Honestly, I felt like this game was pretty damn great.The beginning was kind of slow but the end just fucks me up man. Don't know why everyone hates this game.
>>334564532
They hate it because OH NO A DIFFERENT PROTAG
Little bitch ass niggas...
>>334564532
>Don't know why everyone hates this game.
But they don't?
Nobody hates the game anymore.
It got a sharp reaction at first, but everyone's warmed up to it after the fact as an incredibly unique idea of a sequel.
everything is true
the only lie is the one we tell ourselves
the government doesn't lie to us
it gestures the truth
read the principles of our founding fathers
they lead to the path of freedom
for only they truly know what men deserve
and what context can do to destroy a country
I think it sucks because the environment you spend the vast majority of time on is boring, you have to backtrack through it thrice, the boss fights are nearly all terrible, with one or two exceptions and the cool TECHNOLOGY Stealth feeling is only there in the Tanker, where it feels like the big slice of pie that they actually worked on.
It gets admittedly cool at the end when it goes really weird and mindfucky, but that ending is retarded in my opinion, it felt surreal but not in a good way, it was a good idea with poor execution.
With that said, compared to MGS 4, MGS 2 is a masterpiece.
Interesting game, I enjoyed it very much.
While MGS1 critiqued our abuse of technological and biological advances, MGS2 looks more closely at our social advances. Though the game was released in 2001, Kojima knew where we were headed with the Internet.
In the old days, people went about their lives, and shared stories and information with local communities. Photos were taken rarely, and the best ones were chosen to be framed in albums.
But now everyone has at least one form of a blog, whether it be Facebook or Twitter. We share stories and statuses, and advanced cameras allow for thousands of pictures to be taken. There is now an abundance of information, whether it be text, photo, or video, and they are put up on globalized networks.
The beauty of the game is that we can interpret this critique in multiple ways. Personally, I think Kojima is saying that this abundance of information blurs the line between reality and the virtual. Almost everything is accessible, even when you're outside with a cell phone, and we take that for granted, we hide, censor, ignore, scroll down across "junk" information. How do we know for sure that the things we do not ignore are real?
Kojima then seems to speak his own words through Solid Snake at the end, that we should treasure and pass on our experiences, rather than over-depend on and abuse information.
>Why do people hate this game
>Backtracking to the same place over and over
>The escort mission with swimming
>Those swimming controls
>Those Sword controls
The aiming in general feels wrong but that's my fault because i played mgs3 first.
>How annoying rose can be
I don't mind raiden but fuck rose.
savor it OP because you basically completed MGS
MGS4 was a decent attempt though, despite all encumberance
>>334569645
That capacity for multiple interpretations seems to give me a different experience every time I replay the game. You tend to look at the little things in a different light, and see meanings and design philosophies behind them. MGS2 is a very thought-provoking game and I'm surprised a Japanese director dared to take such an approach in game design.
Rose is annoying, the backtracking is a bit offputting and the first person tranq destroys 99% of the difficulty. It's a great game though.
>>334564532
Only people who shit on it are mgs3 babies that think that is the best in the series. Mgs2 is a fucking masterpiece, I've beaten it dozens of times over the years and it always gets me. It's fantastic.
>>334570227
>I love this game and people who love another game that i hate are wrong
You're a piece of shit.
It lacks game play meat. When you are in control the game is fun but there is constant interruptions that really hurt the experience.
Also I didn't like the boss fights as there were too few in comparison to MGS1.
>>334564532
>Don't know why everyone hates this game.
Really? With all the recycled levels and assets, terrible bosses and awful level design in the form of swimming and escort missions,how could you actually enjoy playing the game?
The story is interesting sure, but the game is awful.
>>334570326
They don't simply love another game, I love another game I love both. But the mgs3 babies like to shit on 2 and that's what you see in mgs threads since V came out, it is absolutely true.
