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Dark Souls Lore Thread
>dark souls
>lore
pick one and only one
Why are there no maps in these games? No, seriously, why?
Another dank souls thread, just what this place needed
>>334889687
Fuck off Vaati we wont work for you
>>334889812
YOU PAY THIS MUCH
>>334889812
make your own, you big baby.
>>334889687
>being a jedi and a sith
Man star wars lore is getting out of hand.
Fuck off Vaati.
>>334889687
What the fuck was his problem?
So these are what turn into the Pilgrim Butterflies flying around Lothric Castle? It looks like they're all praying toward where the mass of them are near Dragonslayer Armor.
Could Nameless King beat Gwyn in a fight?
>>334890439
Not with these upgrades.
With these upgrades, you didn't stand a chance.
>>334890358
Is the Dragonslayer Armor the Armor that Gwyns firstborn wore before being kicked out by daddy?
I saw some anon say it was, and the description of the soul says its wearer disappeared.
Also the fact its right beside the statue of the Sunlight covenant kinda hints at it.
Ornstien gone looking for Nameless King, who likely trained him pre dark souls due to similer movesets and weapons. They probably wore similer armor too
>>334890358
Do we ever get any explanation for the first boss and those random high wall enemies exploding into evil looking blob dragons?
>>334890756
Some anon hypothesized that the world is reverting back to it's natural state because the sun is dying, thus the abyss is taking over, and since the abyss corrupts like that...
>>334889687
Pontiff Sulyvahn is the most badass motherfucker ever. He created a god eater, made an army of mad dog people, and had two fucking cool swords. And he did all of this while still being technically human.
>>334890756
The fire is burning extremely low and the Abyss is slowly creeping in.
Thats what the black stuff they turn into is, creatures of the abyss
>>334890756
>>334890872
I was just about to ask this. Reminded me of that snake summon move from Bloodborne, and the monsters usually have some type of snake or serpent appendage.
>>334890030
>he thinks lightsabers and/or lightsaber colors correlate to sith/Jedi
So is grievous a Jedi? Was Kyle Katarn a Jedi during the events of outcast?
>>334890618
It seems likely, given that it follows the same design as Ornsteins armor. It could be that the Dragonslayer Knights wore similar golden suits, and we know it's not Ornsteins armor due to lack of lion face and that you can find his armor later. So it's likely that whoever owned the armor was of a higher rank than Ornie.
>>334889812
So they can sell guides with them, fuccbroniccus.
>>334890358
Does anybody know what type of damage the Pilgrim Butterflies do during the Dragonslayer Armor fight?
>>334891096
>in the movie canon it does
You kyber crystal changes colour based on personality.
Grevious wasnt even force sensitive. Thsoe lightsabers never belonged to him
>>334890618
>before being kicked out by daddy
>Sunlight Blade in DaS1
>When the eldest son was stripped of his
deific status, he left this on his father's
coffin, perhaps as a final farewell.
>his father's coffin
Gwyn may have had nothing to do with banishing the firstborn.
>>334891096
>Kyle Katarn
Anon, I'm so sorry to be the one to tell you this..He's no longer canon and won't be making an appearance in any future Star Wars content
Can I get those swords?
>>334891323
Not in the clone wars animated series and not in star wars the force unleashed. Not in SWTOR either, I think
>>334891248
I just dont get why he used a Greataxe instead of a Swordspear
>>334891527
Isn't it a halberd?
>>334889812
muh exploration
tbqh dark souls 3 in particular is just hallways with the occasional divergent path to a shortcut. you don't need a map for that shit.
>>334891248
>Higher rank than Captain of Gwyn's four knights
>>334891323
>>334891323
>Grevious wasn't even a force sensitive
Exactly my point you tard. The color is determined by the crystal, the crystal doesn't change cause you're good or bad.
Or do you think purple is the "bad motherfucker" personality color with red being evil green good etc
>>334891668
Huh, that is strange. Could just be another Dragonslayer's armor then, it's definitely not another Ornstein.
>>334891749
Well what is essentially a prince would be, yeah.
>>334891760
In the movie canon a Kyber crystal changes colours when you choose it. Not when the saber changes hands
Grevious stole literally every lightsaber he has. He would not have made his own.
>>334891323
No, I don't know where the hell you heard that but there are multiple instances of Jedi and Sith using other lightsabers they didn't build and they maintain their color.
so was there a war in lothric? seems the red/blue knights are enemies of the big knights.
>>334891968
Exactly you fucking mong
>http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Covetous+Gold+Serpent+Ring
>A gold ring depicting a snake that could have been, but never was, a dragon. Fallen foes are more likely to drop items.
>Snakes are known as creatures of great avarice, devouring prey even larger than themselves by swallowing them whole.
The jew serpents are some ancient derivative of dragons and got super buttmad that gwyn ended their era, and now try to jew people around into restarting the age of dragons.
For survey purpose.
http://strawpoll.me/7422806/
>>334892095
how does the age of dark restart the age of dragons? I think those fuckin things are just fucking around for the sake of fucking around, with no end goal
>>334892095
How could a tiny ring-sized serpent be a dragon anyways. That would be the bitchest manlet dragon even if it did make it
>>334892143
>reaper
You mean scythe?
So did anything about Aldia and his bullshit ever get referenced?
Who is The Soul of Cinder?
>>334892274
Prince lothric was tutored by a scholar... Its not implied in any way that it could be aldia
>>334892291
Solaire.
Is the Stormdrake during the first phase of the Nameless King boss fight really Ornstein?
>>334892274
DS2 isn't canon
There's meme armors from it in the game but the story didn't happen
>>334892268
Yeah, scythes, they are categorized as reaper in game.
>>334892274
NOTHING from Dark Souls 2 is directly referenced. Everything is very vague on purpose, to the point where the Fume UGS only states it's from a traitor from long ago, Drangleic Armour is called Drang Armour & such. Never a direct reference
>>334892386
Yes it is. Are you retarded?
The entire reason the flame is withering
>>334892170
The Firekeeper in the end of flame ending talks about seeing small flames in the dark eventually, makes me think that it's a true reset to the cycle since the flame is so fucking weak now after being kindled so much and then it goes back to a similar state as the Dark Souls 1s intro. Dunno if that'd bring back all those dragons though.
>>334892291
The previous dude who linked the flame. Then you become the next soul of cinder after the ending. Unless you don't.
>>334892484
Wrong
>>334892291
The living(if you can call it that) embodiment of every single person who has ever linked the first flame.
>>334892095
when are the twinblade weapons anon
>>334892425
Funny because Drang armour isnt even the Drangleic set. Its the Llelwyn set, which still lets the shield be called that.
>>334892395
Well that's silly
>>334892569
>Wrong
>He doesnt know the lore
Why do you people even talk?
>kill Havel in Burg
>ring found on body
>everything somehow turns up miles away
boy I hope someone got fired for that blunder.
Also, how did anyone find Great Hollow in the first place?
>>334892170
I'm not sure, it would kind of explain the disagreements that frampt and kaathe have though. One things that the age of fire can somehow lead to the age of dragons, the other thinks that dark will do it.
I don't know if either know what they are doing.
I think it's also worth noting that hydras have something to do with dragons.
>kill kalameet in the past in what is an empty darkroot basin
>darkroot basin now has a hydra in it in the present
>ash lake, area known for dragons and even has another dragon in it
>another hydra
>hydras have some similarities to serpents.
Although that last bit might be pushing it. Maybe it works like how giants turn into trees when they die.
>>334892274
Well you can completely eliminate hollowing once you get it. The MC or Aldia may have found a way to remove it.
Events aren't referenced directly because it takes place on another continent.
>>334892782
>everything somehow turns up miles away
that cause it was never actually havel
>>334892673
It didn't happen, SOTFS is a non canon spinoff
>>334892816
How are you still undead but not hollow is a question I have. Unless the darksign is its own thing
>>334892386
>As far as lore goes, Miyazaki was silent. When I asked whether the game was set in Lordran, Drangleic, or another kingdom altogether, Miyazaki simply said, “Dark Souls 3 shares the same world with Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls 2.”
http://m.ca.ign.com/articles/2015/06/16/e3-2015-dark-souls-3-is-everything-i-want-in-a-dark-souls-sequel
This game literally takes lore from everything, including Demon's Souls and convolutes it to a mess.
>>334892782
>how did anyone find Great Hollow in the first place?
Either official strategy guides or by slapping every single wall in every area until they found invisible walls.
If I'm remembering the right area, that is. It's been a while.
>>334892903
an unkindled and a hollow are different.
>>334892782
Strategy guides or autism. The same way people found out about the windmill and the invisible bridge in Anor Londo.
>>334892181
>depicting
are you actually retarded?
>the chaos flame was an uncontrollable corrupting force in DS1
>it came back in DS2 and had to be contained by an entire nation so it wouldn't spread
>the chaos flame is responsible for nothing more than a reskin boss and awful dungeon in DS3
>>334892957
>windmill
c'mon anon, they even put messages there for you. You can't be that stupid
>>334892935
What did it take from Demon's?I gave up on the series and the company after the disaster that was DaSII.
>>334892957
>invisible bridge in Anor Londo
In DaS AL? Provide more details.
>>334893038
Fuck you I read over that
why do they re-use slimes like 4 fucking times
why are there so many shitty "slightly larger than a human" enemies with bizarrely fast and strong attacks
Im having fun but fuck this lazy game
>>334893171
Chaos flame is fading away anon.
Even still I heard somebody say that Pontiff Sulyvahn looked at the chaos flame as a child and that's why he's batshit crazy. Sulyvahn is responsible for like half of the shit that occurs in the game so
>>334893358
>manlet problems
>>334893436
Not my fault i'm too short to see the entire screen
Are those giant floating nervous systems around lothric supposed to represent dragons coming back into existence?
>>334893346
Stormruler
>>334891939
So why was Anakin's blue after all the child murder?
>>334893231
The community or the developers? Because I saw messages day 1, and the original game didn't have phantoms that pointed towards the windmill with a torch.
>>334889812
>>334889687
whats with the mobs that have glowing red eyes
>>334890030
>star wars lore
Some dude posted a webm earlier of him wrecking an invader named Revan with lightning and shit. Was funny.
