Baldur's Gate / Neverwinter Nights / IWD / PS:T / ToEE and other D&D vidya thread.
Let's not turn this into a 2E vs 3E war.
>>334698137
3E a shit.
Whats better 3.5 or 5e?
>>334698229
3.5e
I have
>IWD 1 and 2 Complete
>BG 1 and 2 Complete
>ToEE
>NWN Diamond
in my backlog. I've already finished PS:T and loved it.
In what order should I proceed?
>>334699167
BG1, IWD, BG2, IWD2, NWN and TOEE+Co8
>>334699167
Depends on what you're looking for. IWD and ToEE are pretty good if you want some combat oriented games as a change from PS:T's story focus. BG 1+2 will give a great feeling of going on a motherfucking adventure and they have enough content to keep you busy for a long time.
>>334699167
BG1 and 2 dirst althougj you might want to take a break in between ges
NWN is great and I would recommend skipping the original campaign and moving on to the better expansioms if you get bored
>>334700630
first although*
between games*
>>334700630
>NWN is great and I would recommend skipping the original campaign and moving on to the better expansioms if you get bored
And then to the tons of modules.
SSI games are, IMO, better D&D experience on PC.
Or just roll20.net and play it for real.
>>334698229
Trick question.
Pathfinder is better
>druid spells
>shitty summons you can't use while doing something else
>no dual/multi
>priest thac0/hp
What were they thinking?
>There are people who doesn't understand THAC0
>>334700809
Nobody plays IE games for a D&D experience
>>334701146
>Nobody plays IE games for a D&D experience
Maybe now they don't, but back in the day, they did.
I just got mazed by the Lady and I'm trying to find my way out. Fuck that bitch.
Also, I'm a Dustie, but the Godsmen make their secret project so enticing. is there any downside to leaving them and joining another faction? I already convinced Splinter I'm a Sensate so I don't need to join them.
>>334701438
>not being a Xaositect
Is SCS worth installing for BG2?
What is the difference between different kind of resting rooms in bg?
>>334702480
Recover more hp
>>334702480
The more expensive rooms heal better
>>334701092
I know the less is the better but I still don't understand it.
Do I understand correctly that there's only 1/100 chance of casting Nahal's Reckless Dweomer correctly?
>>334702825
What you if you tick rest till healed?
>>334703028
That's why you cast chaos shield first...
>>334703272
Isn't that an EE only thing?
>>334703397
nah
>>334703605
With 5 other people supporting you
>>334703709
I don't see it
>>334704324
Options menu
Only BG1 didn't have it
>>334704324
In the options, dummy
>>334704387
>you rested for 482 hours
>>334704407
>>334704387
Thanks
>MY HOTEL'S AS CLEAN AS AN ELVEN ARSE
Does that mean they're clean or dirty? Either way that's hot
>>334704439
>doesn't matter either way because Sarevok/Irenicus wait for you forever
>>334704820
Obviously he's bragging about how dirty his tavern is
>>334705008
Maybe he's bragging about all the dirty elf sluts he's banged.
>>334704324
>royal room
>literally a palace fit for royalty
>16 gold a night
That's like checking into the ritz or the Tower in nyc for 5 bucks a night.
So I know it's possible to play on PC now due to GC/PS2 emulation, but why weren't the Dark Alliance games ever officially ported to PC?
>>334705129
The Underdark one is double the price.
>>334705231
I know the second game had some legal troubles.
>>334705321
Apparently, CD Projekt was supposed to do the PC port.
Every time I go back to these gems I hate building my character. Prefabs are never right for what I want but going through picking everything is a chore. Not a big deal in a couple of them since I saved the templates I like but I got IWD2 not long ago and making my entire party just keeps me from wanting to start.
I need to go back and finish NWN2 now that I think about it. Got distracted by other games a couple of months ago but I really liked the world and level design. Except the city. Fuck that place being so big when you just want to go buy some stuff.
>>334705468
They must've put their hack&slash experience into The Witcher 2.
>>334705129
You have to consider, most commoners would probably make 1 or 2 gold in a month. Baldur's Gate just didn't bother with coppers and silvers for simplicity's sake. 16 gold would be a lot to your average peasant.
Hey guys, I was thinking about playing Torment as a thief. What kind of stat distribution do you guys suggest? In thinking about starting with 18 wis, 17 int and then raising dex>str>con. Also, much dex is too much dex?
