People actually think this combat system is ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIdB759RBRA
How in the fuck?
This shit is awesome.
Because you didn't actually play it. Everything about the combat system is made to look good but play like shit.
please respond
>>334779517
nah you just suck
>>334779517
This. I really wasn't impressed. Maybe I just didn't realize everything you could do, I did only beat the boss once. I have my fingers crossed. Holding down x until random auto targeted monster is dead doesn't qualify as good gameplay in my book...
>>334779517
/thread
>>334777909
All flash and no substance. That and a lot of people don't want to play a fucking action game, they want to play an RPG.
>>334779517
It does play like shit if all you do is hold circle to attack like it tells you to. It gets better once you factor in directional inputs and stuff.
>>334779795
>Maybe I just didn't realize everything you could do
I don't blame you, the demo itself doesn't tell you how to do shit aside from basic controls.
https://sites.google.com/site/darkwavestyle/games-research/final-fantasy-xv-platinum-demo
>>334777909
From the video alone:
>no hit feedback
>hold down button until monster is dead, alongside maybe another button
>monster telegraphs slow as fuck and don't matter
>player moves in and out for no reason
>quick time events
This is good how?
>>334779517
>Everything about the combat system is made to look good but play like shit.
I feel the same way.
And the sad part? There's really no way we can convince /v/ that Square-Enix is selling snake-oil without them actually playing the Platinum Demo.
Because to the untrained eye, the battle system looks rather complex animation-wise.
>>334777909
Why does Noctis still sound like Batman
>>334780190
>It gets better once you factor in directional inputs and stuff.
It really doesn't. I played the platinum demo and found the extra weapons and fought the giant several times, but having a few extra attacks from directional inputs does nothing at all to make it more interesting. The shield being used to guard is something, but it's not helped by its unreliability in switching to it and inconsistent attack cancelling to use it.
It's just mediocre at best.
>>334780741
Yeah it's not great, but it is very limited compared to what we'll have in the actual game. It has potential IMO but it's just alright as is.
>>334779517
>Everything about the combat system is made to look good but play like shit.
Thread should've ended right here.
It's basically a cinematic game.
>>334780350
I'm too lazy to critique you point by point so I'll just say confidently that you're criticism makes almost no logical sense.
Wait a minute...are they forcing an English dub stateside? That'll make me immediately drop this shit. Forced dub means no buy; I like my weeb audio.
>>334780741
i'm not a big fan of the way they cheaped out on the transitions various animations by making the character vanish and re-appear
especially when this is supposed to be some kind of game featuring top tier next gen graphics tech
>>334781872
It's gonna be dual audio.
>>334781892
>top tier next gen graphics tech
Play a game from a properly graphics focused company then, instead of Square-"Marketing, Outsourcing, and Publishing"-Enix.
Even Koei Tecmo does better graphics than them nowadays.
>>334779517
No you clearly just suck complete ass.
>>334783040
>Even Koei Tecmo does better graphics than them nowadays.
>>334785126
Noctis is such a daddy's boy
>>334777909
> Backstreet boys
>>334785493
Pretty fitting for Final Boyband XV
>>334785618
Is it?
>>334785493
I know, why use Backstreet Boys when they could have used the superior NSYNC.
I pulled off all those pointless air dashes and shuriken combos easily enough, but my problems with the game have nothing to do with how well I'm performing and everything to do with how the game performs. Shit feels sluggish at best and completely out of control when it is at its worst. It looks really cool when I do all of that, but I have to wrestle with the controls to make it happen, and even if something cool happens, it is never EXACTLY what I wanted to happen, because Noctis has a mind of his own.
Also is it just me or is it flawed by design at some level? Listen, you can make a flashy action game that requires precise timing for dodging and attacking OR you can make a flashy action game that lets you hold down buttons to make shit happen automatically.
You can't have both, because they don't mesh well. Especially because it is very limited in terms of animation cancelling, so if you hold the button down a splitsecond too long, Noctis will initiate another attack, which will get in the way of your planned escape/dodge/block.
This is easily fixed by including a little option to turn off the hold feature for attacking, so you have to press the button for each attack. I know that you can already do both at once, but I would appreciate if they would let you turn off button holding anyway.
I hope they improve it immensively before release, but from the two demos so far it just doesn't look like they actually know how to make an action game feel good to play.
>>334786228
This feels like copy pasta
>>334785493
>not unironically liking 90's boybands
>>334786319
sadly not, I didn't plan on going on and on with my comment, but this game frustrates the hell out of me. I was super hyped for it.
>>334777909
Combat looks fine. What will set it apart from being shitty will be encounters that make use of it in fun and interesting ways. Right now I am not impressed by all the fucking damage sponges or clusterfuck encounters.
>>334777909
I'm sure it is fine.
But I'm still mad that they turned their back on ATB. And gameplay.
The problem is that the game runs like absolute ass.
>>334777909
what in the absolute fuck did i just watch?
>>334786228
It's strange given that Kingdom Hearts 2 actually had pretty great combat.
