also fairly good practice against farron GS users as well
The whole reason why Archdragon peak does not change to the eclipse is probably a simple fudge regarding the game engine/setting of the zone.
The entire point of it is leading up to you ringing the bell, changing the zone's atmosphere and skybox to the storm arena. Pretty sure they either technically couldn't account for versions with the eclipse or were aware, but it wouldn't fit the atmosphere of the boss fights.
>Seathe has antennae/face tentacles, fin-like ears, and scaleless, iridescent skin
>Yorksha has antennae/face tentacles, fin-like ears, and scaleless, iridescent skin
>Yorksha calls Gwyn her father and Gwynevere her sister
hmm hmm hmm
>>334898652
She's just repeating what Gwyndolin said.
>>334898652
What are religious titles?
>>334898652
Hmmmm
>>334898501
>It's not Ornstein, but it is his armor. It looks like him, we've had fights with him in every other game in the series and any discrepancies are explained away by the soul weapons saying they were forged from it.
It is the armor of A not THE dragon slayer. It belonged to some knight inspired/maybe trained by Ornstein, but he most likely fucked off searching for the Firstborn centuries before Lothric became a thing.
>>334898501
>Just something Ludleth made up
Source for that? Sounds pretty headcanon to me as all these NPCs Ludleth wouldnt know.
So we know for sure that Aldrich partially consumed Gwendolyn (fuck you Aldrich give me proper Darkmoon), and may have consumed Priscilla and Nito. What else do we know about Aldrich, the church built around him, and his relation to Sulyvhan?
hope demons souls questions are ok...
so, whats the deal with the old one, is it an everlasting tree? dragon? both?? demon dragon tree...
and is there any way the DeS story can lead into DaS despite being a 'spiritual sucessor'? ie which ending is canon, how did first flame appear, etc.
also how come I can't invade or summon but thats not lore related.
>>334899318
We know he was originally a cleric who spent time studying "the deep", whatever that is, then he started eating people, then he became a giant blob, and then he was "made to become a lord of cinder", whatever that means.
>>334889812
Dark Souls 2 has a map.:^)
>>334898652
My preferred theory is the firstborn is Priscilla's father or lover (and thus father of Yorshka), which explains why he betrayed for the dragons.
>>334899167
>It belonged to some knight inspired/maybe trained by Ornstein
You know, I think making up a new character to explain away how the obvious and simple explanation isn't true is a bit silly.
>>334899347
FROM has outright said the two games are completely unconnected but that doesn't stop people from spinning theories
>>334900006
>different movement, weapon, and armor
>it's gotta be Ornstein bro his name is dragonslayer>>334900076
>>334899318
He dreamed about Priscilla while eating Gwendolyn so she wasn't killed (by Aldritch at least).
>>334899808
The Deep is the Abyss.
>>334900076
Bloodborne isn't a Souls game either, nor connected, and that doesn't stop people from saying otherwise.
>>334900159
>different movement, weapon, and armor
Yes, which the description on his weapon and shield explain.
>>334892782
One guy got lucky and left a message there for the rest of us. That's all it takes.
>>334900006
>obvious and simple explanation
>it must be Ornstein's armor that doesn't look like him in a place where he has no connection to, while we find his armor in a place where it makes sense
>>334900286
>it must be Ornstein's armor that doesn't look like him
Except it does look him. It looks a lot like him, to the point where it's obvious your first impression is supposed to be "Oh, that's Ornstein, but different."
>>334894106
Endgame. Right before last boss or middle of Mensis.
It's pretty fucking hard. Probably the toughest Souls' content to date.
>>334900076
I like to imagine.
>>334895258
like this, i can see DeS being the happenings in the intro cutscenes of DaS because, you know, you -are- fighting dragons and stuff.
DaS protag (you) can easily be the same character, free from the nexus...but you're still dead...
>>334900235
The item descriptions only say they once formed the Dragonslayer armorm IE, the boss whose fucking corpse you take them from. This does nothing to explain.
>>334900407
Does it have red hair? I'm not seeing any red hair. No red hair, no Ornstein
>>334894185
I just assumed they fought one another because they were about to go hollow, but the will of the blood of the wolf kept them slightly sane. So they've all spent centuries in there just fighting one another senselessly until a more worthy opponent shows up.
Honestly, I thought the red eyes were just a game convenience so you could tell the possible helpers from the ones just trying to kill you.