>>334893559
if you read the guy said its the color of your mood when you make it, the blue was pre child killin
red was after, apply logic
>>334893559
Becauze he made it before he killed the children? Are you autistic?
One of you anons might know. When is the absolute best time for me to play the bloodborne dlc?
If anyone was wondering why the Abyss Watchers were all attacking each other it's because at least one of them was infected with the Abyss.
One of the Watchers who stands up during the first phase of the fight has red glowing eyes. And the other Watchers attack him and vice versa. Manus and the other creatures of the Abyss in Dark Souls 1 have red glowing eyes as well. Other creatures who have red glowing eyes are the transforming oil slick assholes in the High Wall of Lothric and they're super fucked up which the Abyss tends to do.
Then the biggest reason that leads me to believe Farron Keep being infected with the Abyss is the wondering Darkwraiths. And Hawkwood has said that Abyss Watchers would destroy entire cities if there was even a whiff of the Abyss in them so it can definitely lead to the Watchers going all Warhammer 40k Inquisition on each other.
Wait, is he supposed to be the Darklurker or something?
>>334894185
I like the super optimistic idea that the Darkwraiths came to finish off the legion, just the two of them.
Like they've got a snowball's chance in hell of managing that.
>>334892484
>>334892673
Are you beyond retarded, this is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever seen in a Dark Souls thread including that guy who thought that Gwyndolin magically became a girl because he was raised that way
The flame is dwindling because of entropy, it just happens over time, that's why it continually needs to be kindled
I don't say this much but for you I really mean it, kill yourself, your abject stupidity and the fact that you obviously smugly think you are right makes me hate you on a cellular level, end your life so the world can be a better place
>>334894106
Probably just before the last boss.
It's pretty hard IIRC.
Also learning all about what Gherman did before your final confrontation makes the most sense from a story Perspektive
>>334894185
That definitely makes sense, but then again red eyes usually just means that the enemy is just stronger,note the one blue knight in lothric, the few hollows in the village.
Maybe the legion is just having a fight club
>>334893617
>Boletaria
You tried.
So I beat the game earlier and went with the ending "End Of Fire"
What does that mean happened?
From what I understood before it happened, I was going to put an end to the cycle of repetition with lords of fire etc, but sometime in the future the world would have its own little fires. As if each person would eventually generate their own flame, or own soul to brighten the world.
Or did I essentially just do a "fuck you bad ending" shit.
ALSO!!
Why wasnt this game the second Dark Souls game, didnt the second game confirm you didnt light the fire in 1, and now this confirms you lit the fire in 1, So 3 confirms that there are multiple lords who need to sit on their throne and burn?
>>334893617
So the only countrys to survive for an extended period of time is Catarina, Carim and I guess Vinheim, whereas the rest are destroyed.?
>dark souls equivalent of a Mongolian horde that comes and goes through the ages
>>334894451
That seems kind of an odd idea. What was the reasoning for that?
>>334894543
Well yeah it serves three purposes. First, it's a callback to Demons Souls. Second, It denotes it is a more powerful variant of that enemy. Third, The Abyss while corrupting in its nature, also powers things up but that comes at the price of losing your sense of self.
>>334891771
Yeah just like it was in Dark Souls 2.
>>334894585
Gwyn's age of fire ends, and the next age begins. Eventually after many many years, a new age of fire will come.
>>334891096
I wouldn't know, Star Wars is for children.
>>334894585
Endings of 1&2 don't matter. If you lit the fire Dark souls 3 takes place. If you didn't some other Undead will come along and do your job for you.
The only thing that might matter is that DaS 2 PC has the anti hollowing crown with would allow him to live forever while retaining their sanity.
>>334893617
>Jugo
WE
>>334894968
WUZ
A
MEME
Faggot.
>>334889687
>Dark Souls Fanfic Thread
Fixed
>>334895019
Thanks friend :^)
>>334892782
The flow of time is distorted.
>>334894784
Something about the Legion being weakened and them being natural enemies or some such. They do fight all the way to the entrance, so they're there for some reason or other.
>>334895036
These threads are much more grounded than other lore threads I've been to. Usually people going too far off script and spouting theories without evidence get told to fuck off.
>>334890618
No, it's Ornstein's. That's why it looks like him.
It's just been molten down and reforged at some point, which is why there's a Greataxe and Greatshield that used to be part of it.
>>334890756
I think the better question is why are there only three of them in the starting area and they never show up again.
>>334895149
Yeah I can see that. Probably coincides with the Abyss infection. Probably sent the infection themselves to weaken them.
>>334895258
Now THIS is fanfiction
>>334893171
The whole point is that everything is fading away and dying. Granted, it's been like that since the first dark souls, but 3 seems to be "for realz dis time guyss!!"
>>334889687
So here's my theory for dark souls 3. We already know that Manus has split into shards and we know that the primordial serpents have been using manus from the start, at the very least they got oolacile to wake him up, at most manus is also the pygmy and the primordial serpents got him to commit the first sin, stealing the dark soul/breaking it up to create humanity.
Now moving onto DS3. We know from DS2, that each shard of manus went to a kingdom and either inadvertently or on purpose tried to cause their downfall.
Looking at lothric we have the mad king Oceiros and the princes. It seems a little fishy that both Oceiros and the young prince are crazy. Its possible that the mother was a shard of manus. If not the direct mother at least the caregiver. She could have directly convinced the eldest son to go fight this demon king, knowing he would die. She then convinces Oceiros to use his blood through some arcane ritual in the grand archives to bring back his eldest son, knowing he would stumble upon the seath worship and go crazy. She may have poisoned the youngest son. Causing his illness and eventual, you guessed it, madness.
Also Yuria mentions Kaathe if you kill her, also there is a statue of a primordial serpent in the grand archives. The serpents have been playing the long game, slowly corrupting and destroying kingdoms. This continues with the profaned capital and Irithyll.
Why do people keep saying the Firelink Shrine is an illusion, kinda like the hub in Bloodborne
One if his sentences implies it, but other than that nothing and even at the end when he's gone you can still warp back there and everyone is there
>>334894585
Usurper of fire is the bad guy ending. You take the flame and Stalin-ize Lothric
>>334895164
Ornstiens is found after Nameless King
Ornstiens has a distinct lion face, and even says Ornstien left to find the Nameless King.
>>334889687
>mrw I finally check my bank account
>>334896183
Firelink Shrine is the only area on the map that isn't kiln that isn't connected geographically to the other areas
You find Dark Firelink Shrine in untended graves, with Andre's hammer, which could imply it's the real one, especially considering it isn't likely they're two different shrines as the thrones read the same names and have all the same details
And finally, the solar eclipse never occurs in firelink, even though you see it throughout the world AND in kiln
>>334896120
>Princes
I thought it was implied the elder prince was born in the first place from some ritual, then the younger prince was somehow born naturally and got cursed when he killed the fucked up older prince.
>>334896801
But you don't see it in Archdragon Peak
>>334896120
>Looking at lothric we have the mad king Oceiros and the princes. It seems a little fishy that both Oceiros and the young prince are crazy. Its possible that the mother was a shard of manus. If not the direct mother at least the caregiver. She could have directly convinced the eldest son to go fight this demon king, knowing he would die. She then convinces Oceiros to use his blood through some arcane ritual in the grand archives to bring back his eldest son, knowing he would stumble upon the seath worship and go crazy. She may have poisoned the youngest son. Causing his illness and eventual, you guessed it, madness.
Ocerios went crazy because his dragon waifu took his child. He then found seaths research and began trying to lure his dragon waifu back by trying to grow a dragon dick.
Lothric is one of the few Kindled that actually kept their sanity. Lorian had never died, he slayed the Fire demon, which is why his blade is charred. They left because they didnt want to link the flame.
>>334889754
Are you claiming dark souls have no lore? Please do so we can all laugh at you.
Humanity becomes dragons after going full Hollow and usurping the fire will lead to another age of everlasting dragons.
This is why hollows become those strange trees and become those skeletal flying nervous systems. They're unable to properly form because the age of fire is still going on.
This is why dragons also breathe fire.
>>334896931
Then please disregard my comment on that
Either that or archdragon peak is an illusion too
It's illusions all the way down man
>>334896936
This. Lothric and Lorian were ready to link the flame till a certain someone told them not to
>>334896801
The first Firelink is clearly real since it has other characters coming and going from it all the time without them ever saying anything weird about it. I don't know about the other Firelinks, probably something about time being convoluted and one of the Firelinks being a master that the other two copy from whenever Unkindled need to raise and force the LoC to do their jobs.
>>334897149
King Manlet outright says he created nu-firelink after the abyss ated the first one
>>334897104
Archdragon Peak can't be an illusion, you can see it from Irithyll Dungeon
>>334897216
When does he say this?
>>334897227i know, I was kidding
>>334897262
He doesnt.
>>334897109
Who? And is oceiros the king of lothrix?
Why do hollows turn into trees? It seems really pronounced in DaS3 and I've yet to see any hint of an explanation for it.
>>334897045
please go home vaati
>>334897346
You'll see when you get to Lothric Castle
>>334893617
where is Lordran in all of this? Is Lordran just all of pic related, now broken up into many small sad nations of undead? Do the undead vote for the version of trump with the most souls?
>>334897381
I already beat the game, I still don't have the slightest idea what its significance is.
>>334896120
I don't really understand serpents. Dark Souls 1 made them seem more important than they actually are I guess.
>>334897443
Look at the sky. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be some kind of Rapture thing or if they're trying to turn into some kind of creature.
>>334897415
Lordran is the old name for Lothric, like Drang used to be Drangleic and Courland used to be Thourland
>>334897109
I also dont know who told them. I thought Lothric just got scared.
>>334897415Irithyll is literally Anor Londo. You should be able to figure out where the game takes place.
>>334897521
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>>334897521
Those were hollows flying around? Creepy. And even if they were, I don't get why hollows turn into trees and apparently flying cardiovascular systems.
Even giants can go hollow and when they do and turn into trees, there's no explanation as to why. Plus they never turn into flying spooky things even after being trees for a really long time.
