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None of this popular shit is good. Fuck off.
>>334572508
Get rid of all of them aside from witcher 3 and yes
>fallout 4
>good story
ha
>>334572508
nice bait
>>334572508
>Skyrim
>good story
>>334572508
Didn't The Last of us HAVE multiplayer?
>Skyrim+SHAUNout 4
>Good story
Nice b8,m8.
We don't need MP games, but they sure are fucking fun.
>>334572508
But the only fun thing about The Last of Us was the multiplayer.
You don't have to just stick with one.
>>334572508
>any of those
>good
topkek
>>334572508
>we need great stories
>shitty triple A western writing
>great
Theorising the lore and plot of Bloodborne is more enjoyable than playing any of those games.
>>334572508
I love bethesda games as much as the next normie but that image is pure bait
>>334572508
cancer
go read a fucking book
i game for gameplay, call me an autist but books tell stories far better than games ever bloody will
>>334572508
>Bethesda
>Great story
Top zozzle
>>334572508
>9gag
>Skyrim/Fallout 4 great "stories"
R E A D
A
F U C K I N G
B O O K
>>334572508
Last of Us MP is still underrated that normies don't even realize it exists
Is this a shitposting thread?
You know what I love
when every fucking list for video games consist of something from the past like 4 years or so.
It's so disgusting
>>334572508
>great stories
Sometimes I just can't hate hard enough.
>>334572508
>google image search this
>it's not a troll image made by OP
Games had way better writing in the 90s, fuck most modern game writing. Especially with the case of Beth
>>334572508
It's like there exists an image like this without the bottom two being replaced with shit games.
i hate normalfags so much
>>334572508
>TLoU
OK story and shit gameplay. It would've been better if they just dropped the pretense of being an actual game and went full interactive movie route.
>TW3
Great story and servicable gameplay. Could've had better fighting, but it does the jod.
>Skyrim
>Skyrim with Guns
Shit story shit gameplay. Why are they even here?
>the last of we
>fallout
>skyrim
>great stories
funny how people like this exist for every genre.
Try talking to someone about what makes a good movie and they'll tell you and I quote.
> cinematic quality, intense orchestra, lots of action sequences, and plots twists and complications,
>>334573180
Well storytelling in videogames has progressed to the point that it becomes unfair to compare modern masterpieces to older, err, "tales".
>>334573316
F4 has the best story in the Fallout series, not that that is saying much. Only one that was vaguely interesting.
Ghost Trick has one of the best plots I've experienced in all media.
>>334572508
This seems like the biggest bullshit ever since MP games are the market trends these days
>>334573393
Kill yourself soon
>>334573384
you really know the words that hurt me the most.
gameplay > art = music > story
>>334573305
>>334573251
>>334573251
More like, Neil Drunkman
Witcher 3 is the only game out of those with good writing. And it was written by Polacks who have English as a second language. Really confirms the long held feeling that Western game writers are people who refused to accept their whole lives that they failed high school English class.
Shame Witcher 3 has boring gameplay.
>>334572508
>Bethesda still hasn't done the inevitable "spouse survives" dlc
What was the point of getting to customize her appearance if I can't travel the wasteland with my waifu
>>334573490
gameplay built on a story with a good artstyle that is backed by the right music> whatever fits the game> everything else
>>334572508
We don't need multiplayer, we need great SP gameplay.
>>334573537
shame
>>334573537
I can forgive that to the witcher because it made me want to play more to experience more of the world, the story and the side quests. Everything else was so interesting I didn't mind that the gameplay was bland, albeit nowhere near as bad as skyrim for example.
>>334572508
>TLoU
>"great" story
>>334573316
correct post except for TLOU which is cliche story but the best 'overmarketed AAA' gameplay of the last generation. Great leveldesign and choices like no regenerating health & the backpack put it high above any assassins creed. ps4 has no games
>>334572508
>Bethesda
>good story
Oh vey
Don't get me wrong, TES world has great lore but in-game stories are rather... simplistic.
>Morrowind
>you're the chosen one
>you must kill the bad guy
>Oblivion
>you're the chosen one
>you must save the prince
>you're saving the prince but he decides to sacrifice himself in order to save the world
etc. etc.
>>334573490
You can take away story and still have a good game, you can take away art and music and still have a good game. That doesn't mean those things can't add to the game however.
Apples and oranges
>>334572508
neither multiplayer nor story. We need good mechanics and interactive virtual worlds.
Unfortunately, story and multiplayer are all we'll get
>>334572508
>We need great stories
Read a book.
/thread
>>334573998
or watch a movie, if reading is too hard. Story-heavy games are just movies with a shitton of different play buttons. They're more annoying than entertaining.