>>334786385
You're me. Every sentence. I came away from that platinum demo feeling like crap. I've posted how I've felt only to have anons claim I just didn't "get" the combat or that I must not have used the shuriken.
The game just isn't tight enough and controls wise they are trying to do too much and it just doesn't feel good even though it looks good.
>>334786637
cry more turneded based shitter
NO ONE WANTS TO WAIT FOR THEIR TURN TO ATTACK ITS BORING
>>334786385
I don't share your views, the only problem I had was performance and I didn't like how it autolocked you into a direction based on closest enemy, it needs 1 more level of freeform before it goes to lock when you do it yourself
>>334786637
Gameplay, I know it's a first for FF.
>>334786775
what?
keep projecting, im sure nobody would notice.
i LITERALLY dont even comprehend WHAT i just watched.
>>334786867
I didn't know gameplay amounted to holding a button down to watch a cutscene play out.
>>334786867
They're masters of deception over there.
It's probably just FMV designed to look like gameplay.
>>334780564
>Because to the untrained eye, the battle system looks rather complex animation-wise.
This
>>334786775
>square enix looks through this thread
>sees everyone complaining about the combat being shit
>finally find this guy's comment
"don't worry guys, we found our core demographic"
>>334779517
first post, best post.
btfo OP
>all that random teleporting in and out
>enemy does almost nothing while getting beaten down by attacks that feel weightless
>just hit attack over and over while you teleport behind him over and over
Who approved this?
>>334787282
Did any of you shits see Advent Children?
They've been trying for years to make their combat system like that ridiculous fight scene between Cloud and Sephiroth.
Square is being run by morons.
>>334787282
I honestly don't get what people like about this crap. It's fucking stupid and looks more boring than MMO combat.
>>334786228
It feels like this is the kind of combat system that some designer comes up with that falls apart and gets shelved with playtesting.
I don't understand what the combat gains from the hold-button-down scheme.
>>334786974
I literally just beat the final boss in FF1 by holding down A just the same as holding A against early game mobs
Meanwhile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-ANQvMkXg&feature=youtu.be
No one will tell me why the protag is tiny in some of the screenshots.
Please someone tell me.
>>334786228
I don't need to hear this from a Yoko Taro poster.
>>334787282
He's teleporting and dealing stun hits which stun the IG, he's being stunned most of the time because he's getting critical hits in, all those hits feel impactful and weighted
Warping consumes MP and doing aerial combos also consumes MP so you have management of stats to keep in mind, it's OK you don't actually know what is happening, that happens when turn based kiddies are shown what actual gameplay is like
>>334787413
>>334787484
I honestly don't see why you faggots shitpost and samefag this desperately.
>>334787537
>Beat the game by overleveling to the point where strategy isn't needed
10/10 spit my drink
>>334787484
Their designers are building games for teenage weeaboos. For some reason (see: the success of FFVII) that's the demo they have decided to latch onto.
The characters have to be whiny, paper-thin soap opera stars dressed head to toe in stylish clothes that dance battle dragons from outside the solar system.
There are no more moments in Final Fantasy, just set pieces and a single that will hit number two on the charts in Japan.
>>334787413
Noctis' weapon gimmick does look similar to that omnislash now that you mention it.
>>334787702
Right now how about the fact that is literally just starting the game and going straight into battle, holding A and winning?
>>334787715
Oh god it's DQ samefag, get ready for another FF thread ruined by DQ cunts who don't know what gameplay is.
>>334787747
It's their whole goddamn focus over the years. They've fixated on the weirdest aspects of their products.
Square clearly wants to be making movies but they lack the talent.
>faggot prince and his bodyguards
>bodyguards don't have their own weapons
>prince please give me a sword so I can protect you!
Who comes up with this stupid shit?
>have to hit the enemies 91320948710298712 times to kill em
this rustle my jangles
>>334787754
Hey man, if you want to waste hours of your time killing early game mobs instead of progressing; that's perfectly fine. Are you planning to do that XV too?
>>334787747
That's because everything they make now is modeled after that rubbish movie.
>>334787829
>doesn't like turn-based gameplay or classic jrpgs
I've got a skinny faggot covered in belt buckles you might be interested in.
>>334777909
>spamming attacks against an enemy with the slowest, easiest attacks to dodge in the history of mankind.
I hope not all the enemies are like this because I was actually looking forward to playing this before now.
>>334777909
button mashing's back, all right!
>>334787829
You're better than this. I am disappointed in you, anon.
>>334788006
The DQ11 protag? More belts than modern FF protag.
>>334787715
>>334788203
off topic but DQVIII was beautiful.
>>334787915
Sheath-kun pls go
>>334779517
that's literally every action game ever
>>334787583
Everything is made in gigantic proportions to make it look like you're fighting big monsters. Said big monsters are just like small monsters, but they look BIG and should be more awesome to fight. -Should- be.
>>334788317
One belt holds a sword.
One belt holds a utility bag.