Bearer of the dark sign.
Let your true power shine.
>>334897672
>everlasting archtrees
They have to grow from something, right?
>>334897678
Deep dark fantasy
>>334896542
Arch-dragon Peak doesn't exist. It's entirely within the Ashen One's mind.
>Ornstiens has a distinct lion face
Once again, the description on the axe and shield say they're forged out of the armor, explaining the differences.
Dragonslayer Armor is the Ornstein fight, there's been one in every game.
>>334897262
When you have the firekeeper eyes
>>334897805
This, I think anything with a corpus turns Into an arch tree
>>334897835
>Arch-dragon Peak doesn't exist.
Can't you see it off in the distance?
So if the Deep (sea) is just a darker version of dark (humanity), is it the true form of the next step of the natural cycle that keeps being unnaturally postponed (age of dark)?
Is it equally as unnatural as extending the age of fire so much, or is it just a more simplistic super Abyss? The Abyss and dark aren't inherently evil or bad, it just threatens the age of fire status quo because it naturally follows after fire, but the Deep was implied to be much more sinister and alluded to cosmic lovecraftian horror and nightmares.
Also what's the theory on the writhing infection we see in THE CHAMP, the wyverns, and certain hollows? An overflow of humanity linked to Abyss corruption, or is it related to the Deep?
>>334898085
Yes, and Hawkwood visits it as well
>>334896384
Fucking good, Lothric was a hell hole.
>>334897835
>Archdragon peak doesnt exist
So how can we have Ornstiens armor?
You can do ADP before Dragonslayer Armor. You can even find Ornstiens Spear after the Nameless King.
Youre actually retarded if you think a Shield/Greataxe armor is Ornstien
You can even see Archdragon Peak from the Dungeons
>>334898085
You see a place and build an imaginary copy in your mind. That's why there's a bunch of Knights on the cliff that bleed when you attack them - they're still alive, imagining themselves on Archdragon peak.
>>334898162
>hawkwood stole my twinkling body
What a dick.
>>334889687
all firekeepers are into anal
it's in the lore
>>334898215
>So how can we have Ornstiens armor?
How can we have anything from Firelink when it's just something that Ludleth made up?
>You can do ADP before Dragonslayer Armor
Why should that matter?
>Youre actually retarded if you think a Shield/Greataxe armor is Ornstien
It's not Ornstein, but it is his armor. It looks like him, we've had fights with him in every other game in the series and any discrepancies are explained away by the soul weapons saying they were forged from it.
>>334898419
Well, she does tell you to reach into her darkness...
>>334898305
You can always kill him for them both
He's also fairly good practice against farron GS users as well
The whole reason why Archdragon peak does not change to the eclipse is probably a simple fudge regarding the game engine/setting of the zone.
The entire point of it is leading up to you ringing the bell, changing the zone's atmosphere and skybox to the storm arena. Pretty sure they either technically couldn't account for versions with the eclipse or were aware, but it wouldn't fit the atmosphere of the boss fights.
>Seathe has antennae/face tentacles, fin-like ears, and scaleless, iridescent skin
>Yorksha has antennae/face tentacles, fin-like ears, and scaleless, iridescent skin
>Yorksha calls Gwyn her father and Gwynevere her sister
hmm hmm hmm
>>334898652
She's just repeating what Gwyndolin said.
>>334898652
What are religious titles?
>>334898652
Hmmmm
>>334898501
>It's not Ornstein, but it is his armor. It looks like him, we've had fights with him in every other game in the series and any discrepancies are explained away by the soul weapons saying they were forged from it.
It is the armor of A not THE dragon slayer. It belonged to some knight inspired/maybe trained by Ornstein, but he most likely fucked off searching for the Firstborn centuries before Lothric became a thing.
>>334898501
>Just something Ludleth made up
Source for that? Sounds pretty headcanon to me as all these NPCs Ludleth wouldnt know.
So we know for sure that Aldrich partially consumed Gwendolyn (fuck you Aldrich give me proper Darkmoon), and may have consumed Priscilla and Nito. What else do we know about Aldrich, the church built around him, and his relation to Sulyvhan?
hope demons souls questions are ok...
so, whats the deal with the old one, is it an everlasting tree? dragon? both?? demon dragon tree...
and is there any way the DeS story can lead into DaS despite being a 'spiritual sucessor'? ie which ending is canon, how did first flame appear, etc.
also how come I can't invade or summon but thats not lore related.
>>334899318
We know he was originally a cleric who spent time studying "the deep", whatever that is, then he started eating people, then he became a giant blob, and then he was "made to become a lord of cinder", whatever that means.
>>334889812
Dark Souls 2 has a map.:^)
>>334898652
My preferred theory is the firstborn is Priscilla's father or lover (and thus father of Yorshka), which explains why he betrayed for the dragons.
>>334899167
>It belonged to some knight inspired/maybe trained by Ornstein
You know, I think making up a new character to explain away how the obvious and simple explanation isn't true is a bit silly.
>>334899347
FROM has outright said the two games are completely unconnected but that doesn't stop people from spinning theories
>>334900006
>different movement, weapon, and armor
>it's gotta be Ornstein bro his name is dragonslayer>>334900076
>>334899318
He dreamed about Priscilla while eating Gwendolyn so she wasn't killed (by Aldritch at least).
>>334899808
The Deep is the Abyss.
>>334900076
Bloodborne isn't a Souls game either, nor connected, and that doesn't stop people from saying otherwise.
>>334900159
>different movement, weapon, and armor
Yes, which the description on his weapon and shield explain.
>>334892782
One guy got lucky and left a message there for the rest of us. That's all it takes.
>>334900006
>obvious and simple explanation
>it must be Ornstein's armor that doesn't look like him in a place where he has no connection to, while we find his armor in a place where it makes sense
>>334900286
>it must be Ornstein's armor that doesn't look like him
Except it does look him. It looks a lot like him, to the point where it's obvious your first impression is supposed to be "Oh, that's Ornstein, but different."
>>334894106
Endgame. Right before last boss or middle of Mensis.
It's pretty fucking hard. Probably the toughest Souls' content to date.
>>334900076
I like to imagine.
>>334895258
like this, i can see DeS being the happenings in the intro cutscenes of DaS because, you know, you -are- fighting dragons and stuff.
DaS protag (you) can easily be the same character, free from the nexus...but you're still dead...
>>334900235
The item descriptions only say they once formed the Dragonslayer armorm IE, the boss whose fucking corpse you take them from. This does nothing to explain.
>>334900407
Does it have red hair? I'm not seeing any red hair. No red hair, no Ornstein
>>334894185
I just assumed they fought one another because they were about to go hollow, but the will of the blood of the wolf kept them slightly sane. So they've all spent centuries in there just fighting one another senselessly until a more worthy opponent shows up.
Honestly, I thought the red eyes were just a game convenience so you could tell the possible helpers from the ones just trying to kill you.
>>334900808
>Does it have red hair?
Yes it does. How the fuck did you miss that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbDYVoH12OU
>The item descriptions only say they once formed the Dragonslayer armorm IE, the boss whose fucking corpse you take them from. This does nothing to explain.
Except you don't take it from it's corpse, you give it to Ludleth to transubstantiate. If the description of every boss weapon was how YOU made it, they'd all say the same damn thing.
>>334900407
The only similiaity is the Golden scaled armor. Probably given to many of Gwyns Dragonslayers.
He missing Ornstiens shoulder pads, his lion face, Spear. The helmets are even different, Dragonslayers armor has tusks coming out the mouth.
Dragonslayer armor you pick up behind Nameless King even specifically says Ornstien went looking for Nameless King. The Leo Ring says Ornstien trained under Gwyns Firstborn (who is obviously the nameless king)
The Spear you pick up behind nameless king says Ornstien by name.
Smoughs armor says Ornstien left to go find the nameless king.
Its more likely that armor belonged to Gwyns firstborn, considering its location.
>>334900809
This was my assumption as well. Either they went insane, or purposeful turned on each other to get rid of the abyss corruption
>>334893373
i never get what sylyvahn actually did.
is there a good article if i wanna read up on his deeds somewhere?
>>334893171
"Demons were born of the Chaos Flame, but the flame has not survived". The Profaned Flame is something different, considering it's still around.
>>334901051
Several items DO say exactly that, X created from X. Like the great cursewood spear.
>>334901142
He kept Aldrich prisoner in the Cathedral and put anyone he didnt like in there, namely Gywndolin, because he knew Aldrich feasted on people
Why does the protagonist have to marry Anri to usurp the flame? Why does Anri have to die for this to happen? What's with the sword you place in her corpse?
>>334901051
Pretty lame tuft of greying hair bro, nothing like Ornsteins luscious plume of treseme locks.
>>334901142
I'll list some stuff off of the top of my head:
>captured Gwyndolin and fed him to Aldrich
>turned the Darkmoons into an Aldrich worship cult
>Invaded Anor Londo and claimed it as his own
>Mutated the Dancer and Vort with special rings
>Sent out Evangelists to Undead Settlement to farm hollows (the bodybags hanging from various ceilings)
>>334901297
Its a magic ritual. I assume she has to die so she can't protest, and the game doesn't run on hentai logic so you can't just fuck her into compliance.
>>334901058
>Probably given to many of Gwyns Dragonslayers.
Gough doesn't have it.
>He missing Ornstiens shoulder pads, his lion face, Spear. The helmets are even different, Dragonslayers armor has tusks coming out the mouth.
The boss soul weapons explicitly say they've been forged from it, easily explaining away any discrepancies. Even then, every design helmet you picked has a corresponding element in the Dragonslayer armor.
>Dragonslayer armor you pick up behind Nameless King even specifically says Ornstien went looking for Nameless King.
Everything in Archdragon peak is fake. It's something you make up in your mind, just like everything in Firelink is something Ludleth made up. The Dragonslayer Armor you pick up is just that, while the one which exists in the real world is the boss.
>Smoughs armor says Ornstien left to go find the nameless king.
I'm not saying the item descriptions are fake or wrong, but they items themselves absolutely are. They're just something you create.
>>334901349
>>334901248
jesus, thanks guys.
sulyvahn seems like an asshole.