>>334573879
>Simples stories are inherently bad
you're the reason we have so many shitty young adult novels, anon
Bad examples of good story, but yes. 50% of games need to focus on a good story, while the other 50% should focus on good gameplay.
For games with shit gameplay and great stories that are worth playing, see: Drakengard and Nier
>>334573960
oranges can't run games
>>334572508
BTW, I think both are good depending on the genre, but games writers are absolute trash, and almost never hit the mark. When a game pulls off a good narrative I can't help thinking their writer just got lucky.
Deus Ex HR and Max Payne 2 are great examples. Your examples are not.
More Neil? More Neil.
>>334574118
>50% of games need to focus on a good story
why? Story is anathema to games
>>334572508
Except fallout 4 and skyrim had shit stories. Awesome games, but shit stories
>>334574127
How is witcher 3 a bad example?
>>334574067
>just movies with a shitton of different play buttons
No, they're a movie-substitute, or book-substitute. The reason the writers didn't write a blockbuster's script or a bestseller is that they're not very good, and the reason they make games instead of writing fanfiction is that video game audience has lower standards. Well-written games are few and far between and I don't play them for the story alone if they've bad mechanics.
Go read a book, /v/. Books are nice. Play vidya for the mechanics and the challenge. Look me in thepostand tell me any of these games - Witcher included - had good or challenging mechanics. You can't. ///thread.
>>334574240
>Fallout 4
>Awesome
anon pls
>>334574205
Video games have an untapped potential for amazing storytelling.
>>334573998
>movies has an amazing soundtrack
>ugh, if I wanted to listen to good music I would go to a concertnot that I would go to a concert for any reason other than socialising. Studio version of songs + headphones > concerts
>>334574302
>No, they're a movie-substitute, or book-substitute
we're in a agreement, you're just trying to technically disagree, by calling shit movies with many play buttons "movie-substitutes". If these games are designed like movies, paced like movies, play like movies, why does it matter that their story, narrative or pacing is shit? Shit movies exist. Games with story are shit movies with many play buttons, and randomly pausing playback.
>You can't.
word
>>334573158
>>334572783
It gets posted on Facebook.
This is what some people actually believe.
>>334574440
This nigga. You've obviously never seen a Sufjan Stevens concert. Nigga improvises like a bastard, it's glorious.
>>334574373
a story and storytelling are two different things
>>334573121
>/v/ hates the single player of TLoU but loves the multiplayer
How very contrarian of you.
>Skyrim
>Fallout 4
>great story
>>334572943
>blutgeburt
> shitty eastern writing with a western setting
Lelington McTops
>>334574448
I'll drop the technicality. We're in agreement.
>>334574440
>ugh, if I wanted to listen to good music I would go to a concert
Would you watch a movie *solely* for the soundtrack - even if the acting, script, camera work and directing were fucking atrocious? No, you'd go listen to the OST on youtube. And the movie would bomb - as it should, because it's bad at what it does at its core.
>it's popular so it can't be good
What happened to /v/? What went wrong?
>>334574712
get back to your monster hunter threads
>>334572508
>bethshit
>great stories
>tlou
>actually has a multiplayer
>great story
Fucking normalies.
>>334572508
>fallout 4
>skorim xD
>le greatest zombie movie game ever
>>334574712
Nothing went wrong. Binthesda games have shit stories, Witcher series is a crippled adaption of the books and tLoU is a daughteru simulator.
>>334572694
witcher 3's story is shit
>>334574912
t. weebtrash
>>334574904
>Witcher series is a crippled adaption of the books
Have you actually read any of the Witcher books? Or at least he last one? Witcher games are doing them huge justice and W3 has far surpassed the last book which was a massive FUCK YOU to the audience with characters dying left and right for no real reason.
>>334574116
I never really claimed that. Still, TES games have simple stories and very bad narrative - because of game design.
>>334573879
>>Morrowind
>>you're the chosen one
Oh, you.
>>334573537
And it's world, story and characters all came from a book series.
>>334572835
It had multiplayer and a shit story, so I don't know why it's on that image.
>>334572508
>Bethesda
>Great Stories
>Same people who Butchered Doom
I miss the Fable series.Nah, I'm just kidding.
>>334575053
>I never claimed that
>hurr hurr great lore but shit stories lol
ok anon
>>334574996
Maybe geralt should have done the snowball fight in the books
>>334574996
the author is actually jelly that the games are more popular than his books. That's why he started killing the series in his newest book, he did it out of spite.
>this thread
Alright, fuckers. This is how it is - STORY is made of PLOT, LORE and CHARACTERS.
>>334575186
>Soma
>Bad
>Hotline Garbage
>Good
>>334572508
Fuck multiplayer.
