I have never played a more mechanically shit game than this
Terrible framerate, awful controls, doesn't even look that good
It's kinda fun I guess, but why is it so highly regarded?
>>334668997
Play the remaster on PS3.
You're not....poor are you?
Cinematic experience done right
How many call of duty games you own?
It's a 14 years old game, shut the fuck up.
>being this underage
This game made me question my actions, almost broke me
>>334669117
/thread.
>>334669186
Doesn't stop faggots from complaining about Ocarina of Time when it's nearly 20 years old. Newfags are bat at vidya, have shit taste, and try to play retro for 5 minutes, then watch a few lets plays and skip around and think they have "the jist of it" and then proceed to shitpost here thinking that it makes them appear to have good taste.
Fucking. Disgusting.
>>334668997
>Roger Ebert says that shadow of the colossus can nont possibly be considered art
How does this make you feel /v/?
>>334668997
play more games dawg
>>334669562
I don't know who that is
>>334669562
>Listening to Roger Ebert
>>334669562
He's right, but games as good as SotC & MGS3 are closest we're going to get.
Also, who?
>>334669562
A
Meme
Critic
Thinks
A
Thing
And he's so obviously wrong. All Vidya is art. It's as art as any other art. There's just a lot of bad vidya.
>>334669562
Considering that he's dead and pretty much became irrelevant during the last few years of his life, I don't care.
Also he had shit taste. He specifically hated the movie Blue Velvet because he felt Isabella Rossellini was treated poorly by having to play the character Dorothy even though she consented to it and didn't mind. AKA Ebert was just sweet on Isabella Rossellini and was upset that David Lynch was hitting it but he wasn't.
>>334669104
Is it any better?
I like the game it's just hard to play
>>334669562
I honestly don't care about it being considered art but even if I did I'd be hard-pressed to take seriously the opinion of a guy who thought the Star Wars prequels were good.
>>334669117
Wouldn't the correct term just be "atmospheric"? SotC wouldn't work at all as a movie without feeling rushed unless it was one colossus per movie
>>334670385
>Hard.
>>334670617
No, he's right. You're smalltime if you believe a cinematic experience is tied to a script.
>>334670896
I didn't mean hard as in difficulty/dying a lot.
I mean that it feels like I'm controlling it with one of those fucking crane machine things in slow motion.
Maybe I'm just retarded.
>>334669562
how come none of you read his retraction of that?
just crave shitposting?
>>334671035
Well, that's for every 3D game m8, not necessarily bad. At least to me.
>>334669974
Games are NOT art
They are fucking GAMES retard, is soccer art too huh
>>334669562
http://www.gamesradar.com/roger-ebert-i-was-wrong-i-dont-have-enough-experience-of-games/
:^)
>>334671417
That is not a good analogy. It being interative does not mean is not art.
>>334671803
The question is pointless. Art as we acknowledge is ruined thanks to the likes such as Warhol.
>>334669104
>>334670385
the mechanics are fucked up in the ps3 version
>>334668997
>why is it so highly regarded?
It's artistic, you wouldn't understand.
>>334672067
>ruined
No, it was an important question at the time, specially since the creation of photography and hiperrealistic painting visual representation reached it's limit.
>be a fine artist/illustrator
I still have no idea what the fuck people mean when they say video games are/aren't art.
>>334672498
Yeah, you see, for something born from the creativity, art has no boundaries. Again; it's pointless.
>>334671803
>It being interative does not mean is not art.
Uh yeah it fucking does, art is suppose to interpreted by people not played like a toy
>>334672821
Performance art is usually interactive for example. It surely is not traditional art, but art indeed.
>>334672607
>when they say video games are/aren't art.
The debate is basically about if games are technical creations, like computer software, or artistic creations, like a novel.
>>334673010
>Performance art
Nah, that's shit. Creepy shit.
>>334673256
You don't liking it doesn't make it not art.
>>334673256
Ok mr.underage
>>334673353
You liking it a lot doesn't make it anything art.
