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>on the front page of /r/gaming/ today
are they right?
Partially
While I'm glad games with a strong singleplayer are coming back, the whole belief by some developers and consumers that story is more important than gameplay is fucking stupid.
>>334645758
those aren't great stories though, what a bunch of faggots
>>334645758
How is this even possible?
You had one fucking job, make a thread.
You couldn't even do that right.
You fucking mention r/gaming.
It's in your first sentence, how do you fuck up this bad?
No one here is going to take you seriously, you plebbit piece of shit.
Lurk some more and just figure your shit out, faggot.
>>334645758
some of these are not like the others. I mean please don't compare fallout and skyrim to the last of us and the witcher. Please
>>334646304
>don't compare fallout and skyrim to the last of us and the witcher. Please
Why not? They're all garbage.
>>334645758
>Skyrim
>great story
kek.
No reason there can't be both multiplayer games and singleplayer games desu.
>>334645758
Go talk about that shit there instead of here than faggot.
>>334645758
>skyrim
>fallout 4
>great stories
AM I BEING TROLLED
>>334645758
TLoU
>anti-hero story that is otherwise unremarkable
TW3
>absolute shit tier ending that comes out of the blue and leaves a lot of shit hanging, self contained stories were top tier though, especially the DLC
Skyrim
>made absolutely no sense
Fallout 4
>made absolutely no sense
They're not right
>>334645758
bloodDBorne?
>>334645758
>Skyrim
>Fallout 4
>great stories
Trashed.
>Multiplayer
>Most of the time not very good, if not because the game is shit than because of the terrible community
>If the multiplayer is good then chances are 99% of the time it will be dead within a year
>Good single player campaign
>Keeps it's value no matter when you play it.
>>334645758
Why not read a book then?
>>334645758
>Bethshitsda games
>Great stories
>>334645758
>skyrim
>fallout 4
>not deus ex
>not alan wake
>shitty bethesda "RPGs"
>>334645758
Of those only TW3 has anything close to a great story. Fallout 4 and Skyrim in particular have some of the worst storylines in history.
>>334645758
This thread again? Really?
>>334645758
Witcher has good Writing, the story is meh
TLOU's story is pretty generic and other than the ending it's nothing special
Skyrim is a good idea with absolute trash execution
Fallout 4 is trash
>>334647338
Fallout 4 had the best story in the series so far, what are you smoking.
>>334647535
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY DID U HAVE TO REMIND ME? WHYYYY???????????
naughty dog used to be good, GOOD, back in the ps1/ps2 days, they are fucking trash now, they now represent everything that is wrong with game making
>>334647745
>trying this hard
>>334647338
Is Siege worth getting at the moment? It's like $40 USD
>>334647535
egh, ND's face heel turn towards their fans after Uncharted 2 is sickening. They're so detached from their audience and so easily manipulated by those with an agenda.
>>334645758
They all have horrible gameplay.
>>334648171
Neo-ND has never been attached with their audience, most of the talent left near the end of the 6th gen
Different Developers under the same name
No
You'll notice how even mediocre games are fun when played with friends. That's true for virtually every game ever made. You can look to just about any multiplayer game made in the last several years for proof.
The only people crusading against less multiplayer in games are being contrarian.
>>334647195
I can't choose how to kill if I read a book.
>>334648525
Co-op shenanigans can save even the worst of games, look at Borderlands
>>334648525
resident evil 6 with friends was one of my best gaming experiences in the last 5 years
>mfw people trash on RE6
>>334648686
Because it was garbo alone. When you have another person to share the experience with it immediately becomes 10x more enjoyable.
That aside, I don't understand why people seem to think that "multiplayer" and "good gameplay/story" are mutually exclusive. It's just... retarded. Why would anyone come to such an illogical conclusion?
I think the point they're trying to make is that multiplayer should never come at the expense of a campaign.
