They've added the word "OVERALL." Are they making changes to the Steam review system? Reviews separated by early access/post release, perhaps?
shit needs comments removed and only 1 click ratings
>good
>shit
>middle ground
who gives a shit most people aren't capable of giving an accurate rating and only comment for upvotes while typing regurgitated jokes
>>334632204
what game was this?
>>334634108
lmao u think theres such thing as an accurate rating for subjective experiences HAHAHAHA
>>334634245
subjective is the keyword retard ;)
Who cares steam is nothing but weeb avatars, PC elietests and faggot memers
Probably too many publishers whined because their early access games got bad ratings.
I think Steam reviews are generally a pretty good way to gauge how good a game is, as long as a game has a certain minimum number of votes. That said, I have seen cases where mob mentality kicked in and a game received tons of negative reviews just because the publisher or developer did something kinda scummy. Also, there are tons of shitty simulator games that people upvote for some reason.
I just want a filter that lists the reviews in order of descending playtime. Sure you'll get two or three unfunny 1,150 hrs. "It was okay" reviews right off the bat but it sure as fuck would be more useful than the "Funny" filter.
>"This game is shit, would not recommend"
>600 hours on record
>>334634332
i know you're upset that Doom is shit but please calm down.
>>334634245
but people don't rate things even subjectively, they gravitate towards the funnier opinion to validate their existence
Steam reviews always have been and always will be a shitty system when metacritic exists. I can't count the amount of games that have literal "lol xd so randumb" reviews in the top spots
>>334634231
Two different games. The bottom one is Slain, but I forgot what the top one was.
If you want to see the change for yourself, take a look at the screenshot of the Steam store page in this review: http://wccftech.com/doom-open-beta-slammed-steam-reviews-released/
Then take a look at the current Steam store page for it.
The article is dated 4/14, so this was a very recent change.
>>334634397
Why would they fuck it up anon. WHY
>>334634593
Uhh...
Source?
>>334632204
Just to clarify, this is not one game. It's just to show the addition of the word "OVERALL" next to reviews in the store page. The top review is from a cached Google search result, and the bottom one is my own screenshot from today.
>>334634761
learn to do it yourself
>>334635495
You cant google it. If you dont want to give it, just say nothing. Dont act like a dick.
>>334634390
Get a load of this unfunny prick not enjoying the classic "I did X and Y happened 10/10" review for the millionth time.
I don't get why everyone hates steam user reviews
>man this game looks cool
>check negative reviews
>read the ones that have an actual in-depth list of cons and maybe even some comments
>decide if you can deal with that
>>334635582
lol
>>334635582
get cucked
>>334635582
anon. Are you retarded? Go to panda and enter elf and english.
>>334635807
My guess was always that it was just the shills of the game which most recently got bad reviews
>>334634108
"Tried to build a catapult that launches a bomb. Built a bomb that launches a catapult."
>>334634761
>>334636271
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/918062/6464b2cd3c/
(C89) [Shoot The Moon (Fuetakishi)] High Elf × High School Shiro × Kuro [English] [N04h]
If you see a panda
>>334635807
I think they can be pretty useful. I've come to realize that Metacritic can be utterly useless when trying to figure out if a game is worth playing or not. I wouldn't normally play a game with a 68/100 rating, but that's the score Unepic has on Metacritic, and it deserves much better. It has a 94% on Steam.
My biggest problem with Steam reviews is that sometimes a temporary issue such as a game with a buggy launch (that is eventually fixed) can permanently affect the score. Not everyone who swarms to give a negative review will go back and modify it after everything is fixed.
>>334634108
I'd rather they stop posting positive ratings for games they don't like because they're trying to be jokey or ironic or whatever. Just let the game crash and burn.
Don't forget the 15,000 reviews that are basically "I saw tits"
>>334634351
>that time Todd tried to jew the community and wreck TES modding by introducing Paid Mods
>you could actually see Skyrim's overall review score dropping over the hours as more and more people punished bethshit for being greedy scumbags
it was pretty neat
>>334634543
>game has "joke reviews" in all the top spots
>write a 3-4 pages long, serious wall of text, objectively explaining all the good and bad things about the game, the target audience it was made for, and why I like it so much
>3 months later
>my wall of text is now the top rated review, showing first on the store page
Feels good.