>>334901380
I always thought you drew her strength using the sword, giving you the 3 extra dark sigils.
>>334901380
But I thought she was willing?
Where does this "Archdragon Peak is fake" theory come from? Is it just the fact it looks like you fall asleep in the cutscene before you're teleported there?
>>334901380
I'm pretty sure it's just to take her Dark Sigils
>>334897227
The fact that such a place exists isn't an illusion, but it's certainly questionable whether or not you ever actually went there. Your character just meditates, then goes unconscious. The dragon's roar could be interpreted as being your ride to Archdragon Peak, but it could just as easily be something you hear in your mind as your consciousness is taken there. The lack of an eclipse even backs that up.
Pontiff Sulyvahn is basically the main villain of the game, isn't he?
>>334901297
Anri is of royal blood.
In order to rule you must be related to royal blood.
Anri wants to link the flame and so would be your enemy and die regardless.
>>334901505
he did nothing wrong
>>334901349
>Sent out Evangelists to Undead Settlement to farm hollows (the bodybags hanging from various ceilings)
Why did he do this again? Just to make Aldrich more powerful with a daily meal of Hollow-Os?
Also, he gave pontiff eyes to the frostknights as well, and it fucked them up like the dancer.Dancer is best girl.
>>334901662
There is no 'villain' but he did cause basically everything to happen.
Lore was an afterthought. The creators think of situations, enemies, and bosses first. The lore is for convenience's sake.
>>334901496
Gough wasnt a dragonslayer. Gough was just one of Gwyns 4 knights. Artorias also wasnt a dragonslayer
Show me proof anything in this game is made up. I asked earlier and you decided not to respond.
The boss item descriptions are as follows
>Melted iron greataxe that once formed part of the Dragonslayer Armour. Thickly imbued with the power of lightning. Use skill to draw upon the techniques used to slay the archdragons.
>Melted iron shield that once formed part of the Dragonslayer Armour. The shield offers high protection to lightning, which the Dragonslayer commanded as his own, and its Skill has faint echoes of the Dragonslayer's own fighting style.
Neither explain why the boss himself uses a Greataxe and Shield and not a Spear, just that they were formed from the soul. Or why the bosses helmet looks nothing like Ornstiens.
For the player to be able to wear a fake peice of armor would mean everything is in the players mind, not Ludleths, which makes everything fake, including Dragonslayers Armor boss. But there is not actual source to say anything is fake so you cant be spouting headcanon.
>>334901851
thanks for the input champ
>>334901803
Enh, he is probably the most evil character in a Souls game, it's fair to call him a villain.
He's basically Aldia, but worse, and you never get to hear his side of the story.
>>334901879
>Greatbow used by Hawkeye Gough, of Lord Gwyn's Four Knights, for dragon slaying.
>Gough wasn't a dragon slayer
>>334897227
But the dragon stones say that people meditate to enter archdragon peak.
It exists, but it's all in your head I think.
>>334901907
The story is convoluted and gay.
Does the Aldrich comic come out tomorrow?
>>334898721
If it were just a religious title, she would always refer to him as "Father Gwyn" or "Our/The Father". Instead, she at times uses the word "father" on its own, which I've never encountered with religious titles unless actually speaking to said Father.
>>334892782
I found the great hollow on my first playthrough without any guides or messages.
The first wall seemed obvious as fuck. I only slapped the second one for shits and giggles and never expected a illusory wall though.
>>334901960
There was an order of Dragon Slayers serving under Oreo which is what that other anon is probably referring to.
>>334901960
I was wrong, I mixed up Ciarin and Gough. I never put much hours into Dark souls lore.
But even Gough had gold plated armor similer to Ornstiens and Dragonslayer armor.
so let me get this straight
All the lords of cinder are individuals whom have previously linked the fire, and become ash right
And then some big fuck off dues ex bell wakes them up because they need to do it again soon or something
But they're like naw fuck yall and 4/5 of them go off to do their own thing
Then at some point later on, another ringading happens that wakes YOU up (because you are "ashen" as well) and you go sort them out
See I didnt think that the lords were previous linkers of the flame, but the little midget on the throne in Firelink outright mentions linking the flame previously, so i'm wondering if thats what it means to be a lord of cinder?
>>334898721
First use is definitely as a title. Both Father and Sister get capitalised.
In dialogue after that it's all lowercase, well father is anyway. I haven't caught any mention of sister since the first time. I still have to max covenant though.
>>334902176
you were woken up at about the same time as Aldrich, so I assume you awoke at the same time the other lords of cinder did.
The lords of Cinder save Ludleth went mad for one reason or another, and Ashen ones are basically a last ditch effort by the fucked up cycle to light the flame.
>>334894451
>Like they've got a snowball's chance in hell of managing that
First time I got in that area the dick wraiths raped everyone to death and they still had full health after that.
Fear the dickwraith.
>>334902176
>All the lords of cinder are individuals whom have previously linked the fire, and become ash right
Only Ludleth actually linked the flame. The other 4 were destined to but refused
>>334902176
Lord of Cinder is a title, I don't think it necessarily implies that you did anything. Lothric definitely didn't link the flame.
>>334902283
Ok ok, so that leads on to what my actual question is
If Aldrich at some point linked the fire, was he still a giant fucking sea of black muck when he linked the fire?? Or did that particular transformation come AFTER
>>334901879
>Gough wasnt a dragonslayer
Greatbow used by Hawkeye Gough, of Lord
Gwyn's Four Knights, for dragon slaying.
This bow is larger than those used by
the famed Dragonslayers. Only their leader,
Gough, had the strength to handle it.
>Show me proof anything in this game is made up. I asked earlier and you decided not to respond.
I don't have the text, but it's when you talk to Ludleth with the eyes. He says he willed a new Firelink into existence.
>Neither explain why the boss himself uses a Greataxe and Shield and not a Spear, just that they were formed from the soul.
They say explicitly they were part of the dragonslayer armor. The Dragonslayer Armor uses them in battle. Every boss soul weapon that's used by the boss doesn't bother describing how YOU created the boss soul weapon, only ones where the connection to the boss isn't immediately obvious do that.
>Or why the bosses helmet looks nothing like Ornstiens.
It looks a lot like Ornstein's. But it's explained by having pieces of it being cut out and the armor being repaired.
>For the player to be able to wear a fake peice of armor would mean everything is in the players mind, not Ludleths
What the fuck are you talking about? You're creating objects with your mind. That's what Ludleth did, and that's what you do in Arch-dragon peak.
>>334893671
It was blue during his fight with Obi-wan
So was Gwyndolin still alive at the start of the game?
Or had Aldrich eaten him already and then was in his coffin later on?
>>334902410
he didnt fucking make a new lightsaber to fight obi
like the guy said, the color is what alignment youi are when you make it
>>334902343
Seems to me like he was a less absurd pile of slime. He was known as the Man Eater previously, and was made a Lord by power alone. Seems like only recently that he became the God Eater.
>>334902309
Nah, that Lothric refused to link it is what's special about him. It's why he's not in the opening cutscene, it's why Emma asks you to get him to be a lord, and it's why his cinders are his head instead of a burnt skull like the others.
>>334902416
Aldrich had been munching trap ass for a long time.
>>334902416
Aldritch "returned home" after being awakened, persumably to Irithyl where he encountered gwnydolin
Holy shit, the fuck is this thing? Do I have to fight it later? This is like, Armageddon looking shit right here.
>>334902309
the giant probably did which burned his city of SJWs into the ground
>>334902513
His home is the Cathedral of the Deep though.
>>334902527
>Do I have to fight it later?
Indirectly.
>>334902527
You know all those dead Pilgrims around the place?
>>334902491
>was made a Lord by power alone.
ohhh right, I completely forgot about that line. So chances are he didnt actually link the fire, he's just so powerful that he was designated as one by default
Does that then mean that the title "Lord of Cinder" mearly means that the person is powerful/has a powerful soul? And that it doesn't necessarily indicate a link with the Flame?
>>334902416
Perhaps Pontiff Shithead had already smacked Gwyndolin's ass, and just turned him and the rest of Anor Londo over to his Lord when he woke up.
>>334902580
They haven't moved or changed so what about them?
>>334902604Beautiful butterflies.
>>334902548
You find a doll in his empty coffin with the description:
>Small silverwork doll depicting a young squire. In the legendary old city of Irithyll situated in the Boreal Valley, the Pontiff Sulyvahn gave this doll to valued subjects, so that they might use it to cross the barrier when they return home. Listen carefully, and you can hear it say, "Wherever you go, the moon still sets in Irithyll. Wherever you may be, Irithyll is your home."
I just wish we got to see the bleeding sun more. I dunno why, but the thought of the world dying to the sight of a sun literally bleeding down on it is fucking cool.
>>334902393
This guy has to be baiting or retarded. Ludleth never says anything about creating things with his mind.
>>334902176
Correct. All the Lord's of cinder are previous linkers of the flame, willingly or no. As with Gwynn this burned them down to hollow coals. Loric and his brother were supposed to link the flame next but refused, and the dying of the flame caused the summoning Bell to be rung. This raised the hollowed remains of the Lord's from their grave, as well as anyone previously sacrificed and burned up by the flame - IE, you. I suspect given your lowely stature the player character, the ashen champion, was a bonfire sacrifice - your bones were used as kindling somewhere for a bonfire.
>>334902416
The timescale would suggest he is alive and the pontiff betrays Gwyndolin and feeds him to Aldrich when he awakens, but there's no way to determine how much time passes between the bell first ringing and you making your way into London, especially with the dimensions and causality all fucked up.
>>334902673
I wish it progressed a little further before going into the Kiln.
>>334894106
Before the Wet Nurse Boss.
>>334902739
>you making your way into London
I kek'd.
>>334902701
No, he just willed an area into existence. An area you can warp into and out of, and find items in, but never walk to, just like Archdragon Peak.
>>334902673
One day I will find the source of this gif and those thighs
where are people getting that the weird flying tree things are pilgrims?
