>Video games are art
How can you be so deluded and childish to believe this claim?
Anything in life can be art, it all depends if it's high art and actually means something to you.
Art is subjective
>>334675735
Because im deluded and childish
>>334675801
>Anything in life can be art
Stop
>>334675809
Your opinion is objectively wrong
>>334675880
You're objectively a faggot
>>334675809
quantum mechanics is subjective
art is anything that is expressing, or can be interpreted as expressing, something.
I believe what you meant to say was that video games are not high art.
>>334676095
That's not a counter-argument friend
>>334675829
Stop saying things that confuse me.
Anything created by humans is art
This post is art
>>334677127
I took a dump today, is that art?
Why isn't it can't be art?
>>334677169
Yes, frame it
>>334677127
This reply is found art.
And/or ekphraisis
>>334677127
>Anything created by humans is art
-things twats say
>>334675735
Because i'm a filthy aesthetic relativist so I consider literally anything to be art.dadaism best artistic movement
>>334677184
Because video games are toys for children. Your wife's son's Tickle-Me-Elmo is not art, so why are video games?
>>334675735
People push for it here because the US goooooooberment caaaaaaaaaaaaan't ceeeeeensor theeeeem if theyyey are arrrrt.
>>334677295
painting, coloring, drawing etc. are toys for kids too.
>>334677295
Kids can into art. Did you never go to school?
>>334677406
No they aren't
anything can be art. as i post this there's a crucifix bottled inside a jar of human piss on display in art museums, it's called piss christ and i'm not fucking joking. the problem is that "art" is usually used as a defense mechanism against criticism by hipster indie faggots which is funny enough the exact opposite of how it's supposed to work. games can hypothetically be considered art but the thought process of them being so is so cancerous it's lead to almost nothing but shit games from those who believe it.
>>334677295
>Implying that toys can't be art.
>>334677492
Then why do so many kids use deviantart?
>>334677492
what sort of shitty school did you go to that didn't have regular art lessons?
>>334675735
Nothing deludes about it.
If they feel it took a creative mind to think up yhe concept, it literally follows the definition of 'art'.
Now go fuck yourself, you uneducated swine.
Humans are art created by The Lord
Anything created by us is an extension of his will
Praise Him
>>334675916
/thread
>>334677602
Art class isn't a toy
Movies can be art
Comics can be art
Books can be art
Why not video games? Because they are mostly played by kids? Then you don't know what art mean.
>>334677684
This, but unironic.
If a human makes something, it's art.
Simple as that.
>stop enjoying your fucking life and grow up
>>334677127
fucking millennials
>>334675735
Art.
noun
1.
the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
Not all videogames are art, but videogames can be art. Stop shitposting and start using your brain more.
>>334677698
>>334677492
>>334675735
If video games are art, it's amazing how normies pay $60 for a single interactive experience that they don't try to savor. They just consume without understanding. "it's something to do"
My issue is unlike movies that are like $15 and less on DVD, video games could be so much more than they are now. Literally endless opportunities for people to create characters, stories, plots that transcends what a book can do. But the industry wants that creative "le it's art, shitlord!" line to be drawn NOW, when garbage after garbage is being shoved in our face with hipsters saying it's a literary masterpiece that we just don't understand because we're sexist.
The gaming industry's still so new for this to be considered art. A LOT of games don't make you think or feel. You don't feel for the characters, plot, or feel for the "artist" who created the work.
>>334677814
I think 37+ is a bit too old for /v/
Art? More like Fart!! Fuck video games amirite guys?
>>334678029
Stop generalizing. Consumable videogames aren't art. They're like shitty movies. Games that people go back to play again and again are.
>>334677958
Not a toy, its a device to create art
>>334678121
>I'm still technically young according to Anon
Wew, lad. Dodged a bullet there.
>>334678153
It's funny because the only games I can reliably think back on as being pushed for art and the whole art agenda in whole was walking simulators that can only be played through once.
>>334678182
Yeah, take a look at this piece of high art!
>>334678261
That's like the morons that try to pass any random garbage as art in museums nowadays. Ignore them. History will put them in their places.
>>334675735
How can you be so deluded and childish to think that art is an indicator of quality and sophistication?
>>334675735
Some video games can be considered "art", the problem is traditional art today is a farce so even talking about what is and isn't is a moot point.