>>334900808
>Does it have red hair?
Yes it does. How the fuck did you miss that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbDYVoH12OU
>The item descriptions only say they once formed the Dragonslayer armorm IE, the boss whose fucking corpse you take them from. This does nothing to explain.
Except you don't take it from it's corpse, you give it to Ludleth to transubstantiate. If the description of every boss weapon was how YOU made it, they'd all say the same damn thing.
>>334900407
The only similiaity is the Golden scaled armor. Probably given to many of Gwyns Dragonslayers.
He missing Ornstiens shoulder pads, his lion face, Spear. The helmets are even different, Dragonslayers armor has tusks coming out the mouth.
Dragonslayer armor you pick up behind Nameless King even specifically says Ornstien went looking for Nameless King. The Leo Ring says Ornstien trained under Gwyns Firstborn (who is obviously the nameless king)
The Spear you pick up behind nameless king says Ornstien by name.
Smoughs armor says Ornstien left to go find the nameless king.
Its more likely that armor belonged to Gwyns firstborn, considering its location.
>>334900809
This was my assumption as well. Either they went insane, or purposeful turned on each other to get rid of the abyss corruption
>>334893373
i never get what sylyvahn actually did.
is there a good article if i wanna read up on his deeds somewhere?
>>334893171
"Demons were born of the Chaos Flame, but the flame has not survived". The Profaned Flame is something different, considering it's still around.
>>334901051
Several items DO say exactly that, X created from X. Like the great cursewood spear.
>>334901142
He kept Aldrich prisoner in the Cathedral and put anyone he didnt like in there, namely Gywndolin, because he knew Aldrich feasted on people
Why does the protagonist have to marry Anri to usurp the flame? Why does Anri have to die for this to happen? What's with the sword you place in her corpse?
>>334901051
Pretty lame tuft of greying hair bro, nothing like Ornsteins luscious plume of treseme locks.
>>334901142
I'll list some stuff off of the top of my head:
>captured Gwyndolin and fed him to Aldrich
>turned the Darkmoons into an Aldrich worship cult
>Invaded Anor Londo and claimed it as his own
>Mutated the Dancer and Vort with special rings
>Sent out Evangelists to Undead Settlement to farm hollows (the bodybags hanging from various ceilings)
>>334901297
Its a magic ritual. I assume she has to die so she can't protest, and the game doesn't run on hentai logic so you can't just fuck her into compliance.
>>334901058
>Probably given to many of Gwyns Dragonslayers.
Gough doesn't have it.
>He missing Ornstiens shoulder pads, his lion face, Spear. The helmets are even different, Dragonslayers armor has tusks coming out the mouth.
The boss soul weapons explicitly say they've been forged from it, easily explaining away any discrepancies. Even then, every design helmet you picked has a corresponding element in the Dragonslayer armor.
>Dragonslayer armor you pick up behind Nameless King even specifically says Ornstien went looking for Nameless King.
Everything in Archdragon peak is fake. It's something you make up in your mind, just like everything in Firelink is something Ludleth made up. The Dragonslayer Armor you pick up is just that, while the one which exists in the real world is the boss.
>Smoughs armor says Ornstien left to go find the nameless king.
I'm not saying the item descriptions are fake or wrong, but they items themselves absolutely are. They're just something you create.
>>334901349
>>334901248
jesus, thanks guys.
sulyvahn seems like an asshole.
>>334901380
I always thought you drew her strength using the sword, giving you the 3 extra dark sigils.
>>334901380
But I thought she was willing?
Where does this "Archdragon Peak is fake" theory come from? Is it just the fact it looks like you fall asleep in the cutscene before you're teleported there?
>>334901380
I'm pretty sure it's just to take her Dark Sigils
>>334897227
The fact that such a place exists isn't an illusion, but it's certainly questionable whether or not you ever actually went there. Your character just meditates, then goes unconscious. The dragon's roar could be interpreted as being your ride to Archdragon Peak, but it could just as easily be something you hear in your mind as your consciousness is taken there. The lack of an eclipse even backs that up.
Pontiff Sulyvahn is basically the main villain of the game, isn't he?
>>334901297
Anri is of royal blood.
In order to rule you must be related to royal blood.
Anri wants to link the flame and so would be your enemy and die regardless.
>>334901505
he did nothing wrong
>>334901349
>Sent out Evangelists to Undead Settlement to farm hollows (the bodybags hanging from various ceilings)
Why did he do this again? Just to make Aldrich more powerful with a daily meal of Hollow-Os?