>>334636389
>>334636271
Spoon-feeding bitches like you is why I now crop my porn and make in unsearchable
>>334636446
In the case of temporary issues, you can usually easily see that by scrolling through some negative reviews though
The problem is simply user perception, if someone sees "mixed" and immediately stops looking into it further, that's his fault
>>334636682
You're doing god's work.
>>334636618
name?
>>334636682
>>334636731
You're lucky it's against the law to murder people cause I got some new knives I'm just dying to test out on you.
>>334634245
Isn't that why critics exist in almost every other field? Don't we pay them because they're able to separate their subjective taste from objective quality? Why are video games the only field where reviews are worthless?
>>334636764
There's no way I'll post that here on this board and subject myself to a hundred downvotes from trolls.
Hint: It's one of /v/s favorite games.
>have a lvl 43 assasin using storm cloud and lightning arrow with a bunch of other lightning damage
>decide to do a facebraker duelist because why not
>the second i put on the facebreakers my dps with infernal blow (my mian skill) becomes 733
>that is instantly better than my main with only 453
And that ladies and gentlemen, is why you never try to make your first character a non build based one
>>334637017
it's bad rats isn't it
I'm way more interested in negative reviews that positive ones, since positive ones are usually meme bullshit.
I do notice that people seem to take negative reviews more seriously, in that there's more people writing actual reviews.
I've also noticed there can be a mob mentality trying to "punish" someone who gives negative reviews. I forgot the game but I saw a bunch of negative reviews with the same butthurt copy-pasted comment in them. Sometimes the fans try to bury negative reviews and downvote them into oblivion, which is why you just can't trust the "most helpful" tab.
For example, check out the FNAF games.
>>334637017
That German work simulator?
>rate early access game negatively
>top responses are "ITS JUST A BETA"
>dev hides review
if any thin skinned indie fag hides your reviews you can set them as public again from your profile menu.
>>334637017
>Hint: It's one of /v/s favorite games.
Rollercoaster Tycoon?
>>334636446
This. I've found many games who got bashed by reviews everywhere to be actually fun.
And yes, some games carry a bad review from release, yet they get good reviews later and end up in "Mixed" rating. When i see a game on mixed i just check the best serious reviews and then decide.
>>334637148
>which is why you just can't trust the "most helpful" tab
Does anyone actually do that? I usually scroll through the negative tab because people use "funny" and "helpful" interchangably
>>334636943
Nah you deserve it. You faggots have been spoon-feeding far too long without teaching these stupid idiots how to Google an image and get into sadpanda. So now you get faggots detailing threads with
>sauce where's the sauce?!
It's over. Now we're making it unsearchable and you faggots who really want sauce are now going to have to do 2x the work to find it.
>>334637287
Meanwhile I pirate the game and lose nothing even if the game is shit.
>>334636446
Dustforce's Metacritic Rating is 79/100. That's enough to entirely discredit it as a reliable Service.
>>334637231
why would you possibly play an early access game?
if I see one more fucking game that looks interesting with the tags "early access survival co-op sandbox" I'm gonna blow up Valve HQ
>>334634108
steam reviews:
joke
joke
joke
actual review
>>334637336
Most helpful is the default tab, so some people might just skim through it and not notice they're getting a dishonest look at what people think of the game.
>>334637381
>I WAS ONCE TOLD TO FIND THE SOURCE MYSELF AND EVER SINCE THEN, I'VE BEEN BITTER EVER SINCE.
I WAS ONLY A CHILD.
>>334637251
Either that or S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
>>334637521
The actual Reviews are far lower than that.
>>334637381
who the fuck is "we"?
>neckbeard coalition
>>334637512
sometimes people make mistakes my man
>>334636969
To be fair I think personal preference and experience is amplified in video games, as the user experience is central to what the medium is. How a person plays a game and what they enjoy directly affects how they feel about a game. Some people will have put tons of times into say, multiplayer FPS or arena shooters, and will vastly prefer those, while others may be incredibly into tabletops or strategy games, and be more versed to talk about those. Those people who prefer one genre over another may be more lenient on it while those that dislike a genre may be harsh on it. This is true for things like film and books but I feel like user experience and preference is incredibly important to how one feels about a video game, moreso than in other media.