>>334677586
That's because it was transformed into a visual medium. You can make a statue representing the futility of technology out of Leisure Suit Larry discs, it doesn't mean Leisure Suit Larry is art.
>>334678370
Oh, okay.
>>334678370
Marcel Duchamp's 'Fountain' is nearing its 100th birthday. If you think 'random garbage' as art is a passing fad, you're in for some disappointment.
Can my cat be art?
>>334678598
Idk post a picture of it
>>334675735
>Narrative = Art
>Visuals and aesthetics = Art
>Music = Art
But somehow when you add all of these things together you apparently get something that isn't art?
>>334678404
Why isn't it?
Bioshock Infinite is "art"
But still a shit shooting game
>>334675735
>Colors on paper is art
>>334675735
>>334678723
Because normalfags think anything that's art is a measure of its sophistication/refinement
>>334678573
I had never even hear of that garbage. Unfortunately, due to the internet shit takes longer than it used to to be forgotten, but other than maybe being regarded as part of the dark ages of sculpturing, I doubt anybody will remember garbage like that further down the line.
>>334678795
I'm not going to answer that. Every time this topic comes up on /v/, it immediately degrades into a semi-ironic 'what is art' discussion. If you think Leisure Suit Larry is art, this conversation is going nowhere.
>>334678709
I don't know
>>334678723
Clearly interactivity is not art
>>334678723
Because the mainstream doesn't see it like that, apart from garbage like Skyrim. They just like fun gameplay and can ignore story, graphics, music. PEOPLE STILL ignore story, graphics, music willingly and compromise as long as the game is fun.
"art" is just a buzzword -- and even a "safe space" today
art has gone downhill as soon as manet (not mOnet, mouth-breathers) presented his "luncheon" piece. that was the birth of modernism. it started out okay
it really hit the fan around post-modernism and dada, and got even worse with post-post-modernism as the result of all the dada
"art" isn't really worth your time these days. it's fine if you want to look at old pieces and dig up its contents and historical significance, but you really shouldn't bother with today's standards
i'd recommend an "art" where you exert your body physically; golf, for example
>>334679024
>golf
>>334678948
>yeah ill present a claim
>b-but don't ask for justification!
>>334675735
>>334678404
>That's because it was transformed into a visual medium
>>334678945
Dadaism is an important aspect of art history as a transitory step into Postmodernism, and that work is one of its most famous (and infamous) examples, which is exactly the intent of the piece, and why, despite everyone wishing it were otherwise, it succeeds as a work of art.
So it's going to be remembered.
The only way you believe games are art is if you think modern story-heavy, shit control garbage "games" are actually games.
>>334675735
Art is everything man-maded. Therefore games is art.
>>334678948
There is no valid argument to support why video games aren't art. There is only "Because I don't want them to be."
>>334679314
Ok, that one piece will be remembered as the thing that ruined art forever, but nothing else from that period will, because it's all fucking trash.
all entertainment is art
that was easy.
>>334679115
It wasn't something I thought anyone was going to need justified to them, but I overestimate my audience sometimes.
>let's players are entertainers
>>334675735
This. /v/ is mostly manchildren /v/ is mostly manchildren and underage so of course they'll bitch when their toys will never reach the caliber of pieces like this
>>334675735
>Guaranteed Replies: The Post
>>334679402
I can tell you're very well educated on the subject of art-history.
>>334679440
by definition, it is. i think all people know this. the ones who deny it are just out the get the smug artfags who feel the need to proclaim and argue for the "sake" of art
>>334679478
literally 4 squares
>>334679440
Are sports art? Are board games art? Is partying art?
>>334675735
I don't believe it.
There is art in video games, making video games is an art. Playing video games however is mostly consuming media but mainly training your skills by following the rules of the game mechanics and trying to beat the game.
Driving your car isn't art.
Doing your job isn't art.
Eating isn't art.
Sleeping isn't art.
Taking a shit isn't art.
The only thing you do in your life that could remotely be considered art is shitposting on 4chan.
This is /v/ - Video Games and not /v/ - Pretentious Art Lovers United
>>334677169
yes, modern art.
I always see people saying "i-it's not art" but they never give a reason why it isn't.
>>334675735
>mfw millennials think vidya is even in the same league as this
>>334679562
I sure am. I remember Donatello and Michelangelo. And not only because of the Ninja Turtles.