MGS3 is objectively better than MGS2. I love MGS2, I love it so much, but it just isn't as good. There is way too many cutscenes that don't do anything important, or go on way too long. Meanwhile, MGS3 has cutscenes, but they're all fun to watch, like Snake jumping off that bridge, or Volgin punching that barrel, or Ocelot being a weirdo. Same with codecs- Half of MGS2's codecs go absolutely nowhere.
But most importantly the variety and replayability of MGS3 trumps MGS2. MGS2 is a game filled with interruptions, escort sections, swimming parts, tons of backtracking, and few memorable boss encounters. MGS3 has little to no backtracking, only one small escort section, and all the boss fights are super memorable. Even if some of the bosses aren't too deep in complexity, you still have people like The Boss or Ocelot.
>>334570553
MGS3 has no VR missions
>>334565867
>?
Stop doing this?
>>334564532
Because raiden and that's literally it.
It's a really great game, unfortunately some faggots can't put up with not being manly mcbeeington for a day.
If they just altered the story slightly so you could play as solid snake instead it would received just as well as MGS3 by the masses.
>>334570553
I't definitely a matter of taste, I couldnt stand MGS3's spy movie aesthetic, awful characterisation (bar Ocelot), and tacked on survival mechanics. The core stealth gameplay was fantastic, but everything else was utter shit IMO
>>334569645
>>334570187
I think that's why I didn't like MGS4 too much, the reason is similar to why I didn't like Deus Ex Invisible War either.
In the first games, the protagonists were used as vehicles of exploring the central ideas and discussions, and because of these experiences, their fates were seemingly open to the imagination, until the sequels set their stories in stone. Instead of leaving things on an optimistic or positive note, we are told that JC became a machine god, Raiden turned into a cyborg ninja, and Snake grew very old.
I didn't hate those sequels, they were pretty fun, but the beauty of the previous games were not realized.
>>334570532
>People can't dislike what i like
Kill yourself soon please.
>>334570768
I disagree and this seems to be the thought of mgs2 babies when it just isn't true, Snake overall works better as a side character and he is much more enjoyable as pliskin than when we have to play as him.
>>334570405
Just saw this on the frontpage
You're fucking retarded
best MGS game in terms of story and gameplay. Each area brings something new to do, it's the most challenging, and the only one where the ai is competent
>>334564532
MGS2 basically perfected the Metal Gear formula, then every other game fucked it in the ass by gradually turning it into a third person shooter
>>334570897
>You're fucking retarded
>He says this after using no punctuation
Anon, come on now.
>>334570553
>There is way too many cutscenes that don't do anything important
False
>like Snake jumping off that bridge, or Volgin punching that barrel
Whoah dude so cool. How about Solidus' first appearance and the harrier fight? The whole end of the tanker? The meeting with the president?
>Same with codecs- Half of MGS2's codecs go absolutely nowhere
Also false.
>MGS2 little replayability isn't high
>backtracking as a negative
The map isn't huge or anything, it's just walkways leading to small buildings. You act as if it's a huge landscape to traverse and you just can't handle it. I can beat the game in 8 hours flat it isn't that bad.
I love this game, but does anyone else think the Extreme difficulty is just ridiculous?
Even Hard was troubling enough for me.
>>334571012
>Backtracking is positive
You fucking MGS2 babies will come up with the most retarded shit to say when someone insults your shitty game.
>>334571018
are you kidding me? that was one of the best things about it, it's why tranq/stun is so fun to use, it's the only game where it isn't an auto win weapon
>>334571064
MGS2 is the last MGS game where the setting itself actually had personality.
Backtracking is a huge part of that
>>334570897
Nope point still stands. Great mechanics and barely enough time to make use of them because you are always doing a stupid activity.
>Bomb disposal
>Swimming with Emma
>Pacemaker searching
>420 Sniping
>Dodging piss
>Holding hands with Emma
>>334571064
I'm not saying it's a positive you faggot I'm just saying it isn't a big deal to list as a negative. The backtracking is minimal and the areas are so relatively small it can all be done in 10 minutes if you know what you're doing. Nice logical fallacy.