Wolfenstein TNO is a good example of this. It's not the greatest story ever told or anything but it's got a very good campaign and wasn't bogged down by having to make any considerations for multiplayer.
>>334645758
Cringey image but i agree with their point
>>334646726
Nerd
>>334645758
>/r/gaming
Halo 5 had a better story than Fallout 4, and Halo 5 was shit
>fallout 4
>skyrim
>having stories let alone great ones
*cringe*
>>334647786
Why did Jason Rubin leave?
>browsing reddit to complain about how shitty it is
>>334647535
>tfw they put based Amy through hell during Uncharted 3's development and made her jump through all sorts of inane storytelling hoops
>>334647195
If you care about gameplay, why not play a board game?
>>334649016
Was going to post this. It was a solid albeit unremarkable game that adding an MP mode would have only bogged it down.
Speaking of Wolfenstein, remember Wolfenstein 2009?Of course you don'tThat game had an outsourced MP mode that was so bad they may as well have just shipped without it.
>>334646752
this
>>334645758
Okay /v/. You get reincarnated as one of these characters. Who do you pick?
>>334645758
dude...Im frequently on reddit as well and Im at least unsubscribed from /r/gaming
JUST
But we do need multiplayer, we just need better multiplayer.
We also need better gameplay, gameplay to tell stories is fine, as long as you immerse the player in the world with gameplay, gameplay pushed aside for story telling is garbage, so last of us is literal video game cancer.
>>334649920
Have a (You)
>>334649853
the mass effect dude since he fucks all girls
unless cortana is somehow fuckable, then master chief
>>334648072
Idk I bought it a few months ago and I havent even opened it yet
Should I open it /v/?
>>334649976
wow thanks, enjoy the 4chan gold ;^)
>>334649853
Corvo obviously for dank supernatural powers + cute daughteru.
>>334649920
MODS
>>334649853
Dragonborn.
Comfy taverns and nothing happens if I stay in Whiterun banging nords.
Why do you retards even reply to this thread?
>>334646386
If you couldn't find any enjoyment out of any of those games you should find a new hobby.
>>334649853
All of them have had traumatic events in their lifes, multiple times, and they will never become as they were
except for the NCR ranger, i want to be THAT guy
>>334648072
its meh, only fun with friends type of game
terrible to play alone
I don't want a good story.
My favorite game of all time has a pretty barebones story. I just finished the sequel to it recently and it actually has a story. That shit drags it down.Not as hard as all the padding done to the game's length though jesus fucking christ
>>334645758
They see the symptoms but not the problem. Regardless of how shitty the writing may be, the problem is that AAA is becoming Hollywood, with giant budgets for samey games that 'only' break even at 10 million sales. Everyone knows it's unsustainable but casuals have gotten too used to the business model and getting muh graphix.
The old solution was to include both SP and MP modes so that both crowds would buy. This worked because overly linear games like point and clicks were simpler and often cheaper to make than the next 3D arena shooter, so it only ended up happening where it made sense to. A few games experimented with in game billboards (Don't forget, even HL1-based games put ads in your loading screens), but most of the time it fucks with muh immersion, Now it's about cutting out as much as possible to sell as DLC later on, or at least designing your game with endless loot in mind so DLC makes sense. Sometimes it's cosmetics that you used to unlock as achievements, sometimes it's entire maps. No doubt once the big publishers figure out how to do early access without having to give up money to Valve, Microsoft, or the like, they'll force whatever franchise is next in the pipeline to follow suit.
Just watch, Mass Effect 5 or whatever the fuck it gets called is going to be an 'evolving' storyline, claiming influence from Telltale and their 'choice-based, innovative storytelling'. In reality, they're just going to kill off the chick that gets fucked the most for the shock value.
>>334650164
The same reason retards on reddit made it the most upvoted post of the day.
>>334647916
This image makes me feel sick to my stomach.
>>334650093
You're putting to much effort into it.