>>334705129
Anon people in D&D don't normally have hundreds of thousands of gold. 5 gold is enough to feed a family for a month, and for a few thousand golds you can buy a castle.
These games throw legendary treasures at you like candy, so of course you're mad rich from selling all those.
>>334705508
Play the 2E games then.
>>334705726
>>334705873
If that's the case then why can you sell these extremely valuable, extremely rare items anywhere? Especially when just ONE of those items would immediately elevate the lowliest of peasants to the richest of princes due to its value?
No regular merchant in the world is gonna have the dosh for that shit.
>>334706161
Convenience/ease of use.
There are games where merchants have a limited amount of money (Fallout) and it's fucking annoying.
>>334706413
In Fallout 2 you can just pick up weapons from patrol encounters at the start of the game then sell them at SF for maximum dosh.
Every time I try to play as a caster I end up ignoring buffs because I can't see the difference. Then I drop the game because it becomes too difficult. Is there a good spell guide for 2e?
>>334706535
stop posting your meme list
>deeblo 2
>god tier
Best girl.
>>334706535
>Arx Fatalis
>Not in god tier
You fucked up, nigger.
>>334706535
pic is outdated
>>334706674
literally who?
>>334706642
It's the best game in its respective genre, even though it's not a crpg.
>>334706761
Literally the best girl.
>>334706764
It's a shitty loot treadmill designed for you to grind through the game multiple times for more loot. Your list loses all credibility with that anywhere near god tier.
>>334706759
Do you have newer?
I know that /tg/ uses the one I posted
>>334706976
>loot treadmill designed for you to grind through the game multiple times
That's arpg for you. Don't diss the genre just because you like different things.
>>334706510
There should be be one on gamefaqs.
Off the top of my head:
lvl1: sleep is godlike, mage armor is good, magic missile starts being very good level 5+. Prot from evil is very good against evil enemies that have charm or similar spells, like vampires.
lvl2: horror is like improved sleep. mirror image is second best defensive spell in the game. melf's acid arrow scales very nicely.
lvl3: mostly fireball and flame arrow.
lvl4: Stoneskin. This and mirror image will keep you alive for a very long time.
Protection from magical weapons is also really good, but that's more like mid-BG2 level.
Anyway, on low levels it's mostly Mage Armor and Mirror Image that keeps you alive.
There might be some spells that don't exist in 2E or are different level, honestly I've been playing 3E games recently so it's a bit of a mix in my head.
>>334706535
What's the point of having low and shit tier if you're not going to list all existing games?
>>334707243
The point of shit tier is "this game is generally considered to be good among casuals and people with no taste, but don't fall for it because it's garbage".
>>334698137
3.5e or bust
I only never played BG because I'm a huge D&D fag and I couldn't stand touching anything based on AD&D again.
>>334707332
Diablo 2 should be there then along with Skyrim and Oblivion
>>334706535
>Skyrim in low tier
Into the trash this meme list goes. Skyrim is not the best in the series, but it deserves at least mediocre tier.
>>334707219
I made a Dragon Disciple with a roll of like 97-100 in stats with the stat bonuses from DD and tomes, wrecking around with 15+ in all stats and a shit ton of buffs in buff spells. Litterally as tanky as Minsc (this fucking game need better good/neutral tanks)
>>334706535
There needs to be a tier called "Not an RPG so stop posting it in RPG threads" tier.
Games include Deus Ex, System Shock, Diablo, Jagged Alliance and so on.
>>334707332
Well, worse Path of Radiance game is there, and I can assure you that casuals propably never heard about it
>>334707138
That's not the entire genre. Not all action RPGs are skinner boxes and claiming they all are is a disservice to the genre.
>>334707583
JA is great rpg tho.
Except Back in Action, that is shit
>>334707723
JA2 is one of my favorite turn based strategy games.
>>334707592
It is not that bad. You just had high expectations.
>>334707592
>play BG2:EE instead
I get the feeling that the retard who made the image put that there unironically.
>>334706535
>Darklands
That game would have been so cool to play when it first launched. Really ambitious.
>>334707757
Silent Storm is better
Thread successfully derailed by a shitty tier list. Can anyone tell me if Cave of Songs is good for NWN?