Also, he gave pontiff eyes to the frostknights as well, and it fucked them up like the dancer.Dancer is best girl.
>>334901662
There is no 'villain' but he did cause basically everything to happen.
Lore was an afterthought. The creators think of situations, enemies, and bosses first. The lore is for convenience's sake.
>>334901496
Gough wasnt a dragonslayer. Gough was just one of Gwyns 4 knights. Artorias also wasnt a dragonslayer
Show me proof anything in this game is made up. I asked earlier and you decided not to respond.
The boss item descriptions are as follows
>Melted iron greataxe that once formed part of the Dragonslayer Armour. Thickly imbued with the power of lightning. Use skill to draw upon the techniques used to slay the archdragons.
>Melted iron shield that once formed part of the Dragonslayer Armour. The shield offers high protection to lightning, which the Dragonslayer commanded as his own, and its Skill has faint echoes of the Dragonslayer's own fighting style.
Neither explain why the boss himself uses a Greataxe and Shield and not a Spear, just that they were formed from the soul. Or why the bosses helmet looks nothing like Ornstiens.
For the player to be able to wear a fake peice of armor would mean everything is in the players mind, not Ludleths, which makes everything fake, including Dragonslayers Armor boss. But there is not actual source to say anything is fake so you cant be spouting headcanon.
>>334901851
thanks for the input champ
>>334901803
Enh, he is probably the most evil character in a Souls game, it's fair to call him a villain.
He's basically Aldia, but worse, and you never get to hear his side of the story.
>>334901879
>Greatbow used by Hawkeye Gough, of Lord Gwyn's Four Knights, for dragon slaying.
>Gough wasn't a dragon slayer
>>334897227
But the dragon stones say that people meditate to enter archdragon peak.
It exists, but it's all in your head I think.
>>334901907
The story is convoluted and gay.
Does the Aldrich comic come out tomorrow?
>>334898721
If it were just a religious title, she would always refer to him as "Father Gwyn" or "Our/The Father". Instead, she at times uses the word "father" on its own, which I've never encountered with religious titles unless actually speaking to said Father.
>>334892782
I found the great hollow on my first playthrough without any guides or messages.
The first wall seemed obvious as fuck. I only slapped the second one for shits and giggles and never expected a illusory wall though.
>>334901960
There was an order of Dragon Slayers serving under Oreo which is what that other anon is probably referring to.
>>334901960
I was wrong, I mixed up Ciarin and Gough. I never put much hours into Dark souls lore.
But even Gough had gold plated armor similer to Ornstiens and Dragonslayer armor.
so let me get this straight
All the lords of cinder are individuals whom have previously linked the fire, and become ash right
And then some big fuck off dues ex bell wakes them up because they need to do it again soon or something
But they're like naw fuck yall and 4/5 of them go off to do their own thing
Then at some point later on, another ringading happens that wakes YOU up (because you are "ashen" as well) and you go sort them out
See I didnt think that the lords were previous linkers of the flame, but the little midget on the throne in Firelink outright mentions linking the flame previously, so i'm wondering if thats what it means to be a lord of cinder?
>>334898721
First use is definitely as a title. Both Father and Sister get capitalised.
In dialogue after that it's all lowercase, well father is anyway. I haven't caught any mention of sister since the first time. I still have to max covenant though.
>>334902176
you were woken up at about the same time as Aldrich, so I assume you awoke at the same time the other lords of cinder did.
The lords of Cinder save Ludleth went mad for one reason or another, and Ashen ones are basically a last ditch effort by the fucked up cycle to light the flame.
>>334894451
>Like they've got a snowball's chance in hell of managing that
First time I got in that area the dick wraiths raped everyone to death and they still had full health after that.
Fear the dickwraith.
>>334902176
>All the lords of cinder are individuals whom have previously linked the fire, and become ash right
Only Ludleth actually linked the flame. The other 4 were destined to but refused
>>334902176
Lord of Cinder is a title, I don't think it necessarily implies that you did anything. Lothric definitely didn't link the flame.
>>334902283
Ok ok, so that leads on to what my actual question is
If Aldrich at some point linked the fire, was he still a giant fucking sea of black muck when he linked the fire?? Or did that particular transformation come AFTER
>>334901879
>Gough wasnt a dragonslayer
Greatbow used by Hawkeye Gough, of Lord
Gwyn's Four Knights, for dragon slaying.