I do think reviews are worth something if they're overwhelming one way or another, but because video games are so varied (and video game "review sites" have been such utter fucking garbage shilling for years now) it's harder to listen to them objectively. User Reviews should be generally trusted if there's a lot of them, but even then it is tough to nail down.
>it's a "valve lets the community decide things" episode
ever since valve started letting in more and more user input, there's so much shit to wade through
like take the fucking curators, you get curators showing up for irrelevant shit like "this game has cards and waifus" or "how ironic is this game" or "what does e-celeb think?"
then instead of trying to rework reviews to be helpful, they instead add fucking Funny buttons. Except you can fucking say something is both FUNNY and POSITIVE which changes fucking nothing. The only good thing they ever did was make it so reviews were labeled for "reviewed during early access."
And then of all fucking things, the Artwork section. Which could have been really good. But instead it's just fucking Imgur-lite where people upload hot gifs they didn't fucking make with some sort of filename thread-tier caption. It's fucking deviantART with even less moderation. And it's even exploitable so people can put stupid fucking pictures on their Steam pages.
When was the last fucking time letting the community decide something for Steam paid off?
>>334637578
He obviously means cancersouls: prepare to uninstall edition.
>>334632204
They're being paid, of course they're making changes. They have to damage control for corporations.
>Top rated positive review
"Stop what reading this and just play it, NOW!!"
>Top rated critical review
>What are you looking at bad reviews for?? This game owns!!!"
>>334636943
>look up reviews for EYE: Divine Cybermancy
>expect a million memes
>get maybe two "my legs are ok XD" and "I dunno "
what's happening" in the positive tab while the rest explains in-depth what's good about the game
>negative tab has well-written reviews that properly explain negative points they couldn't get over without straying into "oh no it's confusing" territory
10/10 review section
>>334637382
You lose time son
>>334637996
Still not getting my money, marketer :^)
>>334637381
>we
Oh, so you're just a newfag who just learned what spoonfeeding is and you're trying way too hard to fit in.
Also, this is /v/, the board with the newest and youngest population on the entire site. It's one thing to whine about spoonfeeding on /a/, but this is silly.
>>334637969
No matter how you spin it, "Its confusing" is a valid argument.
Imagine what would happen if "the witness" had zero easy puzzles to solve and all you had were the end-game hard puzzle mixes without any explanation as to how youre supposed to solve that shit.
Why does this thread seem eerily familiar? I'm feeling a heavy sense of deja vu. Not just the OP, but the replies and everything. Have you made this thread before, OP?
>>334636943
Edgy, and how people as stupid as you aren't underageb&, I don't know.
Funny reviews were a mistake
>>334637996
Less time than if I had bothered to look at reviews.
>>334638492
About 30%-50% (on a bad day) of threads are non-general copy-pasted thread taken straight from the archive. This is happening across the entire site. I don't know what's up with that but it's possibly a strategy to artificially inflate site statistics so that hiroshima nagasaki can sell.
>>334634543
The only reviews even worth reading are on rpgcodex and maybe hardcoregaming101
>>334638449
>No matter how you spin it, "Its confusing" is a valid argument.
Not for EYE
The story is confusing, but none of the mechanics are
>Imagine what would happen if "the witness" had zero easy puzzles to solve and all you had were the end-game hard puzzle mixes without any explanation as to how youre supposed to solve that shit.
I haven't played The Witness but I can tell that is a really poor analogy
EYE does give you tutorials on everything that you can do in it
Plus, it's really not that hard, you have equipment, spell-casting, level-ups and cyber upgrades that you just straight-up buy with dosh
A bit later you also get research which just consists of spending money and waiting
It's really not that hard to grasp, you can beat every level by just shooting everything in sight and activating whatever the game tells you to activate
>>334638937
RPGCodex is fantastic, they are very anti-shitpost and even have weeaboo containment boards to keep those faggots away.
HardcoreGaming is not nearly as good.
>>334638992
>Not for EYE
>The story is confusing, but none of the mechanics are
Except for healing, limb damage, hacking, magic, hallucinations, sanity, the fucking objective in half the levels, level design itself, plot...
>>334638492
I did make it before. It fell straight to the 10th page and was archived without a single reply.