>>334706535
What are the first two games in high tier?
>HotU
>"hey your equipment got stolen at the beginning of the game"
>"but don't worry you can reclaim it all later"
>finally reach the chest with my items in it
>im a hoarder so I had tons of items all stuffed in these -100% weight magic backpacks
>my fucking face when my backpacks aren't there
>all of my items scattered and unsorted in 16 tabs
what the fuck were they thinking? Like, what am I supposed to do now? The only way for me to keep the items is to actually cheat and give myself these backpacks through a cheatcode or something. Holy shit this is retarded. I didn't collect all of those rare containers throughout OC and SoU only to get cucked out of them now, not to mention spending hours fighting my OCD and sorting my weapons, armor, elixirs... Hoooly fuck am I mad right now.
>>334707898
I should specify that I mean good for singleplayer.
Is crafting mandatory in NWN2 and expansion?
>>334708062
Only a pole could be this autistic
>>334707920
Ambermoon and Amberstar?
>>334698137
How good is the blade of gladiator, and why did i just spent 32k gold on it?
>>334702923
It isn't that hard to get for 2e.
The THAC0 is just the minimum roll you need to actually hit a guy with armor class 0. Then you subtract the actual enemy armor class from your THAC0 to get the actual roll you need to hit.
Say your THAC0 is 13 and the enemy has an armor class of 2. That means you need a minimum roll of 11 to hit the opponent.
>>334708210
No, but it's useful. You will find plenty of magical items, so you can get equipped without crafting.
To be honest it's not good enough to warrant 2 feats, so I usually console cheat in the craft magical weapons and armor and craft wondrous items feat for my mage.
>>334708210
Can you not give the feats to a party member and have them do it? I have it installed and spent hours creating a character but I never got past the prologue, mostly because of the bad camera.
>>334709126
I think you have some crafting related dialogue options or do I remember wrong?
>CoD kiddie millenials invaded the classic D&D fanbase after Pillar of Autism and Siege of Dragondildo
Welp, time to burn all my Infinite Engine games.
'twas a good run, rest in peace RPG genre. Fuck you all.
>>334709126
In MotB crafting is both easy and useful and your first companion has all crafting feats iirc.
>>334708239
said some literal who neckbeard
>>334709438
what are you even talking about
>>334709663
m8, not him but but HotU was so stuffed with OP gear that there was no reason to touch your old stuff
>>334709438
>hating your old favorite things because new people are trying to get into them
Burn yourself with your games as well.
>Try to play BG with a friend, pirate EE
>They said it's tedious, only at the second area outside of Candlekeep
>Game gets buggy and freezes for them every time we pause
>Lose drive to play
Welp, so much for the that. Thanks Beamdog.
How's Divine Divinity?
>>334709923
Was it the 2.0 patch? It's recommended to play classic with BGT or downgrade to 1.3 for the most stable experience.
>>334709923
That's what you get for playing EE.
>>334709923
Maybe the bought edition will work.
NWN2 OC crafting tl;dr
Skills:
Craft armor and craft weapons create nonmagical items, like adamantite sword or mythril armor. These can have bonuses against demons or undead, or a slight damage bonus. If you use these base items to create magical items, these bonuses are carried over, so it's better than enchanting a simple normal item. These skills are standalone, and you can have it on a warrior or whatever other companion. You do NOT need the feats on the same character as this, nor the ability to spellcast.
Craft trap should be obvious. You need set trap skill to actually use them, and realistically a rogue.
Craft alchemy creates not just potions, but also extracts essences from various items. Essences are needed for all magical crafting, so it's important to have this on someone.
Feats:
Craft wondrous items lets you create accessories like cloaks or rings, anything that's not armor or weapon.
Craft magical armor and weapons lets you add magical attributes to items, like fire damage or +3 enchantment.
These two feats are standalone from the above skills and they do not need to be on the same character at all.
>>334709965
Awesome. It's like ultima with action combat. The atmosphere and writing are really good and it aged well, too.
>>334710145
We tried the original but it wouldn't install right for my friend, probably because they use linux.
If I multiclass from the beginning I basically end up underleveled, right?
>>334710557
Not in Bg2.
>>334710557
Obviously both of your classes will be lower level than a pure class character, but your HP and your BAB/THAC0 will average out between the classes and will be on a similar level as a pure class.