This bow is larger than those used by
the famed Dragonslayers. Only their leader,
Gough, had the strength to handle it.
>Show me proof anything in this game is made up. I asked earlier and you decided not to respond.
I don't have the text, but it's when you talk to Ludleth with the eyes. He says he willed a new Firelink into existence.
>Neither explain why the boss himself uses a Greataxe and Shield and not a Spear, just that they were formed from the soul.
They say explicitly they were part of the dragonslayer armor. The Dragonslayer Armor uses them in battle. Every boss soul weapon that's used by the boss doesn't bother describing how YOU created the boss soul weapon, only ones where the connection to the boss isn't immediately obvious do that.
>Or why the bosses helmet looks nothing like Ornstiens.
It looks a lot like Ornstein's. But it's explained by having pieces of it being cut out and the armor being repaired.
>For the player to be able to wear a fake peice of armor would mean everything is in the players mind, not Ludleths
What the fuck are you talking about? You're creating objects with your mind. That's what Ludleth did, and that's what you do in Arch-dragon peak.
>>334893671
It was blue during his fight with Obi-wan
So was Gwyndolin still alive at the start of the game?
Or had Aldrich eaten him already and then was in his coffin later on?
>>334902410
he didnt fucking make a new lightsaber to fight obi
like the guy said, the color is what alignment youi are when you make it
>>334902343
Seems to me like he was a less absurd pile of slime. He was known as the Man Eater previously, and was made a Lord by power alone. Seems like only recently that he became the God Eater.
>>334902309
Nah, that Lothric refused to link it is what's special about him. It's why he's not in the opening cutscene, it's why Emma asks you to get him to be a lord, and it's why his cinders are his head instead of a burnt skull like the others.
>>334902416
Aldrich had been munching trap ass for a long time.
>>334902416
Aldritch "returned home" after being awakened, persumably to Irithyl where he encountered gwnydolin
Holy shit, the fuck is this thing? Do I have to fight it later? This is like, Armageddon looking shit right here.
>>334902309
the giant probably did which burned his city of SJWs into the ground
>>334902513
His home is the Cathedral of the Deep though.
>>334902527
>Do I have to fight it later?
Indirectly.
>>334902527
You know all those dead Pilgrims around the place?
>>334902491
>was made a Lord by power alone.
ohhh right, I completely forgot about that line. So chances are he didnt actually link the fire, he's just so powerful that he was designated as one by default
Does that then mean that the title "Lord of Cinder" mearly means that the person is powerful/has a powerful soul? And that it doesn't necessarily indicate a link with the Flame?
>>334902416
Perhaps Pontiff Shithead had already smacked Gwyndolin's ass, and just turned him and the rest of Anor Londo over to his Lord when he woke up.
>>334902580
They haven't moved or changed so what about them?
>>334902604Beautiful butterflies.
>>334902548
You find a doll in his empty coffin with the description:
>Small silverwork doll depicting a young squire. In the legendary old city of Irithyll situated in the Boreal Valley, the Pontiff Sulyvahn gave this doll to valued subjects, so that they might use it to cross the barrier when they return home. Listen carefully, and you can hear it say, "Wherever you go, the moon still sets in Irithyll. Wherever you may be, Irithyll is your home."
I just wish we got to see the bleeding sun more. I dunno why, but the thought of the world dying to the sight of a sun literally bleeding down on it is fucking cool.
>>334902393
This guy has to be baiting or retarded. Ludleth never says anything about creating things with his mind.
>>334902176
Correct. All the Lord's of cinder are previous linkers of the flame, willingly or no. As with Gwynn this burned them down to hollow coals. Loric and his brother were supposed to link the flame next but refused, and the dying of the flame caused the summoning Bell to be rung. This raised the hollowed remains of the Lord's from their grave, as well as anyone previously sacrificed and burned up by the flame - IE, you. I suspect given your lowely stature the player character, the ashen champion, was a bonfire sacrifice - your bones were used as kindling somewhere for a bonfire.
>>334902416
The timescale would suggest he is alive and the pontiff betrays Gwyndolin and feeds him to Aldrich when he awakens, but there's no way to determine how much time passes between the bell first ringing and you making your way into London, especially with the dimensions and causality all fucked up.
>>334902673
I wish it progressed a little further before going into the Kiln.