I kinda miss being able to bump threads. If I want a real conversation, I have to just hope someone manages to see my thread and reply before it falls too low.
>>334639184
Maybe you're not in the intended age range yet.
>>334638992
>you can beat every level by just shooting everything in sight and activating whatever the game tells you to activate
Aren't you forced to hack on mars?
Even after putting some points into hacking just for the heck of it, that gate was almost impossible. The CPU enemy had like 3 times my health and casted twice as fast. I tried all suggested methods of hacking and got obliterated in seconds. Finally made it after trying for an hour or so.
>>334638992
>EYE does give you tutorials on everything that you can do in it
It's a bad sign when a game has tutorials, I can't be bothered with it, why don't they just make a playable game? That's why I rated it down, Divine Cybermancy is a terribly made game with fans that carry over from the Dark Souls crowd of "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HARD TO UNDERSTAND"
>>334636943
Everything about the way this is worded is just hilarious.
>>334639184
>healing
inject yourself with the syringe
>limb damage
do maintenance
>hacking
drop the enemy's health while buffing your own defense and shit
>magic
just fucking select it and cast it
>hallucinations, sanity
don't get hit so much you low karma scrub
all of this gets explained in tutorials
maybe watch them, it's like 10 videos of 30 seconds each, faggot
>the fucking objective in half the levels
it always tells you who to shoot and what button to press though
>level design itself
can't really comment on that since my sense of direction is shit anyway
>plot
just poorly translated, read the backstory in the library to know who all the factions are
>>334639506
I thought that was just for one of the routes? been too fucking long
>>334639665
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'm triggered
>>334639496
>Instantly resorts to insults instead of actually refuting a single point.
Thanks for admitting you're wrong.
>>334639818
;^)
>>334639818
guy who actually refuted your points here, love this timing
thank /v/ for those stupid green text-formatted reviews
>>334639942
>just let me b-backpedal
It's a bit late for that.
>>334636682
You really like being a fucker, don't you?
>>334640224
Like I said, the rest of the game is terrible, from the ground up. "It's supposed to be that way" isn't an excuse.
>>334639795
>inject yourself with the syringe
See? It's so confusing even you don't know shit about it.
>do maintenance
Doesn't explain how and when it's happening.
>drop the enemy's health while buffing your own defense and shit
So you literally don't know either.
>don't get hit so much you low karma scrub
So again, you literally don't know.
>all of this gets explained in tutorials
Bullshit. There's a summary explanation that doesn't actually reflect gameplay.
>it always tells you who to shoot and what button to press though
Most of the time, but not always. Like in the "find the base" mission or in the one where you have to look around an apartment.
>can't really comment on that since my sense of direction is shit anyway
The most important failing in my opinion is that the areas never looked like what the story told you they represented.
>>334639665
Pretty much, except I disagree that having tutorials is necessarily bad. However the mechanics were mostly opaque and the entire game was shit on every level eitherway.
>>334632204
The new system works simply.
If a review is rated negatively by readers, it is not counted towards "User Reviews:" score.
Overall is the score as if it did count them.
Basically now shills can downrate negative reviews and have them basically wiped from the games score.
>>334640424
oh I didn't realize that we were shitposting, I thought you legitimately wanted to know about the game mechanics
I just find it sad when people refuse to play one of the best FPS because they don't want to watch 5 minutes of tutorial videos
have a nice day
>>334640704
this is like half a step above shitposting, at best
>See? It's so confusing even you don't know shit about it.
what? just select the heaing syringe and left click
>Doesn't explain how and when it's happening.
when you get hit in your limbs, duh
>So you literally don't know either.
it's a fucking minigame, that's all there is to it
>So again, you literally don't know.
low karma + getting hit
oh yeah, use maintenance to cure it, just like the tutorial tells you
>"find the base" mission
no idea what you mean but it's not like the levels are overly large
>in the one where you have to look around an apartment
yes it was a mission to find something (a briefcase on a table, right?) so it didn't immediately point you to it
>>334640902
Read: "Waaa my "The uninstall button works fine :^)" review isn't valid any more!"
>>334636618
>write long-ass negative review about horror game
>people who thought it was 2deep4u downvote it on principle
>most users however drop in and state how well written the review is, even if they disagree
>>334641068
>5 minutes of tutorial videos
From the shill himself.