>>334571161
>holding hands with Emma
>not tranqing her and just dragging her body
fucking pleb
>>334571127
>Personality
>Just a bunch of lifeless halls
>>334571178
>Backtracking as a negative
This would mean that you think it isn't when it is just to pad the length of the game, you're fucking retarded.
>>334571064
>You fucking MGS2 babies
nice non-argument, he made a completely valid point in regards to backtracking by the way. the map design pretty much negates most of the annoyances traditionally brought about by backtracking, like in MGS1
>hate
I've played it more times than any other in the series
>>334570553
>mgs3 has swimming and you literally have to replay the same area in the dark a few minutes into the game
>>334571127
>MGS2 is the last MGS game where the setting itself actually had personality.
Big Shell had no personality whatsoever. It's in fact the most boring setting of all the Metal Gear games. All of them.
>>334571018
nah better to the have the higher difficulties mean something
you can always just play on normal or even easy if you want to sleep through the game and focus on the story
>>334571219
>It's ok to call someone nostalgia baby for liking mgs1
>It's ok to call someone mgs3 baby for liking mgs3
>But not mgs2
MGS2 fans are cancer.
>>334571209
You eventually have to do that to get her past the bugs. Thanks Kojima.
>>334564532
Wounds heal.
It's a hilariously bad and shitty attempt from Kojima at being 2deep4u.
All that post-modernist crap is laughable and the fact that it's praised is proof that narrative in videogames is still a living joke.
>>334571336
...I never even thought of that, I always used the coolant spray to make them retreat into the wall
>>334571336
no you don't, I remember getting rid of the bugs someway
MGS2 is crazy in its "no way this is gonna work" things
>>334571218
>This would mean that you think it isn't when it is just to pad the length of the game, you're fucking retarded.
Yes it means I don't think that, not that I necessarily think it's a positive dumbass.
>just to pad the length of the game
Oh fuck off moron, the game is like 10-12 hours MAX anyways and the backtracking part is the worst in bomb disposal and can be done in 10-15 minutes. WOW SUCH PADDING TO LENGTHEN THE GAME. You're a dipshit.
>>334571127
Big Shell was a lifeless bunch of corridors.
Not a single level in the entirety of this franchise has had personality.
>>334571304
You can like 3, it's a great game but 2 still holds the crown.
>>334571161
>Great mechanics and barely enough time to make use of them because you are always doing a stupid activity.
this applies to nearly every MGS game
MGS1
>actual stealth gameplay makes up about 30% of the game
MGS3
>menus menus boss fight menus menus menus boss fight menus
>>334571395
Raiden is literally you! Did you see the Dog tags?
WOOOOOOWWWW
>>334571336
Use coolant
>>334571336
>>334571404
>not bowing them away with launchers and grenades and watching them splat the screen
Plebs
>>334571425
>Backtracking for the bombs
>Backtracking to strut F for the sniper
You have to backtrack for something for snake but i forgot what.
http://youtu.be/1m4tYUfYCj4
I CAAAAAAN'T SAY GOODBYE TO YESTERDAY MY FRIEND
I hated the fact that TPP didn't include older songs like this. I'd take that over licensed music.
GREAT AND WORTH PLAYING TIER.
mgs1 (twin snakes)
mgs2
OK TIER
mgs4
mgs5
BRUTAL KIDDIE CASH IN 007 TIER
mgs3
>reminder mgs3 was originally to be released for ps3.
young ocelot is a massive pleb , I could not help but hate his character in snake eater.
triple agent stuff was cool tho and going up heavily defended mountain.