Multiclassing will not put you to a disadvantage.
>>334710238
>>334709965
>tfw lost any drive to actually complete that game
I lost my save twice, both times around the same point, rather late into the game
>>334709832
Oh, alright. It's just me being a sucker for collectibles. Like how can I throw away this based armor made out of red dragon scales which I got after the hardest fight of the entire OC? Doesn't matter if I'm a monk and won't ever use it, it's a trophy.
On the other hand, I have tons of "crafting materials" like dragons blood, faerie dust, gems etc. which I keep because I wondered if I'll ever need those. Should I just vendor all of this crap?
>>334711235
Trap crafting is useful as a rogue
>>334711235
Yes.
You're gonna need a lot of gold at the end of HotU. Just sell it.
>>334710557
In 3E, you get no penalties as long as your classes are roughly the same level, and you get no penalties whatsoever if you take your race's favored class + another class.
If anything, starting multiclass from the beginning suck less than taking up a second class later.
>>334711235
>see neverwinter screenshots
>feel a strong nostalgia, loved that game
>remember the instagib companions
fucking dropped
How come general crpg threads always die while dnd threads hit bump limit
>>334708062
>actually playing a monk
look at him and laugh
>>334711634
CPRG threads are too diluted. You can't have a thread of 30 different games. There isn't really a lengthy discussion about any game, just one or two questions and answers. That only works on /vg/ because threads stay alive for hours without bumps.Also mentioning D&D brings in the 2E vs 3E shitposters who give free bumps
>>334706535
Where is SoD, DOS, PoE and Wasteland2?
>>334712596
In the trash where they belong
>>334711548
What was the amount again?
I know I didn't have it the first time around.
It's a retarded option anyway, what the fuck does gold matter to a fallen angel or whatever M's ex was.
>>334711580
I'm pretty sure you can just solo this game anyway. The only one I've ever needed was Tomi, early on for traps and locks.
>>334711235
WHAT GAME IS THIS IT LOOKS SO COOL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME
>>334712809
Somewhere between 100k-300k.
All the questions need over something like 2 millions total. I just console cheated in a fuckload of gold at that point so I can see all the options.
>>334711940
Are you the guy who posts his mandatory NwN tier list in every thread?
![hedrack[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EboA4Un.jpg "hedrack[1].jpg")
Yall niggers need to play a real D&D game.
>>334712949
neverwinter nights, don't know if original game or expansion
>>334713035
I must be remembering it wrong. I thought there was just one option to bribe her, but i pretty much guarantees your victory over him.
>>334713262
It's HotU.
>>334713150
ToEE is a bad game m8, stop trying to trick people into playing it.
That goes for Arcanum too btw.
>>334713064
No.
But fuck monks anyway. Cheap little niggers, tired of them from my days of pvp arenas every other player was a fuckin monk in some way to abuse their stupid high AC and saving throws.
>>334713336
Tbh I dropped around the time you return from the prison island, but ToEE with Co8 is pretty much the perfect D&D game.
>>334713262
>>334713303
Thank you nice anons, Ive never played any of these games and am trying to decide which game to play first, I cant wait :)
>>334706535
>Dragon Wars
>mid tier
>PST
Literal GOAT
>BG1
Meh
>BG2
Can't think of a more charismatic cast of characters in any vidya. The game's okay though, gets too damn liner after you pay the jews for a ship
>IWD
Played it as a kid, it wrecked my tight bumhole and it never recovered. Its probably the hardest IE game even though you get to customize a party
>NWN
Its shit
>>334713621
What does IE stand for? Also why is NWN shit, Ive heard its good
>>334698137
>playing d&d on pc
it's a shit RPG even on real life, why the fuck are you guys playing it on pc ?
>>334713742
Infinity Engine. Only official NWN campaign is shit, expansions and some of the user made content and are god tier.
>>334713985
Oh ok, got you. Thanks for the answers :)
>two hours later
>finally done emptying my stash
>>334714127
Don't bother with enhanced editions if you're actually going to play BG. Modded originals are fine.
>>334714203
Why not share your autism stories with a therapist instead?
>>334714279
everytime
>>334714203
Why is that UI so fucking terrible? ToEE did everything hundreds of times more slick.
Why are rogues so worthless?