>>334679113
hey, man, i recently learned how to control a slice. it's beautiful to see the ball line the course of a curved course, as it rolls right on the middle of the fairway -- and i'm the one who caused that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk-vJHjiXfE
>>334679675
sports are entertainment where the people with most virtuous bodies make the most aesthetic and visually pleasing plays
board games arent really entertainment so much as spending time with other people is, its just something to do socially.
Partying is again social act.
>>334679773
>>334679685
PLAYING video games is not an art, the video games themselves are art.
Just because something is art doesn't automatically make it good or significant.
People giving a fuck what people that don't play video games think about them is why we're in this mess of everyone getting outraged at shit like Bayonetta.
>>334679874
Usually people just warp the semantics of art to fit their argument, but you've managed to throw in entertainment as well. Good job, friendo.
>>334675735
>smear shit on a canvas: art
>spend years slaving away at something which actually shows a hint of creativity: not art
OP, art doesn't mean beautiful, meaningful or even thought-provoking. The word 'art' lost that power a long time ago. You could largely blame college students for that.
I think what you meant to say was "Video games are fine art". Which they aren't. But then, no one says they're fine art, so your thread is pointless.
>>334677169
>>334677258
>>334677814
/v/ is really showing their age today. Why doesn't anyone know what fine art is anymore? Guess the digital age and the invention of the graphics tablet has brought about a wave of stupidity and ignorance.
>>334679685
No one's arguing that playing videogames is art only that it's retarded to disregard the actual medium itself because it doesn't occupy some preconceived notion of art's "sophistication"
>>334680025
>"Video games are fine art". Which they aren't.
Enlighten us.
>>334675735
>Video games are not art
How can you be so stuck up to make that claim?
>I don't take video games seriously!
>My opinion matters!
>Stop liking what I don't like!
Fuck off and go hop in Ebert's grave if you like him so fucking much.
>>334679960
in the end its people interacting with people, occupying their minds, rising emotions and so on
>>334680145
Why are they fine art?
>>334680238
You presented the claim that they weren't, burden of proof is on you
While I will agree that to claim vidya is, in general, art is asinine, one must also accede to the observation that vidya can and in the past has been used as a medium for artistic works.
You call the painting art, not the paints.
>>334675829
Just because anything can be art doesn't mean it is good art. Some (The vast majority) is pure garbage. Doesn't mean it's not.
>>334680296
Incorrect. The one taking the affirmative stance is the one with burden of proof.
>>334680335
>"the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges."
>>334680335
So you have no argument whatsoever. You are incapable of defending your own thoughts. Ok, fuck off then.
>>334675735
The question of whether or not video games are art, while debatable, is not the provocative question that people assume it is because art has multiple, often conflicting definitions, so it often becomes the case in these discussions that there are multiple arguments that have become mutually unintelligible to one another.
The more important question is whether or not video games should be treated with the same respect as other media such as film and literature in terms of their cultural significance. This is what some people mean when they ask 'are video games art,' but we can't be sure of this, so it is important to define the scope of the question.
>>334681112
>such as film and literature in terms of their cultural significance.
Also important to remember that vidya is a relatively new medium so it hasn't had enough time to accurately gauge it's cultural impact
>>334681331
I wouldn't start now on the actual discussion. This thread's already fucked. I'm just pointing out how we can avoid this next time in case anyone is paying attention.
Videogames are art.
Now that that's established. What does it fucking matter anyway? Does the word art carry any fucking weight for anyone besides rich snobs trying to show off their collection to their fellow rich snobby friends?
>>334681432
>I'm just pointing out how we can avoid this next time in case anyone is paying attention.
Sure but it won't do anything. It'll just be ignored next time a similar thread pops up. No one replies to well reasoned posts because they typically lack buzzwords and are hard to shitpost against
>>334681481
It gives validity to the bullshit notion that modern games are good.
Old games aren't art because they're games. New "games" are art because they're barely games.
>>334681665
I'm honestly telling myself as much as anyone else since I'll admit I too got bogged down in this pedantic clusterfuck of a discussion even though I ought to know better by now.
>>334679928
>PLAYING video games is not an art
Depends on the game and how you play it. Getting 35 million score in Ikaruga IS art.
