So can we agree Toot is the biggest blunder of the year?
>brutal doom kiddies reviews
HA
>>334551237
it's april and the game isn't even officially released yet
i didn't enjoy the beta but this thread is silly
What's all the hate for though? Most of what I see is the complaints about it not being close to original doom which is a bit ridiculous since the game hasn't even come out yet. As a fan of the series I'm confused by the hate. My friends and I have been having fun during the 2 betas so far.
>>334551237
>34% negative
What went wrong? How did they fuck it up this bad?
>>334551292
>needing scapegoats to justify this shit
lol nice
>>334551326
>>334551426
>game comes out in a month
>i-its just a B E T A
>>334551517
And?
>>334551576
They aren't going to fix the fucking game's problems in a month.
And thats considering that one of its biggest problems is that its fucking slow
no, in fact by modern standards it's quite good
>>334551237
plenty of year left
and I have no idea why this whole series of betas is mp only, seems retarded.
I'll probably get this on sale for the single player campaign if it's at least 6-8 hours and plays fairly well despite the OpenGL 60 fps cap bullshit.
>>334551237
The MP is outsourced to Certain Affinity. What are the chances that the SP feels different?
>>334551326
>>334551426
>doom mp
>halo-ish uniforms
>unlockables, levels, grinding
>taunts
>load outs
>shotgun + roquet lawn-chair
>hack modules
>level design
>>334551237
The "but it's a beta" meme is one of the reasons these types of shitty games keep getting made.
>>334551237
If they manage to fuck up the campaign then I'll be pissed. All id is doing is the campaign, they've had years to work on it, they have one fucking job. If the campaign sucks, that's it, I'm finding something new to spend my time and money on. D44M is the last chance I'm giving to modern games.
>>334551237
I lasted about 45 minutes in the doom demo. You can't beat my high score.
>>334551945
It does have more problems than that though. The air control is fucking shit especially when you use the second jump which ends up rape the pacing and momentum to the game. The hack modules are completely worthless and are better off as modifiers in the game settings or power ups/pickups on the map. Loadouts encourages using the best weapons leaving other to collect dust and the equipment use is sketchy at best. Even the melee/glory kills have no sense of weight to them so they feel like an afterthought
The multiplayer is so fucking inconsistent it ends up pleasing almost nobody.
Revenant is so fucking bullshit. I played 5 rounds? And I have no idea if its spawn location is RNG or fixed.
>>334553529
Fixed in a variety of locations
>>334551237
IT'S
A
BETA
RETARDS
>>334553529
it has a couple of set spawn points but it randomly chooses which one
they are really trying to discourage item control
>>334551237
Im hoping that they will let us tweak the match variables in the full release like upping speed or weapon power and shit
>>334553698
>Mod ability things tell you where and when they spawn
>>334553604
>>334553698
I know it is fixed but I want to know if the spawn pattern is fixed. Revenant is some hot OP bullshit. I got it 1 time during my first time and I turned a 20:8 score line into a victory.
>>334551237
>Toot
>Not Doot
Honestly, I see a lot of potential in the game if it can be modded.
Or hell, maybe the dev will add a classic modifier that removes all the stupid bullshit.
But that would require not having their heads up their asses, so I doubt it.
>>334554170
No way they don't fix their game after this backlash
>>334554276
AAA devs can go either way, really.
I think it's a load of politics going on in larger studios to be honest.
>>334554170
I think the level creation will let you do whatever hopefully it works for pvp and not just co-op levels
>>334554393
I won't consider ID an AAA dev.
>>334554409
Level creator might not disable loadouts, or allow for weapon placements, speed changes, other mechanics, etc.
The maps don't seem too bad, except that the bits that are designed around the double-jump-climb shit.
>>334554170
>if it can be modded.
Shit out of luck, confirmed no mods
>>334554013
>>334551237
>>334554502
I would. They're a Bethesda company with over 200 employees.