It's a pretty cool tech demo but not a very good game. Most Collosi are just one-note puzzles that usually involve waiting for them to do a certain move. Despite how big and intimidating they are there's not much chance of dying thanks to how slow they are in comparison to your generous regenerating health bar that you can even increase the length of.
>>334673095
I still don't understand. They're not mutually exclusive- like science/math and art, they inform and influence one another. Is it non-STEM and non-art people saying this?
>>334673010
>>334673353
Except they aren't interactive and are just stuff you watch and interpret
>>334673845
So PS4 games are art then?
>>334673810
>I still don't understand. They're not mutually exclusive
Hurray! You solved the puzzle! Now just explain this to everyone else who argues about it.
>>334673095
>A debate to deny facts.
Why it doesn't surprise me people were trying to make videogames art, then?
>>334673904
Kek.
>>334668997
because its ambitious, creative and artful
really effective soundtrack too
You're missing out if you don't play on PS3
>>334673845
There are many performance artists that interact with the audience, I won't spoon feed you, you can look it up.
These op posters are testing my patience tonight.
>>334671417
You do not create football in the same manner you do a video game - Football is strictly played, video games are weaved together and become a greater sum by small pieces. Your comparison is completely nonsensical, and you should feel bad about it, anon.
Take this into consideration as well: Video games, even if you regard it not as art, have components of art. Music, acting, the concept drawings behind the world that is crafted, these are all art, so video games consists of art, and does that not make it so?
Really, though, how adamant you feel about video games not being art, is really only based on the cringe worthy connotation it brings with it. I understand your apprehension, because of all these pretentious pseudo-intellectuals and their insistence that being art makes something inherently more valuable. Remember, art is just the definition we use to describe something created by humans, mostly driven by creativity
>>334674251
>performance art
>art
>>334674456
>Video games, even if you regard it not as art, have components of art. Music, acting, the concept drawings behind the world that is crafted, these are all art
Football players have logos on their jerseys. It doesn't mean football is art.
Face it, the comparison has completely dismantled your argument.
>>334668997
>Terrible framerate
Yeah, it can drop pretty low sometimes.
>Awful controls
Hardly. The controls actually felt like i aa hanging on for dear life.
>Doesn't even look that good
That's just plain wrong.
>>334669562
Who gives a shit about games being art? I don't play them for their artistic integrity, i play them for fun.
Ico is the better game. Shadow of the Colossus can't keep up the pace, it's too boring
>>334671417
>movies = art
>music = art
>interactive art = art
>a combination of these elements = not art
???
>>334674693
True enough. Disregarding this, however, still brings us back to the creation of a video game. How is this process not art, but writing a book, filming a film and playing music is considered so?
How would you define art, anon? the actual, clear cut definition of art seems elusive to me
I played the PS3 remaster of it and I still consider it one of the best looking games I've ever played. The smoother frame rate and resolution increase was all that the game needed to really shine.
I wanted to love this and ico so bad but the combat ruined it. Everything was so good, I just couldn't do it.
>>334674456
>Take this into consideration as well: Video games, even if you regard it not as art, have components of art. Music, acting, the concept drawings behind the world that is crafted, these are all art, so video games consists of art, and does that not make it so?
This is something those shit lords don't want to understand; none of those features are part of the core of videogames.
Even more; Can be something pointed as art when it was conceived for entertainment only and nowadays is more business than the entertainment?
I'm FUCKING sure it can't.
daily reminder Ico was meant for PS1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq9oCaYlBlE
daily reminder SOTC was initially a co-op game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeBpRiWGdWg
daily reminder you can ride the birds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-VlrkbTRmkdaily reminder TLG is never coming out :(
thanks for reminding me to go through ico/sotf again op
>>334675073
why are you so sure?
are you an art expert?
>>334674456
somebody created football at some point. same with chess, which is also a game.
you can play chess on the computer, on your playstation and on your phone. so is chess not art? what is the difference between chess in real life and chess on a digital screen?
>>334675073
>Even more; Can be something pointed as art when it was conceived for entertainment only and nowadays is more business than the entertainment?
Exactly like movies, some are art some are not.
>>334675073
Do you think Mozart composed his shit for free?
Do you think he wasn't composing it for the primary purpose of entertaining his patron?