I feel bad for every brain dead retard that needs an constant supply of replies. Someone may as well give you a doggy treat everytime anyone replies.
>>334645758
I want both.
>>334645758
We need great gameplay*
>>334645758
>Skyrim
>Good Story
>Fallout 4
>Good story
I have 500+ hours in Skyrim and 200+ in FO4, and I think i've beat the story in each only once, and I had to force myself. People play Bethesda games for the mods and exploration, not the god-awful stories.
>>334650174
There are videogames that aren't RPGs, you know.
>Skyrim
>great story
lol
for once r/gaming has good taste
>>334650519
It's strange to see a mushimeme here. That show deserves more recognition.
>le reddit is le bad xDDD
stop being such hypocrite crybabies. there's a lot of shit over there as much as there is over here. you just have to know where to look.
>>334645758
>Skyrim
>fallout 4
>The last of us
Yeah, sure, tell us when you find a game with a great story because those are all shit.
>>334645758
It's funny that the plebian population when pressed for examples of Greatness can only produce what is the most recent highly marketed product towards their lower class minds. It's like watching someone try to be a food critic when all they eat is McDonalds and Subway.
>>334645758
FO4 is the biggest piece of AAA shit in recent memory
Skyrim is a bigger piece of shit and the gameplay is shitty as fuck
>>334645758
>skyrim and Failout 4
That being said, they're missing the real problem here. Good story single-player games are one in a million at this point, but too many multiplayer/MMOs get shafted with a shitty 'everyone is the chosen one' bullshit story.
Sacrificing a world full of living players for a railroad to raiding is terrible.
>>334647535
TLOU isn't a bad game at all.
Its story isn't anything special though and I'll never understand why it's the focus any time it's brought up. The gameplay did a great job of giving a sense that you're just barely getting by with your resources and that you aren't just a robotic video game character since your aim is kinda shitty and it can be pretty hard to find the enemies in the first place (as long as you don't use detective vision)
>>334649853
Isaac Clarke tbph
>>334645758
We don't need great stories. We need great gameplay.
Games like DS3 and R&C are significantly more__funthan those
>>334650389
>I feel bad for every brain dead retard that needs an constant supply of replies
>replies
>Skyrim
>Fallout 4
>Good stories
TLOU story Isn't bad, It's like the vydia equivalent of The Road.
Haven't played The Witcher 3 so I can't comment on that.
>>334650659
Yeah, it's bizarre. It's one of my favorite shows but I've seen barely anything about it.
>>334650940
I spelt it right.
>>334650897
Different person, but the gameplay and combat are pretty good. The multiplayer was great as a result. But the single player was about 60% walking, talking, moving pallets and ladders, while the other 40% was fun combat.
Muh cinematic experience ruined what could have been a great game
>>334650947
No, TLOU's the video game equivalent of some shitty zombie movie because TLOU is a shitty zombie game about a literal sociopath who ruins humanity's last chance at life so he can force a young girl to act has his surrogate daughter.
And then it made the girl a lesbian in dlc because HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>334645758
>fallout 4
>skyrim
Jesus fucking christ
>>334645758
I read that as "We don't need great stories"
>>334645758
>fallout 4
>great story
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>334645758
While those might not be the best examples, I think multiplayer should be treated as an afterthought. A game should be able to stand on single player alone.
>>334646037
Witcher 3 had better sidequest than most games have full stories.
In fact witcher 3 had better side quests than the stories of the game that its pictured with in the op
>>334650978
It seems to be bigger in Japan, but I find that odd considering that out of all the anime I know, Mushishi should appeal to Western audiences more than any others. It even has American intro music.
>>334650176
What if the legion wins?
>>334651470
sorry wrong thread
>>334651470
Looks neat. Please don't add in cringey memes.
>>334645758
agreed
those games all had shit stories, we do need great ones
>>334645758
We need good Gameplay.