>>334554707
Bethesda is the publisher. They aren't the studio working on the game. Much like Dishonored 2 isn't being made by Bethesda.
>>334554598
Well, then this is shit is dead on arrival unless a Christmas miracle occurs 7 months early.
>>334551237
biggest pile of shit i ever tried fuck Toot and fuck bethesda they fucked id over. they ruined wrpgs with tes and failout.
>>334554804
ID is owned by Zenimax, the same parent company that owns Bethesda, so I misspoke. The fact is that the company still has over 200 employees, has a bunch of marketing, advertising, and the game is having a lot of money poured into it.
>>334553690
And if people don't complain about problems in the beta stage, the developers won't know to fix them in the final release. The purpose of a beta release is to identify problems and fix them.
What was your point?
I'm so torn on downloading it to try it out.
One one hand, hey it's a free beta and I don't really lose anything by trying it out.
On the other hand, I hate disappointment and wasting my time. I also wanted a game more like the original Doom, and from what I hear it sounds like a Halo clone. And I'm not too interested in Halo's gameplay.
Is it at least fast paced?
>>334552797
>multiplayer is bad
>single player is the best its ever been
It'd be pretty funny if it were true, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
>>334555150
>fast paced
nah, you move slow as shit, one of my biggest complaints about it
the plus side is none of these fucking people know how to aim without ADS so I had a pretty easy time killing people with rockets
>>334551237
Hey, from what I heard this game at least tries to be like the old doom games with open levels, secret areas, multiple weapons, etc. I was a huge fan of duke nukem 3D and I got the turd that was forever. All i'm saying is that it at least looks better and more true to the original doom games than forever was to duke nukem 3D. I'm still mad.
>>334554929
Doesn't make it an AAA studio. At best A.
>>334555401
Can you give me an actual fucking definition for what a AAA studio is?
200+ employees sounds pretty fucking AAA to me.
>>334555259
Welp, fucking dropped then.
Shame.
>>334551237
When did the revenant become the poster boy of doom?
>>334555559
just go play quake live for your arena FPS fix
>>334555501
200+ employees doesn't mean all 200+ are at IDtech or are working on Doom.
>>334551237
Doom 2016 seems to be destine for the forgettable bargin bin, but I wouldn't say it is a "blunder" per se as any reasonable person would not have held out hope for a Cormac/Romero-less Doom in the first place. In fact, it might be a bit better than I had placed my low expectations.
>>334551237
>The SP isn't even out yet
>>334555661
Fair, so what's your fucking definition, you little piece of shit?
>>334555150
base game is pretty slow
there is a haste power up
this should have been the base speed of the game with maybe slightly lower reload speed but this wouldn't work with controllers
>>334555754
Size of the studio and budget.
>>334551237
>beta
>multiplayer
>only two maps
>only two modes
Damn, why people is so fucking idiot
the multiplayer is nice, with a decent speed. Now we have to wait for a good singleplayer
>>334555836
Okay, that's a good start.
What size and what budget?
>>334555401
AAA doesn't actually mean anything it's the same for "blockbuster" movies
what people perceive it to mean is assurance of quality (which isn't necessarily true) and huge budget
>>334555652
>just go play Reflex for your arena FPS fix
ftfy
>>334555931
Doom doesn't look huge budget to me.
>>334555923
The maps and the modes are not the problem most people have with the game. Stop shilling for ID.
>>334556045
neither does SWTOR, but we know how large that fucking budget was
>>334556121
I don't Zenimax has as much money to throw at Doom as EA did.
>>334555923
>with a decent speed
You really think so? It's way slower than any of the previous games.
How did they fuck it up so badly? This is so boring. Even MGO3 is more fun than this.
>>334555931
>early access
>3 game modes
>26 playing now
>53 today's peak
>169 all-time peak
>>334556198
True, it won't be the size of a small country's GDP, but that doesn't mean the budget can't still be large.