I just wanna play The Last Guardian..
Ueda has been dicking us around long enough
>>334675137
Are you? Because DaVinci was an artist and the nigger didn't made it for money, that's history class from a textbook.
When the game came out if was something pretty new for kids at the time, and they were all used to sometimes wonky PS2 controls. This was the time when "Triangle" was still used as the "Back" button rather than the now more appreciated "X/O" system.
Replaying this game now, yeah it's pretty garbage. Despite the atmosphere and feel of the bosses the game doesn't hold up. Majority of kids today would get piss bored.
Not because they want to go back to GTA5, but pretty much because there's nothing unique about the game anymore. "Cinematic experiences" are pretty common now.
Stuff like Journey captivates kids now rather than SoTC.
>>334675106
>You Were There
fuck.. that track. Ico is a game that makes me realize why I like video games
>>334675147
what happens when a game takes on a narrative?
>>334675275
>and the nigger didn't made it for money
I'm sure that his Patron would have liked to know that.
>>334675157
I was expecting that answer; because it's utterly retarded.
Movies are art or at least they were before Hollywood fucktards things up.
>>334675106
>the announced it for PS4 only to cancel it again
>>334675106
>daily reminder Ico was meant for PS1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq9oCaYlBlE
Fucking hell, that looks very ambitious for a PS1 game. It's almost graphically on par with the PS2 version.
>>334675106
daily reminder the TR reboot started as a SOTC clone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR2DDLyAQ4E
>>334675423
I want to know that as well.
>>334675073
How do you define art, anon? It seems completely arbitrary at this point
>>334675459
>Literally no counter argument
????
It's not like hollywood make ALL the movies, also, there are movies that can be considered art made in hollywood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzDl2THyF4w
will Shadow of the Colossus 1.2 be good?
>>334671417
>"If it doesn't fit within my narrow definitions of something it isn't true."
>>334675697
>western made game
obviously not
>>334675706
>im a pansexual gender fluid btw guiz :)
>the way this colossi screams
I wonder if it was intentional to make you feel bad for killing them. They're so slow and don't give that much damage.
>>334675673
That's exactly my point, ergo pointless.
>>334675685
No, it just ruined the potential for it. Also it became the focus.
>>334675697
its profound just how many games are influenced by team ico
clear ripps like this are retarded though, you lose the imagination those games had and invite comparisons which your game won't live up to
anyway, in a similar vein i think WiLD looks cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZwCLfTvmXo
>>334676159
>No, it just ruined the potential for it. Also it became the focus.
No, film was born like that, from the start it was just entertainment people went to see. Both in europe and in USA. Actually it had the same discussion as videogames are getting through.
>>334676268
Yeah, pretty excited for WiLDAlso giant snake tiddies
>>334676054
> I wonder if it was intentional to make you feel bad for killing them
oh gee i wonder
>Play SoTC/ICO remake years after PS2 release because I didn't have a PS2 then
>Made the mistake of playing this "gem" after already playing "Journey", "Flower" and other "Cinematic" games based more on captivating the player through the story than the gameplay
Doesn't hold up that well.
>>334676819
Ico might not, but SotC is still a fucking great experience.
Shame Bluepoint couldn't fix the grip issues with 60fps. It's a huge pain.
>>334676363
Yeah, because a recording of a train coming at you was really entertaining those people.
Entertainment means money.
I love the game,
Ive gone back to play it every month or so after getting it on ps3 last year
I have all the items apart from the parachute and even climbed to the garden.
I have read and watched all of nomads stuff and even do some exploring of myself
But i still dont get any of this "feel bad for killing them" thing.
whats up with that
>>334669186
It's 11 years old. 2005.
>>334676054
I surely enjoyed killing that annoying motherfucker the same with the tortoise-like one.
>>334677256
>feel bad for killing them
i suppose it's because a good number of them are generally not hostile or even docile. they only attack because you're fucking with them.
phalanx for example, never attacks you, he just flies around.