>>334651470
>le retro game! xD
it's shit
>>334645758
Kill yourself
>>334649853
even the font is perfect
/v/ says story means nothing and only gameplay matters but then says that undertale was goty 2015 cause much story and characters
>>334645758
>TLoU
It's alright.
>Witcher 3.
It's okay.
>Skyrim
What the fuck.
>Fallout 4
ARE YOU FUCKI
>>334652461
But anon, that game has more gameplay than most story-driven games out there.
>>334651118
he was saying that you're making fun of someone replying yet you're replying to them
not that hard
>US REAL nerds xDD
>real nerds want story over multiplayer xDD
>post shitty story games
I'd rather play black ops 3 over the last of us and fallout 4
>>334653810
>I'd rather play black ops 3 over the last of us and fallout 4
What the fuck, even TLoU and FO4 is more enjoyable than that trash.
>>334651348
To be fair, majority if games have much better stories than skyrim or f4
>>334653226
Choose win you win isn't a game to me
>>334645758
>>139138556
Skyrim had a great story, it was just rushed and an essential part of telling a story through a videogame, the gameplay, was lacking. It's pretty moving when you get involved with the lore, like all the stories since Morrowind. Arena was lame and Daggerfall's story was less visceral and more cerebral but Skyrim and especially Morrowind were deeply visceral and moving and made you feel like you were part of something ancient and vastly greater than yourself through the proxy of your character. Oblivion's main quest was shit but its lore was still good and the sidequests were top notch storytelling, it was just better as a collection of short stories than as a novel (metaphorically speaking).
TW3 was a pretty good game and a great story. I teared up at the end. Never played TLOU and FO4 was laughably badly written throughout though for once BGS made a game with decent action gameplay. FO4 legit could have benefited a lot from multiplayer though.
>>334653931
wrong reddit
>>334651179
I see the /v/ version of Tay is coming along nicely.
>>334649853
>BF3 guy
>Shipped off to fight a war
>See and do things no man should ever
>Watch friends die like flies in a trap
>Come home to a family that you cant stand anymore
>Become bitter, start drinking
>Begin beating wife
>Blow brain out with a 12guage one morning
Sign me up.
>>334649853
Dragonborn
>>334645758
>great stories
>bethesda
how do these words coexist
>>334645758
We need couch
>>334645758
>going to reddit
op pls. youre setting a very poor example.
even if you use both sites, could you at least keep your reddit shit off of 4chan, and your 4chan shit off of reddit?
>>334656871
>not being a website idort
I bet you only own one console too
>>334651348
>loot body
>read note
>go to X
>open chest
>QUEST COMPLETED
yeah those quests sure were deep
DEEP UNDERWATER
even other leddit faggots hate r/gaming.
>>334652461
are you retarded or just new? /v/ literally can't shut the fuck up about its hateboner for undertale.
this will finally show /v/ witcher is now a shit game
>>334645758
>this thread is a thread made up of r/gaming content
and you all being in here circlejerking over it is fun how exactly
>>334645758
why are skyrim and fallout 4 there?
I literally don't even know what the story of skyrim is even though i have 50 hours in it.
>>334656596
Bethesda TES Games have great stories
>>334645758
last of us had multiplayer. and it was fun.
ive never understood why with all the millions of dollars that go into marketing for these big games, they cant just shell out some extra cash for seperate dev teams to make multiplayer and singleplayer modes that are both good.
why is it always just one or the other?
>>334645758
Actually what we need is great gameplay.
>ITT we pretend to be video game connoisseur with an intricate taste in games and act as if our opinions matter
nyah, is TLOU and the TW3 shit or what guys?
>>334645758
>Actually replying to bait
>>334657652
>Tfw /v/ used to love Skyrim and FO3 and now pretends they are trash.
Multiplayer games feel kinda dead now.
It used to be that you'd get into quake, or TF2 or something and you'd be able to have a fuckton of fun.
Now, it just kinda feels hollow. There's no LAN modes or anything.