>>334571304
You're getting awfully mad for no reason, go outside and go for a walk
>>334571607
>twin snakes
Kill yourself
>>334571523
the menu shit really kills mgs3 for me
I can't believe some people say the camo is better in 3 than 4
>>334571607
slow the fuck down m9. I dont even like 3 but at least acknowledge it as a good game
>>334571229
Same here, it's definitely been at least 15 times for me. I love em all though, I can go back to any game in the series and have a great time.
Yes even 4
>>334571587
it did but only for snake eater
>>334571607
>Great
MGS3
MGGB
>Ok
MGS1
MGSV
>Shit
MGS2
MGS4
:^)
>>334571607
I like how Snake humbled him many times.
>>>>334570405
But MGS1, after the first few hours or so, descends into nothing but boss fights or special encounters.
I just replayed it a couple weeks ago too.
That ending is still just so heavy, it's so fucking spot on too. Hell pretty much everything the ai's say is pretty spot on, how did kojima manage to make this? Shit is crazy. I wish Raiden would have just joined up with Solidus or something, he didn't have to kill him. Should have went against it.
>>334571607
V would be so much better if they just added a fucking NG option. Like fuck man who wants to grind those places again, not enjoy the story again, and "replay missions" I mean something just doesn't feel right about selecting a mission I've already completed over and over.
>>334571849
Even with all the shit that happened Raiden still didn't fully grasp what Solidus was doing and by the time he did it was too late
>hate on the game
I thoroughly enjoyed every metal gear. Even V.
As far as MGS2:
Snake Tales > Tanker Incident > VR Missions > Big Shell Incident
>>334564532
Normalfags hate it because of Raiden
I disliked the cover controls, static camera, the fact that new guards run to an area once you disable all the old guards (which defeats the point of even trying to take them out) and the twist ending that was just a tad bit retarded.
Everything else was exceptional - probably the best sequel ever made.
Great Tier
>MGS2
>MGS3
Good Tier
>MGS1
>MGS4
>MGSGZ
Disappointment Tier
>MGSTPP
>>334571985
When did he even? 4? Arguable since he gets his ass played in MGR yet again. I actually feel bad for him, he was just used his entire life over and over.
>>334572009
I've never done snake tales, are you memeing me son?
>>334571968
And the way the tapes get dumped on you all out of order makes it impossible to know which to listen to when
Could just scrap my file but then I'm building mother base from scratch again
>>334571849
Solidus is still a piece of shit though. Using child soldiers and torture.
Ends don't justify the means.
>>334572042
I was genuinely happy for him by the end of MGS4 with his family. but then MGR happened
>>334572223
Well they kind of do, but not in Solidus case because he's clearly evil.
>>334572123
I really liked Snake Tales. Get to play extra missions as Snake is always good.
>increased difficulty
>hunting Meryl
>Dat MGS1 sneaking suit
>Gurlugon
>>334564532
Well you have to play as a flamboyant homosexual as a protagonist in an action stealth game, and some people don't find that to work well for them. It also had a rather shitty story. But it wasn't a bad game by any means. People here hate everything that isn't pong.
>>334568165
>it was a good idea with poor execution.
sums up most hideo kojima games
>>334572551
I hate pong too
>>334572245
NOT CANON
>>334572551
I'm glad you played as Raiden
Snake as a supporting character>Snake as player character
>>334570227
Mgs 3 is literally the best game in the series though. Sorry that you're so wrong, I wish I could help you see things correctly. But that is something only you can do for yourself.
People didn't like it because they didn't like Raiden's hair.
Same reason people didn't like DmC.
>>334571849
>>334572223
And besides, Solidus wanted to kill Raiden anyway so he could use the nanomachines in his brain to find the location of the Patriots.
I think some would argue that Solidus' intentions were anti-heroic as opposed to purely villainous.
>>334572551
>missing the entire point
>>334572551
but raiden is canonically straight, not the game's fault that people project their own insecurities onto him. he can also do anything as good, if not better than snake, and he's generally less of an autist than solid or BB
>>334572009
same here anon :)
its easy to criticize , they are all great games in there own special snowflake kinda way.
mgs3 is the weakest for me.