In NWN/NWN2 half of the enemies are immune to sneak attack, and in both games it seems the AI is programmed to always switch targets to the rogue, denying sneak attacks anyway.
Also 90% of the time the enemy spots Neeshka with maxed hide from 20 yards, so they are even trash as a scout. I found myself having to cast Invisibility on them just so they can look around without being detected.
They are even more worthless in 2E with their once per combat backstab (or invis potion spam just so they can do damage).
>>334713493
NWN is great but don't judge the quality of the games from their original campaignd. The expansions are much better and separate from the OC
>>334702923
You roll the dices, you discount to the result the defense number, if the resulting number is negative you deal no damage
The higher the roll the higher the damage
wish me luck
>>334713985
Not fair to label all of NWN shit when it has so much great content with good expansions.
>>334715613
I think the UI is great. It's minimalistic with a very functional radial menu.
>>334715940
That battle was quite hard on insane. Just remember to kill the demon last.
>>334716412
well I'm just playing on core rules and he's killing my party with that paralyze shit
I'm gonna try again with dispell magic
I'm starting Bastard of Kosigan. Does anyone know how hard the stat checks are? Are INT and WIS used for checks too?
>>334715715
Play ADWR
>>334716674
Try remove paralysis
>>334714203
>no Deekin
>>334717243
>using memekin
>>334716674
clarity potions = no problem.
>>334717325I have just one
>>334717139
thanks anon, didn't notice it was a party spell, too bad I only have it with my main character
>>334706906
I agree Jaheira is the best girl
>>334717294
>hating memekin
>>334711235
Are you playing a monk?
>>334712268
A /vg/ CRPG general would be cancer
>>334716883
Isn't the english translation kinda shitty? I've never played it
>>334715715
Thieves are God-tier on BG2
>>334719526
With kits and trap spam. Going pure regular thief is lame though.
>>334719053
Yeah im a monk, currently 21 lvl. And I actually have no idea if I should keep pumping these epic levels or start leveling some other class
>>334719597
>mage thief
>well this is underwhelming
>find mislead in a vase
backstabs for everyone
>>334698137
>Let's not turn this into a 2E vs 3E war.
I never understood why there aren't any 4E video games. That F2P MMO doesn't count since it doesn't actually use any 4E mechanics.
I mean even the 3.x cultists who hate 4E usually claim it feels more like a videogame than an actual roleplaying game.
>>334719635
I played a shifter monk once and it was neat. With 21 levels in monk though I'm not sure what you would multiclass into.
>>334719738
More like it feels like a generic MMO engine. I don't think that a PnP feeling like a casual videogame is ever a compliment.
I love both 2E and 3E, but can't stand 4E at all.
>>334717294
Deekin a boss
Meeting him in NWN2 was great. Especially since your character from NWN2 knows nothing about him.
Examine him, and he is listed as Impossible.
When you ask where he has been, he timidly tell you that he's been to Undrentide and very deep below Waterdeep.
>>334719931
I never got the MMO complaint. Why is it always the 3.5 players who bring it up, and what makes it feel like an MMO to them?
a friend and i have been doing multiplayer hardcore (no death/no reload) runs of BG2we've died like 30 times in chapter 2, 100+ something hours
Started playing NWN2 some time ago. I've completed MotB back when it was released, but never the OC, which I aim to do now and continue on to MotB after that.
Playing as a Lawful Evil Favored Soul, gonna take few Blackguard levels later. Now I understand that at the end of the gameyou can opt to join the King of Shadows. If I do this, can I import that character into MotB? I think not, but I would like to know.
>>334720289
Doesn't sound too bad once you get Harper's Call/Raise Dead unless that counts as death anyways.
>>334720149
"here's these 2 at-will abilities, spam it infinitely on every enemy" sure as hell feels like an MMORPG to me.
Is it possible/viable to do a arcane-hungry, path-to-lichdom wizard in NVN with a focus on necromancy?
>>334720487
that's not the issue, so much as when you get gibbed/any effect that results in a death that can't be res'd fromat the moment our biggest problem has been confusion, so our solution is to run 5/6's of the party as a berserker
>>334720519
Ah, so you've never actually played 4E. That explains a lot.
Besides, even if that was all there is to it, that's still double the variety that 3.x characters spamming Full Attack all day erry day get.