And you still haven't told me your numbers for what constitutes a AAA developer or game, so you can just go fuck off now.
>>334555923
The maps and modes are fine; the game itself is just slow and fucking boring.
>>334551426
Quakefags are utterly perplexed that Doom multiplayer is somehow not Quake.
>>334556456
You haven't told me what your numbers are either or do you sprout muh AAA game every time you see a somewhat popular game?
>>334556652
I think a developer with over 100 employees and a budget over 10 million is AAA.
What are your numbers?
>>334556571
>Doomfags are utterly perplexed that Doom multiplayer is somehow not Doom.
FTFY faggot
>>334556045
It is though. Bethesda have probably blown over 1 or 200 million on it
>>334556346
i was sceptical that it was just another quake 3 clone but it really is miles better even in early access.
there are more people that play off and on that steamcharts doesn't show but you can find a game every evening in your region even if it's mostly duel, there are more than 3 modes too just wish more people would play it.
>>334556906
I'll play it if they give it a free weekend sometime, but I'm not dropping 10 bucks when Quake Live works just fine.
>>334557008
fair enough i guess they will have one when they are closer to being feature complete
>>334551237
>giving a shit about the multiplayer
>caring about the literal worst aspect of DOOM
>>334556217
what? its way faster than doom 3
and doom 1 /2 are only for old people, so fuck that
>>334553854
Hack modules? Not useful at all when it comes to the demon rune.
>>334553897
>spawn pattern
Well I guess it's not fixed, there's like six points where it can spawn on each map, and it uses RNG to decide which point it'll spawn at. I believe the respawn timer is three minutes, although that's not useful info due to the spawn behavior
I'm having fun with it it. People expecting a 1991 shooter in 2016 are fucking retarded
>>334557489
nah doom 3 is just a smaller scale, darker quake with weapons that kind of suck a bit in terms of multiplayer. If you played the singleplayer slowly that's just your fault
>doom 1 /2 are only for old people
get a load of this guy
>>334557820
What does 1991 shooter mean?
One with powerups you pick up? One where you can pick up health and armor? Exactly like the current version of this game?
Read what you type before you hit that submit, fucking faggot.
>>334558054
So what's the problem? Adding loadouts? Just play UT4 then.
>>334558138
Okay, so we're past the shitty "C'MON IT'S [current year]" meme?
Just double checking.
>>334558534
Stop memeing and answer me
>>334551237
>play multiplayer beta
>everyone just uses shotguns
>>334558679
Loadouts are really shit, because it requires the weapons to be nerfed and reduces the importance of map knowledge and control.
The speed is shit. You move slowly.
The ledge grabbing is shit, it slows the game down without much purpose (there's already double jump for moving around for fuck's sake).
The demon powerup is shit because it just gives you free kills.
Honestly I don't have a problem with skins or taunts, or that kind of cosmetic customization, because they can be fun without affecting gameplay in a negative way.
I mentioned this earlier, but really a classic game mode could fix all these problems. The ledge climbing might be a little harder to fix because the basic maps are designed with it in mind.
>>334558748
it's the most powerful weapon in the game what do you expect
Would be cool if the official release had an option to disable demon runes.
>>334551426
Loadouts and slow movement chiefly. Also the weapon balance is ass. There's no reason to use anything other than SSG and LG. And since you can spawn with them you are always god. Rocket launcher is worthless for some reason. 3 direct hits for a kill with splash range of like 2 feet, and a fire rate of 1 rocket per second.
It's not even that it's "not muh doom", it's just a mess in general
>>334559457
the demon runes and disposable perk system suck ass and are both here to stay sadly
>>334559457
I think people used the console in the leaked alpha to reveal an option to disable the demon rune on custom servers, so it probably will be an option in the final game
>le epik GAMERGATOR crusade IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT ETHICS IN DOWNVOTING crusade on their cherished treasure
Remember when people gave a shit about doom multiplayer? me neither.