Fuck stories.
G A M E P L A Y is what you need or the game sucks.
>>334575186
>playing SS2 for the first time right now
feelsgoodman.jpeg
>>334574354
I enjoyed it enough to finish it. I mean, the ending left a bad taste in my mouth because it was so utterly shitty, but still. Especially the legendary giant monsters thing. The rpg part of the game was ultra garbage though. Nothing but perks what in the flying fuck is that shit? Were there even special points that did anything meaningful? I don't remember.
Wait yeah that game was pretty fucking mediocre. And the dialogue system was pants on head retarded. Man, Bethesda wtf are you doing?
>>334575230
He was talking about Lady of the Lake which was written 17 years ago in which Geralt, Yen, Milva, Regis, Cahir,and Angloueme were killed off. How did he kill the series when the newest book was a prequel that took place before most of the first book?
>>334575302
Soma is literally just walking simulator with babbys first scifi plot.
What's your point about Hotline?
>>334575309
Have you played Bioshock as well? Because that game is a fucking beat for beat copy of SS2 story-wise. If the same guy wasn't involved in both it would probably be plagiarism.
>>334575395
I was talking about Season of Storms.
>>334574623
borne != birth
>>334575416
My point if you didn't understand it with your pea brain is that it's garbage. Let me spell that out for you. G A R B A G E.
>Soma
>babby's first scifi plot
literally lmaoing here. But I guess the sophistication of the ending of the plot was beyond you, otherwise you'd understand why Soma stands as one of the best sci-fi horror plots ever told.
>>334575186
>I have PC gaming master race bias
>>334575439
Played it many years ago, when it first came out. Strong opening, was left unimpressed with the rest and left it halfway through, never looked back; in SS2, I've been playing all day and I just left the radioactive coolant tubes in Engineering and went into the elevator for the first time with the techno music blasting in my ears, and I'm fucking loving it.
>>334575471
It was the worst book but at least he was kind enough to not make a new book in the time frame of the games even though they games literally contradict what we see in the books and they can't coexist in the same universe. You're right though he was jelly. Pretty sure he even admitted to it.
>>334575549
>But I guess the sophistication of the ending of the plot was beyond you, otherwise you'd understand why Soma stands as one of the best sci-fi horror plots ever told.
>>334573531
>>334573251
More like, Neil Cuckmann
>>334575670
Yeah seriously
>>334575549
Can you answer me an honest question? Were you a fan of Undertale or Life is Strange? I need to know before I trust your recommendation on whether or not Soma is a good game. It's on sale for 18 bucks right now.
>game has a good gameplay but almost no plot
>can become GOTY and overall great game
>game has a heavy plot but shit gameplay
>ends up being a shitty and forgotten game
I still don't understand why devs are making story-heavy games. I guess it's easier to get one person to write some story and have another make the game full of cutscenes instead of getting lots of programmers to make a game you can actually play
>>334573086
This
christ
There are even Witcher books if you liked the game's story so much.
>>334575186
>half life 2
>morrowind
>hotline garbage
>good gameplay
>mgs
>bad gameplay
u wot m8
>TLoU
>game would be shit if the story was shit
nah, it's the other way around. The gameplay is ok the story is shit.
>>334573086
/thread. I play games for the gameplay and I read books if I want a good story
>>334575549
Hate to break it to you pal, but SOMA is pretty much "Existentialism 101: What is the self and can it be defined"
>>334575669
CDPR actually reference things that happened in Season of the Storms in The Witcher 3 at least a couple of times.
Agreed 100%, games with good stories are much more fun to watch on YT.
>>334576052
protip: the games have better story than half of the books in the series.
>>334575952
>what is Planescape Torment
Literally the biggest classic of the classic CRPGs is popular solely because of it's story.
>inb4 Baldur's Gate is more popular
Even if than the 2nd biggest classic is still something.
>>334575952
>I still don't understand why devs are making story-heavy games
Because they're not good game developers, they're aspiring writers/directors. Unfortunately they're not good writers, either, so really they should just kill themselves.
>>334575549
>But I guess the sophistication of the ending of the plot was beyond you, otherwise you'd understand why Soma stands as one of the best sci-fi horror plots ever told.
EUPHORIA ONLINE, FEDORA ONLINE, NECKBEARD ONLINE. ALL TIPPING NOMINAL.
>>334576250
They really don't. The games literally reuse plot points from the books except they make them less complex. Just look at that they did with the white frost and they turned Ciri into some chosen one who literally saves the world from the White frost.