>>334720693
I'm guessing it's too early for chaotic command for you
How well did Eye of the Beholder games age? I saw there was a automap hack for it so i got curious
>>334720721
Because it's impossible that someone played that trash and didn't like it, right?
There's also the dumb primary stat stacking.
Like mage powers dealing more damage with more intellect, and so on. That's also a mechanic commonly associated with MMOs, and is responsible with too much dependency on gear, power creep, and so on.
>>334720859
CC is amazing, but there are scenarios where AOE confusion occurs without having the prep time to cast it, or if for some other reason that druid/cleric is otherwise unable to complete the cast
>>334720650
Sure, you can even become half-lich.
>>334721025
He could get the PRC
>>334706535
>SoU
>Low Tier
>The Witcher
>E.Y.E
>Dragon Age: Origins
>Mid Tier
>Oblivion, Skyrim and Arena in the same tier
Fuck you m8
>>334720650
PRC lets you actually do the lich transformation. It's not compatible with every module, though.
hey guys is there any d&d game which doesnt require mouse to play or can be played with a gamepad with only dpad
like for example in nes , snes , ps1 ,sega or anyother console
but doesnt require 2 analog sticks extra
plz help /vee/
>>334721183
>even including straight up shooters like Mass Effect into a crpg chart for the sake of bioware memeing
It's pretty shit alright
>>334713150
great game, but it's too bad it crashes all the time even with all the latest patches, Co8, and mods. I straight up have to avoid certain fights, had to savescum the balor yesterday using dismissal, reloading until it worked. I can't fight Zuggtmoy, have to take the gems from the throne or face a crash.
>>334721025
Why NWN2 didn't have the skeleton arm or dragon wings is beyond me. It's the only reason I even contemplated playing an evil wizard.
>>334720927
CC last forever though, there's no reason not to have it active
>>334720916
>Because it's impossible that someone played that trash and didn't like it, right?
No, it's impossible that someone played that trash and not realise that even a basic level 1 Fighter has at least 5 or 6 different attacks, compared to the 1 you get as in 3.5. Claiming that it feels like an MMO because it only has 2 attacks is at the same time proof that you don't know what you're talking about, and a stronger indictment of the version you're defending than of the one you're complaining about.
>Like mage powers dealing more damage with more intellect
Compared to 3.5 Wizards who were just flat out the best by default, that's a massive improvement.
>too much dependency on gear, power creep, and so on
That's just blatant bullshit.
I have nothing against people hating 4E. I'm not the biggest fan either, but then I think that all versions of D&D are garbage and the only ones I can stomach are 2E AD&D and 4E. But what I am against is people bashing games they never played using arguments that make no sense.
>>334721440
there are countless scenarios where you
a} don't know you're about to go into combat
b} just got dispelled
c} can't keep it up on the entire party at all times
i don't think you realize how demanding a hardcore playthrough of BG2 truly is
so far the most effective strategy has just been to exploit berserker dual classing
>>334721582
>and the only ones I can stomach are 2E AD&D and 4E.
>Why is it always the 3.5 players who bring it up
So basically you just hate 3E, and feel the need to attack 3E players.
>>334721745
I do think 3E is the worst of the bunch, but I'm not attacking 3E. I asked you why you didn't like 4E and all you did was make shit up.
Stop trying to change the subject and either answer the question or give up and admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>334721745
I have a friend like that who is a massive 4E fag and hates 3E. Playing NWN he kept going on about muh balance and that 4E is perfect.
>>334721337
ME is an action RPG you dingus.
>>334721404
Skeletons aren't evil though, that's just paladin propaganda.
>>334722374
>smites evil
>skelton dies
Explains this
>>334722012
You didn't ask a question.
Also spamming at-will powers is a fact. A lot of them are even situational, so you may very well end up spamming a few of the highest damage ones. I wasn't specifically trying to say that you only have two of them, that was just something I threw in as an exaggeration, stop riding on it so much.
>>334713336
You're talking shit mate.
ToEE is great game for its combat system alone. It's also yet another of many examples of games rushes out of developer's ass.
Temple+ and Co8 fixes lots of problems though and it's playable now.
>>334698229
5th ed is by far the most fun I've had with D&D and before I get called a newfag this was my first D&D anything that I owned and played (thanks dad).