>>334554170
>Honestly, I see a lot of potential in the game if it can be modded.
Bad news, anon...
>>334551237
I haven't tried it but how can a shooting frenzy shooter game like doom can get so poor of a review? Most of the reviews don't make sense and the game seems to run fine.
>>334554409
>>334554534
Snapmap is confirmed to only allow 4 players max.
Fucking DOA.
>>334551237
Wow..................a multiplayer beta getting shit reviews, never seen that before.......................
Nearly every game that does something different gets this. I remember the Destiny beta, the GTAO beta Star Wars Battlefront beta, the list goes on. Seems to me no one REALLY likes multiplayer. It's just something people do to be part of the mindless sheeple and be like the kewl kids...
>>334559703
>These people I don't like are CLEARLY Gamergate! Maybe if I meme hard enough, the sheeple will see it!
>>334560181
Hey faggot read >>334553074 and >>334559543 to get the gist of it.
>>334559703
>le gamergate boogieman
>>334551237
>>334559684
This is not DOOM. the developers are straight up cumslurping faggots.
>>334560423
Who else but gobblygoobers would go on a downvote crusade?
>>334560862
liberals, but they go the extra mile and try to get people fired and their kids taken away.
>>334559543
>SSG and LG
>LG
what?
the entire meta on pc revolves around sniper and shotgun, but i heard console players want the sniper buffed because they can't hit shit with it
>>334555923
>>334556571
>>334557820
>>334559703
>ITS A GOOD GAME
>NOBODY NEEDS SPEED
>ITS 2016 RETARDS THIS IS THE FUTURE
>GROW UP
>QUAKE QUAKE QUAKE
>GAMERGATE
/v/ just loves to be contrarian to the point they defend bad games, don't they?
>>334551237
>>334553074
>>334559543
>>334560568
>>334560181
>>334560769
>Playing a shoehorned multiplayer.
Let's get this fucking straight right now:
ID went to Bethesda and asked for both direction and suggestions on how to handle the game's development.
They made a piece of shit - it releases in a month, and there is nothing a few more maps will change from the core gameplay. Bethesda was tapped for development input, and this game was created for console shooters.
They also wanted DOOM to compete vs CoD and Modern Warfare.
Will the game even have campaign co-op or is it just Deathmatch shit?
>>334561007
I see a lot of people use sniper but I hardly ever get killed by it.
But what I do is zap people with LG as I approach them, then blow them up with the shotgun once I'm close enough. I come in 1st place in damn near every game I've played, and I have 6.5 hours.
>>334561221
>the singleplayer will be g-great i- s-swear !
>>334561259
It will have a campaign, but here is the thing
The speed and gameplay mechanics you see in this, are going to be in the fucking single player. The only difference is le ebin bloody kills are optional, and instead of two weapons, you get a GTA weapon wheel.
So its still irredeemable fucking garbage.
DOOM is going to turn out like that Star Wars Battlefront turd.
You know that game /v/ hasn't talked about since a week after its release?
>>334561386
Probably not but it's the only reason for playing the game. I never played any game JUST for the multiplayer.
>>334559703
What the fuck does Gamergate have to do with any of this?
Reported, go fuck yourself.
>>334561259
>gta weapon wheel
>instantly makes a game bad
shitlord confirmed.
>>334551237
How is it a blunder? I have read a word about it
>>334561504
What are you going to play if single player may be shit and the multi is confirmed shit as well?
What could possibly be worth SIXTY DOLLARYDOOS in this game?
>>334561553
>shitlord
boY HE DID IT
>>334561636
the only valid criticism ive seen is that the movement speed is too slow, its honestly comparable to halo because of how slow it is, but you have 10 weapons on you like a traditional id game
>>334561826
>but you have 10 weapons on you like a traditional id game
With a fucking weapon wheel, anon.
Also, the corridors look smaller, the colors look like shit, and some of the guns have some stupid ADS trash going on.