>>334895225
>he hasn't been to Consumed King's Garden
>Princes are the last hope of the world and must link the fire
>Place all 5 lords on their throne, they burn
>Ludeth dies, princes would have too if still were alive
>who link the fire now
>>334902804
Provide any actual evidence that Archdragon Peak is the creation of someones mind
Arguments could perhaps be made about the origin of the firelink shrine we spend our game in, but what fucking indication do you get the AP is fake?
>>334902849
You, the guy with all their souls.
>>334902582
To link fire you need power
Being a nice and good person isn't necessary
>>334902849
Presumably, they could've just given Lothric the cinders if he were still willing.
>>334902849
That's kind of the flaw in the system yes, but dark souls has always been about the Scrabble to survive just a little longer
>>334902807http://thiendia.com/diendan/threads/st-jenny-l-thuot-tha-vs-sexy-up-lai.831080/
>>334902910
>Provide any actual evidence that Archdragon Peak is the creation of someones mind
From ancient times, the path of dragon worship was walked by warriors. It is said they envision Archdragon Peak in the depths of their meditation, and at times, they even hear the distant sound of the great bell at the peak.
>>334902804
>You can literally see Archdragon peak before going there
>YOU WILLED IT INTO EXISTANCE
Headcanon to the max. You have zero evidence to back up anything you say. You are what is wrong with Lore threads. Go back to writing fanfic
>>334902673
Is this a ladyboy ?
>>334902849
The prince was meant to collect the four great souls from the lords of cinder and rekindle the fire
but he was like haha no
so you have to fuckin sort him out
>>334902998
Not just that, but you bring items and shit back with you.
>>334902981
Where does it say that?
>>334902309
I believe in one of the item descriptions for a Yhorm related item it says that Yhorm extinguished the Profaned flame, and that his followers who called him lord were insincere. It could be unrelated to linking the fire, but it could imply he gained lordship through other means I guess.
>>334903048
Gee just like Firelink.
>>334902998
Yeah, it's not as if Ludleth based Firelink on a real pla... OH WAIT.
>>334902981
So its just the creation of someone meditating a whole bunch? But how does that explain the items you bring back? How does that explain the powerful soul you take from Nameless?
And (and I think this is the main hole in your theory) how do you explain that the Crestfallen undead is able to be summoned into your "dream", and tries to compete with you for the right to walk the path of dragons, even going so far as to challenge you to a duel to the death OUTSIDE the Peak?
>>334902932
>the Scrabble
I assume you mean the struggle because I don't get this metaphor at all
>have to kill Lothric because he refuses to link the flame
>I end up not linking the flame anyways
>>334903068
Dragon Torso stone.
>>334903082
Aldrich never linked the flame. They locked him up with the intent on forcing him to, but he never did.
The Abyss watchers never did as evidenced by their hatred of the Abyss and it infecting members of the legion.
And like you said, Yhrom may have gaine lordship another way.
>>334903103
Wait why do you think that Ludleth specifically created firelink? He can't even create anything before you give him a transposed kiln, that ring he carries just says it was made in his home country, not that it was made by him.
>>334903103
Going to someone else's illusory world and bringing back items is different from pulling items out of your own imagination.
>>334903197
>They locked him up with the intent on forcing him to, but he never did.
What?
Proof
>The Abyss watchers never did as evidenced by their hatred of the Abyss and it infecting members of the legion.
Literally what?
>>334894106
If you have about 1200 health and around 400 damage - so around lvl 60-70. For NG anyway.
>>334903163
1. scratch or grope around with one's fingers to find, collect, or hold onto something.
"she scrabbled at the grassy slope, desperate for a firm grip"
synonyms: scratch, grope, rummage, root, grub, scavenge, fumble, feel, clamber, scramble
"they scrabbled around for the strewn coins"
(of an animal) scratch at something with its claws.
"a dog was scrabbling at the door"
scramble or crawl quickly.
"lizards scrabbling across the walls"
make great efforts to get somewhere or achieve something.
"I had to scrabble around to find this apartment"
Ah, a lore thread
I think this item is hinting at a DLC. Like they went out of their way to create this creature called a "Soulfeeder". They didn't need to do that, I feel like this may be relevant later on.
>>334903239
He overhears your betrayal with the FIrekeeper and has some extra text explaining that a little.
Getting people to post the actual text is like puling teeth though.
>>334903197
The Abyss Watchers weren't infectec by the Abyss. Individually, they were too weak to link the flame. So they fought a big battle royale to the death so that the last man standing would become strong enough to link the flame by taking the souls of his brethren.
Then you come along and crash him just as he's good to go.
>>334903387
>The Abyss Watchers weren't infectec by the Abyss. Individually, they were too weak to link the flame. So they fought a big battle royale to the death so that the last man standing would become strong enough to link the flame by taking the souls of his brethren.
another retard...
they linked flame together and were raised together, battle royal is because they go mad now
so, after I killed the Abysswalkers I came back to bonefire to only being met by the Carim dude in combat, apparently somehow my Miracle seller woman died without my interference.
Why did that happen? Where can I find the next hex seller?
>>334903152
> how do you explain that the Crestfallen undead is able to be summoned into your "dream"
Is he? Does he invade? I thought he only shows up to be summoned at Oceiros and later to duel at Abyss Watchers.
As for how he got the twinkling head stone - he created his own Arch-dragon peak and picked it up there. It's not like you can get it in yours, after all.
>>334903387
Wait, really? I thought what was happening was that the Abyss watchers had been corrupt by the abyss, evidenced by the fact that some had glowing red eyes and some didnt. Infact you can observe that red eyes and non red eyes only fight eachother, when the first additional watcher spawns in the watcher fight, and he isn't a red eye, the "boss" watcher and the new watcher both go for your ass. Its only when a red eye spawns that the non red eye watcher goes off to fight it
>>334903387
That's cool as fuck, but I'm not sure why he'd fight the Unkindled with that being the case. The Unkindled's job is just to gather the lords and deliver them to their thrones, and if the Watchers were battling until one could claim the throne, why would he try to stop the Unkindled from getting him there?
>>334903387
No, that's not what happened. The Lord's of cinder are all cinder. They all have already kindled the flame. The undead legion marched out, one at a time, and sacrificed themselves to the flame. When the bell of reckoning rings, they wake up out of their coffins
>>334903387
Some of the Legion were affected by the Abyss as evidenced by their red eyes and the normal ones ignoring you to attack the red eye Watchers.
>>334903479
She's not dead, you just corrupted her faggot. She should be outside near the Iudex Gundyr bonfire somewhere.
>>334903493
You can specifically summon him with a symbol, and he charges on to the peak of Archdragon peak (where you get the stone). He does the emote at the peak and is given the head, you do the emote and are given the body.
Then he gives a note to Andre to give to you, challenging you to a fight to the death, winner gets to take the others dragon stone and become a real dragon warrior dude. You fight in the abyss watcher room.
>>334903387
>The Abyss Watchers weren't infectec by the Abyss.
They drank Artorias' blood, so they've been infected since day one. That's the joke, they're Hunters from Bloodborne.
>>334903387
I thought Red eyes was a sign of the abyss, like with Yhrom. Siegward wanted to kill Yhrom to put him out of his misery due to being infected.
Maybe I have a whole wrong train of thought
>>334903606
Okay, so then it's some sort of shared creation of the warriors of the cliff-face.
>>334903673
No. The others are just tards
>>334903479
>give hex book to miracle woman
>she goes bad
>>334903609
Please specify that you mean metaphorically, as in, they are in fact the monsters they purport to hunt. Otherwise some faggot will take it as gospel that the games are connected
>>334903493
Yes you can summon him in the hill to the Twinkling body
>>334903673
>I thought Red eyes was a sign of the abyss
Pretty much every enemy has red eyes. The Lothric Knights guarding the twin princes boss room have red eyes. Everything has red eyes.
Yhorm more to the point, Giants don't HAVE eyes and he still has red eyes.
>>334903673
You're correct anon, people just don't get it
>>334903757
He has a face, though.
>Gwynevere is Rosaria
>She married Oceiros
>Lorian and Lothric born
>Oceiros goes batshit
>Ocelot born
>Lorian kils it (the Demon Prince he killed)
>Takes his mother's tongue and she fucks off quietly
>Becomes RosariaOceiros' Soul, Bountiful Sunlight, Divine Blessings/FP, Lorian's Greatsword, Ring of Obscuring, Leonhard's little escape with her Soul wanting you not to corrupt it, taking it back to Gwynevere's room like a good little Princess Guard
>>334903574
>>334903730
Wot
This didnt happen to me, and I gave plenty of evil books to blind miracle lady. She sat unhappily in her little room for the whole game. She started going a little crazy like she had when you first find her, but beyond that she was all good to go.
>>334903709
Just adding more to your headcanon I see.
>>334903757
Normal face under the black hole.
>>334903757
DaS2 giants are just butthole faces but Yhorm has a human face/skull. His "hole" is just a shadow caused by his chain mail hood.
>>334902580
There are some statues in front of the Cursed Greatwood of robed figures with growths on their backs, I wonder if it's related to the pilgrims and the stupid rocks they carry around. But if the pilgrims are the butterflies how are there so many growing on the High Wall? They all died in the Settlement presumably because the demons couldn't be bothered to carry them. Maybe they took one at a time? I dunno. The butterflies are such an interesting part of the game but there's not much to go on.
>>334903803
If you buy all the dark miracles from her she gets her bad end. If you give her the tomes but don't buy them she's fine though.
>>334903792
See, I knew Rosaria was best goddess, and now it's proven as fact. Too bad she got so much smaller...
>>334903883
Some pilgrims made it into Lothric before the Wyvern crashed into the bridge destroying it.
>>334896801
Read the description on champion gundyr soul and armor. They basically say gundyr went to fire link and was defeated. He then became a sheathe for a sword. During the tutorial, you pull the sword out of him. So, Dark fire link is in the past.
>>334903757
No not every enemy has red eyes. Outskde the dancer, theres 2 knights without red eyes, and one up top standing over dead bodies with red eyes.
The worshippers who transform have red eyes when transformed and will attack other enemies.
The abyss causes red eyes and makes you go insane and attack everything. Even in King garden the monsters will attack the mace knight if you kite him down
>>334903808
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>>334902981
And the warriors on the cliff-face bleed when you attack them.