>weakest story
>most child-like story
>most bond like story
> open map but its not really
>menu's
>young ocelot pleb
>volgin straight from james bond movies
>boss fights are not fun.
to be fair to mgs 3 I played it after playing 1,2,4 ,and just before the release of 5 when I was getting a little older.
Its just too much like a james bond movie , which in my opinion is a step down story-wise from mgs2, which had a great story.
>best scene from mgs2 coming threw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOE6dKGQq7Y
Say what you want about the game, but this opening. This fucking opening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epHQ81c5QsM
>>334572135
What do you mean? Just go down the list
>>334569907
>>The escort mission with swimming
I can literally do that with my eyes closed now. I guess no one listened when pliskin said to drum the map into your head.
>>334572551
Raiden isn't flamboyant at all, he gets shit done. He sounds like he's complaining at times but who wouldn't? Everything is just shady as fuck as time goes on and he slowly finds out how he's being manipulated. The only gay thing was how by the end he didn't even seem to understand what was happening.
>>334572993
GOAT
>>334572993
What about it.
>>334569907
>The escort mission with swimming
and despite the "underwater escort mission" meme, it wasn't even that bad
>>334572837
Oh ok, I guess I meant metrosexual with homoerotic tendencies. Sorry for the confusion. I understand that gay individuals such as yourself would probably enjoy him more, but most gamers, the vast majority, are straight and have a harder time identifying with a feminine ladyboy. But there's definitely nothing wrong with preferring Raiden, it's simply a matter of taste. Even if you have a hard time identifying with a gender fluid "straight" character, you can't deny that the gameplay was pretty good and the story was interesting at the very least.
>>334564532
Because the level design is shit, there's loads of tedious, needless backtracking and all of the boss fights are terrible, the only the redeeming gameplay feature is the quality standard infantry combat AI which is also wasted since you have comically large amounts of health.
>>334573009
If I'm trying to experience the story correctly I can't be listening to tapes that I shouldn't have at that point in the game, only remedy to that is starting a completely new file but fuck that
>>334572932
My fucking nigger. Such a comfy scene, although my personal favorite is where Emma dies and otacon sadly rambles. Always get me.
>>334573369
Ah yes I see what you mean, I agree. I wish they would add a NG feature it could benefit the game greatly.
>>334571968
love the gameplay in 5, but jumping in and out of that heli every mission gets old real fast.
anon's ? can I ask what is the final mission in five ?
There seems to be some missions missing in my list.
im the kind of player that run's through the first play,,,for the story only. so therefore I don't have top/gold/100% for all completed missions.
>>334573292
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, maybe i touched a nerve by insinuating that you're sexually insecure because you misinterpreted a character's sexuality based on his looks and ignoring his actual character like the vast majority of people have done, but at least we can agree the gameplay is great.
>>334572732
What's wrong with my hair?
>>334573396
>That whole exchange between Emma and Otacon as she lay dying
Otacon had a hard life
>>334573489
The mission order gets fucked up at the end if I remember correctly. I think the last mission is the one where you have to go deal with the parasite outbreak on the quarantine platform. Maybe one after that. It isn't very clear because you expect that you're gonna go out and track down Eli but you actually don't because Konami are a bunch of greedy gooks who don't give a flying fuck about their customers. So I think it's like 58 is the last mssion. Then you have to replay the intro mission where you crawl around for five hours. It's slightly altered but it isn't really wirth doing unless you hate yourself, in which case it's an excellent exercise in masochism. Honeatly though, give the glans of your penis a papercut is more bearable than replaying that bullshit over again.
>>334571658
whats not tolike ?
>better graphics
>better controls
>smoother play
>Mario 1-up's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbakpzPGB0c
>>334573664
Oh, honestly I was just being intentionally antagonistic because starting arguments with strangers on the internet is really entertaining for me. But I do agree with the gameplay being great.