>>334561357
the sniper does 30-84 damage full charge, 124 for a full charge headshot
i don't remember the exact DPS of the lightning gun but it really didn't impress me much more than the AR or plasma rifle
>>334561651
Even if the campaign is bad I'll still finish it and stop playing once I do, still not going to fall back on the multiplayer afterwards. Just about all match based multiplayers are terrible.
>>334562017
You're probably missing with it most of the time then.
>>334561949
Why is everyone on the weapon wheel so much? It works decently enough. Lots of games have a weapon wheel, number keys or use the mouse wheel to switch weapons. Don't forget lots of people on PC play with controllers.
>>334561949
>With a fucking weapon wheel, anon
There's literally nothing wrong with this, provided you can select weapons with number keys on PC.
There is no better selection method for gamepads.
>>334561826
>but you have 10 weapons on you like a traditional id game
Only in single player.
Inexplicably, in multiplayer you have 2 weapons max and you choose which ones you spawn with through loadouts.
>>334562208
Wait do you actually want people running around with 10 weapons in game? Have you played old shooters that had this? It was insanity.
>>334562089
not really, i just prefer the better weapon
running around with a lightning gun doesnt offer the burst a sniper shot -> shotgun shot -> melee offers
>>334562348
Yes.
More importantly when people died they had to work to get it all back. That meant killing the enemy was actually significant instead of just teleporting them somewhere else on the map and giving them full health.
>>334559684
Remember when Doom was made by people like us for people like us? I think I just realised I'm old.
>>334562143
>>334562148
Alright, but a broken clock is right twice a day.
Its laced with some disgusted red/brown filter, slower than CoD, and has some real shitty looking weapons
>>334562348
>It was insanity
And it was fucking fun, unlike your gayass 2 weapon classes
SFV is the blunder of the year so far, DOOM could very well sell well on consoles desu, even if it dies.
Evolve is so dead it's a punchline but it made it's budget back. I think DOOM will too sadly.
>>334562348
>It was insanity.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>334562690
>SFV is the blunder of the year so far
But SFV is good
>>334562752
It's a financial flop. That's what really matters.
>>334553690
beta is for bugs. i dont see people complaining about bugs.
the alpha would have been the time for game changing fixes.
>>334562829
Well I guess thats the power of casuals and niGGers
>fw ive been waiting for halo 3 to come to PC for years and instead we're getting it in the form of DOOM 2016
>mod support: no
>custom game editor: yes
>in game map editor: yes
oh hey look its halo!
If people want to play DOOM at a higher level than what the beta provided, then it will likely be possible with the in game custom game editor.
Halo 3 had an enormous competitive scene for the duration of Halo 2 and 3's lifespan, but petered out after Reach.
I personally am kind of pissed that it won't likely support community built maps built with something that isn't the cheapo ingame snapmap, which means the environments available at launch or with DLC is literally all we're getting.
>>334562863
>nobody bought sfv
>GAMERGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE
what
>>334562863
what the hell does GG have to do with SFV flopping
>>334563017
>>custom game editor: yes
>>in game map editor: yes
>max players supported by this editor's modes and maps: 4
We can't ever get good things, can we anon?
My biggest complaints.
>damage markers
>hitmarkers
>all guns are shit except the super shotty which is only mediocre
>gauss cannon is extremely overpowered and it's basically impossible to miss with it, several shots I probably should have missed since I was so far off landed and isntagibbed
>demon rune is broken as fuck and spawns far too often, a lucky team can win just by getting the rune spawn repeatedly
>perks I mean hacks are stupid in concept
>too slow
>jesus fucking christ the armor aesthetic is fucking horrible
>also the taunts are completely out of character and don't match the game's aesthetic at all
>>334563031
>>334563072
>oh no my five second buttslap I am L I T E R A L L Y genocided
>>334563126
wow
halo 3 came out in 2007 and the custom games mode supported up to 16 players on player built maps.