>>334903956
Birthing dozens of giant worms takes a toll on your body.
>Kill one of the big headed things in the dungeon
>It drops this
2deep
>>334894493
>Gwyndolin magically became a girl because he was raised that way
emm amm
>>334904024
Yeah, what's the deal with that? Is any explanation given for the freaky worm people?
>>334903956
It's the only half decent thing to have come out of all the lore threads tonight.
A fairly neat cohesive unit of events and descriptions.
>>334903082
Probably by defending the city and giving his twin swords away for a shield to defend them.
>>334904074
Heysel eventually becomes one, so it's probably what happens when you're reborn too many times.
The geography in this game is so fucking stupid.
The Lordvessel from the first game is outside Yhorms boss room. Okay. Except the real Firelink Shrine after Oceiros is in the abyss. What? That doesn't make sense at all. And then there's a THIRD Firelink Shrine near Kiln of the first flame, except Kiln is nowhere near the Lordvessel.
Shit's fucking retarded. Nothing is anywhere that makes sense.
>>334904047
Put that ring on and take off all your clothes, anon
you'll still be a dude/chick, you'll just emote like a sissy/butch.
>>334903983
Why do we not see them on out Archdragon Peak but we can summon Hawkwood? Shouldnt we also share with them too?
>Aldrich devouringGwyndolin
Just did this fight. Knowing what happened to him hurts. I stomped that abomination fucker into the ground, but it won't bring him back.
>>334904176
>every big bowl is a lordvessel
one day this meme will end
>>334903364
Damn, ludlith was pretty strong back then.
>>334903983
Yes. They didn't get taken to the Peak. We did. We got taken over there presumably by a dragon that we hear screech in the cutscene after it all goes blank. Just like the weird gargoyles that carry us to the undead settlement.
>>334904176
To be fair you walk through a fucking glowing white spirit staircase from the Lordvessel to the Kiln so the positioning of that is up for debate. The teleport point being a third firelink at the kiln seems more like laziness considering you just walk out and warp to a brand new spot.
>>334904176
What makes you even think thats the lord vessel?
>>334904210
Maybe they're the Drakeblood Knights that get summoned. Or they're just not good enough to make it there.
>>334904172
Yeah that makes sense, reform yourself too many times and you slip apart into a formless blob.
>>334904176
Dude its just a fucking big bowl
The lordvessel looks like pic related
What is everybody capping their soul level at, I must know!
>>334904345
either 100 or 125 ask the /vg/ thread.
>>334904345
somewhere around 80-90ish
theres no standard yet
>>334904216
Don't worry he reincarnated as a gay prince fuckboi that lusts after onii-chan.
>>334894298
darklurker?
more like danklurker
420 blaze it faggot
>>334904176
The geography?
Explain the coiled sword fragment and the rest of that sword being in the bowl at the High Wall initial spawn?
That sword is definitely incomplete and the fragment is most definitely a pointy end
>>334904345
100 for now, but I'm thinking about upping it to the 110
Anyway I didn't go on ng+ and wait for dlc
>>334904176
is just a big bowl with a crazy flame, also Eleonora description:
"A strange weapon found among malformed inhabitants of the Profaned Capital.
The Profaned Flame was triggered by the curse of these women, relatives of a certain oracle, but despite their culpability, they went on living, without any cares."
>>334903883
There's a ton of statues all over the place of people with crap growing out of their backs.
>gank squads 24/7 in the kiln
What an accurate recreation of DaS.
>>334903883
i like to think that the butterflies hatch out of their back shell things. complete headcannon though
>>334904456
>Explain the coiled sword fragment and the rest of that sword being in the bowl at the High Wall initial spawn?
>That sword is definitely incomplete and the fragment is most definitely a pointy end
The sword in Ludleth's Firelink sends you directly to the real sword, which Ludleth deliberately broke and left the greater piece away from Darklink as a fixed destination for him to send you toNot a clue, made it up
>>334904047
>someone invades me in dancer armor
>hubba hubba
>helm is off, looks like a chick
>we mess around, fight club ensues
>each win I notice them take off a piece of armor
>l-lewd
>Get to the chest piece
>lose but they take if off anyway
>It was a dude
>they send me a ;) message
what da fug
>>334905024
You had me going :(
So what's with the endings? I have given the eyes to the Fire Keeper but I feel like it's gonna be a sad ending. I don't wanna be mean to her. Should I kill her and take the eyes back? I just want to get an ending where I'm nice to the Fire Keeper ;_;
>>334905159
Already giving her the eyes is being mean to her so you fucked up.
>>334889812
Just saying, it would be nice to have a map that filled out as you explored it so it's easier to remember where you've been.
>>334905209
Well fuck.
>>334905159
She's going to fuck a lot of hollows.
>>334905265
If you kill her then she doesn't remember the eyes when she respawns
>>334905209
But now she can see! She can rely on us to save the day, and just enjoy her ability to see the people she enjoys the company of.If she can't see, how does she know what gestures we are doing and how to react? She even looks away and blushes for some.
If anybody has high quality pictures of Pilgrim Butterflies, could you please post them?
They're my favorite creature out of any video game I've ever played, but there are hardly any pictures of them and I already started my NG+ so I can't go back and take my own.
Imagine this...you get the ashes, but don't put them on the fire link shrine thrones. The firemaiden gets worried and starts asking.
When you go to the forgotten fire link shrine when getting all the ashes, the firemaiden is why the dead one you loot the eyes from.
She inserts some obscure lore shit, tells you a reason for this place. It hides "the truth".
You put the ashes on the thrones there and a staicase opens up. Going down the staircase you see broken lordvessals filled with ash.
You arrive at another place like the kiln, it's empty and examiing the fire gives some description, saying the fire is long been cold.
There is a new elevator, when you take it, you emerge out a cliffside and there you are, at a darkened fire link shrine from the first one.
Standing there starts an optional boss fight.
Astora's Determination or something along those lines.
his soul can make a straight sword that shoots lightening. Description leads to basically saying it was Solaire Went mad after linking the flame and being told the truth of the linking.
>>334905375
she uh
she feels the uh
air vibrations
and like
figures it out from that
>>334905382
They look like Dragalgae.
>>334890756
People are saying it's because of the abyss/fire fading, but that doesn't really explain the only black blob snake dragon things you find in the game are only in the vicinity of Lothric Castle.
>>334905375
She can "sense" your presence/actions by your souls probably.
>>334905296
No, she's pure ;_;
>>334905449
Fuck off with your fanfic tier need to make Solaire some super important character in the lore. He was, and always has been, a normal undead with a quirky personality. Nothing more.
>>334905486
I curb stomped her.
>>334905449
holy shit...
>>334905486
Not with those eyes of darkness.
>>334905550
You're right. It should be oscar of astora instead.
>>334905159
You only curbstomp the firekeeper if you attack her during the death of flame ending.
You only get the death of flame ending if you purposefully summon her.
The only ending you can really get locked Into is usurpation, and you have to complete all the convoluted steps for that.
>>334895225
>never again
Theyre in the consumed kings garden, they're also in the place with the two ash dragons.
>>334905586
Anri is best astora. Mah waifu
>>334905553
>>334905570
Stop bullying the Fire Keeper ok thx
>>334904176
autistic dickhead
stop fucking whining
>>334905632
>tfw I gave her the eyes and killed her to retake them 10 times
Her tears get me hard every time
>kill Yuria
>"Kaathe, Ive failed you.."
>Kaathe
>Kaathe
>K
>A
>A
>T
>H
>E
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HES BAAAAAAAAACK
>>334903370
He says that he willed himself a lord of cinder so he could shape the world rather than let it die. Pretty much he's saying, "hey I knew about the abyss and the alternatives when I kindled the flame, trust me, kindle it". Nothing about creating a fake fire link.
>>334904287
If anything, you out of body experience teleport yourself there by meditating.
That whole dragon subplot doesn't make any sense at all though honestly.
>>334904345
No capping
Going to leave Humanity Behind
COME ON
>>334905732
You're sick
>>334889687
General grievous was a pretty hard boss
>>334903792
Fanfic tier bs
>>334896120
Divine blessings from ds1 and ds3 make it seem like oceiros Queen is gwynevere
>>334905798
ADP was basically a reveal as to who Gwyns Firstborn was. Nothing more.
>>334905449
>>334905556
Let's get more crazy, say after that boss you unlock another elevator. Cut scene plays where when the boss falls his finger moves in some ashes. When examining the writing on the ground spelling "below"
You got deep. You're in New Londo, small level, some items. A place to farm dark wraiths again as well. Maybe some balder knights or some shit.
You enter a fog gate, cutscene plays, it's dark and all you hear is clacking teeth.
Two figures emerge. Two snake heads connecting to each other, as if they are arguing as well. They turn to you, and viciouslly attack.
It's frampt and kathe. Arguing with each other still the entire fight. Makes references about you resemble a certain person.
>>334893346
I'm assuming he's talking about the invisible bridge off the moving spiral staircase in Dark SoulsIIIAnor Londo.
Ornstein is going to be a summonable phantom for the next 2 DLCs
ss
>>334905946
>only two
step it up sempai
>>334906052
>>334905946
If from is lazy, they can re add thos walking dragon butts with mouths from the sunken crown dlc.
I still think those are baby primodial serpents.
>>334897653
Irithyl is eleum loyce. Anor London moved. Look at the opening lines and the kiln. Places where the Lord's of cinder came from are being brought together. It's why the lothric wall just appeared one day and half of anor londo is missing
>>334892386
The ladder dude's body can be found in the profaned capital bonfire.
>>334892331
Wtf the bitch's voice broke and completely sounded like aldia.
>>334906024
I want Sif back ;_;
>>334906245
All the Artorias role play in DSIII will never fill the void of not having a Wolf BFF
>>334906024
>one dlc is going back in time to sail across the sea to draeglic with ornstein to rescue Gywnerve from Heid's tower.
>bearer of the curse collects the shards of magnus's soul
>emerald herald enters the abyss and finds a way to permanently cure hollowing
>is now able to heal the dark sigil, which is why the dark sigil description reads "a Fire Keeper who returned from the Abyss, and brought great comfort to a bearer of the curse".