Both good uses. However points are lost because despite wearing two belts, neither of them are assisting in holding up pants.
>>334787982
So you got BTFO and now backpedaled while ignoring the video of XV posted, amazing.
>>334777909
>press a button something awesum happenz xDD
>>334788319
Pretty excited for the 3DS versions coming out.
Was a big fan of the second trilogy.
>>334788203
>>334787715
Off topic but DQVIII was trash.
>>334779517
>Makes statement with no proof
>"Oh wow, OP BTFO!"
Fucking Christ /v/.
Take a look at the video.
Now get someone to play the demo for the first time and watch how their fight goes.
There's a huge difference, isn't there? At least my first playthrough looked nothing like what was happening in that video.
The combat is solid, it's just very awkward at first.
>>334777909
what the fuck this piece of shit is supposed to look impressive?
>>334787537
I like swords.
we need to carpet bomb australia tbqh
>>334788449
Pointing out that you can kill early game mobs by commanding your characters to attack them and do nothing else is not BTFOing anything.
>>334788440
Three belts all useless
>>334788790
Yes it is because it destroyed your bullshit argument of holding down O in XV to beat the single level 3 enemy on screen when you can't even fucking do that anyway because it will kill you multiple times
>>334788585
I liked it better when it was just Episode Duscae and people were shitting on it because you knew they hadn't played it. Actually, /v/ is really good at shitting on games they've never seen seen before. I once had multiple people tell me that Black Desert was a generic korean tab target grind fest.
>>334788992
are you ok?
>>334789006
Nice.
I don't know why I was expecting anything else from this board.
>>334788401
>I have literally never played an action game: the post
Unlike FFXV, pulling stylish combos in games like DMC, God Hand or Bayonetta actually requires a minimum of juggling skill and execution timing.
>>334788603
Swords are quite literally a meme-weapon.
>>334788992
I'm not that other guy. Anyway, the point remains that being able to kill the first enemies in a JRPG by spamming attack is not BTFOing anyone.
>>334777909
>People actually think this combat system is ass
People just don't know what is ass.
>LAST REMNANT: RND: THE GAME
>>334789225
So by the same logic you can't say it about XV either, so fuck off with this hold O to meme meme
>>334789186
i have played all the dmc's, and final fantasy xv felt just like them all. i got bayonetta 2 back in 2013 but never opened it cause i always had more interesting games to play
>have no hype in me for 15
>play platinum demo
>still have no hype
It looks really pretty but thats about it. I might get it on sale later on. ff13 went down to $10 in a few months, ill see how long it takes 15
>>334788317
All of those belts serve a use.
>>334789282
>thinks last remnant is ass
>>334789345
>i have played all the dmc's, and final fantasy xv felt just like them all
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present you with neo-/v/
>>334789284
I guess his point was that a demo is supposed to show you the cool stuff you can do in game, not only the basest "press X to win" you have on level 1. They haven't really shown any "cool combat mechanics" you'd expect from the game, which are the main reason to make a demo in the first place.
>>334789345
lol
>>334789521
greetings from reddit, friend
do you also browse /r/4chan?
>>334789006
Episode Duscae was also complete shit, but for entirely different reasons to the Platinum Demo.
>>334789345
>i have played all the dmc's, and final fantasy xv felt just like them all.
>>334779517
Anon, but it looks like shit too. All the zapping around is completely pointless and utterly boring
>>334787715
>DQ Shills still salty about DQ in west
Oy.
>>334789345
>>334789345
>i have played all the dmc's, and final fantasy xv felt just like them all.
>>334789345
>final fantasy xv felt just like them all
The demo was complete shit but I played it for the shota.
>>334777909
Nothing personnel: the video
>>334794740
>>334792825
>>334791579
>>334791265
He's talking about weapon switching and directional inputs which did feel like DMC since it's done through the Dpad and L stick while attacking
>>334796173
>damage control level 2
>>334796389
Did you read what I said? DMC has weapon switching on dpad and directional inputs on L stick to change how combo works, XV has that too, only how combos respond to presses is different.
>>334777909
>People actually think this combat system is ass
It's only the buttblasted FFXIII babies on Xbox that are still mad to this day because they defended many shitty JRPGs that appeared on their console and they have been nothing more than disappointing ass.
Now that they will finally have a good jrpg going multiplatform without being butchered they don't know what to do because they are used to playing absolutely garbage.
Ignore the babies they will always be upset.
>>334777909
>we want the anti-mage audience
>>334787537
>all that work for literally nothing
My first encounter with the Giant I just held A with the greatsword and he died in less than half that time, spending most of the time stunned. I dodged twice.
Backstreet's back, alright.
>>334797206
>That camera angle
>>334777909
>rolling in the air
So they want both the Kingdom Hearts and the Souls audience? Such greed. It looks boring as fuck anyway, senpai.
>>334777909
I just bought a PS4, but now I really wish they would port this shit to the PC because it would look and play so much better..
>>334802132
It'll come to PC a couple of years down the line.