>>334639184
>I'm too lazy to read anything
people like you are why AAA games have long unskippable tutorials
>>334641124
????
>>334641094
Just checked. It is still the highest rated negative review for this game.
>>334632204
Why would you use reviews in the first place?
In this day and age you can fire up youtube and watch actual gameplay and judge for yourself. You don't even have to watch an eceleb or anything either, you can pull up normal no commentary footage and just silently judge the game without anyones opinions clouding your mind.
>>334641220
I don't need a tutorial, I'm not retarded. I've beaten Megaman games before. What I want is a well made game that doesn't crutch on Tutorials. A game that either actually makes sense from the get go or is easy to learn. But EYE is neither of those and it prides itself in it.
>>334641068
>what? just select the heaing syringe and left click
Keep proving you literally don't know how it works, that's sure to help your defense.
>when you get hit in your limbs, duh
That's not how it works though.
>it's a fucking minigame, that's all there is to it
Not even a bit. That's like saying the whole game is about shooting some dude in the face.
>low karma + getting hit
Among many other possibilities.
>>334641447
then at least fucking look at the controls so you know V does maintenance which fixes most of your stupid problems
>>334641094
You just have to deal with the fact that ~90-95% is the maximum possible score you can get, because of the inevitable trolls and "too long didn't read LOL"-guys who downvote anyways.
For negative review it's much lower, maybe 80%, as steam reviews are massively biased, since only people who have bought the game can actually write about it. If a game is rated "mostly positive" it's already a red flag, and "mixed" usually means a broken, full of bugs and barely playable mess.
>>334641638
What?
>>334641447
>I've beaten Megaman games before
so has everyone when they were a kid, sorry to tell you but games have gotten more complex then Megaman, you need to put in a little effort into learning some of them
>>334634543
>Steam reviews always have been and always will be a shitty system when metacritic exists.
>steam reviews bad, metacritic good.
>>334641068
>one of the best FPS
The FPS mechanics are by FAR its weakest point. You would be very hard pressed to even find an indie crapware with worse FPS mechanics.
Then again, the story is also completely broken and the RPG mechanics might as well not exist and the customization is a joke and the research needs no comment, and it's shorter than your dick and the graphics belong a decade earlier and the AI is literally so dumb it shoots itself in the back without reacting when you're in a straight line with an enemy...
So really, it's a shit game. Get over it. The only thing it did right was the difficulty settings.
>>334641616
>Keep proving you literally don't know how it works, that's sure to help your defense.
shit you're right, it was right click to heal yourself and left click to heal others, right?
>hurr durr you don't know how it works because you forgot a minor detail after not playing for years
>That's not how it works though.
it is though
do you maybe mean injuries? that's not limb damage
>Not even a bit.
that's all there is to it though, what the fuck
>Among many other possibilities.
I looked it up just now, the only other possibility is shooting allies
>>334641902
Oh, you're just b8ing. Well you got me good, 7/10 I rate you.
>>334634395
>you can't play shit games
>>334641336
Steam reviews can tell you certain things such as censoring, locked FPS, upscaled resolution, poor optimization or gamebreaking bugs.
Before I buy anything there I always read the first 10 or so negative reviews, at least some of the are usually objective and well written.
>>334641068
kohai no
you right click with the medkit for healing yourself, left click is for getting Dr. Hyde in coop with ff on
karma only affects the likelihood of getting a fatal wound on death, and even at 0 it seems like a fairly low chance, I got bored of tossing my 7 end guy off of cliffs because it was taking so long to get endurance even lower
>>334636682
because that will stop people who know the source, right?
Or do you simply want to make it harder for people to find it on their own?
You people with your "NO SPOONFEEDING HURR!" are badly trying to hide you are just misanthropes.
Is there a reason for your behaviour other than spite, because there certainly is no regard for teaching people.
>>334641731
>better say his abilities to play games are like that of a kid!
christ it's nonstop with you people
>>334641854
It's a horde FPS, not a tacticool military shooter. You can customize your dude to be melee or ranged or psy-focused and be stealthy or a hacker, how is that a joke?
>>334634390
>>334635632
Then people would prioritize afking in the game overnight more than they do now.