>this creates the unkindled, undead without the curse of hollowing
>>334901380
>>334901297
Yuria spells it out for you.
To be a Lord, you must have a spouse. Anri is also hollow, so she is eligible.
It's that simple.
Remember, Dark Souls runs on medieval logic which happens to be true.
>>334893346
>after the disaster that was DaSII
>a "good but not great" game is a "disaster"
good ol' /v/
>>334903970
Why do people keep spouting this nonsense when we can physically walk to dark firelink and the start of the game is disconnected from the rest of the world? The firelink we hang out in is in the future.
>>334906347
Still doesn't explain why she has to be dead and I stab her corpse with a comical gravestone sword.
>>334906334
How come other npc who refer to themselves as unkindled can still go hollow and become hostile in their sidequests?
>>334901976
The story is straightforward and straight.
The lore is all fucked up
>>334905920
I got that part, but ADP was completely unnecessary and could have added to the plot of the game while still having Gwyn's firstborn instead of the "walk the path of the dragon" shit.
>>334906456
dark souls can't have happy marriages
>>334906529
They're already hollow due to dark sigils and then the normal Undead process of giving up hope causes them to lose their mind.
>>334903792
You get bountiful sunlight from a slug in Seath's crystal fuckfactory
I guess Gwynevere is a slug creature as well before making her way to lothric
>>334906546
There needed to be some sort of Dragon tie in to introduce Gwyn Firstborn, since he basically came King of the dragons when Gwyn erased him from the Annals
It coulda been a better plot, but the dragons were nessisary. Im just hoping for a Furative Pygmy plot DLC (or manus plot that makes it obvious beyond a doubt hes the pygmy)
>>334906546
I mean the whole demon ruines/submerged lake subplot was pretty unecessary, but I wouldnt want it taken out
Its good, optional content. I like it, same with ADP.
>people discussing Dark Souls lore
Guys, I like the games too but at this point you've written more and better lore than Miyazaki ever did. Just accept that it's placeholder stuff at best, meant to resemble his childhood experiences of reading English language fantasy novels when he hadn't mastered the language and had to fill in gaps for himself.
>>334892797
>*takes hit of bong* giants are trees and trees that dragons like and also dragons are giants and the giants killed the dragons and their trees so they killed the giant ass trees so a giant dies it becomes a tree and eventually a dragon so it can kill itself again its the cycle of life
>-miyazki, director of dark souls
>>334906830
we get it, you hate fun
fuck off already
>>334890932
>Thats what the black stuff they turn into is, creatures of the abyss
I thought they are the byproducts of king's dragon experiment
>>334906830
thanks for the input champ
>>334906894
Myazaki didny make Dark souls 2.
>>334904176
that's not a lordvessel this is
>>334906940
thanks for the input champ
>>334906938
its possible, given how there are those black masses keeping the two ashen dragons alive in the castle.
>>334889812
They came with the CE box.
>>334893171
The Chaos Flame is dead. Was dead for a long time.
One or two chaos demons of great power are still surviving, but they are dying. There is even a chaos demons with a dead flame in the bridge.
This is the point. The Chaos Flame is no more.
>>334906987
thanks for the input Gundyr
>beat pontiff
>was hard as fuck
>slap my sun-mon sign down
>get a guy speaking on his mic
>he sounds upset, talking to his friend in the bg
>cusing out another phantom asking why it took so long to summon him
>Hear him just being nagry when running at pontiff "this faggot ass boss, etc"
>That sound of joy after we beat him
>He calls the other phantom a fucktard cause he died half way through
>do squat when pontiff goes down
>guy is just laughing and sounds happy
>"Dude and now you're taking a shit on the floor, thank you so much ahahahahaha"
Normies are funny sometimes.
>>334906916
That's actually what Miyazaki said in an interview around the time of Prepare to Die Edition's release, I'll try to find it again for you.I wish Dark Souls wasn't the only game of the trilogy where it feels like they wrote coherent lore and then removed chunks, rather than writing a bunch of shit that kind of references eachother.
>>334907103
Gundyr would have been easy as fuck if he didn't have that spear charge attack. I fought the fucker about 20 times, and it being undodgeable was the only reason I died most of those times. Otherwise, you just dodge until he finishes a combo, take a hit on the damage bong, and start dodging again.
>>334907249
I thought he was fun as fuck desu. Them ground combos had me laughing my ass off. Champion Gundyr is a hero.
After Untended Graves I want the next Souls game to take place in the Age of Dark.
Crystals would be the only light source, like what you had strapped on in Demon Souls. Make it have a really shitty draw distance to make it even creepier.
>>334906137
Imagine being a Silver Knight. You go to bed, wake up the next day, go outside and your cathedral is suddenly in bumfuck nowhere.
>>334907150
>host summons me
>get invaded
>Sounds like a kid on the mic
>hear him somewhat crying as he runs back
>"I just want to plllaaaayyy"
>invader waves and rolls at us
>take defensive manuvers
>invader ignores me as kid on mic is screaming bloody murder
>FAGGOT I WANNA PLAY THE GAME.
>Uses me as a shield screming "KILL HIM, KILL HIM, FAGGOT KILL HIM!"
>He ends up dying and host squats on his body
>hear the kid screaming more now "You're done! I'm black listing you! FUCK OFF! "
>>334907249
Tracking in general is bullshit in DaS3/ If I'm right up against you and circling and you go into a lunge animation you shouldn't be able to turn 120 degrees and hit me.And the fucking combo strings those Lothric Knights have, jesus. Do those faggots have 99 END or something?
>>334907419
>draw distance is 30 feet
>still can't get a consistent 30fps on consoles
>>334907196
Yes, but he has also said that there is a coherent story in there. He just doesn't want to shove it into your face, because players are supposed to come to their own conclusions.
>>334907525
In DaS that's actually true. 2 and 3 don't feel like that. I know it's still early days with 3, but for the amount of recycled concepts/items/areas there's surprisingly little coherent links to DaS.
But I guess ending with a Gwyn callback is enough to satisfy people. ;^)
>>334907395
Oh, no, the fight was cool. I just wish I knew how to avoid that charge. I eventually just went as tank-mode as I could and resolved to simply try and block it and dodge after to survive. It worked.
>>334907491
The nights post-Dancer were easily more troublesome than most of the franchise's bosses. No openings, fucking lightning fast, huge reach, ridiculous damage AND the combos and stamina that never die. I was legitimately tired of it all by the time I got to the archives.
Fuck the archives.
>>334906529
The only people who refer to themselves as unkindled are anri and hawkwood, I believe. Anri has dark sigils (we know this from her quest), while hawkwood doesn't go hollow during his questline. The ability to become cured of hollowing was probably also lost between the cycles of drangleic and lothric, which is why you have to find the fire keeper's soul.
So it's basically all hollows are unkindled while not all unkindled are hollows. This is why don't lose your ability to become a host of embers when you receive the dark sigil.
>>334907635
lothric is a world formed of refs and memes from dark souls 1 and 2 and demon souls and bloodborne all mashed together
this is the actual lore
>>334906347
No, its a ritual. You take her 3 curse signs, giving you the max of 8.
>>334904176
If you consider the world to be a convergence of transitory lands (as stated in the intro) it does make sense. The one in the picture is Yhorm's, so ofc it needs to be fucking huge. To open the door to the Undead Legion, you light multiple lordvessel looking things. You pick up the Ashen Estus from a similar looking thing. Aldrich I don't know.
What does killing the pilgrim who shows up in the church of yorshka do, plot-wise? I just want Chameleon and I've read that you get it from killing her, but I want a different ending than kill the soul of cinder and link the fire. What does killing her change?
>find my most perfect sweet spot.
>40 str, 30 dex.
>Have dark sword maxed out as refined, have dragonslayer greataxe maxed out.
>I can now mix and match between duels.
>Kill 3 invaders in one swing with the fucking dragonslayer.
>I can no longer get pulled in to wolf bros land.
>I can no longer get pulled into blue dicks land.
>I just rely on summon duels.
>Somehow I hit them, it makes the electric spark or damage ding but no damage.
>Somethings very wrong.
>Summoned in to help others, pray for a invasion.
>Nothing.
>I can do nothing now but deal 1000+damage to lord of cinder.
>>334907861If you kill her, she won't kill Anhri. She was sent by Yuri to kill her.
>>334907861if you marry anri the pilgrim dies when you exit after the ceremony and you get it anyway.
>>334907861
You can't get the usurper ending and anri's questline is changed. You can still go for the end the fire ending
>>334907635
Are you dense or what.
DS3 is like the easiest game of the series to understand because the lore is tied so heavily to what took place in previous games and actual the plot is laid down to you from the beginning.
>>334907958
Wait is he talking about assassin or pilgrim?
>>334907958
>Kill a retired JAV star
Don't be an idiot. The pilgrim is there to abductand rape.best boy for the hollow ending.
>>334908041
The pilgrim is an assassin
>>334907861
If you go usurp the fire route you get chameleon not long after church of Yoshkra
>>334908109
I thought the pilgrim was the one who gives you the ceremonial sword? Tis one in the same?
>>334907150
I didn't even know you could use a mic in game.
>>334907861
Let the pilgrim live. You get chameleon from her anyways at the end of the Anri questline.
>>334908182
It's the same person
>>334908182
Yes, if you don't marry the nip then someone else does resulting in Anri's "death"
>>334908240
>Anri's questline
>not doing the one where you got their back and help them complete their life long mission of skullfucking Aldritch for ruining their childhood
Get it together.
>kill Horace
>must not tell him/her you did it
Is this a choice or you must not talk to him/her again?
>>334908363
I thought no one else married Anri and she just goes mad at smoldering lake?
>>334907958
>>334907973
>>334907994
>>334908137
>>334908240
Thanks anons. Now that I'm reading into it, I botched the special ending by letting Yoel die without gaining the dark sigils in this run anyways, so I may as well kill this thing.
>>334908551
I could only tell anri I found Horace not that I killed him
>>334908551
you can go to her and tell/not tell or not go to her at all, the quest will continue
>>334908551
It's a choice. If you haven't killed Horace you can only say no.