>>334572508
>(title of game in pic)
>good (anything)
>>334576092
I read books for their bookread
>>334576376
There are exceptions, especially in the RPG-genre. But those aren't really made anymore by AAA devs
>>334576376
I don't know where you're getting your data from, but Torment was not particularly popular when it came out and it's certainly not popular now. It has a cult following and that's it.
>>334572994
Games could have the chance to tell a story like no other medium could
But that's hard to do, so devs just slap some incredibly lazy gameplay between their movies and say it's good
>>334572508
No, we need good gameplay.
>>334576250
:^)
>>334576491
I guess you haven't read any books past the Baptism of Fire, which is both the high point and the last good book of the series. After that it all goes downhill very very fast.
>>334576250
Witcher 1 borrowed its chapters straight from the books and just replaced some of the characters. Triss and Alvin were originally Yen and Ciri, for instance.
>>334576792
>>334576491
This only applies the the Witcher 1, after that the games go their own way.
>>334572508
We need both, not neceserrily in the same game.
>>334572691
>"I am the ultimate contrarian" - the shitpost
>>334576735
I have and no matter how disappointing some parts were it was still better than the story in the games. Yes, I know all about LotL and how rushed it was. Well besides SoS. Should have just named it The Witcher: literally pointless prequel.
Anyone remember what this was about?
>>334576845
A decent chunk of the plot of the second game is literally Thanedd 2.0 + Yen'a arc.
>>334576061
Literally the only worthwhile post in this thread
>>334576845
>the games go their own way
3 pulls a bunch more characters and references from the books and builds on them.
>>334575669
>games literally contradict what we see in the books
Howso?
The Longest Journey shows that in an adventure game a good story can take a mixed series of puzzles feel more inviting than tedious.
Salammbo, same thing, but with a unusual story and aesthetic.
Actually I like everything I've played by Quantic, even the weaker ones, and it's generally because they play unlike mainstream games and are fairly well written.
Mass Effect had both. A deep and engrossing story, some of the writing was actually great, and the play suited the theme (less shooty star wars, more spy thriller and star trek.
It's not even about gameplay vs story. It's just disappointing that stories in these games are told via showing you a movie. Game should have more creative ways to tell a story. At least in a way that justifies them being games.
>>334577326
>The Longest Journey
I'm still mad
>>334572897
this
>all those hipsters shitting on the MP trying to force the "TLOU is the Citizen Kane of gaming" meme
>>334577292
Geralt and Yen are considered to have died to the world in 1268. Yeah they lived but they don't resurface in the public eye and their tale ended there. The White frost is something completely different. Alvin should not exist. Witch hunt last way longer than what we get. The plague doesn't get cured. Action taken by Geralt and Ciri in the the third game contradict the future we get in the books. White frost never gets stopped. Emhyr marries fake Ciri and literally passes her off as Ciri and rules a long time with her.
>>334572508
>fallout 4
>skyrim
>GREAT STORY
Holy shit, was this made by one of those "true gamers" that only play games with biggest hype among normies to be relevant?
>>334575186
I ike HL2, but the guy that made this is delusional
MGS would fit more in an middle point
I don't get why people get so mad about story on videogames, the bad thing about choices in story is that they're shitty black or white, boring same thing happens but with A instead of B, or other lazy stuff (telltale games are probably the best example of all this)
>>334572508
> The Last of Us
> Video game
>>334575060
This.
I can safely say that Morrowind is the finest novel written in videogame fiction. A 40 hour narrative whose main character is only ever referenced is almost Nabokovian in aspiration, and prophecies whose truth is determined only by the player is akin to Borges if he only had been born with a USB port in the back of his beloved neck.
There is a fine line between celebrated tradition tuned to masterstrokes by its crafters and cliche'd demons underneath volcanos. Morrowind is the former, >>334573879, and nowhere near the latter.
>>334577727
>I don't get why people get so mad about story on videogames
games are about interactivity, stories can not handle interactivity
>choices in story
That's not a game
>>334572508
we just need good games okay
>>334577326
>Mass Effect had both. A deep and engrossing story, some of the writing was actually great, and the play suited the theme (less shooty star wars, more spy thriller and star trek.
Shame 3 had to come along and ruin it all.
>good story coming from the west
stop
>>334577025
T&A iirc
>>334579147
>Good story coming from the east
Gooks have been fucking retarded with their storytelling since ancient times.
>>334573086
>it's an anon compares books and games as a story telling medium episode
>>334577972
Not really. ME was never some high quality RPG people like to pretend in retrospective. It was basically your TPS crowd aka Uncharted and Gears of War's first contact with RPG and light enough in order not to confuse them so it had them by the balls. Fact it was one of the few SF RPGs with high production values also helped.
>>334573661
catch people's attention at the E3
>>334572508
ironically, tlou's MP was better than the story mode