>>334573791
Could have definitely did the twist far better but at least the quarantine mission was pretty based.
>>334564532
Now go back, ace those VR missions, and find all the TECHNOLOGY and secrets hidden in the game.
You'll have a fucking blast.
>>334573791
thanks anon , I have done those mission's haha thank's for reminding me how much I hate myself kek.
Just go's to show how unrememberable mgs5 was.
I loved the gameplay in 5 so much ,but the map/open world just feels so bare and lifeless.
mgs2 feels like mgs1
mgs5 feels like mgs3
mgs4 to ????
Was the Big Shell literally a construction stuck on the top of Arsenal Gear? Or were they only connected by elevator? I never fully understood this architecture
One hour of cheesy cutscenes at the end are making it worse, though.
>>334574316
How old are you?
>>334574316
MGS4 is like a big fucking movie.
>>334564532
>MGS2
>FF8
>Chrono Cross
God tier games being hated for no reason? Welcome to Earth nigga.
>>334574442
I think the former considering arsenal completely detaches at the end.
>>334574316
>I loved the gameplay in 5 so much ,but the map/open world just feels so bare and lifeless.
Yeah I think in the game they explain that the Soviets displaced all of the civilians but that seems like a pretty lazy copout. Then again civilians would probably not really work with what they were going for. It would add a tedious element the the stealth aspect. It'd be one more enemy that you need to neutralize. I spent a lot of time in this game, even aside from the 80 or so hours I let the game run while I was at work to finish research projects. It was definitely worth it, but man it is just so blatantly obvious that the game was rushed. An entire fucking section of the game is missing. God damn.
>>334572932
>MGS3 seems weakest
I agree personally. You don't have to play 4 and Ground Zeroes to notice how flawed MGS3 is in those departments.
A lot of people seem to dig into 2 and 4 for cutscenes but they're better than the very lengthy codec conversations in MGS3 or the long long lectures by Sokolov, Grannin, and Volgin. I mean that having cutscenes with things going on alongside codec scenes make an MGS game more entertaining than just seeing a silhouette of big boss on one leg talking on the codec for lengthy periods of time.
And for goodness sake after you finish the virtuous mission and land on the same site on the actual mission, Major Zero gives you a crash course of the same materials Snake already learned, the same that the player already listened to just minutes prior. It feels like procrastination.
>went to all the trouble rehearsing for this operation already and the first thing snake does is talk after he lands.
What makes MGS2 better is that it has both codec conversations and cutscenes. A lot of them, and that they aren't needlessly long. Just long enough and are very insightful.
>Raiden enters the Big Shell
>He tells the colonel he's in, and the colonel signals the start of the operation
>The player then gets to take control, immediately
I didn't feel like MGS2 treated me like a fool. And I really appreciate that.
>>334574786
old , why ?
don't judge me on my shit grammer please.
>>334572551
>shitty story
when will this meme end
>>334575115
Once reddit finally takes over this board completely.
>>334575115
But it does have a shit story.
>>334571336
You can put her in a choke hold and drag her to the elevator
>>334572643
MGR and PO are canon.
>>334572538
That reminds me. I've got to finish those. Suck in the Plant Parcel room that has a whole bunch of alert phase guards come at you.
it's hard :(
>>334573791
Do konami have any palns for a new update to insert the missing mission's or are they gonna be DLC whore's and charging us plebs to finish their unfinished game.
its been a while since I booted up my mgs5
>>334564532
it was made shitty on purpose to play on the expectation of the series fans
since you liked it you're not one of them
mgs1
mgs2
mgs4
mgs5
mgs3
they all have good high's but are not with-out flaws.
>>334576709
best game mgs 1
best story mgs2
best looking mgs4
best missions mgs5
best pleb game mgs3
>>334577290
code talker mission is pretty based.
what other mission are worth playing in mgs5 anon's
>>334577440
Pretty much every time you have to infiltrate e big compound it's a mission worth playing.