>>334908559
IIRC that's if you tell her you killed Silent Bob.
>>334908559
That's if you kill the pilgrim or some other thing. It's her endgame with Aldritch's death only instead of her sword she's got a broken straight sword.
>>334896120
I really don't like how DaS2 made dark and the abyss unequivocally evil and bad. The reason Oolacile was the way it was, was because Manus' humanity went wild and out of control. Flames can go wild and out of control too (and indeed they have done in the DaS universe and caused some really bad shit) but fire is still portrayed and considered a positive thing.
The main central core theme of Dark Souls 1 is that all things come to an end. It's just a natural law of the universe and trying to change or resist that only causes pain and suffering. Instead Dark Souls 2 seemed to misunderstand that completely.
>>334908678
No I don't think so. I think if you kill the assassin you can find anri nutty and hollow at smoldering lake same place as Horace
>>334908678
If you tell her you killed Silent bob she gives you a ring of the evil eye and moves on. She'll die if you leave Basuzo alive in the smouldering lake.
>>334908717
Yeah that's what I thought, it sucks she can't live in any ending. (Being a nut hollow doesn't count)
>>334908795
She technically lives in the Hollow Lord ending since she's seen in the background.
>>334905550
Didn't Solaire link the fire in his world though? Maybe a Solaire lord of cinder dlc like Artorias dlc.
Since you all sound like you know what you're talking about, I'll ask.
I heard someone say that if you choose the usurpation ending that the flame will inevitably die out with your character as lord and won't be rekindled leading to darkness for sure (ala not even another chosen undead can go and link the flames)
True?
>>334908849
What!? Oh that makes me very happy i didn't notice her back there!
Very glad I got that ending then. So all the hollows get a purpose and I get to be an all powerful lord with anri by my side.
Is profaned capitol the Lordvessel area in DaS 1? I'm at Anor Londo trying to figure out whats what but the massive chunk in front of Duke's Archives seems to have sunk into the ground screwing with my sense of geography.
>>334906137
To be fair we don't know if Anor Londo (and a bunch of other shit) really moves or if the weird space-time fuckery connects and merges worlds with fundamentally different geography and structures.
>>334908864
No? Not at all. What gave you that impression? I'd also be wary with what you mean by the concept of "his world", because when you start talking about every other character having its own fucking paralell universe thats when the whole lore discussion just breaks the fuck down. Its an idea that is best left in Das1.
>>334908864
Lords of Cinder didn't link the fire. Only Ludleth says they did and we all know he's full of shit. Lothric never linked the fire, yet is considered a Lord of Cinder.
>>334908997
short answer, very unlikely.
>>334909013
Aldritch is considered one for his power and seeming potential to do so.
>>334908965
Yeah something like that.
>>334908721
>I really don't like how DaS2 made dark and the abyss unequivocally evil and bad
Because it is evil and bad for everyone who isn't serpent
Maybe letting fire go before dark/abyss become to exist was a good idea, but now no sane person should want to try and het "age of men"
>>334907419
what if aldrich is right and the next age isthe age of deep water
>>334909080
>seeming potential to do so.
FUCKING BULLSHIT
He has a power and did it, but retards like you for some reason think that "not for his piety, but for his power" means that he never did
>>334909013
If you didn't noticed, Lothric never was ressurected too, unlike every other lord of cinder ressurected by flame itself
>>334909254
>This is the last of our runaway success series guys, honest!
Deep Souls confirmed.
>>334897049
neat idea
>>334909264
Sure thing Sully, keep believing he linked the fire.
>>334909013
>The two princes rejected their duty to become Lords of Cinder, and settled down far, far away to watch the fire fade from a distance. A curse makes their souls nearly inseparable.
>become Lords of Cinder
>become Lords of Cinder
>become Lords of Cinder
>become Lords of Cinder
But of course descriptions lie, because you said so
>>334909343
>everything that told as that lord of cinders linked fire is lie, because I said so
>>334909264
None of the LoC linked the fire. If they did link it, then they wouldn't be in the game; they'd just be part of the Soul of Cinder, their souls consumed by it and the First Flame.
It's clear that aside from serving the same gameplay function as the Lord Souls from DaS1, Lords of Cinder are essentially the same thing; just beings with immensely powerful souls. In DaS1 you needed them to unlock the Kiln, in 3 you need powerful souls to serve as kindling. That's it.
>>334909356
He became a Lord of Cinder and didn't link the fire. How does that contradict anything I said?
>>334909421
First thing we were told that being lord of cinder means linking the fire
It's a lie because some retard on the internet thinks so
>>334909416
>I did not waste my life venerating an abomination of goo and got corrupted by the abyss to not know it didn't link the fire
>t.Sulyvhan
>>334909489
>rejected their duty to become Lords of Cinder
>rejected their duty to become Lords of Cinder
>rejected their duty to become Lords of Cinder
>rejected their duty to become Lords of Cinder
>He became a Lord of Cinder!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are actually retarded?
>>334909505
We're only told that by Ludleth of Courland. Nobody else says that. Not even the intro cinematic. And when you read his ring description it's clear he didn't link the fire like he said he did.
>>334909553
His duty as a Lord of Cinder is to serve as kindling. He rejected that and didn't want to do it. When you kill him it says LORD OF CINDER FALLEN. When you kill him you recieve cinders of a lord like all the other LoC. Is English your 2nd language?
>>334909553
>are you
Damn, I'm more mad than I thought
>>334909657
>His duty as a Lord of Cinder is to serve as kindling
>their duty to become Lords of Cinder
It's like you are stupid on purpose.
He never became the lord of cinder
>When you kill him it says LORD OF CINDER FALLEN
Good thing that you never played das when it was released...
>>334906984
Have you noticed those doors with inscriptions on them?
Like the ones in Oceiros chamber and Wolnir's exit.
I think every time we cross one of those we are sent in time and/or space.
OFFICIAL LORIC AND LOTHRIAN BOSS FIGHT THEME:
https://youtu.be/wsdy_rct6uo
>some ancient scholar said Lothric to not link the fire
>Ocelotte
>Shanalotte
So, is it possible, that Aldia arrived in Lothric, helped Oceiros with dragon child (because as we know, he crreated Emerald Herald and fake Ancient Dragon) and brainwashed princes?
>>334909505
I think that it's just a title. In DaS you're the Chosen Undead and your role is to link the fire, but you are the Chosen Undead prior to that point, if you get what I'm saying
>>334906729
Nigga that enemy was of Gwynevere's handmaidens Seath crystalfucked into a slug you fucking moron
>>334909000
Well if Dark Souls II is still cannon, then Anal Rodeo might aswell still sit in Lordran.
>>334906729
Rosaria is a not slug, she's holding one, she has feet and everything.
>>334910204
That is why she is best girl.
>>334909356
"Black dyed leather armor. Enables its wearer to hide in the shadows with silent finesse.
The wearer of this fine attire was admired by friends and enemies alike, for his skills were unmatched, and his heart was true as gold. As its new owner, you have quite the shoes to fill."
Descriptions don't lie. Ever.
> Lothric my son, your solemn duty is to kindle the flame to protect mankind from the ever encroaching darkness.
> Ay its your boy Oceiros, fuck that shit lets see how the Age of Dark is like.
> OK
>>334910310
>Descriptions don't lie. Ever.
You're basically playing "Unreliable Narrator: The Series" and you're comfortable saying this?
>>334910054
Yeah exactly. We don't know what's happening, whether it be things moving all over the place, different worlds versions of Lordran mixing together or something else entirely.
>>334910378
I am not the same person you were arguing with, but I am just pointing out that, in fact, some descriptions do lie.
>>334910405
Well you know at least the Cathedral, High Wall, Castle, Settlement and Farron are all in the same time/space since you can see them from high points in eachother, and the giant snipes into three of them.
Where are the fucking Dancer lewds
>>334901349
How did the Darkmoons become an Aldrich worship cult? Wouldn't that be the Aldrich Faithful?
>>334910586
So you're agreeing with him in saying that descriptions aren't always accurate?
>>334910617
They didn't Dorks became blueberries.
It's better to just list facts:
>Princes were never resurrected
>We never were told by anyone in the game or see any item description that can indicate them as a Lords of Cinder
>Both woman in the church and item description of their souls tell us that they need/never BECOME the Lords of Cinder in the first place
>We were told and can read description that at least Yhorm and Aldrich already BECAME Lords of Cinder
>>334906124
Those dragon buts were imperfect dragons yes.
>>334910825
What says that Aldritch was one?
>>334910612
I wasn't implying we're doing any time travel or dimensional hopping shenanigans or anything by walking through areas, I mean the world itself is sort of merging with others, likely well before the game starts. We know from the description of the banner that the High Wall of Lothric just appeared one day and blocked off the route to the Undead Settlement.
We could very easily be from a different world than the Chosen Undead or the Bearer of the Curse, but Lothric could be in a location that corresponds to Lordran. So when the worlds merge, most of Anor Londo appears in the Ashen One's world. This would explain the geographical differences and outright impossibilities we're shown.
Of course it may all be just one world, and it all shifts around for some reason. Maybe it's just the land of lords (Lordran, Drangleic, Lothric) that is effected, or maybe it's global. Maybe we'll get more information in the DLC, but for now we've got no way of narrowing it down unless we find something hidden in an item description or some interesting dialogue or something.
>>334889893
OKAY I'LL SELL IT TO YOU
>>334890556
Get back to boot camp.
>>334903045
He seems pretty depressed when you fight him, he just wants to die
>this spot marks our grave
>but you may rest here too if you like
>>334908721
In all fairness I think that's what SotFS was going for, that the darkness might be the better choice. Though desu I couldn't be assed to play through DaS2 again when it came out and just watched lore videos on it.
>>334909959
>some ancient scholar said Lothric to not link the fire
Where is it written exactly?
>>334910613
>>334911765
>climbing up a ladder while wearing Dancer outfit on a female character
And on that day Anon bonered at a Souls game.
>>334910951
>Aldrich became a lord by devouring men, but was disillusioned with his throne
Is there any clue as to why the Cathedral has so many nail things driven into the roof?
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