>>334722445
>not playing a lawful good skeleton paladin
>>334722445
>literally falling for paladin propaganda
Anyone can make a spell that kills skeletons and call it smite evil but that doesn't mean skeletons are actually evil.
If I made a spell called Smite Faggots and it killed elves does it mean all elves are faggots?
>>334715940
Web, entangle, cloudkill, grease, horror.
AoE crowd-control spells win any and every encounter.
>>334722374
You are right. What I meant to say was this:
The only reason I ever contemplated on playing a wizard with a skeleton arm, was so that I could bring dead fathers, mothers, sons and daughters back to their families.
But since there is no arm, I cannot do that.
>>334722445
Slander.
>>334722874
Elaborate why you think it's better than previous editions.
>>334722896
>not playing a lawful good skeleton paladin
>try to turn few zombies
>self explode
>>334722902
>elf-fag defending skeletons
Next you will be saying the Kender dindu nuffin. I bet the Golems are behind this.
>>334722763
>You didn't ask a question.
Please learn to read before trying to post on 4chan. >>334720149
>Also spamming at-will powers is a fact.
It's a fact that it's possible, but that doens't mean it's what combat is all about. Unlike 3.x, which is all about spamming one attack (either you stand still and Full Attack all day, or you Charge all day to stack them bonuses) for non-casters.
>something I threw in as an exaggeration
Making shit up only hurts your point, so next time try not to lie when people ask you a question. And all your other complaints made no sense either.
>stop riding on it so much
I'm not "riding" anything, I'm just pointing out that the your arguments are bullshit. If you can't handle that, you should try not to lie next time.
>struggle with Draconis for several hours
>fuck it
>stack horrid wiltings on two of my mages contingencies
>Draconis instagibbed
I still have no idea how this game works. It just does.
>>334723048
the tl;dr is that the core design philosophy for 5th ed was to go with improved game flow and I feel that they did a great job at streamlining the experience without sacrificing depth. This is streamlining done right, not dumbing down.
-I like what they did with the classes. They updated them and made them all feel fun and unique with fun twists in mechanics to add flavor and less homogenized.
-Lots of Feats have been thrown out the window because of how banal 50% of them were. No one cares about a Feat that gives you +1 to Save throws vs traps. Instead Feats now are more meaningful where they act as bigger game changers for your characters instead of being more miniscule improvements that you pile upon your character.
-The updated Vancian magic system is genius, imo. Instead of having a bunch of variants of the same spells (Cure Light Wounds, Cure Moderate Wounds etc.) you instead have one spell that can be memorized in different level slots and that will improve the spell (a heal spell memorized in a level 1 slot heals 1d8, in a level 2 slot heals 2d8 etc.)
-WotC are bringing back all the cool but niche settings for 5th ed which have been getting shoved around since 3.X ed. Dark Sun and Ravenloft have their own flavor books again.
>>334723697
>Time Stop
>Improved Alacrity
>Muda da
>Spell trigger breach, lower resistances, pierce magic
>Horrid wiltings, magic missiles, fire arrows, desintegrate
How is that Sword Coast Legends game?
It's 5e, right? Are there any good guides or build tips?
>>334723106
>crowded skeleton market
>a skeleton is moving between the crowd nervously
>he stops, doesn't take a deep breath and shouts
TORM AKHBAR! TAKTYR!
>15 + 2d6 skeletons dead
>>334724124
Under average i'd say. Has nothing to do with D&D other than the setting and it plays more like an action game like Diablo
>>334724124
The company folded so don't expect any updates. It's not 5th ed, they did a bait and switch with the advertising. It's a straight up action game inspired by D&D. I'd say that the Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance games are closer to the actual D&D rules than SCL is. I wouldn't bother with the game, it's garbage. Monsters scale to your level, so unless you're OK with level 1 Beholders, avoid.
>>334724489
That sounds absolutely horrible.
What does WotC have to say about that?
They advertise it as a D&D game and use a shitty custom system?
Good Turn Based > RtWP > Realtime > Bad Turn Based
Debate me
>>334724691
WotC seems to license out their games to any shovelware developer, just like Games Workshop, so as long as they get a small buck from it I guess they don't care? Most D&D computer games are trash and the fact that we ever got any good ones seems to be a miracle in itself.
>>334724996
>Good Turn Based
>Bad Turn Based
What's the difference?