Fuck tailing missions though, they are the worst in every video game.
>>334578169
agree anon.
>mgs3 worst mission coming threw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEm6Gh6QRDo
>>334571607
Plot:
MGS1 = 2 >3 > 4 > V
Gameplay:
MGSV > 4 > 2 > 1 > 3
Overall package:
MGS2 > MGS1 > MGS4 > MGS3 > MGSV
Portable shit and Peace garbage not even applicable.
Anyone calling V a Metal Gear game is clearly new to the series. It plays absolutely nothing like MGS. All the little Metal Gear-y things they removed confirms that Kojima never meant for it to be part of the series.
>distinct lack of bosses
>structured completely differently
>first took away the recognisable voice of Snake, and then took away most of his lines
>can't pick up and drop enemy bodies to search for items
>the codec, enough said really
>no colourful support team
>no colourful array of enemy henchmen
>the big robot boss looks like a Gundam
>getting seen triggers a slow-mo autoaim mode
>Snake can see enemies through walls
It's really more of a Splinter Cell game honestly.
>>334579216
It was meant to be Peace Walker 2. I read somewhere that Kojima intended for it to be a psp release.
>>334579216
at the very least they were trying to do something a bit different.
muh fifa
muh cod
muh bosses
etc samey pish out every year.
>>334571018
>he hasn't beaten mgs2 on euro extreme no radar game over on site
Casual
>>334580962
I've always wondered why it's called European extreme. Why not just "Extreme+" or something?
>>334578540
You do realise that you can knock EVA out and drag her to the end right? Also, it's literally impossible to get detected during the first part of the escort if you keep pressing forward and don't stop.
>>334571607
>young ocelot is a massive pleb , I could not help but hate his character in snake eater.
What the fuck is this shit taste?
>>334581609
I WISH I COULD HAVE JUST SHOT HER AND LEFT HER BEHIND,also I could skip that horrible boss fight at the end.
>>334581603
Because European Extreme was Extreme difficulty in the European release.
>>334581847
But it's still called european extreme in Europe, where I live. This isn't in the Substance release either, so it can't be some sort of updated version.
Am I the only one who actually likes the backtracking in MGS2?
>>334582253
Backtracking isn't inherently bad. If the game is fun, then backtracking through areas is fun.
pls post some art in the style of the covers, I really like it
>>334582110
It is an updated version. They added it to the European release of Sons of Liberty which came out like six months after the others.
>>334571607
>twin snakes
Dude....
>>334572551
>flamboyant homosexual
Would bang Raiden any day. Dose hips + i bet he has a feminine penis.
>>334582714
whats not tolike ?
>better graphics
>better controls
>smoother play
>Mario 1-up's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbakpzPGB0c [Embed]
>>334564532
All I had to complain about, is that the aim & the shoot button was the same button.
That shit wasn't funny when you sneak & then tries to aim, but then you shoot by mistake...
ground zero is better than mgs3 alone
bomp
>>334565812
>They hate it because OH NO A DIFFERENT PROTAG
the quality of the game tanks after the protags switch.
Doesn't help that the new guy is such a piece of shit
>>334564532
it was the only game in the series that actually makes you think the others were more like action flicks
>>334587154
>it was the only game in the series that actually makes you think
yeah. "What the fuck is going on in this game?" when you get to Arsenal Gear
>>334583350
>That shit wasn't funny when you sneak & then tries to aim, but then you shoot by mistake...
That's probably the point. Kojima like to troll.
>>334587283
nah the message was clear if you look back on it but most people just don't want to spend five minutes
>>334587383
>nah the message
the the one where Snake tells Raiden to be his own character? Yeah, he carried that to MGS4
>>334569907
Rose is a good character because we hate her.
She was intentionally designed off Kojimas experiences with Women.
>>334587794
So she is a good character because she was shit on purpose?
That logic makes no sense
>>334565867
I don't remember the game looking that shitty