>>334642103
In the end, the import point is to understand the needle's heal quality mechanic.
>>334636389
much appreciated friend
>>334636682
>>>/a/
The thing that pissed me off the most when they first implemented reviews was the fact that it merged your "recommend this game to your friends" into them.
So now I have a few reviews with just "yeah it's cool" or something similar, making me look a complete tool.
You can't delete them either.
>>334637017
>There's no way I'll post that here on this board and subject myself to a hundred downvotes from trolls.
This isn't /b/ you retard, you'll get 5 downvote tops.
>>334641643
My problem was that the game's reception was "Overwhelmingly Positive", so any review that goes against the grain is automatically doomed. Same goes for a positive review on a game that had technical difficulties at launch. People are mad they can't play for whatever reason and any discerning voice is being contrarian, hipster, shilling, and so on. I just like writing about what I have in my hands, that's all.
Speaking of which: What drives you guys to write reviews that are longer than the average meme review?
Personally, I use those reviews to keep my language skills in shape since I'm not a native speaker. Also, sometimes I simply like to put certain thoughts on a game into words.
>>334642197
No, I'm saying the Megaman games are old, and many people were young when they played them.
>>334642332
you said healing isn't understandable, not that you wanted to know exactly how much you heal with what charge and that you can get fucked with a low charge
pretty sure the tutorial explains it either way
>>334636682
you do understand that you're causing the issue instead of them being able to search it for themselves anywhere by you making it unsearchable they have to ask for the source from someone
>>334642247
You can't actually be stealthy proper, the only way to hack is to abuse clipping because you have neither the time nor the space otherwise, there are far too few enemies and resources for it to play as a horde shooter and there are fuckall options in terms of weapons and psy skills (especially weapons when 1/3rd are just straight upgrades of all the others and only half of these even pierce, when it's retarded to even attempt to take down most enemies without piercing weapons yet they work just as well on non-armored targets). On top of that, weapons are completely traditional.
I made a review for Watch Paint Dry which is long but also funny so what ground does that stand on?
>>334642602
>backpedaling
Keep it coming, you're funny!
>>334633991
They need a middle-ground option. Not all games are so simply recommend or not.
753 out of 778 found this review helpful:
Something bad happened. Another bad thing happened. Something even worse happened. Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, something one hundred times as bad happened.
10/10 would have bad thing happen again.Why do people do this?
>>334642769
just write it in your review then, there's more than enough "can't recommend it in its current state" ones and other modifiers like that in the text
le dark souls i died at the main menu xXdDD
11/10
3,560 out of 3,780 found this review helpful.
>>334634395
fuck you
>buy a game
>its garbage
>cant refund it because I played it for more than 2 hours
>stuck with a shit game
ill shit all over this game until te end of time and make an effort in updating all that ways in which the game is shit
>>334643142
>>334642997
just ignore everything except actual lists of pros and cons
plus, positive reviews aren't as important as negative ones
>Why do people do this?
attention
>>334643142
>meanwhile, your own 6 paragraph review has 58% approval
>most of those are pity likes by your friends
>>334642493
Don't know, about half of my reaviews are really fucking long and detailed (so long that I have to write a temporary review and edit it because the original is longer than steam allows).
I write average 2-3 paragrath reviews about normal games, and overly long reviews about games I have strong feelings for (both negative and positive). I try to be objective and feel games need the recognition they deserve for their quality. Though I never buy games at launch since steams pricing is all kind sof fucked up, and most of my reviews of older games go by under the radar. At least one of my reviews became popular.
>>334643383
>your own 6 paragraph review
I always want to write these long reviews but I don't think anyone appreciates them and I don't want to look autistic.
>>334643383
>friends
You're not fooling anyone here.
>>334644143
>and I don't want to look autistic
What?
>friend sees review
>"cool, anon really cares about this"
>stranger sees review
>"cool, some proper points I can use to inform my purchase decision"
>>334643675
I wouldn't do it for approval. But if you want to, you'd actually be better of writing meme reviews.
Sometimes though, magic happens.
>>334644143
Sometimes a little fun is good, but I want my reviews to be actually, you know, helpful.
I still have no fucking idea how this happened, considering it's a relatively old game that gets nowhere near the page views of new releases.
>>334632204
i'm not seeing the issue here