>>334724996
What aboutphase based? And what do you mean by bad turn based?
>>334724010
>>Improved Alacrity
I really miss fast casting in NWN/NWN2.
At least Haste gives you two spellcasts a round in NWN1, but they nerfed even that in NWN2 and it's strictly one spell a round. Buffing up takes ages.
>>334725052
One is good and the other isn't.
>>334706976
> What I don't like nor understand is mediocre and everyone should hate it.
No one cares though.
>tfw we will never get a D&D 5e game that plays like Divinity Original sin but with square tiles
>>334725052
The difference is Silent Storm vs Final Fantasy
>>334725372
>squares
>not hexagons
>>334725454
the only turn based FF games out there are FF1 & 10 tho. 2 games out of a series that spans up until 14 + all the spinoffs is not a good representitive of bad turn based gameplay. Besides, FF1 and FF10 had the best combat gameplay.
>>334724010
Improved alacrity is only good with that cheat robe from the shop.
You aren't cheating are you?
>>334725454
shit you got point
>>334707583
Deus Ex is literally more RPG than 99% of rpgs. Your actions have far more consequence to the game story than many others.
>but it still railroads you somewhat blah blah
Welcome to the imperfection of having a computer play the role of GM.
>>334726396
You can't make your own character though.
>>334726396
By your definition the only thing that separates an RPG and a non-RPG is the ability to have impact on the story. So what about people who play ready modules or adventures on PnP? They aren't playing an RPG then?
>>334725372
I fucking hate grid based combat.
>>334698137
I played a lot of NWN, NWN2 and so on but I found BG to be totally unplayable vanilla and the enhanced edition which I refunded, I don't know what I mods or whatever you need to make the game playable but BG belongs in 1998 and there's no point in playing something so janky and limited.
>>334725901
The most fun is with 2 rings of wizardry. Then you remember 30 magic missles on you wizard and spam it al lat one second.
In BG1 the worst cheat was to cast sequencers with to webs and then cast some more webs so that enemies are eternally held when you shoot them down.
>>334726602
Most unluckyfor you
>>334725901
What cheat robe, good man? I haven't used any kind of cheat in that game so I wouldn't know.
>>334726594
What? PNP is precisely the ideal. The GM has unlimited freedom to change the story based on how the players role play their character.
>>334726712
It's the one that gives -4 cast speed or something like that. You can get it in the special adventure mart shop.
Anyone else felt bad for killing dragons in BG2?
None of them are immediately hostile to you (mixed raced retards Aboogazil and his mentally challenged son do not count), and apart from Firkraag none are even evil. Yet I killed them all. John, you are the monsters.
Just started to install BG1 and BG2 following this guide:
https://www.gog.com/news/enhance_the_gameplay_in_your_edition_of_baldurs_gate_from_gogcom
Last time I played was with EasyTutu couple of years ago. Should I stick with guide in link or switch back to EasyTutu?
>>334726901
Robe of Vecna is canon and the bonus merchant is part of the game.
>>334726894
Without role playing, RPGs are baby mode tactical simulations. With aesthetic glossed on
>>334727000
BGT is fine too.
>>334726901
Ohhh, but that's not cheating, my friend. You don't need to input a code to buy them~
>>334726901
Hardly a cheat considering that late game you cast everything through chain contingencies and spell triggers anyway. The robe's only useful when you play solo sorcerer
>>334726894
That's not how modules and ready adventures work. And even then, that's a pipe dream. Most GM's run heavily railroaded adventures or give the illusion of choice, because _true freedom_ is still incredibly had to pull off in PnP without the game derailing and becoming an aimless snoozefest.
>>334727000
I prefer EasyTutu. I like the games being kept separate.
>>334726607
>played a lot of NWN
>finds BG clunky and dated
umm what
>>334726607
Pleb
BG has aged extremely well
>>334726994
>None of them are immediately hostile to you
Firkraag was hostile. Don't want to explain because of spoilerinos
>and apart from Firkraag none are even evil
Isn't the shadow dragon evil? Or is that technically a neutral plane? Two neutral planes? Positive/negative energy?
>>334727003
>>334727126
>>334727281
>p2w planescape promotional shop
>not cheating
>>334728250
>p2w with ingame gold
Do you even realize your own stupidity?
>>334702428
PLS RESPOND