>>334677256
im planning on going through ico/sotc again now iv been reminded by this thread
> climbed to the garden
kek, so amazing when you discover those stupid lizards actually do something and find that place
have you played ico? the stories intertwinecant remember tbqh, but you're made to feel bad because you're a selfish prick, just killing all these godlike creatures of the land who rarely want to hurt you just to save ur bitch, then at the ending when u turn into one, get rekt by the eldars and turn into a baby or something, that is your punishment.. which leads into ico - where you're wearing horns as a symbol of your evil, but redeem yourself by saving the girl? the ico beach, turtle, watermelon, secret garden, bridge, eldars..etc are all from ico i think
>>334677256
because they are beautiful and majestic, they only attack you when you invade their territory, some only attack after you harm them first, and some of them are entirely non-aggressive like the sky wurm and eel
>>334668997
I never used the horse because the camera was too fucking annoying.
>muh instant gratification
fuck off, you kike-washed shits. in SotC, it is your reward to face those colossi. you're aren't entitled to anything else
>>334677462
> the tortoise-like one
this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKmbeFg2ru4
>terrible frame rate
Actually true, thankfully this was fixed on the remaster
>Awful controls
Just because it doesn't control like mario doesn't mean its shit. The controls were responsive, but deliberately clunky.
They clearly wanted to simulate the feeling of disempowerment, the idea that wander isn't a super soldier, just a normal guy. Not every game needs to be fast and arcadey.
>why is it so highly regarded?
Above all else it was just really original, there hasn't been a game like it since. If anything I can say it's one of the bravest games made, games now try desperately to market it's spectacle and the amount of content but SOTC had the balls to ditch all that and just give us boss enemies and an otherwise empty map.
>shadow of the colossus is so unforgivably easy that it overshadows any worth I could have taken from the game otherwise
>even after reaching B+ with vega on all version of street fighter IV, I do not understand any important concepts and haven't practiced or memorized any combos
>I played undertale for the first time last week and enjoyed it
>when I make a new world in minecraft, I make a square house, explore until I find diamonds, and stop playing
>I still watch AVGN and other content on cinemassacre
>I still watch old episodes of the nostalgia critic, and have done so little with my life that I gain perspective on how much time has passed by when critic episodes were released
>for as long as I can remember, I would get these horrible, creeping on my skin feelings that I killed someone when I was a small child, and I don't know why, until recently
>there is an abandoned garage down my road, it has been abandoned since I was a small child, but we all used to slip in through a gap in the gate. there was a manhole we used to open up that lead into a tiny, stinky room with sewage flowing through it through little barred grates. the garage was full of old trash, and one day, we realized a sofa was full of stolen muggers loot, like phones and wallets. my friend wouldn't let me take a certain wallet, so I got him to climb down the manhole and covered it up. a few days later he was declared missing, police checked around, they never checked the garage.
>it was only last year I remembered all this, I must have blocked it out, but now I remember. when I checked the garage, which is still abandoned, his little skeleton was there and it was the most rancid, terrifying, thing I ever saw or smelled. I have not told anyone about this.
>I make stuff up on the internet
All Jap shit is overrated here.
>>334677819
No one cares faggot
>>334677819
the fuck you on about
This whole thread and beaten-to-death debate are utterly pointless.
If I want to interpret Shadow of the Colossus as a piece of art, then I will. I will pay money for it, enjoy playing it, talk about it, muse over how it utilizes the pairing of narrative and game mechanics in order to create an empathetic response in players, and there isn't a thing anyone could say to make me think otherwise.
I see it as art because I give it value. I don't just mean monetary value either. If an object or thing created by a human has the ability and intent to stir something inside of a person, then I believe it to potentially be art.
Like >>334674456 said, just because you don't want to associate your hobby with pretentious assholes, doesn't make a video game not art.
>>334677125
>awesome technology that allows you to capture shit as moving pictures for the first time
>people weren't hyped for it, they were too busy being pretentious
>>334668997
say what you want but that OST is GOAT.
>>334677573
>have you played ico?
yes.