>>334563017
Bro, 343 has a community survey you can sign up for. They usually have it once a month, tell them (politely) to port Halo 3 to PC with full modding support like I've been doing. I can almost guarantee this will lead to absolutely nothing, but it's better than not saying anything.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/halo-community-feedback-program
>>334563150
>>damage markers
>>hitmarkers
What's wrong with these?
>>334563301
Nothing, but it discourages the developer to actually put effort into damage feedback. You don't need to make the enemy actually look like they got hit and took damage if you just pop some damage hitmarkers on the screen. It's lazy, but not inherently a bad thing.
>>334563152
You're weird, Anon.
People shit on Battlefront pre-release, but it had the advantage of being basically the only new Star Wars game that wasn't mobile garbage. Normies ate it right up.
Doom doesn't have the same brand power. Doom 3 came out almost 12 years ago. Most people don't care, and the people who do care know that this game is shit. If anything, the Bethesda name will be what sells it, but that probably won't be enough. I'm expecting mediocre sales, it'll get swept under the rug pretty much immediately.
>>334562348
Have you ? You sound like twelve year old after one match of UnrealT.
>>334563403
I hate Doom 4 but I can't really agree because if you look they actually do flinch quite a bit on hit. Try it with the plasma or lightning gun, they spaz the fuck out when they get hit with those
The real lack of damage feedback is for yourself, there's just a passive little orange arrow that fades in when you get hit. Hard to tell at a glance if it was just 1 bullet that hit you or a full SSG blast. Having no pain scream doesn't help with that at all.
>>334563557
And you can turn off the damage numbers in the options
>>334559684
>>334560818
>>334562621
Really? A dumb taunt in multiplayer triggers you guys?
It's just the fucking multiplayer.
>>334563935
Sorry for caring.
>>334551237
Sorry newfag but /v/ officially agreed a week ago that anyone who hates om Doom 4 is really just a fucking faggot who needs to an hero immediately and that includes YOU.
>>334565487
It's just a little taunt, which is fun.Stop being so autistic. At least it isn't some meme thing.
>>334563301
>>334563557
That other guy ain't me.
I don't like them because they're dumb as fuck and clash extremely hard with the game's aesthetic.
And you know what, I don't know WHAT this game's aesthetic is. It's a clusterfuck. It wants to be arcadey, it wants to be gritty and realistic, it wants to be futuristic, it wants to be tacticool but it also has smooth simplified aesthetics on many objects and especially the scenery is quite reserved (in a design sense, it's real gorey and demonic and satanic but it's not standout so) but put all this together and just.
What the fuck is the art style?
What is the design philosophy? Is this a fast paced arena shooter or a twitch arcade shooter or a visceral combat kind of game? It feels like they tried to add new in with the old and ended up with this mess of a halfway compromise with all the cons of each design choice but few of the benefits.
>>334560818
>>334562621
You guys are fags
It's stupid because it's dated, not because it's popular
>>334565617
It's tied in to what's said here >>334553074
There's clearly several gameplay elements messed up in the multiplayer to make it feel unengaging.
>>334565587
It is a meme thing though, it's the oppa gangnam dance. Remember this dreadful thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
And taunts can fit the aesthetics take tf2 for instance all the taunts fit the characters despite some being outlandish they still fit the game
Now these taunts certainly do not fit a futuristic game where Demons have invaded and there's halo tier looking armor everywhere
>>334566117
Do demons fit in a futuristic game with generic Space Marines? There's nitpicking, and there's this.
>>334566752
Yes Demons do fit in with the aesthetics since that's what the original doom was. Advanced space weapons and demons that are ripped right out of someones first thought when you say Devil
A one hit wonder short lived meme dance does not fit the aesthetics of demons invading and totally fucking up everything. You could easily have them doing the "I'm watching you" hand sign or putting their middle finger up which is something a grizzled demon fighting space marine would do not some silly little dance