>>334657652
No. They're both good games.You'll enjoy playing them.
So does /v/ hate TLOU because it's bad or because it's an exclusive like Bloodborne?
>>334658126
because its popular and widely regarded as the greatest game of all time
>>334645758
TLOU had multiplayer though, in addition, Skyrim and FO4 had terrible stories.
>Fallout 4
>Skyrim
>TLoU has multiplayer
>Comparing The Witcher to those games
LOL
>>334648072
If you like tactical fps games and are a social person, by all means it's one of the best fps games I've ever played. Not talked about much on /v/ because it's actually a good game.
>>334649853
Okay /v/. You get reincarnated as one of these characters. Who do you pick?
>>334657021
Nigger those are treasure hunts not quests.
>>334658568
Capitalism,Ho!
>great stories
>any of those besides TW3
>no mention of actual decent gameplay
>tfw loads of classic JRPGs on the PSX and the like have options for co-op but normalfags would rather pretend that a story based game can't be enjoyed by multiple people at once
>>334649853
>>334658568
doom guy
fuck you both
>>334648525
Fucking this. I have the Division and I only play when my friends are on.
>>334645758
the only good multiplayer is offline multiplayer
>>334658670
"b-b-b-b-but!"
WITCHER FAGS BTFO
>>334660223
online multiplayer should always be an option.
>>334660000
that game is really bad without some friends to play
my friends all dropped it after a week so i tried to solo and just couldn't
much like diablo 3
Great gameplay should be the story itself. In my opinion, games that create a complex system that lets players interact in variety of ways and have interesting events happen are the best ways to tell stories.
Games like Minecraft, XCOM, Crusader Kings, Grand Theft Auto, or Left 4 Dead are great at this.
>>334647195
Nigger, is that a veggie fucking tales reaction gif?
>>334645758
>those shitty games
>>334645758
> Fallout 4
> Great story
Having The Witcher 3 in that image is pretty disgusting. Witcher 3 far outclasses any of those games narrative and plotwise. Why do people feel the need to compare it to other video games? Witcher 3 has no contemporary.
>>334650547
Fallout 4 isn't an RPG.
I need fun in my games.
Tree of Savior is coming to my region soon and I got friends who already played the CB.
Can't wait.
>>334662732
Jesus fuck off TheBull94 you aren't even subtle you falseflagging cocksucker.
>>334650174
>enjoyment
Sounds likefun
Shame none of them were, eh?
>>334654292
>he doesn't play genocide mode
ayyy
>>334645758
>IM
>FUCKING
>PLYING
>>334645758
My four.
>>334651348
Princess the goat quest GOAT!
>>334660350
It's okay, anon. I know you're just pretending, no matter what anyone else says.
>>334665327
post something from the past 5 years then i'd take you seriously
>>334645758
I would agree with the sentiment. Not the bottom two as an example of said sentiment though. I love those games but there strength isn't in the story, it is granting you a high degree of power and freedom to do what you will with it.
>>334665327
Deus Ex had a multiplayer mode though
>>334650354
Be calm, anon.
>>334645758
>/r/gaming
Jesus Christ.
NO. You need good gameplay first and foremost. Followed by story, THEN multiplayer.Not even gonna bump this shit thread.
>>334665627
I wouldn't agree on Skyrim being the best example of freedom given the restrictions put on the player (essential NPCs etc). Haven't played FO4 yet but voiced character with a backstory doesn't sound good for an 'RPG'. Also wouldn't agree on needing great stories. They're nice, but I think more needed is great player agency and freedom.
My favourite game's Mount and Blade. There's fuck all story there, but the freedom to craft your own narrative is what makes it so great. No two games are the same, even if you play native. One time Rhodoks are on top, next time it could be the Vaegirs, and if you choose you can influence it all or just let it play out.
That to me is what makes games great. I can get great stories from myriad media. I can't get the same level of control or freedom anywhere else.
>>334666436
So did MGS3