>the stories intertwinestories intertwine cant remember tbqh
the Beach you can see over at Western Cape is the beach from the ending of Ico,
and the big stone rings in the desert are the same kind of rings that are in Ico on that mission where you open them up to let light pass though
>>334677819
(you)
>>334668997
Your only valid complaint is the shit framerate and even then there exist a PS3 port that is rock solid 30fps @ 1080p.
Both the game and a PS3 are dirty cheap nowdays so you don't have an excuse other than being a casual with irredeemable shit taste.
>>334677695
> it is your reward to face those colossi
this. each is so unique right down to their location and personality.. i couldn't stop playing, i just had to find the next colossus each time and see what it would be
thats the mark of a great game world. where you cant stop exploring what it has to offer.
i didn't even know you could stand up on aggro, or lean off the side until i had completed the game twice, it never tells you. or that you could ride the birds/fish, or secret garden..etc.. incredible game
I'd like to see a remaster. 60 fps, redone textures and lighting, better camera and slightly tuned climbing mechanics, wander would sometimes not move/glitch out whenever transitioning between adjacent points
>>334678136
>where you cant stop exploring what it has to offer.
This, exploration is at its greatest when its out of your own genuine interest. After taking on the first few colossi I found myself not wanting the game to end because each was so unique in scale, behaviour, environment, visual design etc.
The actual map managed to have lots of personality and character despite literally consisting of nothing.
>>334678065
awesome. really looking forward to playing through them both again now, iv forgotten so much..
>>334677916
>This nigger is Implying seriously.
Kek but time to go to bed.
>>334677107
What happened with 60fps??
>>334678403
>already out of arguments
Cute.
>>334678332
these are really interesting stuff to watch from time to time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s25yQ7WCYtU
its quite amazing how little we really know about this game
>>334678302
team ico are so good at building a world that feels real. not tailored by the devs for the player but rather just a place you're put into and have to find your way.. open world was a great format for them, i wish there was more exploring in Ico because the world is just so nice to be in, but it was really cool that the whole castle was linked up
>>334678481
Dude that actually happened...
>>334668997
It's 60fps if you emulate it.
>>334678545
will check it out, i love the ico world
TLG when?
>>334668997
>awful controls
I used claw grip for the first time
>why is it so highly regarded
muh feels, atmosphere, exploration
>>334678332
oh yeah, also forgotall the kids having horns in ico are connected to (you) after being born with the hornsand the one that really got methe girl you saved in SotC is the Queen in ico
>>334678874
>the girl you saved in SotC is the Queen in ico
no she isn't
>>334678939
Not him, but I the thought crossed my mind
>>334678939
prove she isnt
or at least post more evidence than the amount of proving she is
>>334679101
>prove my nonsensical claim is wrong
It's nonsensical you autist. They look and act completely different and there's no reason to think they're the same person.
>>334679363
>someone looks and acts differently over time
wow, thats a good argument
prequelorsequelim betting on prequel as everything wooden instead of stone like the other games
>>334679363
did you think the 2 games are only like 3 years apart or something?
notice how the temple has literally hundreds of kids with horns?
>>334679660
maybe a prequel and the cat thing grows into one of the colossus you kill in sotc
>>334678136
>i didn't even know you could stand up on aggro, or lean off the side until i had completed the game twice, it never tells you. or that you could ride the birds/fish, or secret garden
the idea of instant gratification won't allow them to explore or try new things. i remember the term was pretty big only a few years ago. now, people have seemed to forget about it
>>334672181
This is true, but the game is still playable. Just play on an easier difficulty if things get too shitty.
For anyone wondering, I think he's referring to the fact that in the Remastered version, movement/shaking of the Colossi have a slightly greater effect on the main Character, so you find yourself flailing around while holding on for dear life more often.
A couple of the battles were so ridiculous that I Eventually looked online to see if something was up with the sensitivity of the shaking.
>>334681537
i didnt know about any of those till i decided to look into the achievements for once to see all the stuff like riding that one lard hawk and rising the fish and all the horse tricks.
first time i ever thought achievements were a neat thing
>>334669125
This
>>334668997
Get good faggot. You suck at the game is all
>>334674883
it's entertainment
>>334669104
I think the original PS2 version might actually be more expensive than the remake because of how rare and sought after it has become.
